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slicknick
05-09-2007, 00:46
but Pippo misses a sitter, and I mean a sitter, and no mention is made of that...talk about fairness!! :rollani:
I'm fair... I criticize him too, lol... :zany: :zany: :zany: :5ok:
In closing...Gila is a target man...Milan likes these types of forwards, but he tends not to be mobile enough, (or it could be that he is following Carlo´s instructions positionally?)...and as a target man, he is supposed to be in the box, or close thereto, and unless he is playing against nobody from nowhere...he will be close marked...so, for me, I think its more a slow adaptation to the role he is asked to play as a single striker, than his inability.
He don't need to adapt, this is exactly the role he had in Parma, with the difference that he got more crosses to work with there as Parma played a 4-2-3-1 with him as lone striker. Gila needs confidence and form, several things I saw him do in Parma he seems nto to be able to do. His unluck in come crucial moments sure hasn't helped (Heading at the post and having a legit goal disallowed in crucial UCL games). In Parma I saw him recieve the ball in the penalty area and just turn away his defender and score. He also managed to get in shots from a lot of difficult situations.
I'd say it is a combination of lack of confidence and lack of service, because he doesn't get many good balls/crosses to work on. That said, he played really well together with ronaldo last year and I believe with Ronaldo back we may see their partnership being fruitful again.
with Ronaldo back we may see their partnership being fruitful again.
That's the $64,000 question though isn't it. Nobody seems to know when Ronaldo will be back as you get different answers from different people. Galliani says one thing, Ronaldo says another, Ancelotti has a different story and then the newspapers conjure up something else entirely.
First it was for the Sevilla match, then for Fiorentina, now for Thursday's friendly against Dynamo Kiev and i doubt any of us will be surprised if he doesn't make it. Wether it's false promises, lies or lack of knowledge on the situation, it's all getting a bit tiresome.
We have gone 2 matches into the season, and the anti-Gila camp is in full swing..yet he did well with his limited opportunities (ok the miscontrolled pass from Ambro he should have done better with) but Pippo misses a sitter, and I mean a sitter, and no mention is made of that...talk about fairness!! :rollani:
Please, there is no such thing as magi... eeee.. anti-gila camp. Many of us labeled with that are trying to support him and wish him all well, its just that we dont get much in return these days.
You know why we dont bash inzaghi. He scored one against sevilla and pulled us back on lvl terms... he scored 2 against juve... he scored 2 in finals. Where was gilardino? We got 2 trophys thanks to inzaghi's goal so complaining over him would be UNFAIR. Inzaghi's goals are not great and he misses impossible, but he is in the position to miss it, several times in a match. I am really dissapointed with his miss... but would gila even be there to tap it in? Thats the question.
On ronaldo, a read on slovenian forum that he has some psychological 'fear' problems. Its all in a mist, but i too wouldn't be surprised if we dont see him on thursday like Jim said.
...so, for me, I think its more a slow adaptation to the role he is asked to play as a single striker, than his inability.
Time though, will tell.
We have gone 2 matches into the season, and the anti-Gila camp is in full swing..yet he did well with his limited opportunities (ok the miscontrolled pass from Ambro he should have done better with) but Pippo misses a sitter, and I mean a sitter, and no mention is made of that...talk about fairness!! :rollani:
Dont want to start an argument, really, but Super Pippo has scored 59 goals in european matches, just 3 behind great Muller. He does it always when we need him, he can miss sometimes. Its like you diss Pirlo for making a wrong pass now and then.
Gila played as a solo striker at Parma and he did great. I dont know really, he needs support from fans and teammates, ok. But the team called ac milan is hurting so... Still I hope he can get his play back.
We have gone 2 matches into the season, and the anti-Gila camp is in full swing..yet he did well with his limited opportunities (ok the miscontrolled pass from Ambro he should have done better with) but Pippo misses a sitter, and I mean a sitter, and no mention is made of that...talk about fairness!! :rollani:
When Gila scores wondergoals against Ajax in the last seconds of the match that send us to the CL or scores two goals in a CL final we will cease making mention of the missed sitters....Gila has as yet had no real history of being decisive for Milan and hence no defense to shield him from such criticism....oh by the way that was a horrible miss by Super Pippo :zany:
Russo-Neri
05-09-2007, 09:20
[self delete] forget it
:wth: :wth: let me ask you something...if air was overpriced would you stop breathing?
this would make sense if there was one single football player in the world, since you compare it with something there is no alternative with.
Of course not!! Every team has to splash ever so often on an 'overpriced superstar' not because of the "overpriced" part but because of the "superstar" part :wallbang: i.e. having a difference maker amy cost you now but your investment generally pays off at the end of the season
The general meaning of the word "overpriced" is that the price is more than it is worth. So no, we should never go for a player that is overpriced. we should go for players who are worth their price, regardless whether that is a free transfer or €100M. Now if you think that Torres was not overpriced say so.
Personally I am not sure, I think there are better options.
That's the $64,000 question though isn't it. Nobody seems to know when Ronaldo will be back as you get different answers from different people. Galliani says one thing, Ronaldo says another, Ancelotti has a different story and then the newspapers conjure up something else entirely.
First it was for the Sevilla match, then for Fiorentina, now for Thursday's friendly against Dynamo Kiev and i doubt any of us will be surprised if he doesn't make it. Wether it's false promises, lies or lack of knowledge on the situation, it's all getting a bit tiresome.
I find it fully possible they talk about his return just to pump up interest in the game. Ronaldo is that big (no lame joke intended).
I find it fully possible they talk about his return just to pump up interest in the game.
Interest in Thursday's game or games in general? Either way i think you're spot on.
By constantly saying that Ronaldo should be kept back until he's fully ready to play builds the anticipation of the fans because we're all now expecting him to come back as a rampaging speeding goal machine. Especially after ludicrous comments such as 'he looks like a model now'. He keeps being dangled in front of us ( which takes a strong rope :grinser: ) and the cynic in me says it's to mask how desperate our striker situation actually is.
If I understood correctly, ronaldo is actuallčy INJURED!!?? When he comes back how can we expect him to play super football?? This is again a part of Galliani talking like we are babyes... Maybe he is fitter than last season, but he is still out injured and only when he comes back to playing he can rediscover his form during the matches he plays.
today, Carlo about Pato: " I though of playing him as a right back tommorow..."
hahahahaha.....
By constantly saying that Ronaldo should be kept back until he's fully ready to play builds the anticipation of the fans because we're all now expecting him to come back as a rampaging speeding goal machine. Especially after ludicrous comments such as 'he looks like a model now'. He keeps being dangled in front of us ( which takes a strong rope :grinser: ) and the cynic in me says it's to mask how desperate our striker situation actually is.
That is such an awesome joke!! :respect: Even as a ronaldo fan I :haha: -ed at it.....but once again I couldn't give rep :wth:
I hope Ronaldo aka superman plays tomorrow :p155:
kastriot
05-09-2007, 14:34
That is such an awesome joke!! :respect: Even as a ronaldo fan I :haha: -ed at it.....but once again I couldn't give rep :wth:
I hope Ronaldo aka superman plays tomorrow :p155:
galiani said his not ready for tomorrows game.....too bad
Ronaldo will be back Against Siena.
At least it was said by Anchelotti.
Ronaldo will be back Against Siena.
At least it was said by Anchelotti.
Like he was supposed to be back against Sevilla, back against Fiorentina and back against Dynamo Kiev. We'll just have to hope it's 4th time lucky :grinser:
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=405948
Adriano-Gilardino Swap: A Likely Outcome?
With AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani still maintaining his Adriano preoccupation, and Roberto Mancini recently stoking more fires of speculation with complimentary words for Alberto Gilardino, could the two strikers pass each other as they cross the Milan divide?
Adriano-Gilardino Swap: A Likely Outcome?
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AC Milan striker Alberto Gilardino is fast falling out of favour for both club and country, while Inter forward Adriano has problems that are only too well known, culminating in his exile from first-team affairs.
Meanwhile, rossoneri vice-president Adriano Galliani has repeatedly deemed Adriano a "champion" and a player that Milan would love to have.
What's more the nerazzurri coach Roberto Mancini recently said that Gilardino would be a player that he'd love to coach.
"We have five attackers, but he is a great player and would fit in perfectly with the players that we have," added the former Azzurri legend.
Could it be a match made in heaven for each club if they were to swap forwards?
Of course, it's all still speculation at this point. While Adriano Galliani has been busy this week telling the world that "Adriano is a player [Milan] would take any day," he has also for quite a while maintained that he does not see Inter selling the player to AC.
Even more importantly, both Galliani and coach Ancelotti have recently sung the praises of Gilardino, the former praising the striker as the "future" of the San Siro club, along with new signing Pato.
Adriano's future, though, is far less secure, with Inter's words to the player about a reconciliation perhaps only the first chapter in a story that could see the player's career at Inter either end entirely or come back to life.
It's a pure speculation, but I'd love it to happen.
MiamiMilanista
06-09-2007, 14:04
FYI to all....Pato has scored in his first half in his first friendly.... The partnership of Kaka and Pato is going to be deadly, we just need someone alongside him up front
--------Pato--------XYZ---------
--------------Kaka---------------
How about that upfront in years to come? Only problem, we need the XYZ...
hitmannq8
06-09-2007, 16:29
For me its Adriano all the way..im certain he will live up to expectations in Milan..
slicknick
06-09-2007, 16:55
we need the XYZ...
How about we give Gourcuff a chance first? If it doesn't work, fine; then we can buy Mr.XYZ
remote2book
07-09-2007, 03:26
o god i hipe there is no adriano- gila swap dat wud be terrible...
King tiger
07-09-2007, 17:28
http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=407259
zomg :|
( i know it has nothing to do with transfers but everyone will see it now :D )
Kaka--7thUCL
08-09-2007, 01:15
YO, did pato score a beauty or what! sorry havent been on in a while, but wait, is pato allowed in ucl?
Kaka--7thUCL
08-09-2007, 01:18
o god i hipe there is no adriano- gila swap dat wud be terrible...
i know, id rather ahve a useless italian or domestic player then a useless brazilian
YO, did pato score a beauty or what! sorry havent been on in a while, but wait, is pato allowed in ucl?
Sheesh he can't be registered with us till the January transfer window. So he can't play any official matches for us till January.
inter-1908
09-09-2007, 12:44
pato is really good, maybe hes not the sh!t just yet but eventually he will become a great player, its to bad he cant play right away because he could really produce alot....imagine it ronaldo, kaka, pato milan could be flying high at the top....its a silly rule that he needs to become 18 years old..does this go for every player now? they have to be 18?
ForeverMilan
09-09-2007, 15:20
-Pato is not a starlet,He is not a Gourcuff,He is already a great player.
-Liverpool would offer 18million euros for Foggia in january according to news of the world,15 M euros loss in Oliveira even if Zaragoza decides to buy him at 10 m euros,18M euros loss in Foggia,24M euros Loss in Gilardino,Galliani is so bad on the market nowadays.
@Tony29,is Secco and Blanc that stupid to offer 18m euros plus Palladino for Gila in january?i like Palladino,talented kid,i hope we accept this offer.
ForeverMilan
09-09-2007, 15:21
Sell Gila to juve in january,18m euros,with the contribution of Berlu in Summer,try for Eto'o again,Eto'o,Pato,Kaka would be awesome.
It's so early man.
I'm sure not more than 0.1% of September's rumors will come true in January.
Just read the opening 10-20 pages of this topic (written in September 2006) and you'll see how much of it came true.
Palladino+18m euro for Gila ?
:haha:
Who wrote this rumor? Galliani himself ?
ForeverMilan
09-09-2007, 15:42
i know but the source is ur newspaper,Tuttosport.
i know but the source is ur newspaper,Tuttosport.
There you go.... super proof that it won't happen :)
Juve trying to buy Gilardino isn't out of question, but since the time Trezeguet renewed his contract the interest in Gilardino wasn't as big anymore.
Trez is not even 30 yet and he's Juve's target man. If he gets injured or if he needs a rest Iaquinta can always take over his role ( for Udinese , Iaquinta did play as a striker).
Gilardino will never score as much as Trezeguet and if he comes to Juve he'll sit on the bench as Trez's replacement.
I'm not sure if Gila will be much more useful than Iaquinta and even if Juve's board thinks that Gila is better choice than Iaquinta i doubt they'll pay 18m+Palladino ( which is around 25-28m euro) for a bench player.
Also, i doubt Gila will accept the bench.
Very stupid rumor by Tuttosport....as usual.
I just read the article in Tuttosport.
There is nothing about Palladino+money for Gila.
They are talking about possible reinforcements in attack and the names of Huntelaar, Gomez and Gilardino are mentioned.
For Gilardino they say that Juve will not offer more than 18m euro even though Milan is asking for 24m E
ForeverMilan
09-09-2007, 16:44
Gilardino: ecco l'offerta della Juve. Adriano...
10:00 del 08 settembre
La Juve torna su Gilardino: pronta un'offerta di 18 milioni più Palladino.
Berlusconi rassicura il suo giocatore, ma l'attaccante del Milan può trasferirsi a Torino soprattutto a fine stagione.
Intanto all'Inter si ipotizza qualsiasi tipo di scambio con Adriano: da Ballack a Gilardino, da Riquelme ad una delle stelle del Barcellona fino ad arrivare all'opzione su Dessena e Cigarini del Parma.
(Tuttosport)
ForeverMilan
09-09-2007, 16:47
i think that Adriano-Gila swap could happen in january since Mancini wants Gila and We want Adriano and however i dont think that juve is that stupid to pay Palladino plus 18 m euros for a player like Gila,Booed and unwanted man at Milan.
What do you think about Foggia?i see him in juve or inter in few years even if Pool offers 18m euros,off course if its true.
Bosniaco
09-09-2007, 21:46
I think we should get Barnetta from Leverkusen as Kaka's replacment. Inter are trying to get all the young promising players.
When Foggia left Milan I always said that Galliani is going to regret the fact that he let Foggia go almost for free. Geeezz we paid 7.5 mil + Foggia for Oddo. So i guess Oddo costed us 25.5 mil? for a right back, great job Galliani !
hitmannq8
10-09-2007, 01:41
So if you had the chance to buy Foggia for 20m, you would take it?
ForeverMilan
10-09-2007, 07:54
if i were benitez i would buy,also considering Quaresma is valued at 40m euros by Porto.
So I would go for Rosina or Montolivo:D. Even if money didn't matter, I would always choose Rosina or Montolivo, no way Foggia.
I think quaresma is over rated, like Nani.
-Pato is not a starlet,He is not a Gourcuff,He is already a great player.
Gourcuff have one season at the highest level, Pato have half a season on the highest level, there is no significiant difference here.
18M euros loss in Foggia,
We haven't lost a penny on Foggia, he was a primavera player and we did get something for him.
24M euros Loss in Gilardino, Galliani is so bad on the market nowadays.
This makes no sense.
@Tony29,is Secco and Blanc that stupid to offer 18m euros plus Palladino for Gila in january?i like Palladino,talented kid,i hope we accept this offer.
Palladino would never get a game with us.
Graeme C
11-09-2007, 02:30
ive spoke about Quagliarella on here before, but tuttomercato yesterday said that the move couldnt be ruled out. Considering if he is available he can play in the Champ league for us.
Milan: Quagliarella a gennaio
10.09.2007 12.33 di Francesco Letizia articolo letto 9878 volte
Fonte: controcampo.mediaset.it
Il caso-Ronaldo è un tormento non da poco. Tutto il Milan è in apprensione, soprattutto pensando allo stop che s'impone: ancora un mese, poi chissà. E' appunto questo il tema: quianto dovrà stare fermo il brasiliano? Si vuole essere ottimisti, ma si deve progettare anche il futuro con la meno bella delle ipotesi, quella di una lunga sosta. Così il piano societario si sposta sull'utilizzo di Pato, dal prossimo 4 gennaio, ma anche con la necessità di un attaccante esperto da affiancare a Inzaghi, Gilardino e Kakà qualora Ronie dovesse stare fermo. Così ecco che l'idea-base, già in cantiere da due mesi, si può sviluppare.
E l'idea si chiama Fabio Quagliarella. Diventa lui il grande obiettivo del Milan per il mercato di gennaio. O meglio: l?attaccante dell?Udinese verrà tenuto sotto osservazione da qui a dicembre. Da tempo Arrigo Sacchi consiglia questo giocatore alla società rossonera. Anche pubblicamente. Fino a questo momento sembrava che il Milan non avesse tenuto conto di questa segnalazione, ma la realtà è che l?Udinese non ha voluto trattare perché aveva impostato tutta la campagna acquisti proprio sulla presenza dell?attaccante napoletano. Adesso è diverso, soprattutto in relazione agli sviluppi del caso-Ronaldo e al reintegro, a Udine, di Di Natale.
Il Milan deve capire quale sarà il domani di Ronaldo. Metterà alla prova Pato, ma senza assilli: non si può chiedere a un 18enne di essere subito un fenomeno. Quagliarella a gennaio avrà il grande vantaggio di non aver disputato nemmeno una partita nelle Coppe Europee, quindi sarà utilizzabile in Champions League nella seconda fase, quella dell?eliminazione diretta. E lì sarà un?arma letale. L?Udinese ha un punto in due partite e potrebbe essere costretta a ridimensionare un po? i suoi obiettivi, quindi potrebbe cedere Quagliarella per una cifra intorno ai 20 milioni. Il Milan ha 3 mesi e mezzo per pensarci, mica poco.
Quagliarelly is not a player for Milan, c'mon people...
Our team is so strong becouse of the players we bought few years back: Pirlo, Seedorf, ( Rui before ), Pippo, Kaka' ( one and only super player that costed 8 mln ), Nesta...
Oddo, Marek, Gila, Bonera, Kaladze are just players that play well with those brilliant players, not more. You need to understand this.
We are Milan and we are acting poorly, doesnt matter what people say about "smart buying", you simply need to spend some money sometimes.
We didnt want to invest huge money in Henry, Toni, Ribery, fine - we dont have them now. Maybe we dont need them, but please stop wanting Di Natale, Quagliarella, Amauri in Milan...
Hasan Rossonero
11-09-2007, 06:46
Quagliarelly is not a player for Milan, c'mon people...
Our team is so strong becouse of the players we bought few years back: Pirlo, Seedorf, ( Rui before ), Pippo, Kaka' ( one and only super player that costed 8 mln ), Nesta...
Oddo, Marek, Gila, Bonera, Kaladze are just players that play well with those brilliant players, not more. You need to understand this.
We are Milan and we are acting poorly, doesnt matter what people say about "smart buying", you simply need to spend some money sometimes.
We didnt want to invest huge money in Henry, Toni, Ribery, fine - we dont have them now. Maybe we dont need them, but please stop wanting Di Natale, Quagliarella, Amauri in Milan...
Quag is Milan material and then some. The guy is pure class and fits the top Milan criterion--versatility.
why on earth would we wanna buy Quag? If we wanted him, we could buy him in the summer. But nooo we are complete in forward department. In january we will have gila, pato, inzaghi, fit ronaldo and willy. The problem is how will we survive till then, but theres nothing Quag can help us on that matter. So unless we are offloading/retiring gila, pippo or ronaldo there's no need for him in january.
Warro Bantan
11-09-2007, 12:50
With this type of expenditure, as outlined in the article:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/sep11d.html
I think its rather ridiculous to bemoan our purchases, or lack thereof, when we have this huge paybill to deal with....
Yes, Berlu has tons of money, but if Milan are to be self-sufficient...then prudence in our purchases is key...
Graeme C
11-09-2007, 13:41
Quag is Milan material and then some. The guy is pure class and fits the top Milan criterion--versatility.
i completely agree, hes more Milan material than players like Oliviera and Borriello..
imagine..
--------Pato
Gorky--Kaka---Quagliarella
remote2book
11-09-2007, 15:02
another thing abt quag is that he is proven in serie A
slicknick
11-09-2007, 16:27
another thing abt quag is that he is proven in serie A
I don't mean to sound like devil's advocate, but so was Gila.. Just throwing it out there, not meant as a piece of criticism for Gila, just pointing to the fact that Serie A experience is no guarantee for success at Milan either...
Putting those cautionary comments aside, I too, would like to see Quag play for us, as I am a keen admirer of his abilities
Is he though fitting in the scheme of plans in Milan, I see him very effective in a christmas tree formation, with him being more of his natural supporting striker rather than an offensive midfielder with Kaka behind him in OM, and Gila or Pippo or Ronaldo in front, Seedorf though will have to go back a notch and push Gattuso into Ambrosini's place or just put Seedorf on the bench, but I think that would be a less effective Milan midfield
Graeme C
12-09-2007, 06:34
but with squad rotation we would fine space. He could even push wide or need the extra pace in the last 30 mins of some games.
He did say though he hates playing wide ;)
kastriot
12-09-2007, 09:21
i completely agree, hes more Milan material than players like Oliviera and Borriello..
imagine..
--------Pato
Gorky--Kaka---Quagliarella
WOW.
I never though of this...but I really like this formation, In couple of years with Kaka being at the top of his form, and these three having gained enough experience, this can result in our Fantastic Four.
I `d only add Modric behind these four....and I think we are covered for a decade. :respect:
come on guys you can't be serious about quagliarella. he is surely a good player and may have a bright future but he has only played one good season in serie a. he is absolutely not ready for milan. we don't want wo become a club like inter who burns good players and destroys their careers.
come on guys you can't be serious about quagliarella. he is surely a good player and may have a bright future but he has only played one good season in serie a. he is absolutely not ready for milan. we don't want wo become a club like inter who burns good players and destroys their careers.
Completely agree.
i completely agree, hes more Milan material than players like Oliviera and Borriello..
imagine..
--------Pato
Gorky--Kaka---Quagliarella
I don't like this information. I want to have a true ST like Toni, Gilardino, Huntelaar on the front. too much dribbling, well passing but no one will score :grinser:
i completely agree, hes more Milan material than players like Oliviera and Borriello..
imagine..
--------Pato
Gorky--Kaka---Quagliarella
Interesting thought would been having Foggia still, instead of Quagliarella.
yinkadearemu
13-09-2007, 06:38
Portsmouth striker Nwankwo Kanu is a shock target for AC Milan.
As fitness concerns persist over Brazil star Ronaldo, Milan chiefs are drawing up a list of alternative targets for the winter market.
Among the names is Nigeria international Kanu, says Il Giornale, a favourite of Milan transfers chief Ariedo Braida.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=56611
i think i will like 2 see kanu in milan.
2 things -
1 - Mentioning Tribalfootball is banned from Milanmania, it comes under Rule 7, and
2 - If you have information about a player being related to us then you should use the Winter thread.
I don't like this information. I want to have a true ST like Toni, Gilardino, Huntelaar on the front. too much dribbling, well passing but no one will score
Agree completely. There's not a heavy goalscorer up front to finish all the chances those players are likely to create.
I'd like to see Barzagli becoming a Rossoneri, our defence isn't getting younger, we should think about the future and a retirement of Favallinho ;-).
Graeme C
13-09-2007, 13:31
i like barzagli but to be honest if were really thinking about the future then players like Chiellini and Criscito have to be considered.. If Darmian keeps playing the way he does he could be added to the list.
Barzagli is 26, and is getting to the point where hes ready to play for a big side in Italy.
AC Milan eyeing Sevilla striker Kanoute
AC Milan are considering making a move for Sevilla striker Fredi Kanoute, according to reports.
The chiefs at the Serie A club are concerned over the long-term fitness of Brazilian striker Ronaldo and are eyeing Mali ace Kanoute.
It is believed Kanoute would be keen on a move to the Champions League winner
http://www.ontheminute.com/news/news.php?news=7948
i like barzagli but to be honest if were really thinking about the future then players like Chiellini and Criscito have to be considered.. If Darmian keeps playing the way he does he could be added to the list.
Barzagli is 26, and is getting to the point where hes ready to play for a big side in Italy.
Barzagli was pretty crap last year, with just some few good performances. Seemingly he have looked better this year, but it is not many games far into the season.
on the other hand, Marzoratti which I wasn't impressed by last year have begun this season really well. He is owned by us and I can see plenty of more room to improve compared to Barzagli. Lets hope he keeps it up.
Chiellini and Criscito was outclassed against Cagliari. ;)
ForeverMilan
13-09-2007, 16:34
===================Dida======================
=Oddo========Nesta========Kaladze/Mexes====Lahm==
=====Gattuso/Emerson==Pirlo/Gorky====Seedorf/Kalstroem=
=================Ribery=======================
===========Kaka==========Pato/Ronaldo===========
During Summer Mercato i wanted milan to sign Ribery,Kalstroem and Ribery as well,off course Pato is a great signing for us,so does Emerson also considering we lacked a DM like him for always.Serginho was out of all of last season,yet Milan would have liked to believe in Serginho,they even doesnt think about signing a first class LWB.
Berlusconi didnt want Ribery,if we sign these 3 player we would be able to win dominate the europe in the coming years.
Kaka--7thUCL
13-09-2007, 18:20
ZAMBROTTA IS AWESOME! IF WE HAD HIM INSTEAD OF JANKU AND COMPANY WE'D EASILY TEAR UP ANY TEAM.. I also think we should look into Aquilani (excuse my spelling) and Barone, and then bring it a big name signing in the summer such as Ronaldinho,Eto'o, etc.. Also, I think perfect opportunity to get sheva (if he isn't cup tied) is in January if he's having another poor season. Another idea player would be that Ukranian guy he had a pony tail yesterday and looked kind of chubby? He has sick cross and awesome skill in taking out 3-4 players and giving a return pass. Another idea player, Diego, and my final two players, Landreau/Amelia and possibly another striker or CB like Thuram or for striker Villa or whatever, and I do expect our squad to have class players in every position I just mentioned and those players better be at the same level as these players, becasue in our current stage, with aging players, and a weak attack, we could definitely use these players, also I think if Henry has a tough season at barca summer mercato is perfect time to jump on it, and from a few posts ago I wouldnt want kanoute dead.
And ForeverMilan, Lahm isn't neccasary and we let Ribery go, but he's nothing that we can't find a better player for, Kalstrom isn't a worthy replacement for seedorf imo, and wen it comes time to replace him, it should be another amazing player, and Mexes I agree with but theres a lot better out there.
they even doesnt think about signing a first class LWB.
we have a first class LWB.
Kaka--7thUCL
13-09-2007, 23:15
not exactly..
Kaka--7thUCL
13-09-2007, 23:16
I'll stop watching milan if they buy this stick with legs. :w154: :str:
-----------------------Dida----------------------
-*Zambrotta*-----Nesta-------Kaladze-----Janku-
-----Gattuso/Emerson--Pirlo--Ambrosini/Gourcuff---
--------------Kaka-----------Seedorf------------
--------------------Pato/Ronaldo-----------------
dreamteam!
slicknick
14-09-2007, 04:35
AC Milan eyeing Sevilla striker Kanoute
AC Milan are considering making a move for Sevilla striker Fredi Kanoute, according to reports.
The chiefs at the Serie A club are concerned over the long-term fitness of Brazilian striker Ronaldo and are eyeing Mali ace Kanoute.
It is believed Kanoute would be keen on a move to the Champions League winner
http://www.ontheminute.com/news/news.php?news=7948
I seriously would welcome the idea of bringing Kanoute to Milan. Granted, he could only be a short-term investment (for a year or two, as he is 30) but he can certainly add the much-needed depth in the striking position, and can unload some of the burden on top of Izaghi, Gila, Ronaldo and Pato(when he becomes available, of course)
i think next summer we will see grimi, marzoratti and pozzi come back to us.
grimi had a great start this season and is a regular for siena at left back.
grimi had a great start this season and is a regular for siena at left back.
and they conceded 5 goals in just 2 matches.
pretty solid defense huh :respect:
football is a team sport. in both games grimi was rated 6,5 and was among the best of his team.
if he can maintain this performance i expect him to replace favalli nest summer.
Hasan Rossonero
14-09-2007, 10:54
ZAMBROTTA IS AWESOME! IF WE HAD HIM INSTEAD OF JANKU AND COMPANY WE'D EASILY TEAR UP ANY TEAM.. I also think we should look into Aquilani (excuse my spelling) and Barone, and then bring it a big name signing in the summer such as Ronaldinho,Eto'o, etc.. Also, I think perfect opportunity to get sheva (if he isn't cup tied) is in January if he's having another poor season. Another idea player would be that Ukranian guy he had a pony tail yesterday and looked kind of chubby? He has sick cross and awesome skill in taking out 3-4 players and giving a return pass. Another idea player, Diego, and my final two players, Landreau/Amelia and possibly another striker or CB like Thuram or for striker Villa or whatever, and I do expect our squad to have class players in every position I just mentioned and those players better be at the same level as these players, becasue in our current stage, with aging players, and a weak attack, we could definitely use these players, also I think if Henry has a tough season at barca summer mercato is perfect time to jump on it, and from a few posts ago I wouldnt want kanoute dead.
And ForeverMilan, Lahm isn't neccasary and we let Ribery go, but he's nothing that we can't find a better player for, Kalstrom isn't a worthy replacement for seedorf imo, and wen it comes time to replace him, it should be another amazing player, and Mexes I agree with but theres a lot better out there.
Good day on Football Manager then?
Warro Bantan
14-09-2007, 12:23
While I like Kanoute...(spelling?)...I think he is a bit too injury prone himself, to serve as reliable cover for anyone...and would he accept the bench?
kastriot
14-09-2007, 13:13
Good day on Football Manager then?
:grinser: :grinser: Thats hilarious
slicknick
14-09-2007, 13:19
Kanoute...(spelling?)...
That's correct ;)
While I like Kanoute...(spelling?)...I think he is a bit too injury prone himself, to serve as reliable cover for anyone...and would he accept the bench?
Also with the fact that we are going to deal with Sevilla, it is really hard doing transfers with them as they rarely let their players go. Just ask Chelsea about the whole Alves business.
Kaka--7thUCL
15-09-2007, 00:19
Good day on Football Manager then?
Lol I suppose you could say that :grinser: main point, kanoute sucks.
thomas_h
15-09-2007, 03:45
anyone know about ever banega ? is he a future potential ? maybe milan must get him for future milan . . .
Lol I suppose you could say that :grinser: main point, kanoute sucks.
I disagree Kanoute is a very solid and sometimes brilliant striker.....if you saw him in West Ham he was very very good!! :5ok:
I disagree Kanoute is a very solid and sometimes brilliant striker.....if you saw him in West Ham he was very very good!! :5ok:
And in Tottenham he was good with great goals credited to his name :bri:
I just want to LOL at Zlat's prediction of Sneijder. The kid scored again yesterday.
Hey there buddy, take a break from studying. We all know you'll get the highest grades anyway. :)
Graeme C
16-09-2007, 10:17
I disagree Kanoute is a very solid and sometimes brilliant striker.....if you saw him in West Ham he was very very good!! :5ok:
You guys want Kanoute but not Quagliarella? i dont get it...
A finisher, which is what Milan lacks at the moment ;)
I just want to LOL at Zlat's prediction of Sneijder. The kid scored again yesterday.
Hey there buddy, take a break from studying. We all know you'll get the highest grades anyway. :)
Some of us "LOLed" at it the whole time...
"Oh but you know he is not proven player..." :D and?
I think we should try to sign Andrei Kirilenko to bolster our defense :D
Some of us "LOLed" at it the whole time...
"Oh but you know he is not proven player..." :D and?
I think we should try to sign Andrei Kirilenko to bolster our defense :D
And Khryapa also. To intercept passes :D
Great match Russia. I'm so glad they won
_MaJi_tz
16-09-2007, 17:56
***** spain
AK47 KING
And Khryapa also. To intercept passes :D
Great match Russia. I'm so glad they won
I bet I know why :grinser:
Kaka--7thUCL
16-09-2007, 23:45
HOly jesus! Making a premiere 3 team in germany is 50x harder then in canada! I finally got into one haven't been posting much, but all I'm going to say is, however milan played vs siena cus i havent watched it must've been bad.
Kaka--7thUCL
16-09-2007, 23:48
I disagree Kanoute is a very solid and sometimes brilliant striker.....if you saw him in West Ham he was very very good!! :5ok:
Well, he definitely scores.. But what worrys me is I truely think the only players that are worthy of milan (strikers etc.) are players who you see making the differense when facing milan, and Di Natali would've been our best buy in who knows how long if we got him.
milanfan22
17-09-2007, 01:22
I just want to LOL at Zlat's prediction of Sneijder. The kid scored again yesterday.
Hey there buddy, take a break from studying. We all know you'll get the highest grades anyway. :)
Sneijder's on a tear right now.
Gabriel489
17-09-2007, 04:41
Well, the thing is that sometime it is just luck that a player will do well in Milan.
Look at Kaka, no European or true international exp and see how he is doing the moment he was in Milan.
Then there was Sheva, who did not have any Series A exp and played great.
Pirlo is another interesting player, he did played in Series A, but I don't think he was a dominating force, just a squad player in a lot of people's eyes with a lot of potential. And then in Milan he becomes a superstar, well, the position change did help alot.
On the other side, there is Janku, proven player in Series A, one of the best Left side player at that time and he never did perform to that level once in Milan.
Then there is Gila, who was a killer, but once he came to Milan he just became a sleeper.
Well, I guess luck does play a role in players development. Another thing is that, lets say Milan signed Snejider this past summer. I doubt he would even have half the success he is having at Real, as he won't be able to hold down a starting spot.
On the other side, there is Janku, proven player in Series A, one of the best Left side player at that time and he never did perform to that level once in Milan.
Jankulovski have been good with us, no doubt about it.
i think next summer we will see grimi, marzoratti and pozzi come back to us.
grimi had a great start this season and is a regular for siena at left back.
We can always hope. Grimi is hard to evaluate, the way he plays with Siena would be completly different to the role he would get with us. Still, I guess he have the best chance of coming back.
Marzoratti is hard to know, I thought he was good the first two games this season, but the third he was on the bench. We have several promising defenders coming up...
Pozzi. I doubt it, we sold 50% of him to Empoli, he hardly ever scores and doesn't really show anything meaning he will come back. Only thing I noticed is that he have bulked up quite a bit. I see a higher possbility in us seeing Marti back.
hishamilan
17-09-2007, 07:52
hi guys!!!!!
" MILAN are heading for flamingo's young WINGER marcelo after the success of pato "
" quarisma SMF a target for many clubs in jan : liverpool , manu , inter , milan "
is ancelotti changing his play style after the nearly overaging group which makes our current formation alive ???????
Marcelo doesn't have Eu-passport. We can't sign him this year.
Jankulovski have been good with us, no doubt about it.
We can always hope. Grimi is hard to evaluate, the way he plays with Siena would be completly different to the role he would get with us. Still, I guess he have the best chance of coming back.
Marzoratti is hard to know, I thought he was good the first two games this season, but the third he was on the bench. We have several promising defenders coming up...
Pozzi. I doubt it, we sold 50% of him to Empoli, he hardly ever scores and doesn't really show anything meaning he will come back. Only thing I noticed is that he have bulked up quite a bit. I see a higher possbility in us seeing Marti back.
interesting. i have not seen grimi this season. just read his marks + the comment in the papers. how does he play for them?
marzoratti is nothing spectacular so far but i think he is good enough to replace simic. he played half the games for empoli last season and i think he can top that this season.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/serie_a_2007/giocatori/marzoratti_lin.shtml
pozzi's record also looks good.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/serie_a_2007/giocatori/pozzi_nic.shtml
he had a great run at the end of last season. i'm a bit disappointed to see him on the bench again.
we'll have to wait how things unfold this season i guess.
i didn't know matri still belongs to us.
Gabriel489
17-09-2007, 10:49
What I was saying is that Janku is not a the level that he once was before he joined Milan.
He is playing well, but he was superb right before he came.
imho the same applies to oddo who was superb for lazio. at least the first half of last season.
i think the difference is the role both players had in their former clubs. oddo was their captain converted free kicks and penalties and was a focal point of lazio's game. janku played in midfield and had less defensive duties.
hitmannq8
17-09-2007, 14:15
It would be nice for us to be going for Marcelo, but where did you get that information from? And what happened to the two youngsters on trial?
Marcelo is a Real Madrid player...so it's not happening :)
Marcelo and Quarisma? unsure about the source. but the idea is intrigueing.
Brasilian wingback is always realdeal,The kid's play remind me a young cafu.Quarisma evolve alot since he back to porto;Speed is ever a asset unable to be overlooked,when the player is willing and able to integrate into the team system.we use two attacking MD,speedy winger can be a valuable option.
The difficult part is they both unproven in serieA ,But since we have faith on gorky and pato,why not two more? they can fill up weakspots of our team, bulk up our arsenal ,offer various tactic choices. Especially after the draw at siena ,we shall feel a little bit more possibility of that kind.
As much as I see Marcelo is playing for RM...so he didn't go on loan to Fluminese as was reported
Kaka--7thUCL
18-09-2007, 23:33
Kaka > every player ever to exsist. We don't need attack we need wingers.
Warro Bantan
20-09-2007, 14:15
With the departure of the "Special One" from Chelski...what will happen to thier expensively assembled squad come the January window?
Will Drogba leave? Will $heva become a "player-manager"? Will Joe Cole arrive in Milan? :grinser:
I think the departure of the Portugese manager will result in some dismantling of the side, and I hope Milan can benefit, even if the only player I would take from them, Essien, would find it difficult to get a starting place on our team...:D
It's a mouth-watering prospect but in this case Chelsea is not like Juve. They don't lack of money. So except if the player himself asks to be put on the transfer list, I doubt that Roman will let somebody leave easily nor cheaply
hitmannq8
20-09-2007, 16:32
Milan and Real being linked with Ballack after Mourinho's departure. Ballack is a player like Baptista, and is european, and might come cheap, and is NOT cup-tied. Hmmmm? ;)
A fight with Juve and Inter? And he would probably be the same position as either Seedorf and Kaka, you don't need him at all, especially with Pato in the pic and he is verstile
With the departure of the "Special One" from Chelski...what will happen to thier expensively assembled squad come the January window?
Will Drogba leave? Will $heva become a "player-manager"? Will Joe Cole arrive in Milan? :grinser:
I think the departure of the Portugese manager will result in some dismantling of the side, and I hope Milan can benefit, even if the only player I would take from them, Essien, would find it difficult to get a starting place on our team...:D
I would go for Essien and Cech, the latter is much more important.
It's a mouth-watering prospect but in this case Chelsea is not like Juve. They don't lack of money. So except if the player himself asks to be put on the transfer list, I doubt that Roman will let somebody leave easily nor cheaply
Exactly. I would like Alex, I think there's a chance they would let him leave.
Long time till January.We'll have to see who are the players the new manager counts on and who are the ones who'll find themselves on transfer list.
But frankly, no matter who takes over Chelsea, i really doubt he'd like to get rid of Essien or Cech, even Alex.
imho the same applies to oddo who was superb for lazio. at least the first half of last season.
i think the difference is the role both players had in their former clubs. oddo was their captain converted free kicks and penalties and was a focal point of lazio's game. janku played in midfield and had less defensive duties.
Exactly they both have more defensive responsibilities and have adapted brilliantly. I really don't understand why some people on this forum give them a hard time, they're two of the best fullbacks in the World.
Kaka--7thUCL
21-09-2007, 00:31
Milan and Real being linked with Ballack after Mourinho's departure. Ballack is a player like Baptista, and is european, and might come cheap, and is NOT cup-tied. Hmmmm? ;)
I'd like that. But as far as I know we only need wingers, attack is no problem, once again i'll say this, we have kaka', he could've played benfica by himself :5ok:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EuRXHGW_WdM
slicknick
21-09-2007, 02:59
With the departure of the "Special One" from Chelski...what will happen to thier expensively assembled squad come the January window?
Will Drogba leave? Will $heva become a "player-manager"? Will Joe Cole arrive in Milan? :grinser:
I think the departure of the Portugese manager will result in some dismantling of the side, and I hope Milan can benefit, even if the only player I would take from them, Essien, would find it difficult to get a starting place on our team...:D
Essien would be good, but I would absolutely LOVE Cech and Alex...
Though there will be SOME dismantling, I doubt they will be selling their key players, as Roman would certainly not welcome that... But we can keep dreaming until the silly season commences, only to find out that it is nigh on impossible for players like Cech, Essien, Drogba, Terry, Lampard, Cole and Alex to leave Chelski...
I think the depratures would be mostly limited with the unsettled players, such as Ballack, Shevchenko and what not...So perhaps, Milan can make a move for those players...
I still fail to see what is so special about Alex. He, Ballack & Shevchenko are definately players we should stay away from.
Long time till January.We'll have to see who are the players the new manager counts on and who are the ones who'll find themselves on transfer list.
But frankly, no matter who takes over Chelsea, i really doubt he'd like to get rid of Essien or Cech, even Alex.
I know what you mean about the new manager not letting any of the big players go, but if the players feel like they want to leave then can Chelsea stop them?. Below is just one of the articles that are out today talking about some of the players:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7006084.stm
I know we were interested in Drogba highly over the summer, does anyone know if he would take the non-eu spot? I know he played in France for some time, maybe he has some kind of citizenship.
Arildonardo
21-09-2007, 06:11
Let's get Cech, Terry (or Carvalho), Malouda and Drogba and we'll be fine. :5ok:
savage_mau
21-09-2007, 07:45
From all the player they have we really really need Cech to replace dida.
I still fail to see what is so special about Alex.
well there are quite a few good things about him.
1) ancelotti likes him. i remember an interview (end of last season) where he stated that he thinks alex is among the top 5 defenders right now. kaladze was not among his favourites.
2) he is young (25) but already tested and experienced at the highest level (cl).
3) he is brazilian. whether we like it or not this is becoming increasingly important if you wanna succeed with milan.
4) strong at set pieces and high balls
5) nearly indestructible
apart from that many people (including me) think that he is a heck of a defender and that there is a reason they call him the tank.
Kaka1899
21-09-2007, 10:12
It's a mouth-watering prospect but in this case Chelsea is not like Juve. They don't lack of money. So except if the player himself asks to be put on the transfer list, I doubt that Roman will let somebody leave easily nor cheaply
Drogba,Malouda and Carvalho have all asked to leave it says in todays paper it also says drogba broke into tears when Mourinho spoke to him for the last time.
Stezagud
21-09-2007, 12:19
In an ideal world Milan would poach Drogba, Essien, Terry and Cech, they are the spine of the Chelsea side and all would add something extra to Milan.
Of course though, this aint an ideal world and Abramovich still holds all the cards, he *may* be forced to let Drogba go as he is a moody player who could sulk his way out of the club.
well there are quite a few good things about him.
1) ancelotti likes him. i remember an interview (end of last season) where he stated that he thinks alex is among the top 5 defenders right now. kaladze was not among his favourites.
2) he is young (25) but already tested and experienced at the highest level (cl).
3) he is brazilian. whether we like it or not this is becoming increasingly important if you wanna succeed with milan.
4) strong at set pieces and high balls
5) nearly indestructible
apart from that many people (including me) think that he is a heck of a defender and that there is a reason they call him the tank.
Ancelotti also liked Ribery, Abidal, Toni, Ronaldinho, Totti & Gerrard but i don't see any of them here either. So point 1 is irrelevant really.
He is young at 25? That's debatable. Plus he's hardly tested at the highest level as you say. He played in a poor league and has looked out of his comfort zone in some of the CL games. The matches he's played for Chelsea he's looked decidely average. I don't see him as being any better than Kaladze right now.
His nationality has nothing to do with it
You're right, he is strong and good at set pieces/free kicks. But there's also another explanation why he's called the 'Tank', because he's slow and fat!
It may surprise you to learn that i think he could be a good defender, however there are alot of other players better than him that we should look at first.
Also, would Malouda really ask for a transfer already? I don't think so.
MiamiMilanista
21-09-2007, 12:57
Let's remember everyone, just because Mourinho left, doesnt mean the Chelsea club is going under. I don't foresee them having a full "fire sale" occurring in January. One player, at most two, MAY leave the club. We have a lot of competitions to take care of before Jan 1 (Serie A, Champion's League, World Club Championship). If we dont stay competitive with what we have already, our signings in January wont mean a thing for this 07-08 season....
In an ideal world Milan would poach Drogba, Essien, Terry and Cech, they are the spine of the Chelsea side and all would add something extra to Milan.
Of course though, this aint an ideal world and Abramovich still holds all the cards, he *may* be forced to let Drogba go as he is a moody player who could sulk his way out of the club.
That's exactly why Roman won't let them go, at least not without a fight. This man desperately want to win the UCL, and win it with style. Mourinho brought 2 EPL titles after such a long long draught. It means that this squad does have something to be proud of, something good enough from where to build a more attacking-minded team that suits Roman's expectation.
But we talk here like that they're relegated or something, so we can lure out Terry cs easily. Even the Old Lady wasn't that generous, at least not to us.
All in all, perhaps Roman acted a little bit too hastily, but he's not that stupid. You don't become one of the richest men in the world that way. Just wait patiently what the new manager (Avant garde or some thing like that) can do in 2 or 3 months to come then we'll see what we can do
ACMILAN1983
21-09-2007, 13:12
He is young at 25? That's debatable. Plus he's hardly tested at the highest level as you say. He played in a poor league and has looked out of his comfort zone in some of the CL games. The matches he's played for Chelsea he's looked decidely average. I don't see him as being any better than Kaladze right now.
25 is really young for a defender, especially when you consider Bonera at 27 is still considered pretty young. Alex has done really well over the past 3-4 years at PSV (where he was playing regularly in CL), and certainly a potentially top class defender (bear in mind he was a player who pretty much completely dominated Sheva when he was pretty much at his best).
Considering what the situation at Chelsea has been like since Alex joined, I don't really think it's fair to regard it as being key to his ability.
When i had an argument with Zlatanov about Huntelaar, he beasically said that his performances in the dutch league don't mean much as it's a poor league. So using his logic, we can dismiss any decent performances Alex has had in Holland.
As for the CL, i don't think you can say he's been that consistent, he may have shut out Shevchenko but he also got made a complete fool of by Henry & Arsenal in the first leg of their tie last season (though he made up for it with a goal in the 2nd leg) and he was run ragged by Dirk Kuyt when they played Liverpool. Dirk's hardly the fastest player is he.
I just don't think he's anything to rave about yet.
slicknick
21-09-2007, 14:09
II know we were interested in Drogba highly over the summer, does anyone know if he would take the non-eu spot? I know he played in France for some time, maybe he has some kind of citizenship.
FYI, he DOES hold a French passport, so that's a yes
slicknick
21-09-2007, 14:10
Considering what the situation at Chelsea has been like since Alex joined, I don't really think it's fair to regard it as being key to his ability.
I second that
Brasileiro
21-09-2007, 16:15
[QUOTE=Jim_UK]Ancelotti also liked Ribery, Abidal, Toni, Ronaldinho, Totti & Gerrard but i don't see any of them here either. So point 1 is irrelevant really.
He is young at 25? That's debatable. Plus he's hardly tested at the highest level as you say. He played in a poor league and has looked out of his comfort zone in some of the CL games.
Wow, my friend...harsh(and unfair) words against my boy Alex :)
He´s hardly tested at hights level?? Be fair, Jim...Alex played 3 champions league, and always perform at a high level. In the first year(we face PSV in that semi´s) Alex was put in the top-5 defender pool by UEFA.com...an acomplishment for an brazilian defender in the first year in Europe. This year he was chose for the first-11 for the majority of football sites(Alex and Carvalho). And that playing for a team out of the big-3 leagues(Italy, England or Spain)
Sorry, but it´s not true that Alex has looked out of the confort zone in some of CL games. The only one that I remember was that against Liverpool(you saw) and you know that Alex was with a flu(and fever). Plus, he´s performance wasn´t poor, but also not great as always. And that was one game...just one game.
The matches he's played for Chelsea he's looked decidely average. I don't see him as being any better than Kaladze right now.
His nationality has nothing to do with it
I really doubt that you hate Alex because he´s a brazilian defender, but I can´t remember you so angry about an player...
Jim, after read this words, I´m now sure that you´re a Alex hater :grinser:
To say that Alex looked decidely average in the matches played for Chelsea isn´t fair, Jim... Nothing, I said NOTHING passed for Alex in those games.
Even a Alex´s fan like me, was worried by the start of the season for 2 reasons.
1- He accept to go for a club were the coach didn´t want him.
2- He didn´t have a pre-season or friendlyes(sp?) to be eased to EPL and the team.
With Carvalho injure, Alex was throw to the team in a moment of crisis, and without any problem conquered the confidence of Mourinho and fans with his flawless game(until now, one own goal will come, it´s an Alex trend :grinser: ). And it´s was a surprise even for me, as I was with the expectation of some adaptations problems).
For the ones that want to see without bias(mine and of Jim :) ) , just download Chelsea 3 most recent games, and you guys will see that Drogba in the first, and Terry in the game against Rosemborg, had been the ones that had failed in Chelsea received goals.
BTW, don´t put Alex and Kaladze in the same league...Kaladze is a good player, but Alex is in another level.
Look, even Carlo Ancelotti, a Italian coach(of the famous land of the BEST defenders)that is working day in day out with 2 legends italians CB, praises Alex and put him as the Nº 1:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2007/03_Marzo/22/ancelotti.shtml
Il miglior difensore?
"Nessun dubbio: Alex del Psv"
You're right, he is strong and good at set pieces/free kicks. But there's also another explanation why he's called the 'Tank', because he's slow and fat!
It may surprise you to learn that i think he could be a good defender, however there are alot of other players better than him that we should look at first.
Alex has a slow first-step, no doubt...but the guy is fast, really FAST!
And...Fat?? I want to be fat like that :)
I don't hate him, i just don't think he's done anything worth all the praise people have for him. :dontkn:
Come on people what are you talking about, Alex is a fantastic player that has played so many great matches in the last few seasons. For me there is no doubt about his quality, he is a super player!
Kaka--7thUCL
21-09-2007, 16:42
In january if milan doesn't hop on chelsea i'll be disappointed. We need cech,terry,carvalho,drogba,ballack,alex. Instead of r10 aye? :respect:
Brasileiro
21-09-2007, 17:21
I don't hate him, i just don't think he's done anything worth all the praise people have for him. :dontkn:
Jim, the "hate thing" was just a provocation as I point out with some emotions, don´t worry :pp20:
Kaka--7thUCL
21-09-2007, 17:55
From all the player they have we really really need Cech to replace dida.
agreed... :5ok:
Blacktop
21-09-2007, 23:28
From all the player they have we really really need Cech to replace dida.
Dream on...
Kaka--7thUCL
21-09-2007, 23:59
Dream on meaning Dida is better or that Cech won't be sold to us? Either way I agree with you half half on each, dida is good if you look at his record each season, but his mistakes are vital.. And on Cech, he probably wont come, but theres always offering a crap load of money for im'
Blacktop
22-09-2007, 04:52
And on Cech, he probably wont come, but theres always offering a crap load of money for him
Assuming we won't burn it all on Ronaldinho first.
jim, I'm with you on Alex : )
Cech would be my dream signing...forget Dinho :)
ForeverMilan
22-09-2007, 06:45
What about Banega?anyone could give me some information about him?
Today's La Gazzetta,Milan offered 10million euros for Banega and however Braida rates him so high.
_MaJi_tz
22-09-2007, 06:49
Éver Banega (born June 29, 1988 in Rosario, Santa Fe) is an Argentine professional footballer currently playing for Boca Juniors.
Banega came through the youth ranks at Boca Juniors and it was not until he moved to the first team that he won international recognition, thanks to his impressive passing average and his excellent performances in the local league. After Boca midfielder Fernando Gago moved to Real Madrid, Banega was named as his successor despite his young age[1].
He made his professional debut in the 4-0 victory against Banfield on February 10, 2007. On April 2, 2007, just a few matches after making his debut, he was given an ovation when he left the field[2]
Banega helped the Under-20 National Team to win the 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup in Canada. [
Éver Banega
Personal information
Full name Éver Maximiliano David Banega
Date of birth June 29, 1988 (1988-06-29) (age 19)
Place of birth Rosario, Argentina
Height 1.74 m (5 ft 8+1⁄2 in)
Playing position Midfielder
Hasan Rossonero
22-09-2007, 07:12
From all the player they have we really really need Cech to replace dida.
Any goalkeeper who can do basic goalkeeper things will be fine for me as a replacement.
ForeverMilan
22-09-2007, 10:27
Maji thanks for the info.
However,what kind of DM he is?Vice Pirlo? or vice Gattuso? or Vice Emerson?(a wall in midfield)?
Any goalkeeper who can do basic goalkeeper things will be fine for me as a replacement.
Storari is able to do that, but he's gone though :respect:
zlatanov
22-09-2007, 10:42
Maji thanks for the info.
However,what kind of DM he is?Vice Pirlo? or vice Gattuso? or Vice Emerson?(a wall in midfield)?
I'd say he is a mix of Pirlo and Gattuso ... kind of reminds me of Redondo :)
IMO, Banega is one of the most promising rising stars in football and was probably the MVP of the recent U-20 World Cup, although for a player in his position it's easy NOT to get the credit he deserves as it's usually attacking players, like Aguero, who steal the show.
btw, did you read that Milan is making a move for him in the gazzetta newspaper or what?
P.S. let me start the countdown till Inter joins the hunt for Banega - 5
:grinser:
thomas_h
22-09-2007, 11:01
where do you read about Milan->Banega ? That`s a great news ................................. Future Milan -> Pato, Gourcuff, Di Gennaro, Grimi, Aubameyang brothers, Darmian and of course Kaka & Gilardino, . . . . . . Banega ??
savage_mau
22-09-2007, 12:18
Any goalkeeper who can do basic goalkeeper things will be fine for me as a replacement.
For me Cech is the in the world along side buffon and casillas even in his younger age. From our forward , midfiled and defender at least we still have player that we can count on but dida really had been poor. A stupit goal that he let in will sometimes cost us the game or a championship. We should sign Cech even at 20 - 25 million.
ForeverMilan
22-09-2007, 12:19
I'd say he is a mix of Pirlo and Gattuso ... kind of reminds me of Redondo :)
IMO, Banega is one of the most promising rising stars in football and was probably the MVP of the recent U-20 World Cup, although for a player in his position it's easy NOT to get the credit he deserves as it's usually attacking players, like Aguero, who steal the show.
btw, did you read that Milan is making a move for him in the gazzetta newspaper or what?
P.S. let me start the countdown till Inter joins the hunt for Banega - 5
:grinser:
A dicembre non
sarà più presidente del
Boca Juniors, ma
diventerà ufficialmente
sindaco di Buenos
Aires. «Solo una
coincidenza di tempi,
dopo 12 anni è il
momento di dire
basta». Mauricio Macri
(nella foto Ap) è
soprannominato il
Berlusconi
d’Argentina. «Ognuno
è diverso, diciamo che
ho sempre cercato di
dimostrare di capire
un po’ più di calcio.
Fra poco vedremo in
politica...». Macri, in
visita politica a Roma
(ieri ha visto anche
Prodi) parla anche dei
calciatori che prima o
poi lasceranno il suo
Boca «Il primo è Ever
Banega, l’avete visto
nel Mondiale sub 20?
Un centrocampista
alla Gattuso, ma con
più fantasia. Piace
molto a Braida...Il
Milan mi ha offerto 10
milioni di euro, ma ho
detto che non se ne
parla. Anche perché
ha 19 anni...»
Source:La Gazzetta
A dicembre non
sarà più presidente del
Boca Juniors, ma
diventerà ufficialmente
sindaco di Buenos
Aires. «Solo una
coincidenza di tempi,
dopo 12 anni è il
momento di dire
basta». Mauricio Macri
(nella foto Ap) è
soprannominato il
Berlusconi
d’Argentina. «Ognuno
è diverso, diciamo che
ho sempre cercato di
dimostrare di capire
un po’ più di calcio.
Fra poco vedremo in
politica...». Macri, in
visita politica a Roma
(ieri ha visto anche
Prodi) parla anche dei
calciatori che prima o
poi lasceranno il suo
Boca «Il primo è Ever
Banega, l’avete visto
nel Mondiale sub 20?
Un centrocampista
alla Gattuso, ma con
più fantasia. Piace
molto a Braida...Il
Milan mi ha offerto 10
milioni di euro, ma ho
detto che non se ne
parla. Anche perché
ha 19 anni...»
Source:La Gazzetta
some kind of translation please
Blacktop
22-09-2007, 12:37
The above article is about Boca Juniors president Mauricio Macri leaving the club after 12 years to become (or run for) mayor of Buenos Aires (he's nicknamed the "Berlusconi of Argentina"), and that this Banega guy is a midfielder like Gattuso.
Storari is able to do that, but he's gone though :respect:
Like conceding seven goals in the three matches he played for us?
slicknick
22-09-2007, 13:20
Future Milan -> Pato, Gourcuff, Di Gennaro, Grimi, Aubameyang brothers, Darmian and of course Kaka & Gilardino, . . . . . . Banega ??
Albertazzi as well ??? :5ok:
where do you read about Milan->Banega ? That`s a great news ................................. Future Milan -> Pato, Gourcuff, Di Gennaro, Grimi, Aubameyang brothers, Darmian and of course Kaka & Gilardino, . . . . . . Banega ??
I will be more happy if it changes Kaka into Leite brothers :pp20:
Kaka--7thUCL
22-09-2007, 15:13
:5ok: Assuming we won't burn it all on Ronaldinho first.
Haha:P I say we give up on him.. We honestly need 2-3 players in January.. Good ones.. I want a good forward/CAM and another LB.. Dida isn't a problem really, we need someone young to back him up and play a good 8-9 games each season and then in 2-3 years we make him our main goalie..
BTW.
Milan 1 - 0 Parma 44'
:sweeteye: SEEDORF :grinser:
Kaka--7thUCL
22-09-2007, 15:20
Storari is able to do that, but he's gone though :respect:
..no comment :web:
Graeme C
23-09-2007, 02:43
just sell all our second keepers out on loan, and sign carlo cudicini... Hes a way better backup than kalac!!
slicknick
23-09-2007, 03:32
just sell all our second keepers out on loan, and sign carlo cudicini... Hes a way better backup than kalac!!
Wasn't he our no.2 about 10 years ago? In fact, he is a product of our youth system
Graeme C
23-09-2007, 07:12
Cigarini was quite impressive yesterday, as soon as he came on parma were alot more dangerous. Cigarini btw is supposed to be Pirlos heir, & he seems pretty good!
Kaka--7thUCL
23-09-2007, 11:45
Pirlos heir.. Lol what a joke. Nobody will be Pirlos Heir, Pirlo is Baggios heir and that ends the heir of players that can do what they do. Pirlo should easily be awarded golden ball.. My dream line up after January--XD
---Di Natali--Henry/Eto'o---
----------Kaka'-----------
--Seedorf-------Gattuso--
-----------Pirlo-----------
-Zambrotta-Nesta-Terry-Oddo
-----------Cech-----------
It may look VERY un realistic but if you look at the facts here people, we know that Mourinho is sacked now, Terry may be unsettled, Cech can be offered a hefty amount of money, Henry,Eto'o or Ronaldinho will most likely one of them be uncomfortable, angered, and out of form, which is a perfect opportunity for us, Zambrotta may be interested in a move back to Italy, thus we offer a good amount for him too, and finally, Di Natali, I'm sure he'd be willing to proceed with his career at the best club in Europe aye? :5ok: But theres always next summer market to get these players, since it is A LOT to ask for, but one of them should arrive. Or a player of equal quality.
who is di natali?
I don't like both Eto'o, Henry. And I don't like Terry too.
It may look VERY un realistic
You should have stopped when you were ahead.
Gio-mania
23-09-2007, 13:36
di natale is really hot right now... scored both goals vs. ukraine, sank giuve, and scored 2 goals vs reggina. but we will have pato then and hopefully R99 wont be broken, so no need for strikers. maybe we need a new LB, hopefully zambrotta.
Graeme C
23-09-2007, 16:23
Hansel...so hot right now...Hansel
soz i couldnt resist that :grinser:
Blacktop
23-09-2007, 18:30
If SportsCenter regularly aired results of Serie A matches, chances are you'd hear, "You can't stop Di Natale, you can only hope to contain him." :)
Dida isn't a problem really, we need someone young to back him up and play a good 8-9 games each season and then in 2-3 years we make him our main goalie..
Since everyone's been discussing some kind of impending Chelsea fire sale, I'm 100% behind bringing in Cech as part of a youth movement, assuming such a lofty transaction is even feasible by management standards.
Kaka--7thUCL
23-09-2007, 19:41
I agree with you bmw, but isn't cech in his mid 20's? Don't know but Cech wouldn't stay on the bench for Dida, even if Dida plays better which he probably would if he found that out, they'd pick a younger, and let's say equally as good goalkeeper, over Dida.
Blacktop
23-09-2007, 21:22
I agree with you bmw, but isn't cech in his mid 20's? Don't know but Cech wouldn't stay on the bench for Dida, even if Dida plays better which he probably would if he found that out, they'd pick a younger, and let's say equally as good goalkeeper, over Dida.
Well, Cech was born in 1982, so...
*counts on fingers*
He's only around 24-25, which is a baby in goalie years. Still, I doubt Chelsea would let him walk anyway. Any other keeper between the sticks and they'd be worse off than they already are.
Since everyone's been discussing some kind of impending Chelsea fire sale, I'm 100% behind bringing in Cech as part of a youth movement, assuming such a lofty transaction is even feasible by management standards.
Are you nuts? Cech is arguably the best 'keeper in the World, there's no way he would be back-up for Dida. As for your stats this doesn't take into account all the mistakes Dida makes and he makes more than most goalkeepers and I don't even need to go back more than say ONE week to give an example.
Blacktop
23-09-2007, 23:12
Are you nuts? Cech is arguably the best 'keeper in the World, there's no way he would be back-up for Dida. As for your stats this doesn't take into account all the mistakes Dida makes and he makes more than most goalkeepers and I don't even need to go back more than say ONE week to give an example.
I never said we should bring him on as a backup. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Pirlos heir.. Lol what a joke. Nobody will be Pirlos Heir, Pirlo is Baggios heir and that ends the heir of players that can do what they do. Pirlo should easily be awarded golden ball.. My dream line up after January--XD
---Di Natali--Henry/Eto'o---
----------Kaka'-----------
--Seedorf-------Gattuso--
-----------Pirlo-----------
-Zambrotta-Nesta-Terry-Oddo
-----------Cech-----------
It may look VERY un realistic but if you look at the facts here people, we know that Mourinho is sacked now, Terry may be unsettled, Cech can be offered a hefty amount of money, Henry,Eto'o or Ronaldinho will most likely one of them be uncomfortable, angered, and out of form, which is a perfect opportunity for us, Zambrotta may be interested in a move back to Italy, thus we offer a good amount for him too, and finally, Di Natali, I'm sure he'd be willing to proceed with his career at the best club in Europe aye? :5ok: But theres always next summer market to get these players, since it is A LOT to ask for, but one of them should arrive. Or a player of equal quality.
Terry maybe unsettled, the moon maybe out of cheese, i may be a robot, i may be dreaming...maybe maybe maybe. any time u say maybe anything is possible and it doesnt make the arguement valid whats so ever. you are purely speculating and your speculations are horrible/predictable. the only reason you want di natali is because of his current form, by the winter market u will have forgotten that he exists. why would chelsea sell 2 of their best players? why wud zambrotta all off a sudden move to milan when he didnt want to all summer long. galliani said we cant afford henry's wages and etoo made it clear that he doesnt want to come here. there go all ur maybes out of the window. but MAYBE i am wrong.
Pirlos heir.. Lol what a joke. Nobody will be Pirlos Heir, Pirlo is Baggios heir and that ends the heir of players
hahaha, you make it sound like something out of Lord of the Rings ... 'Here lies the end of heirs' :delol:
Seriously though, as good as Pirlo is he's not Baggio and it's a bit foolish to try and say he is. I bet when Pirlo was younger had someone said he'd be Baggio's 'heir', you'd have been shot down! So who are you to say a current youngster can't be Pirlo's 'heir'?
Enough about heirs. I think the whole 'PlayerY is Player X's heir' is just ludicrous anyway.
but MAYBE i am wrong.
I don't think you're wrong martin. In fact i think your whole post is completely correct :D
I doubt very much Cech will leave Chelsea any time soon, he doesnt appear in the press much but when he did appear he came out saying he and Chelsea are happy at grinding out 1 nil results as long as they win. I cant see this happening for long at Chelsea, especially with Grant in charge.
Some players have been left in an emotional state after JoMo's exit, but Cech wasnt one of them. Now if Chelsea go on a disaster run, I mean lose to opposition where they should of won easily I think their place in the top 4 could be up for grabs. This year the competition for the top 4 is more intense and if Chelsea dont make it it will bring mayhem. I can guarantee you if Chelsea dont make the top 4 THEN Cech will be one of the first to ask for a move, just like the others. Also there are only 4 clubs who could probably match their wages, Barcelona, Madrid, Inter and Milan. I doubt Chelsea would want them to go to another team in England.
I don't know if Mourinho's escape will make Chelsea worse next year (of couse it will this year, no time to prepare). Everyone is talking about Lampard, Drogba, Terry. I think only Terry's important. Lampard is much worse than Ballack, but Mourinho just doesn't like Ballack and he likes Lampard. But another coach may use Ballack more effectively. Shevchenko is rubbish in Mourinho's hand. But we all know who Sheva was. If Shevchenko can perform half as good as he was our Sheva, who is Drogba? No one in Chelsea now can compare with Shevchenko or Ballack if we are talking about class and fame. With an open minded coach who can use Ballack, Shevchenko effectively and Abramovich's money, who knows what kind of monster Chelsea will be.
By the way, I like Cech too. But he is not a realistic target
Chelski have 4 coaches - Assholvich, Grant, Arsenan & whoever does become coach, who will effectively be a puppet to the orglichs whims. Chelski will take a while to balance, and alot of players could go with Mourinho departing.
Graeme C
24-09-2007, 08:17
I don't know if Mourinho's escape will make Chelsea worse next year (of couse it will this year, no time to prepare). Everyone is talking about Lampard, Drogba, Terry. I think only Terry's important. Lampard is much worse than Ballack, but Mourinho just doesn't like Ballack and he likes Lampard. But another coach may use Ballack more effectively. Shevchenko is rubbish in Mourinho's hand. But we all know who Sheva was. If Shevchenko can perform half as good as he was our Sheva, who is Drogba? No one in Chelsea now can compare with Shevchenko or Ballack if we are talking about class and fame. With an open minded coach who can use Ballack, Shevchenko effectively and Abramovich's money, who knows what kind of monster Chelsea will be.
By the way, I like Cech too. But he is not a realistic target
If Juve dont get a top 6 finish then i would say Buffon would be a more realistic target.
The only one at Chelsea that we can buy is Drogba, he has great admiration for Jose Mourinho and he is emotional type, we can have him with good amount of money. He has been already 29 (1978), but we can make him another G. Weah. I dont see Terry or Lampard fitting for Serie A or CL. Look how they played at England NT and CL before and you know why, the English media has blown them too much, both were born for EPL. I love to see Cech stand behind Nesta & Pirlo, but how could Abrahamovich let him go?
But having Drogba is not a best idea, IMO.
Hey, guy. Do you like to have some more Scudetti, Mourinho have some of Capello's abillities, the league winner. Lets have him, WHEN WE ARE BORED WITH CHAMPION LEAGUE. :D
The only one at Chelsea that we can buy is Drogba, he has great admiration for Jose Mourinho and he is emotional type, we can have him with good amount of money. He has been already 29 (1978), but we can make him another G. Weah. I dont see Terry or Lampard fitting for Serie A or CL. Look how they played at England NT and CL before and you know why, the English media has blown them too much, both were born for EPL. I love to see Cech stand behind Nesta & Pirlo, but how could Abrahamovich let him go?
But having Drogba is not a best idea, IMO.
Hey, guy. Do you like to have some more Scudetti, Mourinho have some of Capello's abillities, the league winner. Lets have him, WHEN WE ARE BORED WITH CHAMPION LEAGUE. :D
I think Costacurta will be our next coach.
Kaka1899
24-09-2007, 15:23
i hear rumours of Billy been lined up by QPR as there next manager
Warro Bantan
24-09-2007, 15:27
Hmmm...interesting developments in Spain so far this term
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/09/24/ronaldinho_misses_barcelonas_b.html
Wonder if Sir Ronnie of Bucktooth will make a sensational switch?
Hansel...so hot right now...Hansel
soz i couldnt resist that :grinser:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: That’s hilarious…..Is my favorite movie, and that my favorite line of the movie
Still not a proper BANG i expect, but getting closer :)
Hope we dont land him for foolish price in the end. We need rising stars not falling ones...
Kaka--7thUCL
24-09-2007, 17:26
I disagree.. By this January, or next summer mercato, he'll be at age..?28? that's still not too old and under milan standards probably young, although he's my favourite player, I only wanted him @ milan last year because we'd have a good 4 yrs of his magic, now if he were to come I don't think it's worth it anymore, instead we could rebuild our squad with 4 great players instead..
Di Natale,Terry,Cech,Zambrotta..
Bosniaco
24-09-2007, 22:18
I dono why you all talking about Di Natale so much, dude just score few goal. I would rather get someone like Amauri or Cavani, younger.
Now that it's been revealed we made an unsuccessful £7 million bid for Banega, does anyone think we'll go back for him in January? Or do you think our money for Banega was spent on Pato meaning no new bid for him?
slicknick
25-09-2007, 05:28
Now that it's been revealed we made an unsuccessful £7 million bid for Banega, does anyone think we'll go back for him in January? Or do you think our money for Banega was spent on Pato meaning no new bid for him?
I think there is a good chance we will go for him again... However, it does not necessarily mean he will sign for us, though I hope he does
Hasan Rossonero
25-09-2007, 10:05
Damiani: Milan Rejected Top-Class Trio Former Milan striker Oscar Damiani has revealed that Milan passed up the opportunity to sign Luca Toni, David Trezeguet and Ruud Van Nistelrooy in order to keep hold of Alberto Gilardino.
Damiani: Milan Rejected Top-Class Trio
zoom - galleria
So much was expected of Gila when he arrived for £18m in 2005, but the ex-Parma striker has been very disappointing and has been a complete flop in Europe, scoring just two Champions League goals in two years.
The World Cup winner has come under intense criticism so far this season. The forward has yet to score and was booed continuously by the Milan fans during the Rossoneri’s recent home games against Fiorentina and Benfica.
Damiani claims that Milan had the chance to replace Gilardino with any of the aforementioned trio but chose to keep faith with their ex-Verona hitman.
“Milan had taken the difficult decision to sell Gilardino and replace him with a first-class striker,” Damiani told Sky Sports Italia.
“Then they changed their mind and decided to keep faith with Gilardino, rather than choose between either Toni, Van Nistelrooy or Trezeguet, of which positive contact had already been made.”
Gilardino will be hoping to end his barren run when Milan travel to Sicily tomorrow evening to face Palermo.
------------------
goal.com
I don't know if this is true or not because why would a member of Milan stuff (is this Damiani in Milan?) put even more pressure on Gilardino ?
King tiger
25-09-2007, 11:53
maybe its like coz they want to show that they have faith in Gila ?
Warro Bantan
25-09-2007, 12:01
I agree with King tiger...seems like an expression of faith to me...
slicknick
25-09-2007, 12:04
maybe its like coz they want to show that they have faith in Gila ?
Yeah, I guess I can believe that as well... Let's see how Gila will respond to this on the pitch
I agree with King tiger...seems like an expression of faith to me...
it seems like he is lamenting on the missed chances of signing one of those three studs and keeping our dud. i wud have loved to see trezeguet in our team. also it seems like every day a milan associate is either blasting gila or supporting him. its clear that the only reason he is still here is because of his price tag and the title at italy's future. otherwise, he wud have been long gone by now.
I don't know if this is true or not because why would a member of Milan stuff (is this Damiani in Milan?) put even more pressure on Gilardino ?
Jealousy.. perhaps as he didn't have even half of the confidence Milan has been continually showing to Gila
it seems like he is lamenting on the missed chances of signing one of those three studs and keeping our dud. i wud have loved to see trezeguet in our team. also it seems like every day a milan associate is either blasting gila or supporting him. its clear that the only reason he is still here is because of his price tag and the title at italy's future. otherwise, he wud have been long gone by now.
Price tag: Oliveria just gives you an excellent example that Milan doesn't adhere to price tag.
Italy's future: He is... he can only be.
__________
The question is not when Gila will score; the question is when Ancelotti will stop playing lone striker with Gila. As far as the Champion League is concerned, I don't see how Gila will shine until Ancelotti is ready to play 4-3-1-2 instead of 4-3-2-1. Just like we'll never see how 'wonderful' Gourcuff is until Ancelotti actually put him on the pitch (but he hasn't even made it to the bench).
I'm obviously glad he went to Liverpool, but surely Milan should have made more of an effort to sign Torres. He's just put in a fantastic performance against Reading which had everything, skill, touch, excellent finishing, strength, pace and good link up play.
Torres got alot of rough treatment tonight, but instead of whinging and moaning when he was knocked down, he got back up without any fuss and kept demanding the ball. Gilardino should watch this match and study Torres' performance, maybe it'll remind him of what he's supposed to do!
Kaka, Torres & Ronaldo up front, that could have been pretty special.
Warro Bantan
25-09-2007, 17:21
Yeah Jim, :rollani: a performance against...who? Reading? What? Eh? Oh! :D
Yeah Jim, :rollani: a performance against...who? Reading? What? Eh? Oh! :D
Yeah, they're about as good as Sienna & Parma ... so i guess we don't need a player for those occasions ... What? Eh? Oh! :D
Warro Bantan
25-09-2007, 17:37
Touche! :D
In all seriousness though, his performance was top drawer regardless of the opposition defenders. He would have given anyone a tough time tonight. Plus i don't think any of the Italian defenders could have been more physical than the Reading defenders as they tried to kick him off the park this evening.
Maybe Pato can do the same for us!
Warro Bantan
25-09-2007, 17:47
I for one, certainly hope so!!
Maurizio
25-09-2007, 17:59
I like Torres.
Getting Drogba seems more likely now.
From what I've seen from Pato, we can surely expect something special from him. But my hopes for seeing Ronaldo back in some kind of form are wanishing slowly... :(
Torres was always a very good palyer and could have played big role in Milan, but Milan wanted only few players: Eto'o, Henry, Ronaldinho. After we failed to to that, we went for the BEST YOUNG FORWARD of BRASIL. That needs to mean something.
Its not like L'pool got a bargain on Torres, they payed 35 mln.
And Drogba could be a good solution IF Chelsea are willing to sell him. But untill the summer I doubt Milan will buy anyone.
Terry will never leave England I don't think-he'd have to prove himself and I'm not sure he's up for it. He's a bully and would be a shameful character for Milan, I just can't see him in a Milan shirt, grabbing red cards out of ref's hands, yelling "f yourself P***Y' to some player he's just cremated.
Drogba can come anyday; he was such a sad diver his first year, he showed great character and became the best. A beast that'd keep defences honest and allow Kaka' freedom to create.
Sheva's done-even without Mourinho, he looked just out of it against ManU. Our attention has to be on a striker-the only reason our defence has given up some late goals is because we end up defending for 88 minutes. Give me goals or give me death!
Russo-Neri
25-09-2007, 19:01
Sorry if already posted. The Sun reports that Ronaldihno has agreed to a 58 million 5 yr contract with Chelsea.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007440453,00.html
Hasan Rossonero
25-09-2007, 19:11
Sorry if already posted. The Sun reports that Ronaldihno has agreed to a 58 million 5 yr contract with Chelsea.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007440453,00.html
The Sun is a tabloid.
Kaka--7thUCL
25-09-2007, 22:00
Damiani: Milan Rejected Top-Class Trio Former Milan striker Oscar Damiani has revealed that Milan passed up the opportunity to sign Luca Toni, David Trezeguet and Ruud Van Nistelrooy in order to keep hold of Alberto Gilardino.
Damiani: Milan Rejected Top-Class Trio
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So much was expected of Gila when he arrived for £18m in 2005, but the ex-Parma striker has been very disappointing and has been a complete flop in Europe, scoring just two Champions League goals in two years.
The World Cup winner has come under intense criticism so far this season. The forward has yet to score and was booed continuously by the Milan fans during the Rossoneri’s recent home games against Fiorentina and Benfica.
Damiani claims that Milan had the chance to replace Gilardino with any of the aforementioned trio but chose to keep faith with their ex-Verona hitman.
“Milan had taken the difficult decision to sell Gilardino and replace him with a first-class striker,” Damiani told Sky Sports Italia.
“Then they changed their mind and decided to keep faith with Gilardino, rather than choose between either Toni, Van Nistelrooy or Trezeguet, of which positive contact had already been made.”
Gilardino will be hoping to end his barren run when Milan travel to Sicily tomorrow evening to face Palermo.
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OMGOMGOMG. Even though I'd rather stay faithful to Gila, then get Trez and Toni, one things for sure, but van nistelrooy!!! argh.
and that ronaldinho thing with the sun.. lol.. all im saying is that if ronaldinho were to leave, and not to milan.. Don't really know how crazy I'd get.. Then again, BS like this spreads al over, and same things were said about milan, and if berlu knew r10 would join he'd surpass chelseas bid imo.
hitmannq8
26-09-2007, 02:50
Kaka you seriously would want RvN here? I mean, he's still developing, just let give the youngster some time and then maybe we'll decide to go for him in 2-3 years when he reaches his prime :D
slicknick
26-09-2007, 03:39
Kaka you seriously would want RvN here? I mean, he's still developing, just let give the youngster some time and then maybe we'll decide to go for him in 2-3 years when he reaches his prime :D
:grinser: Hehe, good one
Graeme C
26-09-2007, 04:21
not signing luca toni for like £8 mill was a mistake!
agree! Even Toni hiself said he was bound to Milan but Silvio didnt want him in the end. And the man is brilliant striker... WEll, we stick with Gilauntill the summer. Then we'll get someone young like...Romario.
Its not like L'pool got a bargain on Torres, they payed 35 mln.
They paid only a few million more than we paid for Gilardino :D
Why would Ronaldinho go to a rudderless Chelsea?
They paid only a few million more than we paid for Gilardino :D
Why would Ronaldinho go to a rudderless Chelsea?
Maybe Gila has some twin brother who is aczually a poor player. We payed for a player that scored 46 goals in 2 seasons with Parma. Scored with backheeds, volleys, overhead kicks... And got a player who cant even make 5 metar pass...
Graeme C
26-09-2007, 06:42
bianchi is another one that we should have possibly made a move for, but yeah theres not much different between bianchi, gila and inzaghi..
kastriot
26-09-2007, 11:12
They paid only a few million more than we paid for Gilardino :D
Why would Ronaldinho go to a rudderless Chelsea?
few mil. more as in 10 mil more :grinser:
Gila at the time was worthy of every single penny we paid for him.
I wonder how Warro and Zlat are feeling these days with the 'complete squad' that we have :wallbang:
I was down on my knees begging for Torres and Quaresma and to a lesser extent wanted Sneijder...... to which I got replies like "overrated" , "not Milan material" and "Milan player X is FAR better than....." :stupid:
Fast forward to the present Torres is ripping up with Liverpool a team which still isn't creative as we are with Kaka-Seedorf and Pirlo :w154:
Sneijder is scoring like crazy in Madrid and Quaresma is still :confused: as to why no one got him :D
We can only hope that Ronaldo = Superman returns to our lineup and that Pato lives up to a reasonable % of his hype in January. It's close to lunchtime so I won't say anything about Gila :guw:
A bit OOT, San Marco watched MU-Chelsea match with Roman, though it didn't mean anything as yet I really hope that someday he coach our team
I wonder how Warro and Zlat are feeling these days with the 'complete squad' that we have :wallbang:
I was down on my knees begging for Torres and Quaresma and to a lesser extent wanted Sneijder...... to which I got replies like "overrated" , "not Milan material" and "Milan player X is FAR better than....." :stupid:
Fast forward to the present Torres is ripping up with Liverpool a team which still isn't creative as we are with Kaka-Seedorf and Pirlo :w154:
Sneijder is scoring like crazy in Madrid and Quaresma is still :confused: as to why no one got him :D
We can only hope that Ronaldo = Superman returns to our lineup and that Pato lives up to a reasonable % of his hype in January. It's close to lunchtime so I won't say anything about Gila :guw:
EXCELLENT post, dude... except for your hope towards Ronaldo... sorry, I don't believe in miracles! :w221: :w221: :w221:
hishamilan
27-09-2007, 04:58
i was begging for younger players at the summer mercato to make an overall revolution in the team holding the champions league title and i think zlat knows that , but all we got was sleepy emerson and great pato who will start playing when we are out of the champions league and the league's 16th
note: if we make a revolution in the team next winter or summer it won't fruit except the season after the coming so .....
Graeme C
27-09-2007, 05:08
i was begging for younger players at the summer mercato to make an overall revolution in the team holding the champions league title and i think zlat knows that , but all we got was sleepy emerson and great pato who will start playing when we are out of the champions league and the league's 16th
note: if we make a revolution in the team next winter or summer it won't fruit except the season after the coming so .....
Last matches ive seen Emerson play hes looked terrible, maybe he is not a 100% match fit, but Ambrosini has looked a thousand times better. We would have been better off signing Maresca, or tiago someone who is good at going forward..
Hats off to Ambrosini though, he has really improved his game this year! Lets just hope he has a injury free year!
Some reports are saying that ronaldinho will be able to buy out his contract this summer as he will be 28 years old and will play for Barca his 5th season.... we'll see.
About our striking solutions, Huntelaar gave the interwiew in which he says he'll accept some big clubs proposal. If its indees the truth we went for Toni, Trez and nistelrooy and decided to give Gila a chance, then this time we should sign the Hunter and just sell Gila. I like Gila but he is not doing well and we are Milan, simple as that.
But our biggest problem is a lack of another fast midfielder and a good Lb alongside Marek.
Arildonardo
27-09-2007, 08:10
Dear Santa...:
Lippi
<Any goalkeeper that doesn't suck>
Carvalho
Ronaldinho
Ronaldo back in action!
Thank you very much! :dcool:
Graeme C
27-09-2007, 08:42
Only way i would like Ronaldinho to come to milan is if he bought out his contract. Spend the fund redoing the ageing squad.
Still have to say this brazilan obsession has to stop...
as long as we only have a good first 11 we can forget about the scudetto. we need a little competition in the squad and carlo should be able to field good teams on tuesday/wednesday and on the following weekend.
in winter:
good right back alternative to oddo
good left back alternative to janku
summer 08:
in:
guiseppe rossi
drogba (to replace gila)
creative midfielder like maresca
simplicio
good central defender like zapata to replace il capitano
new goalkeeper (frey would be cool)
out:
gila
brocchi
favalli
cafu
serginho
maldini
dida
kalac
there would be so much to do but i'm damm sure nothing will happen. as usual
Sweendogs
27-09-2007, 10:29
Milan looking at midfielders at least
Boca Juniors have rejected a £7million offer from Milan for midfield starlet Ever Banega.
The 19-year-old, who has been likened to Milan's own Gennaro Gattuso, was one of the stars of Argentina's Under 20 side which lifted the world title for the second successive time in July.
He was only handed his first-team debut at La Bombanera in February this year following Fernando Gago's move to Real Madrid and he has taken his opportunity with both hands.
Now a number of clubs from Europe are taking a keen interest and Boca president Mauricio Macri has confirmed the club have rejected a bid from Milan.
"Milan has offered, in the last few hours, $14million for Banega," Macri told Radio La Red.
"But we do not think it is enough for a 19-year-old player, he is a player like Gennaro Gatusso - but a little more skilful."
Macri - who is currently in Europe talking with a number of interested parties about possible winter transfers - also admitted that Villarreal had shown an interest.
"Banega has already been eyed by other European teams and at one moment Villarreal asked us for him when we were in negotiations for Juan Roman Riquelme but we didn't accept," added Macri.
Maurizio
27-09-2007, 10:38
Players like Drogba, Huntelaar, Banega, Alves, Qauresma would be great.
We should get rid of Gilardino only if we sign 2 other strikers, which won't happen.
EXCELLENT post, dude... except for your hope towards Ronaldo... sorry, I don't believe in miracles! :w221: :w221: :w221:
I believe in miracels and Ronaldo is capable of many :5ok: So is Pippo for that Matter. Loving Milan means expecting the best from them even when the chips are down and soon enough you'll see what a magical group we have :p017:
I don't see why we need Banega. They say he's similar to Rino, but we are well covered in that position as we already have Rino, Brocchi, Emerson, and Ambro. The only Argentina U-20 player I'd like to wear Milan jersey is Kun Aguerro
The only Argentina U-20 player I'd like to wear Milan jersey is Kun Aguerro :proud: wow seems like everyone is starting to agree with me. First jeff
Says nice things about ronaldo. Then nalx wants sergio aguero. What next...gila
on the first thing flying to turin :guw:
Maurizio
27-09-2007, 21:36
I don't see why we need Banega. They say he's similar to Rino, but we are well covered in that position as we already have Rino, Brocchi, Emerson, and Ambro. The only Argentina U-20 player I'd like to wear Milan jersey is Kun Aguerro
Banega would be a great investment just like Pato. Plus all those players you mentioned are all 29+. Having a 19 year old wouldn't be such a bad idea. Honestly, I wouldn't even count Brocchi...
Banega would be a great investment just like Pato. Plus all those players you mentioned are all 29+. Having a 19 year old wouldn't be such a bad idea. Honestly, I wouldn't even count Brocchi...
Lately we've been playing with 2 DMs (Rino-Ambro/Emo) but normally Carletto plays with only 1 DM (Rino). So having 5 DMs (including Banega) competing for one spot is too much IMO.
From what I've seen Kun Aguero will be much more helpful for our team. This lad can (and loves to) dribble past the defenders and more importantly score goals, which clearly that's our biggest problem now. That . . . and dru's buying Gila ticket for the first flight to Turin :uhm:
GilAttack [11]
27-09-2007, 22:26
You wont ever confuse Banega with Gattuso. They are way different.
']You wont ever confuse Banega with Gattuso. They are way different.
I don't mean to disrespect your opinion dude, but I think I'd rather believe what the president of Boca Junior Mauricio Macri said, that Banega "is a player like Gennaro Gatusso - but a little more skilful"
Kaka--7thUCL
27-09-2007, 23:37
yeahh okay! Gattuso is like banega - but 500x better.
I also dont think its too late to win seria a, early in, and if we say solid until january, buy a striker and a cb, we'll be good to go.
:proud: wow seems like everyone is starting to agree with me. First jeff
Says nice things about ronaldo. Then nalx wants sergio aguero. What next...gila
on the first thing flying to turin :guw:
IT will be fun to see where Gila ends up if he does go to Turin. He may appear the 'worst buy by Milan' thread or "worst sell by Milan management".
Ha, that will be interesting.
... and if we say solid until january, buy a striker and a cb, we'll be good to go.
We have Pato coming in so we won't be getting anyone else unless Ronaldo & Inzaghi/Gilardino are out with long term injuries.
Graeme C
28-09-2007, 05:48
IT will be fun to see where Gila ends up if he does go to Turin. He may appear the 'worst buy by Milan' thread or "worst sell by Milan management".
Ha, that will be interesting.
if he goes to turin, hopefully its a player + money trade for Buffon! :grinser:
IT will be fun to see where Gila ends up if he does go to Turin. He may appear the 'worst buy by Milan' thread or "worst sell by Milan management".
For sure strong candidate for fist thread and only time will tell if for second too.
Just that Gila will not go to Turin, at least not in Juve and at least not for now. He was a strong candidate before Iaquinta was bought and Trez renewed his contract. With Del Piero still in the picture and Palladino comming strong from behind, there is absolutely no place for a 20m euro risk called Gilardino.
To me it doesn't matter if or how well he does elsewhere. If he flops somewhere else he's no good for Milan. If he turns into a superstar like henry did- then the sport of football is enriched. Juve did very well without Henry and as long as we find a suitable replacement so will we
Can someone in here, if he is Italy soon, go to Galliani's house and say to him that all we need is Rothen formPSG. He can play LB, LM, LW. Is French so has an EU passport. This man is a super player and I really dont understand what the hell is he still doing in PSG. Or Duff in Newcastle.
Im full of ideas, I just need around 20 mln and Milan will be 20% stronger in the spring :)
zlatanov
28-09-2007, 11:09
Can someone in here, if he is Italy soon, go to Galliani's house and say to him that all we need is Rothen formPSG. He can play LB, LM, LW. Is French so has an EU passport. This man is a super player and I really dont understand what the hell is he still doing in PSG. Or Duff in Newcastle.
Im full of ideas, I just need around 20 mln and Milan will be 20% stronger in the spring
I am sure you have ideas, Marko, I have no doubt about that ... actually, having ideas has never been and never will be the problem with you and 100 other guys here at MM ... the problem is that your ideas change more frequently than the wind changes directions, no offense intended :) ... and if a football club was to be run in such a way, it would go broke in a tranfer season or two (although, chances are, they would have to morgage the training facilities to raise enough money for the second :D).
So, now it is Rothen ... a guy who was great in the 2003/04 season and then for the next 3-4 years, one couldn't hear his name mentioned even after a 1-hour long google search ... now, I am guessing he has 2-3 good games in a row for PSG, you happen to watch League 1 highlights and ... boom, there you go, Rothen is the next transfer target.
How about next week, though, would he still be in your book after you stumble upon next week's highlights from the Eredevisie or the Bundesliga or whatever?
I wonder how Warro and Zlat are feeling these days with the 'complete squad' that we have :wallbang:
I was down on my knees begging for Torres and Quaresma and to a lesser extent wanted Sneijder...... to which I got replies like "overrated" , "not Milan material" and "Milan player X is FAR better than....." :stupid:
Fast forward to the present Torres is ripping up with Liverpool a team which still isn't creative as we are with Kaka-Seedorf and Pirlo :w154:
Sneijder is scoring like crazy in Madrid and Quaresma is still :confused: as to why no one got him :D
We can only hope that Ronaldo = Superman returns to our lineup and that Pato lives up to a reasonable % of his hype in January. It's close to lunchtime so I won't say anything about Gila
my dear curly dru, could you please do me a favour and show me where I, or Warro, said that I considered our squad "complete" and in no need of reinforcements?
What was it that gave you this idea - Was it the fact that I refused to go bonkers and start swearing at the management or was it that I didn't give Quaresma a bj and Torres a hj in every single post I made during the summer?:D
I am aware that English isn't my first language but I doubt it is so bad that one would mistake my constant "hoping" that we'll sign more players and my mentioning of players like Mancini, Baptista, Mascherano, Abidal, Zambrotta, Alves, Cannavaro, Alex, Zapata etc, etc for "we have a complete squad and don't need any reinforcements"
So, next time you decide to play word games with me, please do me a big favour and give it a thought, or better yet - two, before you rush to the keyboard and say something completely irrelevent that would draw support only from Gre-No-Li and the likes :)
As for Sneijder, please go back to my posts on him, read carefully what I had to say about him, and then maybe you will realize that the guy is yet to prove me wrong ... maybe one day he will but that day is yet to come, ok ;).
Judging a player on a game or two has never worked for anyone ... and just like you are judging me being wrong about Sneijder on the basis of his first 2-3 games for Real where he was very, very good, I just as easily could judge him on his last 2-3 games for Real where he was average at best and showed exactly what I said about him - that he is not a difference maker.
To put it in slightly different words, which hopefully wont be twisted this time around - Sneijder is a player who will play great when Real plays great, then he will be at the forefront of things and will give the impression to lightminded fans that he is a great player ... when however Real is having a difficult time, he will be nowhere to be seen as he is not the type of player, who will stand up and pick up his team in a difficult moment aka he is not a difference maker but rather a player who follows the flow of his team.
As for Torres, 90+% of goals he has scored this season came against defensively inept teams like Derby C. and Reading (or whatever) ... so, again, he is yet to prove that he is good enough even for the EPL, where apart from 3-4 teams, the rest will be put to school in defensive tactics by even the worst of serie B teams (here it would help keeping in mind that Milan is a an Italian team, not an EPL team) ...
and if we are gonna use these two games to judge him, then I guess we could also throw the Porto game in the mix too, a game that was his CL debut and ... I hardly need to tell you what happened, or rather didn't happen there (a more expensive Gilardino anyone?).
Stezagud
28-09-2007, 11:58
As for Torres, 90+% of goals he has scored this season came against defensively inept teams like Derby C. and Reading (or whatever) ...
actually, it was Readings reserves ;)
and yes Derby are by far the worst side in the Premiership so i doubt they can be used as a decent measure, Spurs and Arsenal hammered them too and any side that scores early against them can expect goals galore, iirc one of Torres' goals was assisted by a Derby defender sending him a great throughball :dielaugh:
To be fair to him though he has looked decent in the other games he has featured in and Liverpool missed him in the last 2 leagues games where Rafa inexplicably rested him.
We need game winner but unfortunately GIla is not one and Inzaghi is like a light bulb (turning on and off all the time). Ronaldo is also a game winner but he is (almost forever) injured. Then we have Pato... Let's hope that when ronaldo is back and Pato is with us things are better (in terms of attack).
my dear curly dru, could you please do me a favour and show me where I, or Warro, said that I considered our squad "complete" and in no need of reinforcements?
What was it that gave you this idea - Was it the fact that I refused to go bonkers and start swearing at the management or was it that I didn't give Quaresma a bj and Torres a hj in every single post I made during the summer?:D
I am aware that English isn't my first language but I doubt it is so bad that one would mistake my constant "hoping" that we'll sign more players and my mentioning of players like Mancini, Baptista, Mascherano, Abidal, Zambrotta, Alves, Cannavaro, Alex, Zapata etc, etc for "we have a complete squad and don't need any reinforcements"
So, next time you decide to play word games with me, please do me a big favour and give it a thought, or better yet - two, before you rush to the keyboard and say something completely irrelevent that would draw support only from Gre-No-Li and the likes :)
As for Sneijder, please go back to my posts on him, read carefully what I had to say about him, and then maybe you will realize that the guy is yet to prove me wrong ... maybe one day he will but that day is yet to come, ok ;).
Judging a player on a game or two has never worked for anyone ... and just like you are judging me being wrong about Sneijder on the basis of his first 2-3 games for Real where he was very, very good, I just as easily could judge him on his last 2-3 games for Real where he was average at best and showed exactly what I said about him - that he is not a difference maker.
To put it in slightly different words, which hopefully wont be twisted this time around - Sneijder is a player who will play great when Real plays great, then he will be at the forefront of things and will give the impression to lightminded fans that he is a great player ... when however Real is having a difficult time, he will be nowhere to be seen as he is not the type of player, who will stand up and pick up his team in a difficult moment aka he is not a difference maker but rather a player who follows the flow of his team.
As for Torres, 90+% of goals he has scored this season came against defensively inept teams like Derby C. and Reading (or whatever) ... so, again, he is yet to prove that he is good enough even for the EPL, where apart from 3-4 teams, the rest will be put to school in defensive tactics by even the worst of serie B teams (here it would help keeping in mind that Milan is a an Italian team, not an EPL team) ...
and if we are gonna use these two games to judge him, then I guess we could also throw the Porto game in the mix too, a game that was his CL debut and ... I hardly need to tell you what happened, or rather didn't happen there (a more expensive Gilardino anyone?).
First of all I didn't know that english isn't your first language.....you're very good at it :respect:
Second, I meant no ill will/disrespect. But you must admit that you poured a lot of cold water on my Torres/ Quaresma ideas.....saying things like "he wouldn't be able to find a place in the starting lineup" etc etc.
Torres could only score vs who is put in front of him and imho he has done that very well.....at least better than you-know-who
Third I doubt Torres is into that kind of thing but I'm pretty certain that after a bj, hj, fj and possibly rj -Quaresma would be willing to take the sj for milan :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
Torres has only really sparked against weak opposition but the goal he scored against Chelsea can make you think what we are going to miss out on.
I personally think we messed up during summer - what we needed to do was keep RO up until january and then send him on loan whilst we get Pato ready.
zlatanov
28-09-2007, 13:24
First of all I didn't know that english isn't your first language.....you're very good at it :respect:
thanks ... that scratch on the back just put you 2 notches up in my book - now you are at notch 0 ... joking, of course :grinser:
Second, I meant no ill will/disrespect. But you must admit that you poured a lot of cold water on my Torres/ Quaresma ideas.....saying things like "he wouldn't be able to find a place in the starting lineup" etc etc.
I never said Quaresma will not enter Milan's starting 11 ... I did however pour cold water on your romance with him - :D - and here is why:
I have two problems with Quaresma - one, his attitude. He left Barca with the speed train 'cause he had decided that he was better than anyone and didn't take him long to break it up with Rijkaard (a very patient coach from what it looks).
True, he has probably grown up a bit from those days but he still shows on the field that "I am too good to be true" attitude that I don't wanna see in Milan players ... basically, I don't think he is the type of character that would fit in Milan's dressing room for too long before he falls out with his teammates and Carlo.
My second problem with him, is his pricetag - at close to 40 mil (let's make it 30 for argument's sake) it is just too much for a player like Quaresma with all the character problems he's had and seems to continue to have ... and let's face it, he is closer to being a "still has to prove himself" player than a proven player, so this pricetag is hugely unjustified IMO with or without a couple of impressive CL performances.
I have always liked the idea of having a player of Quaresma's type and that's why I mentioned Mancini as my preferred player to see Milan go for - he is not much older than Q., proven in Italy and at least as proven in CL, has more substance than Q. in his game (Q. tends to overplay certain situations quite a bit ... basically, he likes to show off) and last but not least, Mancini would cost us half of what Q. would.
Anyways, the point is that just because I didn't like Q. it didn't mean that I didn;t wanna see Milan extend their current options within the squad.
Torres could only score vs who is put in front of him and imho he has done that very well.....at least better than you-know-who
not true IMO - scoring vs EPL teams is not the same as scoring vs Italian teams, be that weakest Italian teams in Serie A, as the mentality, the tactics in Italy are very different than they are in the EPL and all this takes the biggest toll on strikers given the defensive coverage in Italy ... it's players like Torres, coming from a much more "open" league, that tend to suffer big time in Italy.
Torres may score 40 goals in the EPL this season and that would still not be enough to say that he would have been good enough for Milan in Italy ... basically the only base for such comparison can be made on the grounds of his performance in CL games as in the CL Pool's and Milan's opponents are pretty much of similar level, so to speak.
Beyond that, how Torres faires in EPL will not change the fact that he is unproven in Italy and vs Italian defensive tactics and would mean nothing as to how well he would have played, or not, for Milan had we gone for him this summer.
to put it in dif words - Torres may become Pool's player of the year in the EPL, this however still won't be good enough of a proof that Milan really "missed" on him.
Third I doubt Torres is into that kind of thing but I'm pretty certain that after a bj, hj, fj and possibly rj -Quaresma would be willing to take the sj for milan :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
next Summer, Q. will be on his way out of Porto even without any _j thing :D
I personally think that we messed up all the summers for the past 5 years, that's why we have the rumor windmill, yet we won 2 champion league finals (with one that we really throw away, and one that we decided 4-1 was too much an embarrassment of another team and decided to lose 4-0 at their ground).
@Dru: pouring cold water at your players doesn't necesssarily mean that your player is bad; it's just that the point is the period of time is so short to assess him that is unrealistic to make any immediate decision.
Look at CR9; "he is so amazing in EPL" "he is wonderful" "he can beat the crap out of Maldini who is so slow and old".
Then? He didn't even get past the midfield at SanSiro. However great he is, he is just non-existent in the 2-league game against MIlan. he is a great player, I have no doubt, but Idon't see how he is truly a big-game player.
I can name two others who are: Messi & Ronaldoinho. Messi is gaining more and more of my respect, but I'm not entirely convinced, yet, also because I don't follow the spanish league as often.
And believe it or not, Gilardino actually scored his second goal against Manchester United (non-important goals if you would like to consider, but he scored right at the moment when Man U piled up the pressure and looked like they were back to the normal self. Then a pass from Ambro, then a 1-on-1, then we know what happened...)
The point is: don't judge based just on a few games about a player; scouting is an art.
[QUOTE=zlatanov]I am sure you have ideas, Marko, I have no doubt about that ... actually, having ideas has never been and never will be the problem with you and 100 other guys here at MM ... the problem is that your ideas change more frequently than the wind changes directions, no offense intended :) ... and if a football club was to be run in such a way, it would go broke in a tranfer season or two (although, chances are, they would have to morgage the training facilities to raise enough money for the second :D).
So, now it is Rothen ... a guy who was great in the 2003/04 season and then for the next 3-4 years, one couldn't hear his name mentioned even after a 1-hour long google search ... now, I am guessing he has 2-3 good games in a row for PSG, you happen to watch League 1 highlights and ... boom, there you go, Rothen is the next transfer target.
How about next week, though, would he still be in your book after you stumble upon next week's highlights from the Eredevisie or the Bundesliga or whatever?
:sweeteye: :sweeteye: :sweeteye:
No Zlat, no offence man, but this is generalisation. Its not like that at all.
Im just showing that there are a lot of options, a lot of variations, that can improove our team. I wasnt asking for 10 players or Ronaldinho and Henry, I was just saying that, as much as this Milan is strong, we do need somthing fresh to help us in sewrie a. It is pretty obvious also for you I think.
Galliani knows his job, of course, but we are here to talk about football and how to make our team perfect. isnt that a goal for every football fan, to have a perfect team?
Rothen is not just a player I saw 2 times in highlights and like some kid who doesnt know thig about football I went to MM and said " rothen rocks! ". NO.
There are numerous players of top quality that are not playing in top football clubs, sounds strange but its true. Just look at Duff! Newcastle for this brilliant player...a shame! Considering Rothen: I watched him play like 100 times since he became known player and to me, to me I repeat, he seems a great player. Actually, a better player that Jankulovski. But to Paris you need to pay well and with Udinese Milan probably has some strange conections like big clubs have with the smaller ones in Italy. Forget about what we see in highlights ( goals, crosses...). Being a Milan fan learns you to watch football carefully, not just dribbles and goals. Im still standing behind Rothen like I told you guys about Ribery - those players are great buys. They change the rith of the game, their touch is perfect and they have toughness and tactical responsibility. Flaire also.
So Zlat, it kinda offends me when you compare this with some kids that come in here and say: " I want ballack, terry, del piero and adriano..." Its not like that. Its easy to just keep quiet and wait for Galliani to buy someone and then say "ok, gallani knows what he is doing". For that I dont need to be in here !!!
I'll say it again, we NEED only one quality fast midfielder and we'll play much better in serie a games. Just one player taht can play in wide areas.
I don't mean to disrespect your opinion dude, but I think I'd rather believe what the president of Boca Junior Mauricio Macri said, that Banega "is a player like Gennaro Gatusso - but a little more skilful"
Don't believe everything Macri says, if it was for him and for the River Plate president the world will be full of Maradonas, Batistutas, Redondos and now Gatussos....I'm not saying the kid is not good, in fact he has a lot of potential but comparing him with Gatusso at this point of his career is simply ridiculous.
Those guys are always trying to increase a player price tag by saying "this player is like X star, but better", a clear example is what happened with Martin Palermo (I'm using him since he also was with Boca), he was supossed to be the next Batistuta, and they almost got away with it since they had both Real Madrid and Atletico de Madrid ready to pay 30+MM a few years ago, but then he missed 3 Penalty shots on the same game vs. Colombia on a Copa America and everyones started to question his mental strenght, he ended up with Villareal instead and the rest is history.
Banega will be a good buy for Milan at a reasonable price, but Boca (and River for that matter) are the Masters of getting the most of the buyer (ask Real Madrid), so I really wouldn't want Milan to get caught in their game, as I said Banega will good, but not for Brazillion Euros.
GilAttack [11]
28-09-2007, 19:12
And Macri isnt a soccer guy, he is a businessman (Macri = Mafia) that is using Boca Juniors in order to reach the country's presidency some years down the road.
And guys like Gattuso arent regarded as great soccer players in South America, just as a limited guy with tremendous heart.
Banega is a much better "soccer" player than Gattuso. Gattuso cant control the ball without losing it against the first defender, nor he has dribbling skills. Thats why I say that they are way different. Banega's motor is much more limited, he isnt a guy that would "break" the game as much as Gattuso. They could complement each other, Gattuso and Banega.
eltomas2
28-09-2007, 22:54
Martin Palermo (I'm using him since he also was with Boca), he was supossed to be the next Batistuta, and they almost got away with it since they had both Real Madrid and Atletico de Madrid ready to pay 30+MM a few years ago, but then he missed 3 Penalty shots on the same game vs. Colombia on a Copa America and everyones started to question his mental strenght, he ended up with Villareal instead and the rest is history.
HAHA, I remember that game, poor guy, talk about having a bad day, hehe
From what I've seen Banega is great at controlling the midfield. Yes he does gets stuck in there with some tough tackles and wins balls in the midfield but the strongest part of his game is his passing and vision. He gives a lot of assists forward and is very good at taking care of the ball. So I would say that his technical side is way better then his physical which is opposite then Gattuso. I really don't know why the Boca president would say that he is the new Gattuso.
GilAttack [11]
29-09-2007, 01:19
There is someone that sides with me....Banega :grinser:
From this saturday newspaper:
¿Hizo bien Macri en rechazar la oferta?
-El sabe bien lo que hace. Pero se equivocó en algo: él dijo que tengo un estilo parecido al de Gennaro Gattuso. El es un jugador de primer nivel, pero yo me anoto en la línea de Andrea Pirlo o Fernando Gago.
He was asked if Macri did the right thing rejecting Milan's offer. And he replies that Macri knows what he is doing but he got something wrong: his comparison between Banega and Gattuso. Banega says Gattuso is an elite player, but he is from the Andrea Pirlo / Fernando Gago "breed".
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slicknick
29-09-2007, 05:08
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And guys like Gattuso arent regarded as great soccer players in South America, just as a limited guy with tremendous heart.
Banega is a much better "soccer" player than Gattuso. Gattuso cant control the ball without losing it against the first defender, nor he has dribbling skills. Thats why I say that they are way different. Banega's motor is much more limited, he isnt a guy that would "break" the game as much as Gattuso. They could complement each other, Gattuso and Banega.
I second that, watched them both and they are not similar in style, though they are both fighters...In terms of fighting spirit and aggressiveness, Gattuso is ahead of Banega, but Banega has relatively good ball control and passing
Hasan Rossonero
29-09-2007, 07:06
Dida out of Celtic clash
Saturday 29 September, 2007
Nelson Dida looks set to miss the Champions League trip to Celtic, so Milan are looking to bring back Christian Abbiati in January.
The Brazilian picked up a tendon problem earlier this week and pulled out of Wednesday’s 2-1 defeat at Palermo.
However, further tests have reportedly highlighted an inflammation in the left shoulder that will keep him sidelined for 10 days.
Dida underwent surgery on his right shoulder last season and there are fears this could be a similar problem.
Zeljko Kalac takes the gloves and he also played when Milan last visited Celtic in the Champions League, keeping a clean sheet in the second round, first leg 0-0 draw.
The Australian has not always been entirely reliable and there were some question marks over his performance in the midweek 2-1 loss at Palermo.
With this in mind, the ‘Corriere dello Sport’ suggests that the club is looking to bring Abbiati back to San Siro in January.
He was loaned out to Atletico Madrid in the summer, but has not been given much first team football in Spain.
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My wish is coming true!!! :whie:
It is sad to say that most midfielders in top leagues are more skillful than our Rhino. But there are very few physically on par with him, not mention stronger. I can only think of some like Essien or Viera. Banega look smaller (1m74) and not very muscular, comparing him with Gattuso is ridiculous, IMO.
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