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inomilan
02-01-2008, 09:37
i think wif we hav to pay dat much for Benze, i say do it, coz it's about to spend some of dat hidden money

Mr. Anonymous
02-01-2008, 09:55
liverpool has sait they don't gonna sell 1 player in the winter break.
they want to talk in summer break only

mascherano, xabi alonso, sissoko are 3 players that are amazing.
we should get 1 of them to be in our midfield

Mascherano would be amazing signing.

Mystik
02-01-2008, 10:03
Do we really need another DM though ? In our usual 4-3-1-2 (when we actually have strikers available) we usually play just 1 DM. Right now we have 4 DM's: Ambro, Gattuso, Brocchi, Emerson. I think we have an excess in that department to be honest.

zafrul
02-01-2008, 10:41
Do we really need another DM though ? In our usual 4-3-1-2 (when we actually have strikers available) we usually play just 1 DM. Right now we have 4 DM's: Ambro, Gattuso, Brocchi, Emerson. I think we have an excess in that department to be honest.

Yup, totally agree, we've got toooooooo much DMs. Maybe if we sell Emerson and Brocchi...

The only player i would make an exception is Banega, that boy is something else...

GilAttack [11]
02-01-2008, 10:48
No way Rafa Benitez gives up on Mascherano. He is going to buy him.

And Banega is about to complete his move to Valencia. It could get done as soon as today.

Mr. Anonymous
02-01-2008, 10:52
Yup, totally agree, we've got toooooooo much DMs. Maybe if we sell Emerson and Brocchi...

The only player i would make an exception is Banega, that boy is something else...

Yes that's what I was thinking...depth is one thing. Quality depth is another.
We've have Brocchi & Emerson who IMO aren't the quality replacement needed off the bench if Gattuso or Ambro go down, or are having an off game.

They have to be sold (Brocchi & Emerson) for the Mascherano move to make sense.

He's quite young too...and could be a part of our team for the next 6 to 8 years.

zafrul
02-01-2008, 10:53
i would pay it, i think i read on goal that lyon want £25 mill for benzema. If you work out the rate of inflation, and how much talent costs thats not bad. :dconf: If inzaghi or Gilardino goes i would like G Rossi or Huntelaar to come in aswell.

Guys whoever we go for this summer we are gona get ripped off. Amauri isnt going to be cheap (considering Palermo hates us), and chelsea will want £27 for Drogba.

A strike force of

Benzema
Pato
Gilardino/inzaghi
G Rossi/ Huntelaar.

And maybe consider bringing either Pozzi, Borriello or Matri back at the end of the season.

Forget Ronaldinho and just pay the damn money and get another wonderkid... 2 wonderkids in front of Kaka... now that's what i called a freakin attack that's worthy of a team called Milan!!!

Giorgos
02-01-2008, 10:57
So............. can we buy Drogba or Benzema now? In contrast we can do it with Sheva.... otherwise start praying to score inside goals :mad: :mad: .

Kaka--7thUCL
02-01-2008, 11:17
huntelaar,benzema,zambrotta,ochoa/frey
we need these players to suceed this season.. I don't see many other escape routes from our poor form other then to buy players because its really all thats wrong with our club (aged/out of form players)..
I was getting excited again over our new interests in Ronaldinho and his uprise in availibility after the "El Prat" incident, however on goal it clearly states he will not be moving anywhere until end of the season for political reasons apparently..

inomilan
02-01-2008, 12:42
huntelaar,benzema,zambrotta,ochoa/frey
we need these players to suceed this season.. I don't see many other escape routes from our poor form other then to buy players because its really all thats wrong with our club (aged/out of form players)..
I was getting excited again over our new interests in Ronaldinho and his uprise in availibility after the "El Prat" incident, however on goal it clearly states he will not be moving anywhere until end of the season for political reasons apparently..
u should only expect Frey/Ochoa, Huntelaar, and Benzema in summer not now where theire clubs need them d most
only Zambro is possible for this winter

prifess
02-01-2008, 12:45
Do we really need another DM though ? In our usual 4-3-1-2 (when we actually have strikers available) we usually play just 1 DM. Right now we have 4 DM's: Ambro, Gattuso, Brocchi, Emerson. I think we have an excess in that department to be honest.
well sell amrbo, brocchi, emerson, gattuso IMO

mascherano, xabi alonso, banega and sissoko are better. we need 1 DMC and that's 1 of them.
but a second DMC is also necessay if 1 of those will be injured. a young talented 1 of our own youth...

but we are saying alot of things. due to are management we need half a new squad

1 DC / 1 LB / 1 DMC / 1 AMC / 1 striker / 1 GK (ochoa or akinfeev)

Jim_UK
02-01-2008, 12:46
Zampa's recent statement about willing to sell to us is encouraging, though naturally it requires us to make a bid for Amauri first :D

Initial prices are around £16 million for him, around the same mark as both Henry & Ibrahimovic, i don't think it would be alot more than that. I would use Gilardino in the deal, which could knock a minimum of £7 million off of any price.

Talk about Mascherano is premature as i highly doubt Liverpool will pass up the opportunity of securing him. The only way that can possibly happen is if the owners decide not to stump up the cash, which i'm sure Beni will make them do.

Additionally, as already mentioned we could do with another top quality DM. As previously stated, Brocchi & Emerson are questionable in their abilities and after seeing some of Ambrosini's displays this season, i'd question wether he's good enough either. Maybe it's an attitude problem that effects the whole squad, but at times he seems less than enthusiastic about closing people down. Compare that to a Mascherano, Essien, Banega or even Diarra, who hound people all over the park and i think you can say that Ambrosini can be improved upon. It would be no bad thing to have a DM of the calibre of the players i just mentioned and have the 3 of them (Gattuso, Ambrosini, new player) battle & compete with each other for the 2 starting spots and 1 bench role. It would mean more rest for the engine room of our side and more determination to put in a good performance.

mrki
02-01-2008, 13:10
well sell amrbo, brocchi, emerson, gattuso IMO




Sell Gattuso and Ambro? Are you nerroazzuro???

banega would do the job and then we can sell both Brocchi and Emerson, aldough i dont se Brocchi leaving Milan for some EXTREMELY UNKNOWN reason - he is always here! Like Zebina in Juve.

Arildonardo
02-01-2008, 16:12
Lyon's 35 million Euro asking price for Benzema is crazy. But they know we are desperate to reinforce our squad so they try to put pressure on us with these prices. I fear that also other clubs will do the same thing...

GilAttack [11]
02-01-2008, 16:58
Have people watched Ochoa playing for America or do they guide themseleves with Football Manager?
IMO he is overrated as a keeper, he makes tons of stupid mistakes but then he can impress with an spectacular save. Not a big fan of him.

remote2book
02-01-2008, 17:38
Lyon's 35 million Euro asking price for Benzema is crazy. But they know we are desperate to reinforce our squad so they try to put pressure on us with these prices. I fear that also other clubs will do the same thing...

it could be but i think benzema is worth it...

Giovanni
02-01-2008, 17:46
The most closely followed player by Braida in the last seasons among the young midfielders hasn't yet been named in this thread: Cigarini of Parma.

Capo Ultra
02-01-2008, 18:06
The most closely followed player by Braida in the last seasons among the young midfielders hasn't yet been named in this thread: Cigarini of Parma.

Cigarini would be a fantastic addition to our squad. Everytime I see him play, I'm amazed. His vision, passing and technique are stunning and he's only 21. He's a great regista and definitely the next Pirlo. Cigarini is light years ahead of Bolzoni.

Siregar
02-01-2008, 21:17
What is regista by the way?

remote2book
02-01-2008, 22:04
how about nicolas anelka from bolton? ive said it before i think he would have an imidiate impact hes waiting on big clubs to make offers for him...he is a really good versitile striker......anelka in the winter..benzema in the summer...and the thing with anelka is he hasnt played in the CL so he isnt cuptied and would be able to participate in the CL for us

MLM
02-01-2008, 22:44
how about nicolas anelka from bolton? ive said it before i think he would have an imidiate impact hes waiting on big clubs to make offers for him...he is a really good versitile striker......anelka in the winter..benzema in the summer...and the thing with anelka is he hasnt played in the CL so he isnt cuptied and would be able to participate in the CL for us

last news is Chelsea wants him in this January transfer window.Chelsea lose Drogba for Africa 2008 so they need another striker beside Sheva.

shivir
03-01-2008, 01:28
Sometimes I wonder why we are talking about Pato being a failure before hes even played a game for us.. if youve seen the lad play he is quite sensational... and we have the right staff to get him physically in shape... so heres wishing him 20 goals in 6 months.... and the rebuilding for the future.. Digao, Bonera, Grimi, Gourcuff, Gilla, Kaka, Pato, all seem fairly young with a substantial amount of fottball ahead of them.. we should sign De Rossi as a potential boot filler for Pirlo when he decideds to go... Fabio Quagliarella to replace Ronny and a new keeper.. Dida just has to go.. Marco Amelia!!!

kris
03-01-2008, 02:25
What is regista by the way?

deep lying playmaker. Like Pirlo.

Giovanni
03-01-2008, 03:24
Regista is the italian word for movie director..italian languange is pretty figurative, so i think it tells a lot about the role of regista as a special effect movie director

dejan.s
03-01-2008, 04:29
Ferrari, Channel 4 says he is a free agent.
Flamini.

Siregar
03-01-2008, 04:41
Thank you mates for the explanations.

Nalx
03-01-2008, 04:41
deep lying playmaker. Like Pirlo.

Yeah, for years we couldn't find someone good enough as Pirlo's back up. There's a rumour that we're trying to get Frey and Pazzini from Fiorentina. The latter is not what we need IMO, I prefer Montolivo.

About GK, I think Carletto will stick to with Dida and Kalac, at least until the season ends. New GK will need more time to adapt with the defenders.

The same thing goes with Ronnie. Winning the UCL is the only thing that can save our season. And there aren't many proven strikers that aren't cup-tied, so it's better to keep him

Arildonardo
03-01-2008, 05:43
Sometimes I wonder why we are talking about Pato being a failure before hes even played a game for us.. if youve seen the lad play he is quite sensational... and we have the right staff to get him physically in shape... so heres wishing him 20 goals in 6 months....
I've never seen anyone in here claiming that Pato is a failure, where or who did you get that from?!? Some people, myself included, just think that it's unfair to the boy to compare him to Ronaldinho or whoever before he has done anything at the highest level. It just adds more unnecessary pressure on him. I'm sure he will be a great acquisition for Milan, but let's give him the time he (probably) needs. Although nothing would be better than if he became an instant hit...

Forza Pato! :5schal:

GilAttack [11]
03-01-2008, 07:19
I've never seen anyone in here claiming that Pato is a failure, where or who did you get that from?!? Some people, myself included, just think that it's unfair to the boy to compare him to Ronaldinho or whoever before he has done anything at the highest level.

And BETTER than Messi ;)

mrki
03-01-2008, 07:40
Ferrari, Channel 4 says he is a free agent.
Flamini.

I'd take them both in Milan for next season, then can do their job ok.

AS Giovannni said, Cigarini looks very good indeed. But Im afraid Juve has all the young italians in their pockets somehow...

Anyway: Ivanovic to Chelsea, not unexpected, Banega to Valencia...

Mystik
03-01-2008, 08:04
“Personally I have not asked the club for the arrival of a new attacker, even in the case that Ronaldo’s recovery would be impossible. I believe that the squad of attackers can remain unaltered because, I repeat, the addition of Pato will allow us to make use of various alternatives. I’m convinced that the team, at the end of the January market, will remain unaltered.

http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=59212

For some strange reason I can actually believe Carlo when he says he hasn't asked for any attackers. Seems he plans on mainly using the 4-3-2-1 in the second half of the season.

Giorgos
03-01-2008, 08:13
Toni stated that he had signed a contract with Milan before signing for Bayern i will search for the source.

Capo Ultra
03-01-2008, 08:54
Toni stated that he had signed a contract with Milan before signing for Bayern i will search for the source.

Il Giornale wrote it today.

"Sapete tutti che sono stato vicino all'Inter due anni fa e anche la Juve mi cerò. Con il Milan, però, ero andato oltre: avevo già messo la firma sul contratto".

mrki
03-01-2008, 09:04
if you want an italian replacement for Pirlo and a player of calibar like Aquilani...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYISvJNPOW0

Why can we solve some of midfield problems ike this, some young italian players, there are some other players other than braziliani...

Giovanni
03-01-2008, 09:19
Ferrari, Channel 4 says he is a free agent.


Ferrari, one of the two central back in Inter- Milan 0-6...useless.

Giorgos
03-01-2008, 09:23
Ivanovic go to Chelsea while at the same time some of you say... why change the team, Sheva is old, Drogba is not for Milan, go Galliani!.

Giovanni
03-01-2008, 09:23
if you want an italian replacement for Pirlo and a player of calibar like Aquilani...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYISvJNPOW0

Why can we solve some of midfield problems ike this, some young italian players, there are some other players other than braziliani...
agree, and these players are much less hyped than many others. I think we didn't challenge for Banega because we don't want to pay 18 M for a mid, although promising.
Inter signed Cambiasso as free agent. We signed Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambro and Seedorf for no more than 10 M alltogether. If you look around you'll find plenty of top mids without paying crazy prices.

Giovanni
03-01-2008, 09:26
Ivanovic go to Chelsea while at the same time some of you say... why change the team, Sheva is old, Drogba is not for Milan, go Galliani!.
Ivanovic seems to me another Vidic like player... As well as Vidic, this guy is sooo much hyped by the media. I would find tons of Serie A players who can form a decent centre back..just look at Bonera: costed a few millions and he will be Italian international after the era of Cannavaro and Nesta,m pairing with Barzagli..
Barzagli is a player i would spend even 10 M.
Former Jugoslavia countries fail to procduce a world class centre back since the Big Bang...

Giorgos
03-01-2008, 09:35
Ivanovic seems to me another Vidic like player... As well as Vidic, this guy is sooo much hyped by the media. I would find tons of Serie A players who can form a decent centre back..just look at Bonera: costed a few millions and he will be Italian international after the era of Cannavaro and Nesta,m pairing with Barzagli..
Barzagli is a player i would spend even 10 M.
Former Jugoslavia countries fail to procduce a world class centre back since the Big Bang...

So Gio any players you believe we should sign?

:u56:

Giorgos
03-01-2008, 09:40
Chealse will go for Alves and Villa, Mirror

Siregar
03-01-2008, 09:47
We signed Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambro and Seedorf for no more than 10 M alltogether.

As far as I know, we signed Pirlo for about 10 mil pounds and Seedorf for about 13 mil pounds plus Coco.

Tony29.
03-01-2008, 09:58
Former Jugoslavia countries fail to procduce a world class centre back since the Big Bang...
The same could be said for Italy. The last WC centre back Italy produced was 31 years old Sandro Nesta (almost 32 yo) and people still think Italians produce the best Cb's.

Barzagli is a player i watched a lot and he's a player i wouldn't spend more than 1 mil EUR. He played 2 good matches for the Azzuri and he was awful for Palermo in last year and a half, especially in the matches against the big trio teams when he was badly owned by Cruz, Iaquinta and Gilardino.
Bonera....i think you're overrating him a lot. He'll be 27 in few months and he's 4th choice Cb in Milan, behind Kaladze (very good defender but not WC) and almost 40 yo Maldini. If he was that good i'm sure Ancelotti wouldn't have kept him on the bench match after match. He would have surely gotten more chances than Kaladze.
Perhaps the only one who can become WC one day is Chiellini but even he is light years away from the quality Nesta posses and he's more of a Materazzi-like Cb.


As for Ivanovic, i didn't see much of him and i believe the same could be said about you. But when an Eastern European defender who plays in Russian league is getting all this interest and when all the best teams in the world are trying to get him then there must be something about him.
If he was Brazilian, Argie, Italian, Dutch, French or English i'd agree that he may be a hype but you don't see often a Serbian RB being hyped and having all the best teams after him.

Although, you're spot on when you say that ex-Yu countries don't produce WC centre backs.

zafrul
03-01-2008, 10:09
I have a feeling we are all going to be sorely disappointed by the Winter Mercato...

After months and months of talking about which players Milan should buy, I have a great big feeling that it's going to turn out like this Summer's Mercato...

prifess
03-01-2008, 10:16
I have a feeling we are all going to be sorely disappointed by the Winter Mercato...

After months and months of talking about which players Milan should buy, I have a great big feeling that it's going to turn out like this Summer's Mercato...
well i agree with you. the winter mercato will be the same as our tranfer policy the last 2 years...

i am already disappointed in milan about our summer mercato, and i think the winter will be the same :1old: (always old players)

luckyly we have signed pato

Giovanni
03-01-2008, 10:45
The same could be said for Italy. The last WC centre back Italy produced was 31 years old Sandro Nesta (almost 32 yo) and people still think Italians produce the best Cb's.

Barzagli is a player i watched a lot and he's a player i wouldn't spend more than 1 mil EUR. He played 2 good matches for the Azzuri and he was awful for Palermo in last year and a half, especially in the matches against the big trio teams when he was badly owned by Cruz, Iaquinta and Gilardino.
Bonera....i think you're overrating him a lot. He'll be 27 in few months and he's 4th choice Cb in Milan, behind Kaladze (very good defender but not WC) and almost 40 yo Maldini. If he was that good i'm sure Ancelotti wouldn't have kept him on the bench match after match. He would have surely gotten more chances than Kaladze.
Perhaps the only one who can become WC one day is Chiellini but even he is light years away from the quality Nesta posses and he's more of a Materazzi-like Cb.



Not being Michelangelo or Leonardo doesn't mean you can't be Picasso or Vermeer.

1. BARZAGLI: Barzagli was Lippi's first choice among the new generation of Italian players. He may be not Nesta, but i'd pick him over any other young defender in the world. The fact he wasn't brilliant with Palermo tells a lot about Palermo weaknesses, not Barzagli's. Every top class defender, put into a rubbish team, would fail to impress.
The prove is that Barzagli did always well when he played for Italy (and he played more than a couple of games, maybe you didn't watch them).

2.BONERA: i think he's an excellent defender, and we all know defenders get at their best between 28 and 32 years old. Maybe even later (Cannavaro was 33 at bthe last WC). Being fourth choice at Milan, considering this team has produced many of the best defender in football history, is to be considered a great honour. I watched all his games, and he is getting more secure and solid every game. I'm sure he's a great defender, and much more worthy than many useless hyped players around.

3. CHIELLINI: agree. Another brilliant prospect.

If he was Brazilian, Argie, Italian, Dutch, French or English i'd agree that he may be a hype but you don't see often a Serbian RB being hyped and having all the best teams after him.


Nemanja Vidic is the last serbian (?) hyped genius...We still owe him 2 goals in the Milan v United semifinal

Giovanni
03-01-2008, 10:50
As far as I know, we signed Pirlo for about 10 mil pounds and Seedorf for about 13 mil pounds plus Coco.
We signed Pirlo and Seedorf for Brncic and Guglielminpietro + a few bus tickets and a couple of McDonalds meals.

:dcool:

One of the best and most devilish plots ever conceived by the baldie :pr115:

slicknick
03-01-2008, 11:30
Missed out on Banega, he signed for Valencia :(

Tony29.
03-01-2008, 11:33
1. BARZAGLI: Barzagli was Lippi's first choice among the new generation of Italian players. He may be not Nesta, but i'd pick him over any other young defender in the world. The fact he wasn't brilliant with Palermo tells a lot about Palermo weaknesses, not Barzagli's. Every top class defender, put into a rubbish team, would fail to impress.
The prove is that Barzagli did always well when he played for Italy (and he played more than a couple of games, maybe you didn't watch them).
The fact that he was Lippi's first choice among the younger defenders doesn't say much about his quality as much as it says about the quality of Italian Cb's outside the big trio (Nesta, Matrix, Cannavaro).
Barzagli did have a solid season with Palermo and he deserved the call, but who was (and who is now) his rival for that spot ?
Bonera and Panucci played RB before the WC 2006, Chiellini was way too young and inexperienced. The ones left are : Gamberini, Legrottaglie, Ferrari, Belleri, Galante, Terlizzi, Domizzi, Sala, Natali.
Is it a huge achievement to be better than these guys ?

As for him not being brilliant for Palermo (he's been awful actually) it's little harsh to blame it on the others. Palermo has the worst defense in serie A after Cagliari and their keeper is among the best ones this season. So it's not Fontana that is bad but it's the defense. Their defense sucks and the one to blame must be Barzagli because he should be the leader. It's not true that even WC defenders will do bad in Palermo's defense. Didn't Materazzi lead Peruggia's defense and wasn't he head and shoulders above everyone else in Peruggia ? Isn't Chiellini playing perfectly even though he has Zebina, Legrottaglie and Molinaro next to him ?
Especially if he's surounded with bad defenders he should prove his worth because then it's much easier for a quality player to look better.

Barzagli lacks leadership qualities, he lacks character, his positioning is very bad.
Really, i may be wrong, but i watched him many times and he was almost always a catatrophe.

2.BONERA: i think he's an excellent defender, and we all know defenders get at their best between 28 and 32 years old. Maybe even later (Cannavaro was 33 at bthe last WC). Being fourth choice at Milan, considering this team has produced many of the best defender in football history, is to be considered a great honour. I watched all his games, and he is getting more secure and solid every game. I'm sure he's a great defender, and much more worthy than many useless hyped players around.
I don't doubt Bonera's qualities. I think he's a very good defender. But he's a long way to go to become a world class.
Being 4th choice defender for Milan should be a honour but if you're 4th choice in Milan for two years in a row and when your rivals aren't Baresi-25 yo Maldini but your rivals are 39 years old Maldini and Kakha Kaladze then it means that you're not developing as expected.
Bonera is 26 ( or 27 ?), still not in an age where Cb's play their best football, but it's still an age where a potential world class Cb should be playing regularly, even in a team like Milan.
There must be a reason why Ancelotti didn't promote him to be at least the 3rd choice Cb in Milan.

But i do rate him, at least i rate him much more than Barzagli, and i think that there are still chances for Bonera to make it to the azzuri and play regularly there





Nemanja Vidic is the last serbian (?) hyped genius...We still owe him 2 goals in the Milan v United semifinal
I'm not a big fan of Vidic.
I do agree that he's hyped a lot but you must remember that his hype started after he joined the most hyped league and the most hyped team in the world. Outside the Balkans not many people knew about him until he was transfered to ManU and not many teams were after him.
With Ivanovic it's different. He led his u21 team twice to the EC u21 final, he was being chosen for team of the tournament and all who watched him agree that the kid plays superb football for Serbian NT and for his Russian team.
I have no idea how good he really is, but comming from EE shouldn't be a reason why he won't become WC. If all these teams are after an EE player, defender, who plays in Russian league, then i'm sure there must be something about him.

As for Vidic vs Milan..... i never thought of Vidic as a world class but he is good and one match where he played injured (he missed the 1st leg and many EPL matches before the second leg in Milano and he was forced to play the 2nd leg because Ferguson had no defenders at all) shouldn't be a reason to say that he's no good.

thomas_h
03-01-2008, 11:37
at least, we must get zambrotta this month . . . a striker ( dream come true )
I hope Ronaldo can play 10-15 matches after this winter break

Jim_UK
03-01-2008, 11:56
Ivanovic seems to me another Vidic like player... As well as Vidic, this guy is sooo much hyped by the media. I would find tons of Serie A players who can form a decent centre back..just look at Bonera: costed a few millions and he will be Italian international after the era of Cannavaro and Nesta,m pairing with Barzagli..
Barzagli is a player i would spend even 10 M.
Former Jugoslavia countries fail to procduce a world class centre back since the Big Bang...


I think Vidic is a good player, incredibly strong and quick. I've not seen anything of Ivanovic so i don't know about him :dontkn:

zafrul
03-01-2008, 12:07
Missed out on Banega, he signed for Valencia :(

Sigh... this boy is special, pretty sad to miss out on him...

Some may say he has some bad games, but hell, he's 19... and he basically ran the Boca team in a World Club Cup against European champions Milan!

If that ain't special, I don't know what is...

prifess
03-01-2008, 12:09
i like daniel agger. he is also young and seen as a world class defender.

barzagli i agree with giovanni. he will be 1 of best DC in world IMO. he can learn alot.

kompany is also a world class defender in progress... you should watch that guy. (nowadays in HSV they put him at DMC position)

prifess
03-01-2008, 12:10
Sigh... this boy is special, pretty sad to miss out on him...

Some may say he has some bad games, but hell, he's 19... and he basically ran the Boca team in a World Club Cup against European champions Milan!

If that ain't special, I don't know what is...

he is special idd :)
but probably because he ain't brazilian. berlu don't want to buy him :s

thomas_h
03-01-2008, 12:11
for mr Galliani to read !!


http://soccerlens.com/top-50-most-exciting-teen-footballers-2007/4258/

prifess
03-01-2008, 12:13
for mr Galliani to read !!


http://soccerlens.com/top-50-most-exciting-teen-footballers-2007/4258/
idd a nice list, but I know more players he can get. but they are probably to young for him. he want +28YO.

zafrul
03-01-2008, 12:18
at least, we must get zambrotta this month . . . a striker ( dream come true )
I hope Ronaldo can play 10-15 matches after this winter break

Zambrotta has been overdue in Milan since 2005! If we can use CAfu and Serginho till 37, means he has 6 more wonderful years at top flight football...

Forget young Alves or De Silvestry (spelled correctly?), just forget them...

We are HOPING for our star striker to PLAY 10-15 games? Not hoping that he scores, just hope that Ronaldo can play in a game... I don't know if I should laugh or cry...

Galliani must love House too much, I guess that explains signing players with all sorts of problems and trying to fix them... Dr. Galliani 'House'... Rivaldo, Vieri, Ronaldo, Emerson, Oliviera and of course most challenging case ever, Mr. Ba! Now that Dida has turned into a 'house' case, there's no way he's leaving...

Sorry guys if i'm starting to talk crap... I'm just frustrated as hell...

Jim_UK
03-01-2008, 12:20
i like daniel agger. he is also young and seen as a world class defender.

barzagli i agree with giovanni. he will be 1 of best DC in world IMO. he can learn alot.

kompany is also a world class defender in progress... you should watch that guy. (nowadays in HSV they put him at DMC position)


Agger is quality. Composed and can bring the ball out of defence well. Plus he's got a bit of a hammer in his boot too! I think he's only 23 or 24, has alot of potential.

I still think Zapata is the way to go. Zapata & Lucio would see us right i think.

What about Bosingwa for a rb possibility?

zafrul
03-01-2008, 12:22
idd a nice list, but I know more players he can get. but they are probably to young for him. he want +28YO.

+28YO is quite close, but +31YO hits the spot with Galliani!

mrki
03-01-2008, 12:26
Im standing 110% behind the statement than Vedran Corluka is 2 times better player than bothe bonera and Barzagli. The man has 21 year and plays as a CB, RB and even DM now for City! And its not just that, you need to look at the way he plays, ready the play, defends, passes and controls the space to realise this guy is something special.

if he was Italian or French he would cost 35 mln by now...

prifess
03-01-2008, 12:30
Im standing 110% behind the statement than Vedran Corluka is 2 times better player than bothe bonera and Barzagli. The man has 21 year and plays as a CB, RB and even DM now for City! And its not just that, you need to look at the way he plays, ready the play, defends, passes and controls the space to realise this guy is something special.

if he was Italian or French he would cost 35 mln by now...
kompany of HSV can play on DR, DC , DMC position (even in attack due to his technical skills)
he will cost no more then 20 mio€ i think

Tony75
03-01-2008, 12:38
Kompany is class. I'd take him or Zapata & recall Marzoratti for our central defence options.

mrki
03-01-2008, 12:46
I don't doubt Bonera's qualities. I think he's a very good defender. But he's a long way to go to become a world class.
Being 4th choice defender for Milan should be a honour but if you're 4th choice in Milan for two years in a row and when your rivals aren't Baresi-25 yo Maldini but your rivals are 39 years old Maldini and Kakha Kaladze then it means that you're not developing as expected.


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Tony its extremly strange situation at Milan as its not easy to replace Maldini. Paolo is not just a defender who has 39 years, Maldini is something special, and even in that age he is a leader and played some superb matches in UCL for us.

And KAladze is, by my standards, way better player than bonera and actually an exceleny CB that is extremly underrated just becouse he is Georgian.

Giorgos
03-01-2008, 13:03
kompany of HSV can play on DR, DC , DMC position (even in attack due to his technical skills)
he will cost no more then 20 mio€ i think

Kompany i haven't seen him, his ratings in FM are excellent, Agger is a very good defender but Liverpool will not leave him, i didn't see Barzaghli, Zapata. I have seen Corluca a little bit and he is excellent defender. Vidic, he is not old and he makes very good games... for Gio when we score against him out mid-attck could not be stopped....

Giovanni
03-01-2008, 13:04
Bonera's positioning is almost perfect. He's 25 yo. This guy can just dramatically improve. I don't see many as good defenders at the same age.

Barzagli: i disagree with Tony. It's just his opinion that Barzagli isn't good enough. IMO he's world class. And with a bit of experience he can turn to become another great italian defender.

I think the best schools for defenders are the italian and the argentinian. Which doesn't guarantee a top defender can't pop up elsewhere. But the general average lever is higher.

Giorgos
03-01-2008, 13:07
About Bonera he is a very good defender.... but not still capable for WC games... i can find equal Greek defenders....

Kimono
03-01-2008, 13:30
Guyz

Bonera+ Barzagli= average defenders

The only reason people talk about them as WC is because they are Italian

Kaladze is better than both but even Kala is not WC


Pls can somebody help us clone Nesta?? :D

Giorgos
03-01-2008, 13:39
Even f...ing Olympiakos Pireues signed Bellucci from River for 10 million euros, why Milan to give that amount of money.................!!!!!!!!!!.

Tony75
03-01-2008, 13:42
Bonera is adecent defender, not WC. IMO Kaladze has shown himself to be. If Vidic & Ferdinand are, then so is Kala. We are set for central defence bar subs option. Other than Bonera we need another player, and maybe a youngster. We've been linked with an 18 year old Brazilian from International called Sidnei, cd. Anyone know anything about him?

Hasan Rossonero
03-01-2008, 13:56
Bonera, Barzagli, and Kaladze are all good players. They're definitely not world class.

Giovanni
03-01-2008, 14:19
Kaladze has become a top defender during 2006 season (at the age of 27 y o). Before that his defensive skills weren't impressive.
This proves that, having excellent basics, which Bonera and Barzagli undoubtely have, with a bit of experience and working hard a defender can become world class.
If Kaladze isn't world class, then who is? If Maldini is the standard there are no world class defenders in modern football...not even Nesta (which is a great but his career doesn't come close to Paolo's one)

I think Bonera and Barzagli will replace Cannavaro and Nesta and whoever is starter for Italy NT at major competitions (with some shameful exceptions) can be said a worldclass player, which plays on world stage at every top competition.

Cannavaro's defending was good but nothing close to his WC performances till his early 30's. Nesta is a class above, we know that, but when he was young he was miles behind the monuments of the italian football. Materazzi has developed his game after his 30's.

I think Bonera and Barzagli are good bets as world class players. Not now, maybe, but definitely for the future.

Tony75
03-01-2008, 14:23
Kaladze is a class above those two. extremely underated due to nationality.

Giovanni
03-01-2008, 14:31
Kaladze is a class above those two. extremely underated due to nationality.
I still fail to understand a decent explanation behind your statements... Why is he a class above? Was he a class above them at the same age? No, i don't think so.
A class above, which is very often mistake prone though... (and it comes from an admirer of him )..a class above means you rarely make a mistake, while the good old Kala on his day is unbeatable, but sometimes is brain turn off the light and makes absolutely crazy backpasses or orizontal passes (which many times are intercepted by strikers) ...in the defender basics this doesn't come as a class above.

Kaladze (i remark i like him) can only dream of Bonera's positioning. Bonera is quicker than Kala, though Kala is a better header.

Kaladze is a built up defender. He doesn't have it in his dna. Despite that i consider him a world class defender. But he surely isn't a class above Bonera or Barzagli, which are 3 years younger.

Siregar
03-01-2008, 14:57
I rate Kaladze more than Bonera. In my opinion, Khaladze is much faster than Bonera. Bonera lacks of acceleration when he runs, something that Khaladze does/has better. Khaladze has done some great saves/tackles after ran 1v1 with the opponent.

I like Bonera and last year I thought he was already developing into a world class defender after some plays in the centre of defence. But then I saw that he is not yet a world class DC after watching the second milan derby last season. He was too slow and beaten too easily by Ibrahimovic. I now how danger Ibra is but his performance in that match was far enough from a great defender should do.

Bonera is a great back up for Nesta and Khaladze especially after Maldini retired. He would still one of best defender in his age.

Jim_UK
03-01-2008, 15:11
Kaladze has come a long way, but i don't think he's a good cb. He's too indecisive at times and is just prone to complete lapses of concentration.

He's a decent player, but nothing more.

Tony75
03-01-2008, 15:24
At the age of 21 Kaladze was lighting up the CL for an excellent Kyiv team,whilst Bonera & Barzagli have yet to perform at that level in any shape or form. Good players, but not as good as Kaladze.

ACMILAN1983
03-01-2008, 15:56
Interesting debate on defenders here. For me Kaladze could be world class and a couple of years ago was playing at a world class standard in CB when him and Nesta formed a wall. Kaladze's biggest problem this year and last has been consistency, where he's been regularly getting injured and when he does return doesn't have the time to fit back into the side. However, I'm confident with consistency he will continue to improve and reach the standards we desire, and though he's played at Milan in a number of roles, let's not forget he started out his career in the CB role he's playing now.

Bonera's still very young for a defender, and though I potentially see a world class defender in him, he's got a long way to go. Physically and tactically he's a very good player at CB, but I think his problem is dealing with pressure, especially in big games. Last season in almost every game we saw him he was excellent, confident and strong and really showed that he could well be a top class player, but when he faced Inter I was quite shocked at his performance, which really was below the standard of what we'd seen prior to that match. I think if we take care of him then we have a gem, though so far this season he's only really played RB, which I don't think will help.

Barzagli I think is a little overhyped, and personally I think Bonera (who I think is more talented) did better last season. However, I'm confident he will become a world class defender in the next 3-5 years, as he's very solid, confident and consistent. However, to reach the heights expected of him, he has to leave Palermo now.

If I'm honest, I don't think any of the aforementioned are world class, but I do genuinely believe all three could become world class. Kaladze for me is on the cusp of reaching the standard, but needs to perform with consistency. Barzagli will reach the standard eventually, but isn't at that level yet. Bonera is the hardest to predict for me, as I think he could possibly become the best of the three, yet at the same time he's looking least likely to tap his potential.

Unfortunately for these guys, as players like Nesta, Cannavaro and Maldini have preceded them, expectations of them are impossibly high, as those guys are modern day legends who have been playing at the highest level since their very early 20's.

Giovanni
04-01-2008, 03:46
At the age of 21 Kaladze was lighting up the CL for an excellent Kyiv team,whilst Bonera & Barzagli have yet to perform at that level in any shape or form. Good players, but not as good as Kaladze.

He was playing as midfielder in Dinamo Kyiv.
He has played in many roles at Milan: firstly midfielder, then as left back for many seasons at Milan and has become a CB in 2006.
Not a natural born defender.

Barzagli has played a WC second round and quarter finals, replacing Materazzi (red card v Australia) and being absolutely good! He was praised by all Italian papers.

I think now Kaladze is a better defender, considering he's 3 years older. What makes him a better defender is that toughness and bullish presence that keeps the strikers under control. But overall Bonera and Barzagli's positioning, knowledge of the defence and command is better.
In time to come no doubt Barzagli and Bonera will overtake the good old Kaladze, which is nonetheless an excellent defender.

PS. when i talk about Bonera i consider him performances as centre back (and not his full back role).

Makedonac
04-01-2008, 03:49
Ancelotti: We Will Sign No One In January

AC Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti says that he doesn’t expect the club to make any signings during the January transfer window.
The Rossoneri may have won both the European Super Cup and the World Club Cup already this season, however they have been struggling terribly domestically and are currently languishing in 12th position in Serie A, 25 points behind league-leading city rivals Inter.



This has led to calls that Milan simply have to make some acquisitions in January if they want to retain some hope of not only retaining their Champions League crown, but also finishing in the top four in order to guarantee qualification for next season’s edition of Europe’s premier club competition.



Teenage wonderkid Alexandre Pato will be eligible to play when Serie A resumes after the winter break, and Ancelotti insists that he will be the only new member of the team.



“I have never asked the club to sign new strikers, even if Ronaldo’s recovery isn’t quick,” Carletto insisted.

“The addition of Pato will give us different options and I’m convinced that we will remain unchanged at the end of the month.”



Milan will be hoping to break their San Siro taboo in the league when they host Napoli on January 13.

dejan.s
04-01-2008, 04:16
I am reading Goal.com, and I’m crying.
In “Milan Will Bounce Back – Ancelotti” AC Milan coach wonder if we can beat Arsenal in CL and express his satisfaction with fourth place in national league.
I can’t believe!
Mr. Berlusconi and Mr. Galliani, can you tolerate mediocre leader of the team?! Can you keep coach who doesn’t work for titles, but for fourth place?! With this attitude how can you expect to lure players to sign for the team he coach?! Will, next summer transfer window, AC Milan sign elite players or they will sign for another team that have booked place in CL?! Remember Calciopoli and Ibrahimovic?!
I appreciate Ancelotti’s work, but this is enough.
Please, replace him, as soon as possible.

dejan.s
04-01-2008, 04:29
Goal.com and article "Ronaldo Blames Milan For Injuries"

If this is true then I hope he will never play for AC Milan!

Giorgos
04-01-2008, 04:35
I am reading Goal.com, and I’m crying.
In “Milan Will Bounce Back – Ancelotti” AC Milan coach wonder if we can beat Arsenal in CL and express his satisfaction with fourth place in national league.
I can’t believe!
Mr. Berlusconi and Mr. Galliani, can you tolerate mediocre leader of the team?! Can you keep coach who doesn’t work for titles, but for fourth place?! With this attitude how can you expect to lure players to sign for the team he coach?! Will, next summer transfer window, AC Milan sign elite players or they will sign for another team that have booked place in CL?! Remember Calciopoli and Ibrahimovic?!
I appreciate Ancelotti’s work, but this is enough.
Please, replace him, as soon as possible.

Did you think that the target of Ancelotti comes as a result of the transfer policy of the board? :bright:

Giorgos
04-01-2008, 04:42
For the moderators!! if politics will not stop now (about Macedonia), i will start speaking about it in Greek....

prifess
04-01-2008, 05:00
i just can't understand the manegment opion about signing nobody... all possible star players will be sold again before us...
can't berlu , galliani & braida see that we need to strongen up our team!
will we be playing for 4th place again???????(that's sad)

lets hope for the summer mercato!

inomilan
04-01-2008, 08:22
http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=535017
Milan Line Up Flamengo Goalkeeper Bruno

just saw vids of him...seems very good and he's big too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nua3QClaUYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFVJ4KfpYog&feature=related

has anyone seen him play other than in d vids? if there r, is he really really good?

Giovanni
04-01-2008, 08:36
i just can't understand the manegment opion about signing nobody... all possible star players will be sold again before us...
can't berlu , galliani & braida see that we need to strongen up our team!
will we be playing for 4th place again???????(that's sad)

lets hope for the summer mercato!
let's imagine you would like to buy and i'd like to sell something. would you tell me that you are in desperate need for this thing? i don't think so...i would higher the price immediately

that's how market goes. deny deny deny (and what a beautiful liar galliani is... :proud: ) . he doesn't understand a damn about football, but about management he can teach a thing or two...

i think the difference between now and the past is that now he doesn't get full financial support from the presidency, and he must use the moneys very wisely ...sometimes things go wrong (oliveira) but mostly things go well

we have the best young player around...Pato ( every top club wanted him) is not enough for the january market? i don't think the january market brings great signings..we have to wait for the summer to sign top players..

hishamilan
04-01-2008, 08:37
never mind ancelotti ... he is a doll saying what the directors tell him ... galliani is -i think- trying to sign many players but his fees aren't at all matching other teams requirements so he says these words to make us satisfied by one or two players ... can you believe that? ... man u the perfect team concerning players bought 2 players already ( anglian striker and an english midf???? ) and still look for bosingwa and berbatov ... this is the attitude of teams that wins leagues , cups and UCL ... if you guy want that team to win titles , we must get immediate replacements for the departing players like:
serginho-favalli...... zambrotta
cafu.................... serna/ bosingwa
dida.................... steklenberg/boruc/amelia
maldini................ canna/zapata/corluca
seedorf(summer).. deguzman/rosina/modric
ronaldo............... huntelaar/benzemma

hishamilan
04-01-2008, 08:44
we will pay 110 mil. euros (ronaldinhos fees) to get:
zammbrotta..................15mil.
serna/bosingwa.............15mil.
amelia.........................10mil.
corluca+canna..............30mil.
deguzzman/modric.........15mil.
huntelaar/benzemma......25mil.
then we will have a super dream team that wins all cups for 5 years

Giovanni
04-01-2008, 08:53
we must get immediate replacements for the departing players like:

seedorf(summer).. deguzman/rosina/modric


.................... :googly:

Tony75
04-01-2008, 08:54
we will pay 110 mil. euros (ronaldinhos fees) to get:
zammbrotta..................15mil.
serna/bosingwa.............15mil.
amelia.........................10mil.
corluca+canna..............30mil.
deguzzman/modric.........15mil.
huntelaar/benzemma......25mil.
then we will have a super dream team that wins all cups for 5 years
Zambrotta is almost ours.
Serna/Bosingwa/Amelia/Deguzzman/Canna & Huntelaar aren't required.

IMO we need Boruc/Frey & a decent sub kpr.
Zapata, Marzoratti, Zambrotta & Antonelli/Grimi added to def.
At least 2 creative midfielders Cignarini & Diego plus another destroyer - Kompany would be great.
Benezma/Berbatov, Di Gennaro/Pozzi, and one other forward - R10?

No static forwards, nobody over 30 bar Zambro, and an injection of pace & creativity, with a bit more muscle.

Out - Dida, Kalac, Fiori, Cafu, Serginho, Favalli, Simic, Paolo, Digao - Loan out, Darmian - Loan out, Ba, Emerson, Brocchi, Ronaldo. Inzaghi/Gila is a question mark.

So about 14 players gone, 2 main players, 5 subs, and the rest are underused or useless. Won't happen, but we need a revolution as we didn't evolve when we needed too.

You might say it'll cost too much, but we have Abbiati. Storari, and other players that can be sold for a decent price, and we have been saving for the last few years in the market IMO.

Giorgos
04-01-2008, 09:18
we will pay 110 mil. euros (ronaldinhos fees) to get:
zammbrotta..................15mil.
serna/bosingwa.............15mil.
amelia.........................10mil.
corluca+canna..............30mil.
deguzzman/modric.........15mil.
huntelaar/benzemma......25mil.
then we will have a super dream team that wins all cups for 5 years


You said that before me,

I am United in Britain, 3 years ago i was anxious how the team would replace the team of Beckham, Giggs, Schmeihel, Gari Neville, Scholes, Stam,

Fergie started an excellent rebuldinding, at first they kept money to extend their stadiums capacity, They bought Ferdinand a leader in the defense, they were looking for his mate Vidic, Van der Saar brought experience and qualitu, they give Kioutsak games, RM, they discovered C.Ronaldo, kept their legend Giggs, bought Nani, a youngster ready to give a lot, they give time to their talent's O'Shey, Pique, Simpson, Brown (I like this gay), Evra one of the best LB ib the world, in the forwards they have the best English stiker Rooney, add the hot "Tevez" have the always valuable Shaha, in the wingers add also Park a good player in midfield Hardgreaves, Carrick, Scoles, Anderson, ready to give and they give opportunities to him. Now they will get Berbatov if they want and Bosigwa to help their wing backs. This is the organization of a big club , that Milan now doesn't have, i got frustrated with your opionion Gio and i wonder if i may start to want Milan to not qualify for next CL to rebuild our squand. The difference is that United doesn't have the heavy shirt of Milan otherwise would be # 1 for 3 competitions of England and for CL. :depress:

Giorgos
04-01-2008, 09:38
Juve made a proposal for Van De Vaart of 17 million euros find... the first source.. :depress:

Giovanni
04-01-2008, 11:31
You said that before me,

I am United in Britain, 3 years ago i was anxious how the team would replace the team of Beckham, Giggs, Schmeihel, Gari Neville, Scholes, Stam,

Fergie started an excellent rebuldinding, at first they kept money to extend their stadiums capacity, They bought Ferdinand a leader in the defense, they were looking for his mate Vidic, Van der Saar brought experience and qualitu, they give Kioutsak games, RM, they discovered C.Ronaldo, kept their legend Giggs, bought Nani, a youngster ready to give a lot, they give time to their talent's O'Shey, Pique, Simpson, Brown (I like this gay), Evra one of the best LB ib the world, in the forwards they have the best English stiker Rooney, add the hot "Tevez" have the always valuable Shaha, in the wingers add also Park a good player in midfield Hardgreaves, Carrick, Scoles, Anderson, ready to give and they give opportunities to him. Now they will get Berbatov if they want and Bosigwa to help their wing backs. This is the organization of a big club , that Milan now doesn't have, i got frustrated with your opionion Gio and i wonder if i may start to want Milan to not qualify for next CL to rebuild our squand. The difference is that United doesn't have the heavy shirt of Milan otherwise would be # 1 for 3 competitions of England and for CL. :depress:

I don't think we need to rebuild the team...we just need a few inserts on the flanks and a target man who can score against closed lower serie a teams.

Milan has won everything, United won it's last international throphy down in December 1999 (correct me if i'm wrong). I admire their way of managing a club, but our recipe has just proven to be more successful. They are a richer club, and still we are stronger than them (according to throphies won and the last seasons games, which are facts, and not lame opinions ).

I think we must insert a few additions, the first of them a top class keeper. Dida alone makes this side look so average...We need a couple of young wingers (Catania's Manuel Vargas ? )and a midfielder like Cigarini.
One striker upfront, and just wait for Pato (today i saw a video of Milan Channle, this guy has amazing first touch, ball control and scores goals for fun).

I don't share your overdramatic way of thinking, although i understand you. We don't need to be carried away with all this market crap. People loves market just for the sake of it. There are so many market neurotics around...it seems the only point to play football is to sign and buy players. Which is pointless IMO.

kris
04-01-2008, 11:44
they discovered C.Ronaldo, kept their legend Giggs,

Discovered and discovered. I saw the game where he singlehanded teared them apart in a friendly tournament playing for the sporting first team. They blew a couple of millions that have by now turned out to be an exellent investment, but he took two seasons of irregularity to really turn into the great player he is now.

rosoneri_11
04-01-2008, 12:03
we will pay 110 mil. euros (ronaldinhos fees) to get:
zammbrotta..................15mil.
serna/bosingwa.............15mil.
amelia.........................10mil.
corluca+canna..............30mil.
deguzzman/modric.........15mil.
huntelaar/benzemma......25mil.
then we will have a super dream team that wins all cups for 5 years



I read that Lyon is not giving Benzema for less than 35m euros!


And by the way Valencia sign Banega for 18m euros.

Bye, bye Banega! :kap:

Tony29.
04-01-2008, 12:05
I know it's very interesting to talk about the mercato and it's actually one of the purposes of this forum, but it's all kind of useless to talk about it now since Milan's mercato will depend on :

1. Milan's success at the end of the season
A) Winning CL or qualifying for the final and the semi + winning one of the CL spots in Serie A is not the same as B) winning 5th place in serie A and being eliminated from Arsenal in CL

2. The Coach
Even though club directors do most of the transfers, i still believe the mercato will depend on who's going to be Milan's coach.
Will it be Ancelotti, will it be Mourinho or maybe Rijkaard ?
If it's Ancelotti then he'll probably want to keep 90% of the current squad and only add 2-3 new players.
If it's Mourinho then the profile of the new players may be different from the profile of the players Rijkaard would like to buy. Also, different players may leave the club if it's Ancelotti still a coach or if Mourinho is the new coach.
For some of them the priority will be to get Mascherano, Carvalho, Diarra, and for some of them the priority may be van der Vaart, Diego, Quaresma.
Some of them would like to keep lazy but creative Seedorf and some of them will like to sell Seedorf and replace him with a hard worker.

rosoneri_11
04-01-2008, 12:17
I know it's very interesting to talk about the mercato and it's actually one of the purposes of this forum, but it's all kind of useless to talk about it now since Milan's mercato will depend on :

1. Milan's success at the end of the season
A) Winning CL or qualifying for the final and the semi + winning one of the CL spots in Serie A is not the same as B) winning 5th place in serie A and being eliminated from Arsenal in CL

2. The Coach
Even though club directors do most of the transfers, i still believe the mercato will depend on who's going to be Milan's coach.
Will it be Ancelotti, will it be Mourinho or maybe Rijkaard ?
If it's Ancelotti then he'll probably want to keep 90% of the current squad and only add 2-3 new players.
If it's Mourinho then the profile of the new players may be different from the profile of the players Rijkaard would like to buy. Also, different players may leave the club if it's Ancelotti still a coach or if Mourinho is the new coach.
For some of them the priority will be to get Mascherano, Carvalho, Diarra, and for some of them the priority may be van der Vaart, Diego, Quaresma.
Some of them would like to keep lazy but creative Seedorf and some of them will like to sell Seedorf and replace him with a hard worker.



Thats a very good post Tony.
I think we are not gonna make any winter transfers.It hink we gonna make transfers only on summer, and at that time i can see one of the possibilities that you had posted to come true.
And i would prefer the posibility of Mourinho coming to Milan.I think the team cant continiue with the same 90% of the current players.I think we need more new and freshed players.
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And happy new year Tony!

thomas_h
04-01-2008, 12:53
any news about di gennaro ?
how many times did he play for bologna ? goals ?

peters
04-01-2008, 13:30
Fergie started an excellent rebuldinding, at first they kept money to extend their stadiums capacity, They bought Ferdinand a leader in the defense, they were looking for his mate Vidic, Van der Saar brought experience and qualitu, they give Kioutsak games, RM, they discovered C.Ronaldo, kept their legend Giggs, bought Nani, a youngster ready to give a lot, they give time to their talent's O'Shey, Pique, Simpson, Brown (I like this gay), Evra one of the best LB ib the world, in the forwards they have the best English stiker Rooney, add the hot "Tevez" have the always valuable Shaha, in the wingers add also Park a good player in midfield Hardgreaves, Carrick, Scoles, Anderson, ready to give and they give opportunities to him. Now they will get Berbatov if they want and Bosigwa to help their wing backs.
Reading this I started to count how much money went for this transfers... in how many years? Ferdinand, VdS, CRonaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Nani, Anderson... Can someone do the math? Whats a problem in rebuilding if your managers splash the cash on tevez, nani and anderson in a blink, and they even have a spare for stadium upgrade?

As far as i see, milan doesnt have this kind of money... or they dont want to spend it.

Giorgos
04-01-2008, 13:32
Discovered and discovered. I saw the game where he singlehanded teared them apart in a friendly tournament playing for the sporting first team. They blew a couple of millions that have by now turned out to be an exellent investment, but he took two seasons of irregularity to really turn into the great player he is now.

This is the object Kris, we don't invest...

Why Gourcuff plays so little? :5dito:

Digao is a Brazilian of 1.95 if you will not give him chanses loan him out...

Warro Bantan
04-01-2008, 14:02
This thread, and the posts herein never cease to amaze me....:D

According to my rules of the transfer..aka silly season...I will believe nothing until the player is unveiled at the press conference, either in a Milan kit, or not.

Speculation is always good, and makes for wonderful posts and threads...but at the end of the day, thats all it is.

Who will come in the Winter mercato? R10? Zambrotta? Or no one?

We have 20+ days to ponder, pontificate, pray, and curse.

No one, not even Berlusconi, knows what will transpire over the remaining days of il mercato.

R10 may just wake up tomorrow, and hand in a transfer request...or not!

I will just take one day at a time, and the speculative reports in the press...as just that..speculation, with no basis in fact.

Giorgos
04-01-2008, 14:07
I don't think we need to rebuild the team...we just need a few inserts on the flanks and a target man who can score against closed lower serie a teams.

I disagree we need to refresh our team....


Milan has won everything, United won it's last international throphy down in December 1999 (correct me if i'm wrong). I admire their way of managing a club, but our recipe has just proven to be more successful. They are a richer club, and still we are stronger than them (according to throphies won and the last seasons games, which are facts, and not lame opinions ).

I don't compare the two clubs, as i have said Milan has a heavier shirt

I think we must insert a few additions, the first of them a top class keeper. Dida alone makes this side look so average...We need a couple of young wingers (Catania's Manuel Vargas ? )and a midfielder like Cigarini.
One striker upfront, and just wait for Pato (today i saw a video of Milan Channle, this guy has amazing first touch, ball control and scores goals for fun).

I agree, i admire Dida (who was one of the protagonists in CL in Old Trafford)
but we surely need a new "hungry" goalkeeper...

I don't share your overdramatic way of thinking, although i understand you. We don't need to be carried away with all this market crap. People loves market just for the sake of it. There are so many market neurotics around...it seems the only point to play football is to sign and buy players. Which is pointless IMO.


Overdramatic? :5dito: I don't think so ... look at the table of Serie A ... we are 28 points away from Inter, leave them out, Roma invest although that it has financial problems throughout time, Juve.. i like their policy... do you know what they did? a friend me of Juve told me about ... They kept the experienced players, they give opportunities to youngsters, they sold all the rubbish and they invest this ,oney in good players like Andrande although he was injured...


Manchester Untd is not Milan, they have more money....
But how we had the team of 2005? which lost the final against Liverpool.
This was the best team of last 5-7 years... You had Nesta and Paolo old but still mattured... Dida at WC condition most of the time... Cafu? he had taken a trasfer to us and he gave his last good perfomances.. do you remember him running from the right? Stam ? not a LB but part of a solid defence, our creative midfields, in front ? most of all... Sheva, Pippo, Crespo, Tommasson.

Having Rui Costa, Tomasson, sergihno coming from the bech giving quality...


That's the team i want to see, the mercato is my favorite even in games but... i don't ask for trasfers when i have teams like the one of 2005... :punch:

Giovanni
04-01-2008, 15:15
Long story short: we have to improve the team, get rid of Dida (which makes this side look much more average) and put a few key new players into the team. The team must be reiforced, but not revolutionised. To get better in Serie A we need a target man for those games aginst lower table clubs, a la Bierhoff.
But i don't think this team is rubbish or that we need a revolution. And when a team underperforms the neighbour garden is always greener.

rosoneri_11
04-01-2008, 15:26
Overdramatic? :5dito: I don't think so ... look at the table of Serie A ... we are 28 points away from Inter, leave them out, Roma invest although that it has financial problems throughout time, Juve.. i like their policy... do you know what they did? a friend me of Juve told me about ... They kept the experienced players, they give opportunities to youngsters, they sold all the rubbish and they invest this ,oney in good players like Andrande although he was injured...


Manchester Untd is not Milan, they have more money....
But how we had the team of 2005? which lost the final against Liverpool.
This was the best team of last 5-7 years... You had Nesta and Paolo old but still mattured... Dida at WC condition most of the time... Cafu? he had taken a trasfer to us and he gave his last good perfomances.. do you remember him running from the right? Stam ? not a LB but part of a solid defence, our creative midfields, in front ? most of all... Sheva, Pippo, Crespo, Tommasson.

Having Rui Costa, Tomasson, sergihno coming from the bech giving quality...


That's the team i want to see, the mercato is my favorite even in games but... i don't ask for trasfers when i have teams like the one of 2005... :punch:



You are right mate! Thats the team i would also wonna see!

Jim_UK
04-01-2008, 15:48
Some of them would like to keep lazy but creative Seedorf

I'm glad someone else notices how lazy he is. Taking Gio's garden analogy, yes the grass always seems greener on the other side, but it doesn't do any harm to weed your own garden now and again. Take out some of the big plants that are slow & take too much room and bring in some young vibrant aggressive ones eager to grow :D

Our team needs hunger, players desperate to win. A fresh energy and attitude. There are far too many players who just swan around because they know they can get away without putting the effort in.


I admire their [Man Utd] way of managing a club, but our recipe has just proven to be more successful.


Are we more successful Gio? In Europe there is no question that our recent history in the CL is the best of any club, that's a fact. However, you can't just measure our success in Europe and ignore our poor domestic form. When was the last time we were realistic challengers for the league? 2004-2005? Man Utd fans would argue that their domestic succes and constant battling for the league makes them more successful, which from a certain point of view has a valid point.

Siregar
04-01-2008, 16:04
I think, our problem (since last season) lay mostly on the need of a reliable and decent striker (I only want to concentrate in this department). This has been prooved last season after the arriving of Ronaldo. Our Serie A campaign since then was great. Our management has then also done something to make our forward department better by buying Pato.

The management were sure that with Ronaldo, Gila, Inzaghi and Pato (later) Milan could compete in all competitions. But unfortunately Ronaldo couldnt play a single a game until now. With only Gila and Inzaghi available, Milan could only use one-striker formation because Gila and Inzaghi, as we know, haven't shown good partnership when they played together. This made our campaign in Serie A especially at home so bad, I think. Against ultra-defensive small team especially at home, Milan need to play two strikers to create more spaces upront and chances to score. I won't blame Ancelotti for not using a two-striker formation as he had no choice. But soon we'll have Pato and hopefully Ronaldo.

Many fans here may think our board were so stupid. Why they only bought a young unproven striker (Pato). But we as fans must also think objectively. In last summer we already have Ronaldo, Gila and Inzaghi and Milan choosed to buy Pato than any other striker which were available.

I remember last summer many fans here talking about striker that Milan should buy and they compared an experienced Shevchenko with a 17-yo Pato. Many of them including me choosed Pato instead of Sheva for many reasons and we should keep being patience for what we've choosed. Choosing Pato means there would no immediate impact because he couldn't play until January. There is also no guarantee that Pato will score thousand of goals immediately when he already can play in Serie A. But one thing is sure : Pato gives us hope to watch a better Milan.

Come on, guys. Milan is not yet perfect but not also that bad!

mrki
04-01-2008, 16:09
no doubt - Mialn is more succesfull than Man Utd. period.


But Im now really afraid we will really stay only on Pato for january and it could cost us 4th place in the end...

Van Der Vaart will go to Juve, and aldough I dont think he is as good as Nedved, Camoranesi, Seedorf and so on...he could be of some real use for us now in january as he is a young and fast, wide player that we lack...

Zvone Boban has suggested Ćorluka to Berlusconi before he went to city, now everyone that knows football sees how world class this 21 year old is. The man is simply killing all the attacks that come his way.

After that, Naletilić, one of the best managers for italian football, and few italian managers also suggested Modric as a part of pirlo-rino-modric-kaka' midfield... and , believe me, Milan can get any Dinamo zagreb player if they want ( such strong the relations are with croatian clubs and Milan ).

If Luka Modrić was French or Italian he would be a superstar. In my oppinion, the way he play now is superb. Better than Nasri, Giovinco and so on...

Also ,its time for italian people to realise that Gila is now a player of 3rd world ( to use that expression ). He simply can play for Livorno or Siena now. he is not in bad period, he is HORRIBLE. Yes, horrible. We lack attacking players in our team, one fast and great attacking midfielder and a player like Toni/ Drogba.

Toni had a contract with Milan and apparently Milan/ Galliani decided to close the doors to him. Toni is pissed off now and is saying that Inter will be CL winners and Ibra is better than Kaka' and he doesnt even wanna talk about what Milan did to him... "Very nice" move Galliani....

Giovanni
04-01-2008, 16:16
Are we more successful Gio? In Europe there is no question that our recent history in the CL is the best of any club, that's a fact. However, you can't just measure our success in Europe and ignore our poor domestic form. When was the last time we were realistic challengers for the league? 2004-2005? Man Utd fans would argue that their domestic succes and constant battling for the league makes them more successful, which from a certain point of view has a valid point.

A club of Milan heritage should challenge for the home league title as well. No doubt. In not satisfied at all, even because last year i spent 300 euros for a season ticket and had to watch the lamest matches of the decade.

But consider this: league glory lasts for few months. Champions League glory lasts for years. Multiple CL victories last for decades. WC victory last forever.
This is my values scale.

A Roma fan on their board once wrote : " i'd cut my balls for a CL victory..." :sun:

Giorgos
04-01-2008, 16:44
But Im now really afraid we will really stay only on Pato for january and it could cost us 4th place in the end...

I am also afraid of... that's why i proposed Sheva because we can take him now easier than Benzema, Drogba... i wish Ronaldo to come back like last year and score but when he is ready to play he starts suffering from something :mad: .

Giorgos
04-01-2008, 16:49
A club of Milan heritage should challenge for the home league title as well. No doubt. In not satisfied at all, even because last year i spent 300 euros for a season ticket and had to watch the lamest matches of the decade.

But consider this: league glory lasts for few months. Champions League glory lasts for years. Multiple CL victories last for decades. WC victory last forever.
This is my values scale.

A Roma fan on their board once wrote : " i'd cut my balls for a CL victory..." :sun:

I don't doubt that the CL trofy shines more when i get into challenge with my best friend who is Liverpool i say "7", the same when another one friend of me who is Juventus talking to me about their leagues but this is different from staying 28 points away from the 1st place and the fan of Inter would say come on to play i will win i am the best and most of all the liking of winning because there are many Italian championship games....... :5ok: .


Galliani i am mad with you, Mr President i thought that you have big balls what's up?.....

Giorgos
04-01-2008, 16:52
Not a big refreshment if in the summer we would sign Toni, Riberi, now for a LB and then (summer) for a GK and another one FW but we signed only Pato. We all want to play good but if all the weight of Milan go on him?...

LutherBlissett
04-01-2008, 17:01
Valon Behrami from Lazio. He was previously seen as untouchable but now can be bought for only 12 million this month. He is a perfect backup/replacement for Oddo, who is a shell of the player he was last year. Unfortunately the kid is cup tied. :rollani:

Tony29.
04-01-2008, 21:29
Van Der Vaart will go to Juve, and aldough I dont think he is as good as Nedved, Camoranesi, Seedorf and so on...he could be of some real use for us now in january as he is a young and fast, wide player that we lack...

That's only "Bild" speculating again. This transfer is still only a speculation.
As for his qualities, i wouldn't dare comparing him to Nedved or Camo but VdV is only 24 and when they were 24 Nedved played in Czech league while Camoranesi played for relegation candidates Verona.
Van der Vaart was wrongly used on the left flank and as a typical AMC he couldn't play his best there, like he did in Ajax.
This year it looks like he's again at his best in his original position and he is Bundesliga topscorer with 10 goals in 14 matches ( only 2 from penalty kick).
And he has big international experience. He played CL with Ajax and Hamburg and even though 24 yo, he's been capped 50 times for the Netherlands and scored 12 goals for his NT. In EURO Competitions (CL and UEFA) he played 38 matches and scored 18 goals.
Pretty good stats for a midfielder.

If he's not as injury prone as Mehdi says, then whoever gets him will get a gem, imo.
As for the team that will get him....it could be any team because he's not a Juve player yet !

prifess
05-01-2008, 04:12
the problem is ... we never have changed system or players...
1 year we played good, that was when we loanded crespo! he had an amazing impact on our team.
you can see that all teams know how milan plays and which player they need to look out for. it has been the same team for 5 years with little changes.

if we change the team a lil bith, the style a lil bith. other teams will panic and don't know what to do.

hishamilan
05-01-2008, 04:29
the problem is ... we never have changed system or players...
1 year we played good, that was when we loanded crespo! he had an amazing impact on our team.
you can see that all teams know how milan plays and which player they need to look out for. it has been the same team for 5 years with little changes.

if we change the team a lil bith, the style a lil bith. other teams will panic and don't know what to do.
this is so right dude!! we are completely an open book so good managers like wenger or mourinho will tear us apart in UCL... i don't hope for it... i am only worried!!! :nasty:

Jim_UK
05-01-2008, 05:27
A club of Milan heritage should challenge for the home league title as well. No doubt. In not satisfied at all, even because last year i spent 300 euros for a season ticket and had to watch the lamest matches of the decade.

But consider this: league glory lasts for few months. Champions League glory lasts for years. Multiple CL victories last for decades. WC victory last forever.
This is my values scale.

A Roma fan on their board once wrote : " i'd cut my balls for a CL victory..." :sun:

Exactly! It's YOUR scale my friend. If you were deeply honest, would you not say that a tiny part of you only values the CL higher because we win that more than we win the league? :delol:

What's more, what kind of season ticket did you get for only 300 euros? Is it because you know someone who knows someone who got them off the back of a truck :d33: Or are they really that cheap? :D

zafrul
05-01-2008, 05:59
Milan derby for Berbatov

There is a Milan derby on the transfer market for Dimitar Berbatov, as both San Siro giants send representatives to White Hart Lane.

The Bulgarian hitman alerted clubs all over Europe when his agent pointed out a move was on the cards.

“Dimitar wants to fulfil his potential and win trophies now,” agent Emil Dantchev told the BBC.

“Time is running out for him to play for a club that can match his ambition. I would like to stress this is not about money. This is about sporting ambition.”

Both Milan and Inter have reacted immediately and, according to ‘Tuttosport’ newspaper, have sent representatives for negotiations with his Italian agent Roberto De Fanti.

It is likely a move will only occur in June, as Spurs do not want to sell their star striker mid-season, but neither Italian outfit wants to pay the full £18m asking price.

Former Bayer Leverkusen hero Berbatov netted 90 goals in all competition during his time in Germany and this season already has 17 under his belt.

Milan need a new forward to rejuvenate their squad, as Pippo Inzaghi and Ronaldo do not have the stamina or fitness to maintain an entire season at the top level.

Inter have a selection of strikers, but Adriano is increasingly unlikely to return even after his six-month loan spell at Sao Paolo expires, while Hernan Crespo’s injuries have made him a marginal figure this term.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/footb...alia/jan5f.html

soibui
05-01-2008, 06:46
Milan derby for Berbatov

It is likely a move will only occur in June, as Spurs do not want to sell their star striker mid-season, but neither Italian outfit wants to pay the full £18m asking price.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/footb...alia/jan5f.html
Asking price is actually £30M+, he'd be gone by now if it was £18M. I think that money could be better spent on 2 good players.

mrki
05-01-2008, 06:57
Paolo Maldini: Milan is lacking young players and we work to slow and not lively enough... in short.

We are a team that has most powerfull and fastest player in the world - Kaka' who cant play with Pirlo AND Seedorf in serie a in the same time. The fastest man with the slowest team. Carlo says he doesnt need any players? No, if he wants to be 10th he doesnt need any new players. But if Milan wants to win scudetto we need 5 new players and a new coach.

For example, look at Van D.Vaart: Gourcuff never plays simply becouse he hasnt showed enough and Carlo doesnt trust him. So - loan the boy! We lack playr like VdV, that can play CL and play together with Kaka', a fast football. That way Seedorf will also get more time to rest and make his game a level gigher for big matches.

The players Carlo didnt manage to pull our their best out of them are: Vieri ( play good now with Prandelli ), Oliveira, GILA, Oddo, Jankulovski, French U21 captain Gourcuff, Rivaldo...

Its not hard to train Gattuso, Shevshenko, Pirlo, Rui, Maldini...

Graeme C
05-01-2008, 07:04
Only way i think we will make a decent summer transfer campaign is if Mourinho or Lippi came in. I cant see if happening otherwise

inomilan
05-01-2008, 07:20
Landreau joins Dida list

Nelson Dida’s time is up, as Milan draw up a shortlist including Sebastien Frey, Mikael Landreau and Celtic’s Artur Boruc.

A succession of howlers have seen Dida lose the confidence of the club and Coach Carlo Ancelotti, so the race is on to find a replacement during the January transfer window.

The prime candidate had up until now been Fiorentina’s Frey, who is currently out of action following surgery.

Another favourite is Boruc of Celtic, who impressed the Rossoneri when they crossed paths in the Champions League both last season and in this term’s group phase.

Boruc would be willing to leave Parkhead, but Milan face competition for his signature from Arsenal.

This morning the ‘Gazzetta dello Sport’ claimed that Paris Saint Germain have offered shot-stopper Landreau to the Rossoneri.

The former Nantes star moved to PSG in 2006 and has never quite been able to live up to his potential, notching up only four senior Bleus caps.

Nonetheless he has a good pedigree and is known for his penalty saving capabilities. More importantly, he would be available to play in the Champions League, whereas Frey and Boruc are cup-tied.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jan5h.html

zafrul
05-01-2008, 07:53
Paolo Maldini: Milan is lacking young players and we work to slow and not lively enough... in short.

We are a team that has most powerfull and fastest player in the world - Kaka' who cant play with Pirlo AND Seedorf in serie a in the same time. The fastest man with the slowest team. Carlo says he doesnt need any players? No, if he wants to be 10th he doesnt need any new players. But if Milan wants to win scudetto we need 5 new players and a new coach.



Where did you read that Maldini said this? I read on AcMilan.com, didn't say anything close to this...

ACMILAN1983
05-01-2008, 09:14
Of late there's been a number of rumours of us getting Lucio after he admitted interest in going Spain or Italy.

http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=525575

I don't really remember reading anything much about it here and thought I'd see how people feel about getting him. I for one would love to see him at Milan, as we could use someone of his physical capabilities (strength, acceleration and ability to push forward from deep). I think he's improved a lot over the years and at 29 I'm seriously thinking he could be our best option for defence in the summer.

inomilan
05-01-2008, 09:28
Lucio could be a good signing...but really we need a younger defender...some1 who would replace Nesta in d future...coz our present pair, Nesta and Kala, is very solid right now and Bonera is improving in each game so i guess we should go for some1 younger

zafrul
05-01-2008, 09:56
Of late there's been a number of rumours of us getting Lucio after he admitted interest in going Spain or Italy.

http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=525575

I don't really remember reading anything much about it here and thought I'd see how people feel about getting him. I for one would love to see him at Milan, as we could use someone of his physical capabilities (strength, acceleration and ability to push forward from deep). I think he's improved a lot over the years and at 29 I'm seriously thinking he could be our best option for defence in the summer.

Aren't we having way too many Brazilians? We don't want to be mini-Brazil while Inter would be mini-Argie...

Better to keep an Italian DNA...

ThrusT
05-01-2008, 10:02
For example, look at Van D.Vaart: Gourcuff never plays simply becouse he hasnt showed enough and Carlo doesnt trust him. So - loan the boy! We lack playr like VdV, that can play CL and play together with Kaka', a fast football. That way Seedorf will also get more time to rest and make his game a level gigher for big matches.

The players Carlo didnt manage to pull our their best out of them are: Vieri ( play good now with Prandelli ), Oliveira, GILA, Oddo, Jankulovski, French U21 captain Gourcuff, Rivaldo...

Its not hard to train Gattuso, Shevshenko, Pirlo, Rui, Maldini...
Gourcuff should not be loaned out, because my fear is that he will have no more motivation to play for us and we will wind up selling the boy, just like we did with Donati.

-Vieri was dropping massively mentally and phiscally when he joined us, it became even worse when he left, now he's back at Fiorentina with a good mentality. Not Carlo's fault.
-Oliveira never ever convinced before and because of the problems with his sister he never got the chance to try it in Milan. Not Carlo's fault.
-Gilardino scored 17(?) goals his first season at Milan, but this was together with Sheva. Now he has no one to help him in front and he struggles a lot eventough he works really hard. Not Carlo's fault.
-Oddo was last season and at the beginning of this season, good. But he has dropped in physical form recently. How would you blame Carlo for this?
-Jankulovski never settled in quite good, that's how I feel it, but he has his matches where is is superbly.Het gets to play a lot and enjoys some affection by the fans and team mates so again I don't see what Carlo has to do with this.
-Gourcuff, when given the chance, he never convinced. It's simple as that, instead of making an impact he plays below average.
-Rivaldo was finished when he came here and even on the level of Olympiakos he is nowhere near good.

And actually it was quite hard to train Pirlo you know. Before he came here he was an average Brescia AMF, thanks to Carlo he now plays DMF and is technically one of the best,if not the best, around.

Anyway, I am actually certain no one can do better than Carlo with this squad and if we were to change coach I can only see two men who might be able to do good.
Lippi and Rijkaard.

Of late there's been a number of rumours of us getting Lucio after he admitted interest in going Spain or Italy.

http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=525575

I don't really remember reading anything much about it here and thought I'd see how people feel about getting him. I for one would love to see him at Milan, as we could use someone of his physical capabilities (strength, acceleration and ability to push forward from deep). I think he's improved a lot over the years and at 29 I'm seriously thinking he could be our best option for defence in the summer.
I think he's the best defender we can get to fill up the Maldini position.
Great defender and rarely makes a foul!

mrki
05-01-2008, 10:13
Gourcuff should not be loaned out, because my fear is that he will have no more motivation to play for us and we will wind up selling the boy, just like we did with Donati.

-Vieri was dropping massively mentally and phiscally when he joined us, it became even worse when he left, now he's back at Fiorentina with a good mentality. Not Carlo's fault.
-Oliveira never ever convinced before and because of the problems with his sister he never got the chance to try it in Milan. Not Carlo's fault.
-Gilardino scored 17(?) goals his first season at Milan, but this was together with Sheva. Now he has no one to help him in front and he struggles a lot eventough he works really hard. Not Carlo's fault.
-Oddo was last season and at the beginning of this season, good. But he has dropped in physical form recently. How would you blame Carlo for this?
-Jankulovski never settled in quite good, that's how I feel it, but he has his matches where is is superbly.Het gets to play a lot and enjoys some affection by the fans and team mates so again I don't see what Carlo has to do with this.
-Gourcuff, when given the chance, he never convinced. It's simple as that, instead of making an impact he plays below average.
-Rivaldo was finished when he came here and even on the level of Olympiakos he is nowhere near good.

And actually it was quite hard to train Pirlo you know. Before he came here he was an average Brescia AMF, thanks to Carlo he now plays DMF and is technically one of the best,if not the best, around.

Anyway, I am actually certain no one can do better than Carlo with this squad and if we were to change coach I can only see two men who might be able to do good.
Lippi and Rijkaard.


I think he's the best defender we can get to fill up the Maldini position.
Great defender and rarely makes a foul!

No, Pirlo was not an average AM, he was the best young fantasista of italian team that won euro. After that he failed in inter and so on...

Carlo didnt make a DM out of him, but the coach in Brescia did. Now Pirlo is the best registra in the world, yes. Carlo did that, partially.

Rivaldo WAS NOT finished, but he was unable to insert himself into our sistem. He came in Milan as a big star and great player.

Oddo, Gila are falling mentaly? Not Carlos fault? Then who's is it if not the coaches?? When was at Parma Gila had volleys, overhead kicks, good passing, good ball touch and hiper self confidence. Its not that he is struggeling bexouse Milan is poor, its becouse he now simply cant do anythjing out of it, he cant even pass a 5 meters ball.

Carlo is ok coach, but has no guts towards Galliani.

Jeff
05-01-2008, 10:40
No, Pirlo was not an average AM, he was the best young fantasista of italian team that won euro. After that he failed in inter and so on...

Carlo didnt make a DM out of him, but the coach in Brescia did. Now Pirlo is the best registra in the world, yes. Carlo did that, partially.

Rivaldo WAS NOT finished, but he was unable to insert himself into our sistem. He came in Milan as a big star and great player.

Oddo, Gila are falling mentaly? Not Carlos fault? Then who's is it if not the coaches?? When was at Parma Gila had volleys, overhead kicks, good passing, good ball touch and hiper self confidence. Its not that he is struggeling bexouse Milan is poor, its becouse he now simply cant do anythjing out of it, he cant even pass a 5 meters ball.

Carlo is ok coach, but has no guts towards Galliani.

1) Is he already a DMC at Brescia? If so, it would be unjust to whoever put him first as a DMC. From my knowledge, it's Carlo who puts him as a DMC (and he did play a few games as AMC for Milan)

2) I agree that Rivaldo is not finished, but he is no longer as capable as he was before.

3) Is rather the system of play that Gila is failing. Putting Gila and INzaghi together just never works. In Milan's system, Gila has to have a partner striker, be it shevchenko or Ronaldo or now Pato. It will be interesting to see how Gila do with the introduction of Pato.

Gila plays much better in Parma not because he has a partner striker but simply because he is in Parma. No team will defend with 9-0-1 against Parma. Also, Gilardino took penalty kick at Parma, increasing the number of goals (but correct me if I am wrong).

Oddo: I'm just speechless with his cross. If someone is at fault, ask the cross-training coach.

4) If Carlo is an OK coach but still manages to win the champion league twice (with the acknowledgement that the CL Is harder and harder to win these days), I really don't see who else is above OK.

ACMILAN1983
05-01-2008, 10:47
Aren't we having way too many Brazilians? We don't want to be mini-Brazil while Inter would be mini-Argie...

Better to keep an Italian DNA...

Too many Brazilians? Not to say it bothers me how many Brazilians we have, but when you think that in the summer we'll quite possibly lose Dida, Cafu, Serginho and Ronaldo, that would leave us with Pato, Kaka and Digao. Adding Lucio would result in 4 Brazilians and realistically at the most I can see us having 5-6 Brazilians in the squad (currently we have 7).

More importantly, Lucio is a quality defender, proven at the very highest levels. Him being Brazilian would actually probably help him integrate into the club. Added to that, he's got a family and is religious, with a good temperament that isn't likely to disrupt any harmony in the club, so he would fit in pretty well.

I think he's the best defender we can get to fill up the Maldini position.
Great defender and rarely makes a foul!

lol, if I remember rightly he's got a record of something like almost 400 minutes gone without a foul :D

Stitch
05-01-2008, 10:52
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Zvone Boban has suggested Ćorluka to Berlusconi before he went to city, now everyone that knows football sees how world class this 21 year old is. The man is simply killing all the attacks that come his way.

After that, Naletilić, one of the best managers for italian football, and few italian managers also suggested Modric as a part of pirlo-rino-modric-kaka' midfield... and , believe me, Milan can get any Dinamo zagreb player if they want ( such strong the relations are with croatian clubs and Milan ).

If Luka Modrić was French or Italian he would be a superstar. In my oppinion, the way he play now is superb. Better than Nasri, Giovinco and so on...



come on man, i know you're croatian, but be objective, at least a little. this is funny :ilol:

Jim_UK
05-01-2008, 11:00
Adding Lucio would result in 4 Brazilians and realistically at the most I can see us having 5-6 Brazilians in the squad (currently we have 7).


What about Emerson? :D I think you forgot about him.

Zafrul, if you can name an Italian defender who's better than Lucio right now then lets buy him. But there doesn't seem to be one. I think a Lucio & Nesta partnership would be very good. It's not too unrealistic to see ourselves having this back 5 for the start of next season.

------------Boruc------------
--????--Nesta--Lucio--Zambrotta--

Right now the ???? would be Oddo, but that might change to someone like De Silvestri or Rafinha, or the more high profile & more unlikely Alves. I leave that to yous guys :D

MLM
05-01-2008, 11:14
Too many Brazilians? Not to say it bothers me how many Brazilians we have, but when you think that in the summer we'll quite possibly lose Dida, Cafu, Serginho and Ronaldo, that would leave us with Pato, Kaka and Digao.

i don't mind with those Brazilians except the last name :tong:
but well.. anything to give his brother felicity :D

Giovanni
05-01-2008, 11:31
Exactly! It's YOUR scale my friend. If you were deeply honest, would you not say that a tiny part of you only values the CL higher because we win that more than we win the league? :delol:

What's more, what kind of season ticket did you get for only 300 euros? Is it because you know someone who knows someone who got them off the back of a truck :d33: Or are they really that cheap? :D

In Italy the CL is the most important club throphy ...by far. Don't know in England. Real Madrid has the prestige they have because of their CL wins.

One of the best season tickets around: second orange tier..the actual price was 350 E.

---> http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=48118

Giorgos
05-01-2008, 11:48
In Italy the CL is the most important club throphy ...by far. Don't know in England. Real Madrid has the prestige they have because of their CL wins.

One of the best season tickets around: second orange tier..the actual price was 350 E.

---> http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=48118


Come on Gio my team PAOK Thessaloniki at its average has a lowest year card of 250 euro. When the budget is of 8 million euros Milan what price would get with a very big budget...

Giorgos
05-01-2008, 12:12
Asking price is actually £30M+, he'd be gone by now if it was £18M. I think that money could be better spent on 2 good players.

There is also a 3rd solution to negotiate and take him at 26 ...

For Pirlo sorry for Trust i think but Pirlo was not a quality player when he came to us.

Too many Brazilians? i don't care , have in mind that at least two to three will leave the club in summer

Ancelotti... has 2 CL winning, 1 final, 1 semi final (Merk) at about 5 years if Mourihno, Lippi or whoelse can compete that just tell me...

About not fighting with Galliani... Nesta and Rivaldo came when Carlo was a coach...

His wantings? if we had signed the players he wanted (Toni, Ribery) we would be much , much better...

Coaching... i am only against him in case of Gourcuff, for Gila both when he had a second quick forward next to him (Sheva) scored a lot of goals and he was playing in smaller Parma but mostly the first. Janku, Oddo, come on!!!!

Who was Rino? he became a DM with strong personality....
Every Greek coach wehn wants to speak about the ideal caoch says Ancelotti...

ThrusT
05-01-2008, 12:33
No, Pirlo was not an average AM, he was the best young fantasista of italian team that won euro. After that he failed in inter and so on...

Carlo didnt make a DM out of him, but the coach in Brescia did. Now Pirlo is the best registra in the world, yes. Carlo did that, partially.

Rivaldo WAS NOT finished, but he was unable to insert himself into our sistem. He came in Milan as a big star and great player.

Oddo, Gila are falling mentaly? Not Carlos fault? Then who's is it if not the coaches?? When was at Parma Gila had volleys, overhead kicks, good passing, good ball touch and hiper self confidence. Its not that he is struggeling bexouse Milan is poor, its becouse he now simply cant do anythjing out of it, he cant even pass a 5 meters ball.

Carlo is ok coach, but has no guts towards Galliani.
Actually I thought it was Carlo who used Pirlo in the DM position as the first, but I'm not 100% sure of this. I also thought Pirlo was nothing more than average before joining us, promising but nothing more, again I'm not 100% sure though.

Did you really think Rivaldo would ever manage to get his Barca form again in Milan?

I never said Oddo and Gila are mentally not ok..
Gila only needs a good partner, like Jeff said.

Carlo is a superb coach, the only thing I can agree on is that he does not have enough balls to demand something.

I think its to bad Carlo Ancelotti is being underestimated by so many people.

Mehdi
05-01-2008, 12:34
Zvone Boban has suggested Ćorluka to Berlusconi before he went to city, now everyone that knows football sees how world class this 21 year old is. The man is simply killing all the attacks that come his way.


He's not World Class (yet) but he's a superb defender. Berlusconi needs to listen to our former players more and that idiot Galliani less. Mordric would be a very expensive reserve but I guess he could replace or Pirlo Seedorf eventually. As we have seen with Banega if we want these good young players we have to be prepared to pay big money.

Mehdi
05-01-2008, 12:38
Actually I thought it was Carlo who used Pirlo in the DM position as the first, but I'm not 100% sure of this. I also thought Pirlo was nothing more than average before joining us, promising but nothing more, again I'm not 100% sure though.

It was Mazzone at Brescia. Pirlo asked Ancelotti to try him in his Brescia position.

Giorgos
05-01-2008, 12:44
Corluka yes he is now a very good defender who could have helped us...

zafrul
05-01-2008, 12:55
What about Emerson? :D I think you forgot about him.

Zafrul, if you can name an Italian defender who's better than Lucio right now then lets buy him. But there doesn't seem to be one. I think a Lucio & Nesta partnership would be very good. It's not too unrealistic to see ourselves having this back 5 for the start of next season.

------------Boruc------------
--????--Nesta--Lucio--Zambrotta--

Right now the ???? would be Oddo, but that might change to someone like De Silvestri or Rafinha, or the more high profile & more unlikely Alves. I leave that to yous guys :D

Well, good point... the only name that comes to mind is Barzagli, but everyone knows that he's not doing wonders at Palermo. I think Nesta come out and defended the state of Italian defenders, saying that Ferrari and Barzagli will make the cut, whether he was being super diplomatic, i don't really know.

I don't know about you guys, but I always wanted the Milan DNA to be Italian, altho we had Sheva and now Kaka, but we always had Maldini to represent Milan... I still think we should have a go at Buffon (yes, i realize it's difficult)

But a back 5 like this would look pretty good...

----------Buffon-------------
De Silvestri---Nesta---Lucio----Zambrotta--
(and no, i'm not playing football manager and thinking of fantasy signings)

at least there's only 1 Brazillian in there... we all know in attack we wouldn't trade Kaka and Pato for any italian forward, even Totti, and how much longer would we stick with Gila...

Well, I'm not saying that having the bulk of the team Italian is a must, but it would be good... and at least we won't be Inter...

rosoneri_11
05-01-2008, 13:06
We really need players.Good players! Firtsly we must sell Gilardino, he is a bad player for Milan, the player had his chanses for many many games!He is 3 years with us and he never showed us something.He is not a player for Milan, he is a very stupid striker.We must also sell Oliveira, he cant play in Italy, he is good only at spain.It was a bad transfer and very expensive too.
Then we must sell Ronaldo.Ronaldo is a great world class striker but the problem is that he plays 1 game in 20 games because of injuries + he is 31/32 years old.
So we bought Oliveira 17m euros + Gilardino 26m. euros + Ronaldo 7m. euros =50m. euros!!! , and finaly noone from these players didn't do their job good.We should sell them all.

In midfield carlo liked Ribery and he finaly bought Emerson. No comment!

In defence we need a RB and a LB for sure. We bought oddo for 7m euros and he played one good year.Now he is 32 and he is not good!And we need again a RB.Why we really bought him?Oddos transfer was good only for one year.On the other hand we got cafu who is 37 and he cant play 90mns.Finaly we have not a good RB!!!
As for the left back, well what i can say, we got Maldini 39...Ok he is our captain i can't talk bad.On the other hand we had Jankulofski......but where is Jankulofski? Finaly we had no a good LB.
In midfield we really need a player like ribery nothing else.
In GK place we really need 2 good GK's, we cant go on with Dida and Kalac.
Dida really need do be replacement everyone says it and Kalac should have been repalced from years earlier.How we trust Kalac for a second GK, the man can paly only at serie-G!Im worried to know whoes idea was Milan to buy that GK?

One of the most important for our club is that we really have not a good bench! Our bench is very very bad.Serginho,Cafu,Kalac,Emerson,Bonera,Brochi,favali...... we don't have a bench!
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Thats it.That was my opinion about what we should change in our team.

zafrul
05-01-2008, 13:46
Well, to say that Gila is a stupid striker is a wee bit far fetched...

Lets see him partner Pato and give him another 6 months or so produce some goals, but I wouldn't mind to have him on our bench since there's so many complains that our bench has no depth...

I know that Oddo has been hammered for his crossing, but I remember his first game for Milan, man was he impressive... I distinctly remember he made a thru pass from defence, crosses we good... but from then onwards it has been a surely but slowly decline...

Then I asked myself, "who in Milan is a great crosser of the ball?" I'm not talking dead ball situation but classic wide man style (either winger or full back) that crosses well on the run? I can't think of anyone... Cafu? He tends to blast the ball from ridiculous angles.. Serginho? we know his end product sucks... Janku? Ok, I think he's decent but i hardly remember any bombardments from the left when he's playing...

Could it be Milan's training regime? So if we go out and get great LB/RB, will they surely and slowly deteriorate as well?

zafrul
05-01-2008, 13:55
He's not World Class (yet) but he's a superb defender. Berlusconi needs to listen to our former players more and that idiot Galliani less. Mordric would be a very expensive reserve but I guess he could replace or Pirlo Seedorf eventually. As we have seen with Banega if we want these good young players we have to be prepared to pay big money.

Maybe Galliani is telling Berlu to sign the palyers, but maybe Berlu is getting old and senile, veto-ing transfers like Toni and Buffon, and saying no to Ribery and buying Emerson...

Hey, if we can pay 15million plus a midfielder (who was it again?) for injured Oliviera, i say that's paying big money for a player...

I think it must be that stupid Milan Lab, since it opened Milan has been obsessed with out of form players and injured players. I think they must be trying hard to prove that Milan Lab is like a magic box... send crap in, and in spits out gold and diamonds...

Sounds like the fairy tale story (i can't remember what exactly)

Siregar
05-01-2008, 14:03
-Gilardino scored 17(?) goals his first season at Milan, but this was together with Sheva. Now he has no one to help him in front and he struggles a lot eventough he works really hard.


3) Is rather the system of play that Gila is failing. Putting Gila and INzaghi together just never works. In Milan's system, Gila has to have a partner striker, be it shevchenko or Ronaldo or now Pato. It will be interesting to see how Gila do with the introduction of Pato.

Gila plays much better in Parma not because he has a partner striker but simply because he is in Parma. No team will defend with 9-0-1 against Parma.

I absolutely aggree with both of you guys.

Gila worked alone with at least 2-3 players surrounding him. Kaka gave rarely chance to him and after watching many games, it seems Kaka hesitated to give him good chances. Kaka is much more an attacking midfielder, who rather makes chances for himself and finishes by himself, than a playmaker who create chances for other players especially for the striker(s). Well, I dont blame Kaka, it's just his type of play.

It would be very difficult for Gila to play in a single-striker formation with Kaka and Seedorf behind him plus 2 pure DMCs behind them and with fullbacks who cant cross. He needs chances! He needs a partner like Jeff mentioned (Sheva, Ronaldo, Pato) or an attacking midfielder like Rui, Gourcuff (his style not his up-to-date performance), Pirlo etc who prefer to make assists then to score.

With Ronaldo, who just came back to train, and Pato, I am sure Gila will play much better in the second half of this season.

jtelly
05-01-2008, 14:08
Why don't we get some wingers who actually are meant to produce crosses, rather than carry on about our defenders who should defend first, then worry about crossing if they happen to be in the position.
This is my only complaint of the current system, we rely the defenders to provide our offense, no wonder any team can sit back and defend because by the time they get up there (10-20 seconds, let's say), the opposition has already settled in nicely, started building their brick wall, and we've got one person in the box while they've got 7. Pacy wingers would cut out the time it takes to kick-start our offense.

Jim_UK
05-01-2008, 14:08
Mordric would be a very expensive reserve but I guess he could replace or Pirlo Seedorf eventually.

Why eventually? Why not now? Pirlo's form has been a little up and down this season, though personally i think that's because he's far too deep to be effective in games. Against inter he was on the edge of our 18 yard box! You can be the best player in the history of football, but the amount of damage you can do when you're that deep is next to nothing.

As for Seedorf, he's only in the side right now because we don't have a decent 2nd striker or attacking midfielder. If we got Ronaldinho or Amauri/Drogba/Berbatov, they'd start ahead of the Dutchman straight away. So if Modric is as good as ex-slavia people have been making out, he'd go straight ahead of Seedorf would he not?

Gio, £260 for a season ticket? If i can find out a cheap way to go to games & find cheap accomodation, i would seriously consider getting one. Though getting a proper job would come first to make it all possible :D

Also, tell me more about Catania's Manuel Vargas. How good is he? How old? Would he be expensive? etc etc

Jeff
05-01-2008, 14:59
With Ronaldo, who just came back to train, and Pato, I am sure Gila will play much better in the second half of this season.

Dru and Ego are going to disagree (I know :D) but I have to mention that Gila would have score well above 20 goals had he taken the penalty in his first year for Milan (It was Shevchenko who took the penalty that year).

This is what makes me unconvinced by Gilardino's skeptics. Not to say that Gilardino is the most fantastic players in the world; there are Toni or currently Van Nis., who are much better than Gilardino.

Having said, Gilardino also experiences low-point, most notably at the beginning of every year when his shooting engine seems to be always always missing.

****

Crying for a new GK at this point can only do harm for Milan because:

1) Kalac is no way better than Dida.

2) No one will come to Milan now as a GK.

3) Milan is not willing to risk dressing room harmony.

4) Dida has been solid for the past 3 months except that one blunder against Inter Milan (and everyone loves to talk about it as if Milan is doomed because of that. How ridiculous this is and how spoilt some MM fans are).

5) Dida is the perfect target to write about for newspaper / goal.com because Dida seldom says anything to the public.

If there is one party that is responsible for Dida's blunders these days, it is, unfortuantely, the some of us over here who whimps about Dida's mistakes, which simply further allows the media to blow some small issues into big problems, not to mention how it might demoralize Dida himself (if he ever reads anything here).

Conclusion about Dida: Milan won't do anything about it, at least for the next 6 months or so, and it will be stupid for Milan to do anything about it at this stage.

hitmannq8
05-01-2008, 15:06
has anyone seen Perez from Ajax? i just saw him play vs Inter and he is fantastic.. the commentator also said about his problems with Ajax, so maybe we should check him out. i bet you that Inter will be linked with him from tomorrow

ACMILAN1983
05-01-2008, 15:59
What about Emerson? :D I think you forgot about him.

Zafrul, if you can name an Italian defender who's better than Lucio right now then lets buy him. But there doesn't seem to be one. I think a Lucio & Nesta partnership would be very good. It's not too unrealistic to see ourselves having this back 5 for the start of next season.

------------Boruc------------
--????--Nesta--Lucio--Zambrotta--

Right now the ???? would be Oddo, but that might change to someone like De Silvestri or Rafinha, or the more high profile & more unlikely Alves. I leave that to yous guys :D

Ah how could I forget Emo, he's one I'm saying we should keep as well lol. :v46:

I agree that right now there aren't really any Italian defenders as good as him too that are available, something I forgot to mention in my last post.

i don't mind with those Brazilians except the last name :tong:
but well.. anything to give his brother felicity :D

lol, well, Kaka wouldn't be pleased if we got rid of him ;) . I think he's as a player who makes up the numbers, I'd love to see him playing the odd Coppa match at DM ;)

Actually I thought it was Carlo who used Pirlo in the DM position as the first, but I'm not 100% sure of this. I also thought Pirlo was nothing more than average before joining us, promising but nothing more, again I'm not 100% sure though.

As mehdi said it was Mazzone in Brescia that first used him in DM. Pirlo as a youngster was considered to be the new Roberto Baggio (his idol) and the next great Italian star. He often starred in the Italian junior teams and did very well before Inter signed him, where his career suddenly went downhill. Of course we bought him and the rest is history.

Well, good point... the only name that comes to mind is Barzagli, but everyone knows that he's not doing wonders at Palermo. I think Nesta come out and defended the state of Italian defenders, saying that Ferrari and Barzagli will make the cut, whether he was being super diplomatic, i don't really know.

I don't know about you guys, but I always wanted the Milan DNA to be Italian, altho we had Sheva and now Kaka, but we always had Maldini to represent Milan... I still think we should have a go at Buffon (yes, i realize it's difficult)

But a back 5 like this would look pretty good...

----------Buffon-------------
De Silvestri---Nesta---Lucio----Zambrotta--
(and no, i'm not playing football manager and thinking of fantasy signings)

at least there's only 1 Brazillian in there... we all know in attack we wouldn't trade Kaka and Pato for any italian forward, even Totti, and how much longer would we stick with Gila...

Well, I'm not saying that having the bulk of the team Italian is a must, but it would be good... and at least we won't be Inter...

Around a third of the team would still be Italian normally, with Pirlo, Nesta, Rino, Ambro and Gila all playing fairly regularly.

I know that Oddo has been hammered for his crossing, but I remember his first game for Milan, man was he impressive... I distinctly remember he made a thru pass from defence, crosses we good... but from then onwards it has been a surely but slowly decline...

Then I asked myself, "who in Milan is a great crosser of the ball?" I'm not talking dead ball situation but classic wide man style (either winger or full back) that crosses well on the run? I can't think of anyone... Cafu? He tends to blast the ball from ridiculous angles.. Serginho? we know his end product sucks... Janku? Ok, I think he's decent but i hardly remember any bombardments from the left when he's playing...

Could it be Milan's training regime? So if we go out and get great LB/RB, will they surely and slowly deteriorate as well?

Serginho's got a very good cross actually, even this season when he's not played too well, his crosses are usually good. Cafu also used to have a good cross but it's never been a specialty of his.

Anyway, point is I don't think it's our training regime that deteriorates our fullbacks.

rosoneri_11
05-01-2008, 16:07
I think our bigest needs is 1 LB, 1 RB, 1 Striker, and 1 GK.

My opinions?

LB:Abidal/ Drenthe
RB: Daniel ALves/ Miguel
Striker:Benzema/ Villa/ Amauri
GK:Frey or Akinfeev

Jim_UK
05-01-2008, 16:36
has anyone seen Perez from Ajax? i just saw him play vs Inter and he is fantastic.. the commentator also said about his problems with Ajax, so maybe we should check him out. i bet you that Inter will be linked with him from tomorrow


Did Emmanulsen play? Was he any good?

Tony29.
05-01-2008, 18:50
Also, tell me more about Catania's Manuel Vargas. How good is he? How old? Would he be expensive? etc etc
I'm not Giovanni but i've seen Vargas 3 or 4 times (and many more times in highlights) and i've been impressed every time i watched him.
I think the guy was originally a midfeilder, because he has all the qualities a good midfielder needs to posess, but he's also a good defender and it makes him a very good fullback .
Veru quick with powerful left foot. Very good crosses and good vision. Imo, the best left back in serie A at the moment.
He is 24, he's from Peru and he adds a little South American flair (not that Milan lacks any of it :) ) .

Goal.com had him in the serie A team of the half season
http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=526563


He shouldn't be too expensive but he won't come too cheap either. Last summer it was reported that Catania rejected Roma's 4m euro offer. Since he plays great in 2007/08 his price must be higher now.
Something between 6-10m eur would be enough, imo.

Bosniaco
05-01-2008, 19:33
Did Emmanulsen play? Was he any good?
I saw him play, good player.

goose
05-01-2008, 20:36
Who knows who will come this month, whatever, hopefully they're smart signings and they can help us immediately on all fronts.

What will happen is we will be disappointed again and sign no one. Regardless of what happens come May, repeat CL champs or not, Carlo will move on. The new manager, whoever he may be, will have a large transfer kitty and clear out the old and sign new players who suit his style. Why spend money on a player now that a new manager may not want six months later? It's wasteful spending.

So look forward to next season folks. Sure, we'll see the lads put forth their best efforts in game 7 of our 15-game season, but we're just going through the motions in the league right now.

The bloodbath begins in the summer. After Euro 2008, then we can go crazy and talk up the transfers. Right now, we're wasting our time.

zafrul
05-01-2008, 20:38
5) Dida is the perfect target to write about for newspaper / goal.com because Dida seldom says anything to the public.

If there is one party that is responsible for Dida's blunders these days, it is, unfortuantely, the some of us over here who whimps about Dida's mistakes, which simply further allows the media to blow some small issues into big problems, not to mention how it might demoralize Dida himself (if he ever reads anything here).

Conclusion about Dida: Milan won't do anything about it, at least for the next 6 months or so, and it will be stupid for Milan to do anything about it at this stage.

First, I don't see how we can be responsible for Dida's blunders, the man is struggling with form, making mistakes, losing confidence, and costing us games. I understand the bitching and critism doens't really help, but we are Fans, and sometimes Fans are extremely passionate and FANatical... So the outburst should be understandable as well...

And mind you, that Dida has been making blunders over blunders, that even Inter fan (Karim) and Juve (Tony 75?) are telling us, "time to chenge your keeper guys.."

And I don't see anything wrong with making changes NOW, it's not like Milan is the only team thinking about it (in fact I think Milan is the only team that needs to), other big teams are doing so, heck, even Valencia... If you really want something done, you'll get it done, not give us excuses like "it's difficult to negotiate with clubs during winter etc etc etc" crap...

But maybe you're right... Milan just don't want to do anything about it...

Jeff
05-01-2008, 20:48
First, I don't see how we can be responsible for Dida's blunders, the man is struggling with form, making mistakes, losing confidence, and costing us games. I understand the bitching and critism doens't really help, but we are Fans, and sometimes Fans are extremely passionate and FANatical... So the outburst should be understandable as well...

And mind you, that Dida has been making blunders over blunders, that even Inter fan (Karim) and Juve (Tony 75?) are telling us, "time to chenge your keeper guys.."

And I don't see anything wrong with making changes NOW, it's not like Milan is the only team thinking about it (in fact I think Milan is the only team that needs to), other big teams are doing so, heck, even Valencia... If you really want something done, you'll get it done, not give us excuses like "it's difficult to negotiate with clubs during winter etc etc etc" crap...

But maybe you're right... Milan just don't want to do anything about it...

Individual fans are not responsible for it; nor do a passionte and fanatical fan; having other fans to make comments about changing our GK is probably of no interest to us. The point here is that if fans were more tolerant, at least for the nexts 5 / 6 months, the newspaper will have less probability to publish unfounded talk about replacement of Dida etc. I can give you a few examples:

1) Why the media loves to talk about Kaka moving to REal Madrid?

- because real (and real fans) said they wanted to buy Kaka.

2) Why the media loves to talk about Adriano drinking and partying in Brazil?

- becuase people want to know how pathetic Adriano is.

3) Why the media loves to talk about how awful Ronaldo is now because of his injury?

- becuase they want to cast doubt on Milan Lab and how UNsuccessful Milan lab is.

4) Why the media loves to magnify Dida's mistake?

- because Milan fans WANT to replace him.

5) Why the media talk about Gilardino leaving in the summer?

- because MIlan fans think he simply sucks.

6) Why the media never talks about Gilardino now?

- because it looks like no one is blaming Gilardino for not scoring now (since he doesn';t even have that much of playing time now).

7) Why the media always say Milan is old but never an individual is old?

- becuase Maldini is a freaking legend that no media is willing to take the risk and say, "hey, it's time to replace Maldini".

Trust me: If fans want Gattuso to leave (for whatever reason), then the headline won't be "Gattuso trained with Ranger" but "Gattuso has prematurely agreed a switch to Ranger".

This's the reason why I say partially the media hype about which players Milan is going to buy is actually the fan. Not intentional, but that's how the media will take adv. of it.

Given that, will management do anything about it now to allow the media to make more fuss about the milan management?

I do not disagree (i.e., agree) that it may be a time for change for our GK, but not now, not right in the middle of the season when MIlan still stands a chance in CL.

June, however, may be a good time for change.

zafrul
05-01-2008, 23:30
Jeff,

Kaka - I don't think it was the fans, more like the president ANNOUNCED that he WILL sign Kaka if elected President, and has been on the Kaka hunt ever sinced.

Adriano - maybe media does scrutinize every single move he makes, but he has been playing like crap and does not live like professional football player, i guess he's the britney spears or lindsey loohan of football... easy target!

Ronaldo - I do think the media is making a big fuss out of nothing...

Dida - This is the hottest topic right now, why? Yes fans want to replace him, for comical errors, celtic fiasco, costing us games etc etc. And it's not just a couple of games, it's been a while. So, is the media making a big fuss out of nothing?

Gilardino - After 3 years, I think most of us have come to terms with Gila not turning out to the next Paolo Rossi, which he had so much promise to be, when he was banging in goals for Parma... It's at the acceptance level, even at Milan where 34 year old Inzaghi is 1st choice... So, there is a chance of him leaving this summer..

Milan - I don't think the media is saying Milan is old because of 1 player, Milan is old because of numerous players... Cafu, Serginho, Inzaghi, Favalli, Dida, Maldini are 35 and over (except inzaghi 34), and most in this list are first choice... then there's the 30-34 bracket with the likes of Nesta, Seedorf, Brocchi, Oddo, Ambro(?), Emerson, Ronaldo... Feels like an old team to me, don't think the media can call Milan a youthful team..

Well, sometimes Media makes a big fuss out of thing, can't blame them, it's their job to sell news and get readership, but most of the time is simply stating the obvious, and in Milan's case these days, it's pretty simple.

I don't see why we can't change our GK right now in Jan, we made such a big fuss last season in signing Ronaldo and saying again and again how much impact he made for us and helped us get the 4th spot. And how his performance for 6 months warrants his stay at Milan and how we hope he can replicate it again this season.

If we can do it with an attacker, why not a goalie? A goalie wins games too, just go ask Buffon...

Jeff
05-01-2008, 23:59
If we can do it with an attacker, why not a goalie? A goalie wins games too, just go ask Buffon...

I do not believe that Buffon will leave Juventus. If he had wanted to leave, he would have left last season when Juventus was relegated.

Equating Buffon to Ronaldo as savior is a good comparison. I agree that Buffon will be a perfect substitution for Dida, but Buffon is probably the only person in the world who can replace Dida. Frey et al. are just fantasy names on paper right now who have little experience in Champion League game; indeed, will you compare Frey as Buffon or as Ronaldo (as a striker?)? I don't think so. I don't think they are on the same caliber, yet, though potentially they may.

If Buffon is coming to Milan in Jan, I"m all up for it, but it simply won't happen. Given that, I don't see how on earth any other keeper in the world will be able to replace Dida, except Buffon, at the middle of the season.

If MIlan has to replace DIda, it has to be someone who has some experiences in CL, but as you probably agree it's probably very very difficult to get them. With Juve back to CL next year, getting Buffon is almost impossible. It may be sensible to get Frey (et al) in June, but I don't think it's the right decision right now.

A note on Media: The media will not, I suppose, write any stories on a particular player unless there are fusses around them, and these fusses are mainly (but not all the time) created by the fans. You are right that it's the media's job to create all these nonsense, but if this is the case then why are we taking the media's words seriously in so many incidences?

The point is that I am always always skeptical about media's rumors and speculation; I think more than 50% (and this is a conservative number) of the time the rumor is nonsense, ridiculous, and stupid; written simply to create chaos among fans. But anyway...

Jeff
06-01-2008, 00:08
[QUOTE=zafrul]Jeff,

Kaka - I don't think it was the fans, more like the president ANNOUNCED that he WILL sign Kaka if elected President, and has been on the Kaka hunt ever sinced.

Adriano - maybe media does scrutinize every single move he makes, but he has been playing like crap and does not live like professional football player, i guess he's the britney spears or lindsey loohan of football... easy target!

Ronaldo - I do think the media is making a big fuss out of nothing...

Dida - This is the hottest topic right now, why? Yes fans want to replace him, for comical errors, celtic fiasco, costing us games etc etc. And it's not just a couple of games, it's been a while. So, is the media making a big fuss out of nothing?

Gilardino - After 3 years, I think most of us have come to terms with Gila not turning out to the next Paolo Rossi, which he had so much promise to be, when he was banging in goals for Parma... It's at the acceptance level, even at Milan where 34 year old Inzaghi is 1st choice... So, there is a chance of him leaving this summer..

Milan - I don't think the media is saying Milan is old because of 1 player, Milan is old because of numerous players... Cafu, Serginho, Inzaghi, Favalli, Dida, Maldini are 35 and over (except inzaghi 34), and most in this list are first choice... then there's the 30-34 bracket with the likes of Nesta, Seedorf, Brocchi, Oddo, Ambro(?), Emerson, Ronaldo... Feels like an old team to me, don't think the media can call Milan a youthful team..

Well, sometimes Media makes a big fuss out of thing, can't blame them, it's their job to sell news and get readership, but most of the time is simply stating the obvious, and in Milan's case these days, it's pretty simple.

I don't see why we can't change our GK right now in Jan, we made such a big fuss last season in signing Ronaldo and saying again and again how much impact he made for us and helped us get the 4th spot. And how his performance for 6 months warrants his stay at Milan and how we hope he can replicate it again this season.

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Kaka - Well, think about the discomfort that it creates among fans (and the joy among Real fans); that's what the media loves is n't it? If no one gives a fuss about Kaka's rumor, why will media bother :)?

Dida - I don't know if the media is making a big fuss out of nothing because of his mistakes; but I think it happens also to other goalkeepers in the world but we are unaware of; why doesn't the media then write about these stories?

The only reason I can think of is Dida's 'consistent' low-standard errors; but i'm not sure if it's the ridiculous level of mistakes that Dida make or the number of errors he make that attracts the most attention.

Remember: you can make a not-so-ridiculous-mistake and yet you concede goals: poor positioning, slow reflex, problematic punching etc.

Let me give you an example Ican think of: the game against Shakstar at San Siro. Isn't the GK's mistake to punch the ball out right at Seedorf and lost his positioning momentarily, which allows Seedorf to volley home?

Another example: Isn't it a lot of mistakes by GK who fails to prevent Pirlo's freekick? (e.g., recent goal by Pirlo against INter MIlan; if you look carefully, the wall is poorly positioned such that the ball is able to curve over the very right side of the wall to head home; the GK should be blamed becuase of awful positioning of the wall or lack of numbers in wall). Yes, Pirlo is a tricky freekicker, but with some attentions and skills, a lot of goals can be prevented (e.g., Deportivo's 4th goal by Milan a few years ago).

You see my point? It's just because of the ridiculous mistake by Dida doesn't necessarily mean that Dida is a poor GK. Frey can be less prone to these kinds of mistakes, but what if he is awful at letting in freekick goal? As a matter of fact, I really can't remember MIlan conceding any goal from direct FK (i.e., shoot stright at the GK). Perhaps once or twice which have slipped my mind surely, but is it not something that we should give credit to Dida, yet nobody notices?

Milan - Average age of the team is relatively old; but if you count on the starting XI in CL, it's just completely different. In fact, old teams like Italy and France are the finalist in world cup. Milan, being portrayed as old for 5 years, IS the most successful team in CL. I'm sure you don't want to fall into the Arsenal-age-level trap (which is playing great recently btw).

Hope this makes sense to you. - J

Giovanni
06-01-2008, 03:24
Jeff, you are a sensible and very respected poster.
But i couldn't disagree with you more about Dida: Dida has got the double or the triple of the usual tolerance any top club player normally receives.

And backing players over and over despite their performances won't make a better fans out of you. That's not loyalty. That's blindness.

(And i state this with the biggest respect and sympathy to you ).

zafrul
06-01-2008, 03:34
Dida - I don't know if the media is making a big fuss out of nothing because of his mistakes; but I think it happens also to other goalkeepers in the world but we are unaware of; why doesn't the media then write about these stories?

The only reason I can think of is Dida's 'consistent' low-standard errors; but i'm not sure if it's the ridiculous level of mistakes that Dida make or the number of errors he make that attracts the most attention.

Remember: you can make a not-so-ridiculous-mistake and yet you concede goals: poor positioning, slow reflex, problematic punching etc.

Let me give you an example Ican think of: the game against Shakstar at San Siro. Isn't the GK's mistake to punch the ball out right at Seedorf and lost his positioning momentarily, which allows Seedorf to volley home?

Another example: Isn't it a lot of mistakes by GK who fails to prevent Pirlo's freekick? (e.g., recent goal by Pirlo against INter MIlan; if you look carefully, the wall is poorly positioned such that the ball is able to curve over the very right side of the wall to head home; the GK should be blamed becuase of awful positioning of the wall or lack of numbers in wall). Yes, Pirlo is a tricky freekicker, but with some attentions and skills, a lot of goals can be prevented (e.g., Deportivo's 4th goal by Milan a few years ago).

You see my point? It's just because of the ridiculous mistake by Dida doesn't necessarily mean that Dida is a poor GK. Frey can be less prone to these kinds of mistakes, but what if he is awful at letting in freekick goal? As a matter of fact, I really can't remember MIlan conceding any goal from direct FK (i.e., shoot stright at the GK). Perhaps once or twice which have slipped my mind surely, but is it not something that we should give credit to Dida, yet nobody notices?

Milan - Average age of the team is relatively old; but if you count on the starting XI in CL, it's just completely different. In fact, old teams like Italy and France are the finalist in world cup. Milan, being portrayed as old for 5 years, IS the most successful team in CL. I'm sure you don't want to fall into the Arsenal-age-level trap (which is playing great recently btw).

Hope this makes sense to you. - J

I guess the whole Dida issue won't be such a big deal if he wasn't playing for Milan, but when you play for a team that has won the most trophies in the world and wants to be no.1 on the planet, then the standards are pretty high... he has to earn and justify the $3.5mil per year he pockets!

As you mentioned, the Shaktar keeper fumbled the ball to Seedorf, that's why he's still stuck at Shaktar and not in SerieA, La Liga or EPL...

But I expect our no.1 Milan keeper not only to have fundamental skills like setting defensive walls, proper keeper positioning, catching balls, rushing out and other basic fundamental stuff, but also sometimes to produce moments of magic (and I say moments, not all the time), like we get from Kaka's runs, Inzaghi's goals, Nesta tackles, Maldini's leadership, Gatusso's bite, Pirlo's freekicks...

Sorry to say Dida doesn't produce any magic whatsoever, instead produces Voodoo or some other black magic that sends me to total shock and spasm just by watching it...

Sorry, but my standards for the Milan no.1 is somewhat high...

On the Milan age, you are right to say that the World Cup final was played by 2 older teams, Italy and France... but for france, that was the end of a golden team that won the world cup and euro, the same for Italy as well...

But correct me if i'm wrong, the oldest player on the field was 34? I'm thinking Thuram, Cannavaro, Zidane (33?), and mind you that the World Cup is a 1 month event with a maximum of 7 games. It's not a 9 month long campaign with 40 games and internationals in between.

And our oldest player right now is 39, we have 2 wing backs at 37 (and our systems require the wing backs to cover the flanks)... So dude, I think we're pushing the concept of 'old world cup teams' a little bit too far...

Hey, whatever it is this is not a debate or anything, just sharing opinions and hope it's still all in good nature...

Cheers

prifess
06-01-2008, 04:31
everyone got his own opionion. mine is that we never changed style or gor some new players. we play with same team year by year.

and about gila, give him pato at his side and he will shine like a star, i am really convinced about that.

we don't have bench idd: favalli, brocchi, serginho, ronaldo, simic, ... all weak players
even ourt first team is weak: amborssini, oddo, gattuso, ronaldo, dida,...

we should really invest in players.

and finally action has been taken, it has come by our greatest talent: maldini, he also says nobody of the youth will go to first team. he want to change that by devolopping the youth more
love you maldini

zafrul
06-01-2008, 04:34
I do not believe that Buffon will leave Juventus. If he had wanted to leave, he would have left last season when Juventus was relegated.

Equating Buffon to Ronaldo as savior is a good comparison. I agree that Buffon will be a perfect substitution for Dida, but Buffon is probably the only person in the world who can replace Dida. Frey et al. are just fantasy names on paper right now who have little experience in Champion League game; indeed, will you compare Frey as Buffon or as Ronaldo (as a striker?)? I don't think so. I don't think they are on the same caliber, yet, though potentially they may.


I just had a thought, when we got Ronaldo to save our season, he was fat, out of shape and he just came back from injury...

That kinda shows how sad our attack was... and it's shown again how sad it is that Ronaldo isn't playing...

So, I can't be comparaing Ronaldo to Buffon, because Buffon is not fat, slow, out of shape and sliding down the hill... Getting Buffon (still the best on the planet) is comparable to getting Eto, Henry or even Drogba...

Therefore, we don't need Buffon (altho getting him would be a fantasy signing, can play in CL too!) to improve our Goalie situation... we just need someone that doesn't make blunders, and there's plenty out there...

Even if we storm Moscow and get Alkenviev (or whatever his name is) and kid does make some blunders (as some proclaim a goalie needs experience etc etc), we won't be making things worst, coz I don't think we can go any lower than what Dida has been doing the past few months...

prifess
06-01-2008, 04:40
ochoa, akinfieev are greatest GK talents. but they say milan was interested in a amazing brazilian talent 'bruno' i think.
we need someone. but it is not only our Gk that is not good. defence is also not good.
no what i say: al our team is not good enough.
galliani thinks that R9, kaka and pato will save the season... KAKA is no machine

zafrul
06-01-2008, 04:43
and about gila, give him pato at his side and he will shine like a star, i am really convinced about that.


You know, for some weird reason, I have the same gut feeling as well... I think we're not alone...

I hope it's not us just being hopeful-wishful Milan fans that wants to believe in a happy ending...

I still haven't given up to Gila... but I must say he's running out of time... till 31 May 2008 to be exact... :3band:

rosoneri_11
06-01-2008, 04:45
How about these news?

Drogba declares: I'm leaving Chelsea
tribalfootball.com - January 06, 2008

Didier Drogba has declared this will be his final season at Chelsea.

"It comes from me, I said what I am thinking, that I wanted to leave," he told Eurosport.

"The problem is that I say that I want to leave since two or three years.

"Mourinho's departure didn't help, to the contrary it made my desire to leave even bigger.

"I am not going to speak about that (his next club), we will in the meantime.

"My major objective is the ACN and winning all the interests we have to win when I'll return for Chelsea.

"The most important is the Champions League but when you are playing for the English title, you don't swipe on it."

prifess
06-01-2008, 04:47
hahhaa hopefully he will do what we feel :)
we'll see out first match what pato-gila will do if they carlo want to put them together on the field. because 1 attacker is to few.


----pato--- gila
------kaka-----
--seedorf---prilo


if he fails ill change my avatar :p

zafrul
06-01-2008, 04:53
Hey Guys,

Is it just me, or is Zambrotta not playing at Barca?

I briefly watched the Barca game yesterday, and he wasn't on the field... and come to think of it, I haven't seen him in a long time...

He injured or something?

Plus Ronaldinho not playing as well...

And both of them linked to us... Could it be? You think we're negotiating for them? They are finally coming over?

rosoneri_11
06-01-2008, 04:57
Hey Guys,

Is it just me, or is Zambrotta not playing at Barca?

I briefly watched the Barca game yesterday, and he wasn't on the field... and come to think of it, I haven't seen him in a long time...

He injured or something?

Plus Ronaldinho not playing as well...

And both of them linked to us... Could it be? You think we're negotiating for them? They are finally coming over?


I saw the game too. And i also saw Zambrotta at the bench!
As for Ronaldinho, i didn't saw him at the barca's bench.

kris
06-01-2008, 05:05
Hey Guys,

Is it just me, or is Zambrotta not playing at Barca?

I briefly watched the Barca game yesterday, and he wasn't on the field... and come to think of it, I haven't seen him in a long time...

He injured or something?

Plus Ronaldinho not playing as well...

And both of them linked to us... Could it be? You think we're negotiating for them? They are finally coming over?

Zambrotta was relegated to the bench some games ago. They put in Marquez in central defense and put puyol in the right. This is not the first game he sat on the bench, he have played very little recently.

Ronaldinho is said to have an injury.

I don't think they will come before the summer though, Barcelona don't have a replacement for Zambrotta in the squad and something big like Ronaldinho sounds more like a summer move.

Giorgos
06-01-2008, 05:20
We really need players.Good players! Firtsly we must sell Gilardino, he is a bad player for Milan, the player had his chanses for many many games!He is 3 years with us and he never showed us something.He is not a player for Milan, he is a very stupid striker.We must also sell Oliveira, he cant play in Italy, he is good only at spain.It was a bad transfer and very expensive too.
Then we must sell Ronaldo.Ronaldo is a great world class striker but the problem is that he plays 1 game in 20 games because of injuries + he is 31/32 years old.
So we bought Oliveira 17m euros + Gilardino 26m. euros + Ronaldo 7m. euros =50m. euros!!! , and finaly noone from these players didn't do their job good.We should sell them all.

In midfield carlo liked Ribery and he finaly bought Emerson. No comment!

In defence we need a RB and a LB for sure. We bought oddo for 7m euros and he played one good year.Now he is 32 and he is not good!And we need again a RB.Why we really bought him?Oddos transfer was good only for one year.On the other hand we got cafu who is 37 and he cant play 90mns.Finaly we have not a good RB!!!
As for the left back, well what i can say, we got Maldini 39...Ok he is our captain i can't talk bad.On the other hand we had Jankulofski......but where is Jankulofski? Finaly we had no a good LB.
In midfield we really need a player like ribery nothing else.
In GK place we really need 2 good GK's, we cant go on with Dida and Kalac.
Dida really need do be replacement everyone says it and Kalac should have been repalced from years earlier.How we trust Kalac for a second GK, the man can paly only at serie-G!Im worried to know whoes idea was Milan to buy that GK?

One of the most important for our club is that we really have not a good bench! Our bench is very very bad.Serginho,Cafu,Kalac,Emerson,Bonera,Brochi,favali...... we don't have a bench!
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Thats it.That was my opinion about what we should change in our team.

I agree to all except the Gila's situation...

Jim_UK
06-01-2008, 06:09
Thanks for the info Tony, i can always rely on you :proud:

Do you think Vargas could be used as a more advanced option, like Serginho? When Gio first mentioned him, i was hoping he was a winger rather than a full-back.

hany.Egypt
06-01-2008, 06:21
I dont know why most of you guys blame Gila all the time he? He could score alot this season he could be blamed for that but now alone why dont you blame his teammates for not creating chances and passing the ball to him when he's free? Why dont you blame Carlo for not playing with 2 strikers when we play agaist teams that defend with sth alike 9 or 10 defenders? Why not the managment for not buy new players for the coach? Why not those fans tha booing the team at San Sero so that our players lose confidence? Why not Inzagi for not scoring a single goal in the league or Carlo for depending on 30 + years old players? Etc etc etc.

What I want to say is of course Gila is mistaken but some of you makes him a scepgoat and the same comes for Dida, he makes some mistakes and at the same time some worldclass saves, and BTW all Milan players do the same with exception to Nesta who is always worldclass and Maldini 2 or 3 years ago.
We do have many problames in both defense and offens and Dida and Gila are not the only 2 reasons, even if we have Van Basten and Buffon in the team we will suffer of these problems, the team is realativly slow and old and some of our Midfielder are inconisitant, our fullbacks cant cross, our bench is very thin plus the fact that our team cant win a single game home, who could you blame only 2 players for all these problames.

rosoneri_11
06-01-2008, 06:55
I dont know why most of you guys blame Gila all the time he? He could score alot this season he could be blamed for that but now alone why dont you blame his teammates for not creating chances and passing the ball to him when he's free? Why dont you blame Carlo for not playing with 2 strikers when we play agaist teams that defend with sth alike 9 or 10 defenders? Why not the managment for not buy new players for the coach? Why not those fans tha booing the team at San Sero so that our players lose confidence? Why not Inzagi for not scoring a single goal in the league or Carlo for depending on 30 + years old players? Etc etc etc.




Why in all that years Pippo who is 34-35 is first choise over Gila?
I think from that question you can find the answer.

Giovanni
06-01-2008, 06:57
Thanks for the info Tony, i can always rely on you :proud:

Do you think Vargas could be used as a more advanced option, like Serginho? When Gio first mentioned him, i was hoping he was a winger rather than a full-back.

I don't know much about him, but he seems more attacking minded. Nonetheless i've got the impression that he can be a good defender too. Look forward to watch more games from him...
The price wouldn't be superior to 8 M Euro IMO.

prifess
06-01-2008, 07:51
Why in all that years Pippo who is 34-35 is first choise over Gila?
I think from that question you can find the answer.
well gila and pippo are 2 different types of players... don't compare them.
gila need co-striker
and pippo don't, he just stays in the box and rely's on 1 quick pippo action.
gila needs a fast striker next to him who creates openings.

and IMO it is not gila's fault. it is the whole team! he haven't got any decent ball to score.

hishamilan
06-01-2008, 08:21
guys ! i am sorry to go off point, but it is my point of view that we are bunch of dreamers who love milan and spend a lot of time speaking and debating on who is coming and who is leaving and many of us know for sure that these talks are pointless while others think that maybe galliani enter out forum and read our posts and do what we want.....!!!!! i am not saying that this posting isn't fun, but some people just are over reacting and ....!!! any way some local newspapers stated that ac milan has an egyptian goalkeeper in its youth programs ... something which looks very fictious but very nice so i am asking people who won't be mad from this post to check this up for me ( his name is mohammed el-ashram and he is 16/17 years old ) ... also folks who will not be mad ... since i will sit to the computer a lot i hope somebody could give me an easy free link to download the latest football manager , does it work on windows vista? , is it fun any way?... sorry again for going off point.... viva milano

rosoneri_11
06-01-2008, 08:28
well gila and pippo are 2 different types of players... don't compare them.
gila need co-striker
and pippo don't, he just stays in the box and rely's on 1 quick pippo action.
gila needs a fast striker next to him who creates openings.

and IMO it is not gila's fault. it is the whole team! he haven't got any decent ball to score.


Pipo with or not a co-striker is useful.Gila needs a striker to scores goals for him! :u56: Gila is a static player without fantasy or any good ability.
I know he was good at Parma but with us he is the worst player!
I will tell you something different.Gila is also a italian national player.At the world cup he started afew games in the basic 11, after the few games he was sitting at bench.From 2006 until now how many games has he palyed for italy and how many goals has scored?
As you say Gila needs a fast player to create openings for him, and Gila what is suposed then to do? to score easy goals from 1meter or 2 meters?Even Gattuso can do that role! Thats the most easy thing for a striker, i know many strikers that can do that and who don't costs 26m euros!
Why to have 1 fast, clever stiker and Gila instead of having 2 fast clever strikers.Thats better.Why we should buy players to help Gila?We should help Gila or Milan?
I don't know if anyone has realised that Gila is with us 3 years and he hadn't show us that he can be a world class striker or a key player for Milan.
The guy doesn't know how to make a control with the ball and you are saying that he needs a fast striker to create goals for him?Gila needs a striker to scores goals for him! :D

mrki
06-01-2008, 09:07
How can you people still defend Dida and Gila??

I DO respect Dida and he was simply brilliant for few seasons, but he cant do it anymore. You sould all know how it reflects on whole defence when you have a GK that isnt safe...

And Gila has showed he cant play for Milan. Period.

Just keep finmgers crossed that Pato play like Maradona and we catch 4th place...

kris
06-01-2008, 09:28
How can you people still defend Dida and Gila??

I DO respect Dida and he was simply brilliant for few seasons, but he cant do it anymore. You sould all know how it reflects on whole defence when you have a GK that isnt safe...

And Gila has showed he cant play for Milan. Period.


Black and white is not the only colors.

Mehdi
06-01-2008, 09:29
Who knows who will come this month, whatever, hopefully they're smart signings and they can help us immediately on all fronts.

What will happen is we will be disappointed again and sign no one. Regardless of what happens come May, repeat CL champs or not, Carlo will move on. The new manager, whoever he may be, will have a large transfer kitty and clear out the old and sign new players who suit his style. Why spend money on a player now that a new manager may not want six months later? It's wasteful spending.

So look forward to next season folks. Sure, we'll see the lads put forth their best efforts in game 7 of our 15-game season, but we're just going through the motions in the league right now.

The bloodbath begins in the summer. After Euro 2008, then we can go crazy and talk up the transfers. Right now, we're wasting our time.

Unfortunately I think you are 100% correct.

mrki
06-01-2008, 09:47
Black and white is not the only colors.

Truth and lyes are only possible paths...

Giovanni
06-01-2008, 10:45
Who knows who will come this month, whatever, hopefully they're smart signings and they can help us immediately on all fronts.

What will happen is we will be disappointed again and sign no one. Regardless of what happens come May, repeat CL champs or not, Carlo will move on. The new manager, whoever he may be, will have a large transfer kitty and clear out the old and sign new players who suit his style. Why spend money on a player now that a new manager may not want six months later? It's wasteful spending.

So look forward to next season folks. Sure, we'll see the lads put forth their best efforts in game 7 of our 15-game season, but we're just going through the motions in the league right now.

The bloodbath begins in the summer. After Euro 2008, then we can go crazy and talk up the transfers. Right now, we're wasting our time.

Carlo is going nowhere. Don't believe the international media bollocks. How can Ancelotti be sacked after what he achieved it's beyond me..

He's the most successful manager of the last 5 years. Looking at how these media work, i wonder why i put much effort in legal studies. I could pop up in the morning and invent every story, and being paid well for this as well !!!!!

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The new Milan players that can realistically join us in June are (not necessarely all together):

- Abbiati: he costs zero and he's at the same level of the other keepers you mentioned. Buffon is the only on another planet, or maybe Cech and a few others who are not on the market. So i'd call back Abbiati, considering the others offer no guarantee they are a class above what we already have.

- Zambrotta : he is the player we'll sign. Forget Alves and all the others. Milan history is not made of crazy signings in defence. The highest price i wold pay for a defender is 10-12 M.

- Manuel Vargas: it depends whether either Cafu and Serginho will leave. It's more likely that just one of them will leave.

- Amauri : he's a complete striker, and is the big guy we need upfront to open the closed lower table serie a defences.

- Ronaldinho: yes. Dinho can join us, because Berlusconi wants him and he will sign him. He will surely go away from Barcelona and i can't see any other team signing him.

Jeff
06-01-2008, 11:11
Jeff, you are a sensible and very respected poster.
But i couldn't disagree with you more about Dida: Dida has got the double or the triple of the usual tolerance any top club player normally receives.

And backing players over and over despite their performances won't make a better fans out of you. That's not loyalty. That's blindness.

(And i state this with the biggest respect and sympathy to you ).

Perhaps it's blindness; I think the bottom line is this (and to whoever bombarding Dida too): the situation won't get better with all the recent criticism against him. Everyone wants to see Milan fail (except us) because they are jealous; whatever negative news against MIlan the media, other fans will fully utilize it. It's ok to criticize our players, to be passionate for our team etc., but if it gets to the extreme when you have petition against certain players I think it's over the board and just show how ridiculous the fans are sometimes.

- J

hany.Egypt
06-01-2008, 11:16
I am not defending Dida Mrki, I know that he is finished and we need to replace him, but at the same time I am not goin to blame him like if he was the only reason that Milan is NO 12 in the league at the moment.
As for Gila yes I am defending him and I have my reasons to do so.
First he is our best striker this season and I am talking about numbers here, he scored 5 goals in the league and 4 in the Champions league, may be he could have scored more but even with those only 9 goals he stills our best goal scorer, Pipo on the other hand has scored only 5 goals this season 3 in the Champions league and 2 in Toyota cup, last season Gila scored 12 goals in the league and 2 in the CL +plus 1 disallowed goal against Bayern, while Pipo scored 2 in the league and 5 in the CL, one of those 5 goals was clear offside, in 2005/2006 Gila scored 17/16 goals in the league and 0 in the CL ,Pipo score 12 in Seria a and 4 in the Cl.
So in the last 3 sesaons
Gila scored 40 goals + that disallowed goal
Pipo score 28 goals one of them was offside
So Gila has scored more than Pipo in the last 3 seasons the reason that pepole dont blame Pipo is that he has some glorious moments with Milan plus his goals were more important/effective that Gila's ones (its a point of course ) but someone else may say that Pipo was just more lucky while Gila was not.
I am not saying that Gila is better than Pipo but I am saying that asking the management to sell our top scorer is just strange, when we get a better player then whine and complain of gila as much as you like but now he is our only option.

Jeff
06-01-2008, 11:17
Sorry, but my standards for the Milan no.1 is somewhat high...

And our oldest player right now is 39, we have 2 wing backs at 37 (and our systems require the wing backs to cover the flanks)... So dude, I think we're pushing the concept of 'old world cup teams' a little bit too far...

Hey, whatever it is this is not a debate or anything, just sharing opinions and hope it's still all in good nature...

Even if we storm Moscow and get Alkenviev (or whatever his name is) and kid does make some blunders (as some proclaim a goalie needs experience etc etc), we won't be making things worst, coz I don't think we can go any lower than what Dida has been doing the past few months...

You know, for some weird reason, I have the same gut feeling as well... I think we're not alone...

Cheers

1) I think I agree with you that the standard for MIlan no. 1 should be very very high.

2) I do not think that the 2 wing backs you mentioned are the regular; how often do they start together? I do, however, share with you the concern that our bench is a bit shallow and old.

3) Dida's time may well be up after May. But given the way our management works (which emphasize a lot about what you ahve achieved in hte past), and that Dida was indeed critical to our CL success in 02-03, I do not know if MIlan will tkae the active action to replace the GK because it has always been Milan's philosophy (of keeping their most valuable players even when the players become no longer valuable).

4) We can only tell if he can do it well with Pato (probably not Ronaldo who is so so injury-prone). But of course, people will start giving Pato all the credit instead of Gilardino. Trust me :).

Finally, of course it's all in good nature ;) - J

Jeff
06-01-2008, 11:30
At the world cup he started afew games in the basic 11, after the few games he was sitting at bench.From 2006 until now how many games has he palyed for italy and how many goals has scored?

As you say Gila needs a fast player to create openings for him, and Gila what is suposed then to do? to score easy goals from 1meter or 2 meters?Even Gattuso can do that role! Thats the most easy thing for a striker, i know many strikers that can do that and who don't costs 26m euros!

Why to have 1 fast, clever stiker and Gila instead of having 2 fast clever strikers.Thats better.

I don't know if anyone has realised that Gila is with us 3 years and he hadn't show us that he can be a world class striker or a key player for Milan.


Gilardino:
1) World Cup 1: He started against US and scored.
2) World Cup 2: He came as a sub against Germany and dribbled past 2 defenders (including Ballack) and shot, hit the right post.
3) World Cup 3: He passes the ball to Del Piero who scored the winning goal.

INzaghi:
1) World CUp: scored a goal against Czech Republic.

***

"As you say Gila needs a fast player to create openings for him, and Gila what is suposed then to do? to score easy goals from 1meter or 2 meters?Even Gattuso can do that role! Thats the most easy thing for a striker...!"

Gila is now replaced with Inzaghi:

"As you say Inzaghi needs a fast player to create openings for him, and INzaghi what is suposed then to do? to score easy goals from 1meter or 2 meters?Even Gattuso can do that role! Thats the most easy thing for a striker..."

Not sure if Inzaghi needs a fast player to create openings for him, but he does overall better when there is a fast player next to him (in my opinion).

Yes, INzaghi score easy goals from 1 to 2 meter.

NOt sure if Gattuso even know where to stand in front of gthe 1-2 meter if you insist.

****


Why do we need INzaghi at the beginning then? He is not fast; indeed, his fame is not that great only after coming to MIlan (I think, but I ma ybe wrong?)

****

The concept of key player is a difficult one to explain; I'll leave you with the idea that football is a team game.

Yes, Kaka is our 'key' player but he wouldn't be without his teammates. Why am I so sure about that? Look at Shevchenko.

Milan's system is now built around Kaka (not Gilardino, INzaghi, Pirlo, or anyone). but you need the system. Going anywhere else in the world, and Kaka will be back to normal.

And if Kaka leaves, Milan will find another central player, somehow, just like what we did after Shevehcnko left.

I think I offered enough evidence about Gilardino. He is not the best striker in the world, but he is also not as awful as someone of you portray.

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IN fact, there are other weak links in our team, such as Gattuso who is so so responsible for losing so many balls in mid-field; Oddo who simply never knows how to cross these days; Serginho who is responsible for defensive errors; or even Kaka for shooting in tight angles when INzaghi/Gila are in better positions (but this is a minute one).

I guess I"ll just choose to stay mute about these issues; I"m just a bit concerned about Gattuso's passing skills and Oddo's crossing (his defense is not as bad as some think). These are critical issues because Milan relies so much on ball control and wing back. Haven't anyone seen this problem?

mrki
06-01-2008, 11:36
Carlo is going nowhere. Don't believe the international media bollocks. How can Ancelotti be sacked after what he achieved it's beyond me..

He's the most successful manager of the last 5 years. Looking at how these media work, i wonder why i put much effort in legal studies. I could pop up in the morning and invent every story, and being paid well for this as well !!!!!

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The new Milan players that can realistically join us in June are (not necessarely all together):

- Abbiati: he costs zero and he's at the same level of the other keepers you mentioned. Buffon is the only on another planet, or maybe Cech and a few others who are not on the market. So i'd call back Abbiati, considering the others offer no guarantee they are a class above what we already have.

- Zambrotta : he is the player we'll sign. Forget Alves and all the others. Milan history is not made of crazy signings in defence. The highest price i wold pay for a defender is 10-12 M.

- Manuel Vargas: it depends whether either Cafu and Serginho will leave. It's more likely that just one of them will leave.

- Amauri : he's a complete striker, and is the big guy we need upfront to open the closed lower table serie a defences.

- Ronaldinho: yes. Dinho can join us, because Berlusconi wants him and he will sign him. He will surely go away from Barcelona and i can't see any other team signing him.


i would add that Drogba is a realistic future Milan player, even more than Amauri who I believe is not in Gallianis plans as a Palermo player. Also, Frey looks like a rel option as he doesnt look like he will prolong his contract with Fiorentina as he wants more wages, and we all know what does that mean in serie a... Also, Lucio 8 you'll see... :) )

And even Marzoratti and the young italian CB that now plays in bologna are some kind of an options. But with Zambrotta,

With Frey, Zambrotta, Drogba, Ronaldinho - who can ask for more? But even if that somehow happens, Im afraid for our 4th spot this year...

prifess
06-01-2008, 11:42
Gilardino:
1) World Cup 1: He started against US and scored.
2) World Cup 2: He came as a sub against Germany and dribbled past 2 defenders (including Ballack) and shot, hit the right post.
3) World Cup 3: He passes the ball to Del Piero who scored the winning goal.

INzaghi:
1) World CUp: scored a goal against Czech Republic.

***

"As you say Gila needs a fast player to create openings for him, and Gila what is suposed then to do? to score easy goals from 1meter or 2 meters?Even Gattuso can do that role! Thats the most easy thing for a striker...!"

Gila is now replaced with Inzaghi:

"As you say Inzaghi needs a fast player to create openings for him, and INzaghi what is suposed then to do? to score easy goals from 1meter or 2 meters?Even Gattuso can do that role! Thats the most easy thing for a striker..."

Not sure if Inzaghi needs a fast player to create openings for him, but he does overall better when there is a fast player next to him (in my opinion).

Yes, INzaghi score easy goals from 1 to 2 meter.

NOt sure if Gattuso even know where to stand in front of gthe 1-2 meter if you insist.

****


Why do we need INzaghi at the beginning then? He is not fast; indeed, his fame is not that great only after coming to MIlan (I think, but I ma ybe wrong?)

****

The concept of key player is a difficult one to explain; I'll leave you with the idea that football is a team game.

Yes, Kaka is our 'key' player but he wouldn't be without his teammates. Why am I so sure about that? Look at Shevchenko.

Milan's system is now built around Kaka (not Gilardino, INzaghi, Pirlo, or anyone). but you need the system. Going anywhere else in the world, and Kaka will be back to normal.

And if Kaka leaves, Milan will find another central player, somehow, just like what we did after Shevehcnko left.

I think I offered enough evidence about Gilardino. He is not the best striker in the world, but he is also not as awful as someone of you portray.

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IN fact, there are other weak links in our team, such as Gattuso who is so so responsible for losing so many balls in mid-field; Oddo who simply never knows how to cross these days; Serginho who is responsible for defensive errors; or even Kaka for shooting in tight angles when INzaghi/Gila are in better positions (but this is a minute one).

I guess I"ll just choose to stay mute about these issues; I"m just a bit concerned about Gattuso's passing skills and Oddo's crossing (his defense is not as bad as some think). These are critical issues because Milan relies so much on ball control and wing back. Haven't anyone seen this problem?
at las t some1 says the truth thank you
i have nothing to add

zafrul
06-01-2008, 11:54
Milan's philosophy (of keeping their most valuable players even when the players become no longer valuable).

4) We can only tell if he can do it well with Pato (probably not Ronaldo who is so so injury-prone). But of course, people will start giving Pato all the credit instead of Gilardino. Trust me :).

Finally, of course it's all in good nature ;) - J

I tend to wonder what's Milan ulterior motive behind keeping all these players until they are way pass their prime... is it a long term plan to make Milan 'a better choice' for players, that it's not all about 'i'll use you and kick you the moment you start to drop'... maybe some kinda of Jerry McGuire 'show me the love' kinda tactic... or was it show me the money?

Well, if Gila starts to score after Pato starts playing... then i suppose give the boy all the credit!!! :grinser:

By the way, I know it's pointless to start debating about transfer, but heck, it's fun, Mr. Inzaghi has kidney stones, he's out for a few days? Don't they operate that crap and take it out?

Ronaldo's out of shape and can hardly run, Inzaghi has some kidney problem... shouldn't Milan SERIOUSLY look into getting a striker?

It seems the fans are the most stressed people around, thinking, debating, analyzing on who should we buy... but i get the impression the dudes at Milan are chilled out, "Nah, we don't need anyone, just chill bro, we'll get 4th place"...

In the summer, Milan dudes went around beating their chest shouting "we'll sign a world class player" and we got jack! ... during the winter everyone shuts up... i wonder how will this mercate turn out...

ACMILAN1983
06-01-2008, 11:59
guys ! i am sorry to go off point, but it is my point of view that we are bunch of dreamers who love milan and spend a lot of time speaking and debating on who is coming and who is leaving and many of us know for sure that these talks are pointless while others think that maybe galliani enter out forum and read our posts and do what we want.....!!!!! i am not saying that this posting isn't fun, but some people just are over reacting and ....!!! any way some local newspapers stated that ac milan has an egyptian goalkeeper in its youth programs ... something which looks very fictious but very nice so i am asking people who won't be mad from this post to check this up for me ( his name is mohammed el-ashram and he is 16/17 years old ) ... also folks who will not be mad ... since i will sit to the computer a lot i hope somebody could give me an easy free link to download the latest football manager , does it work on windows vista? , is it fun any way?... sorry again for going off point.... viva milano

On the official site there's no mention of an Egyptian keeper at Milan.

Why in all that years Pippo who is 34-35 is first choise over Gila?
I think from that question you can find the answer.

Quick quiz, how many games has Gila started this season and how many Pippo? In addition to that, when was the last time Pippo scored a league goal for us?

Gila is not the main problem for our toothless attacking, as otherwise Pippo would be doing better too. Both are getting isolated against teams playing deep against us and neither has the space or support to make the difference. That's also why in home matches none our our strikers have scored since Catania last season. It's no coincidence that Gila's form was best this season when we pressed forward much more (but ended with conceding many goals too). Our balance isn't right yet, and it's up to the other players to push forward when needed or we need to bring in another player that can play off Gila up front (like Ronaldo was supposed to).

Jeff
06-01-2008, 12:03
I tend to wonder what's Milan ulterior motive behind keeping all these players until they are way pass their prime... is it a long term plan to make Milan 'a better choice' for players, that it's not all about 'i'll use you and kick you the moment you start to drop'... maybe some kinda of Jerry McGuire 'show me the love' kinda tactic... or was it show me the money?

Well, if Gila starts to score after Pato starts playing... then i suppose give the boy all the credit!!! :grinser:

By the way, I know it's pointless to start debating about transfer, but heck, it's fun, Mr. Inzaghi has kidney stones, he's out for a few days? Don't they operate that crap and take it out?

Ronaldo's out of shape and can hardly run, Inzaghi has some kidney problem... shouldn't Milan SERIOUSLY look into getting a striker?

It seems the fans are the most stressed people around, thinking, debating, analyzing on who should we buy... but i get the impression the dudes at Milan are chilled out, "Nah, we don't need anyone, just chill bro, we'll get 4th place"...

In the summer, Milan dudes went around beating their chest shouting "we'll sign a world class player" and we got jack! ... during the winter everyone shuts up... i wonder how will this mercate turn out...

I think the motive is to portray (and probably the truth) Milan as a family; that you won't easily get sacked because you play poor for a season (well, someone points out about Laursen; I guess there is always exception).

In psychology, there is something called psycholgical safety, the idea that whether the environment allows you to make mistake and be honest about your mistake. Research shows that psychological safety is related to positive outcomes such as learning and creativity.

It's not hard to see why Milan is defending their players; this is to create a psycholgoical safety so that they'll learn from their mistake and be creative in their future endeavor.

Of course it also creates great reputation about Milan to players from other clubs, so when you have to choose between Milan vs. another top-tier team you'll prefer Milan because of the excellent environment that everyone speaks of. Recent examples (e.g., shevchenko) seem to support this view. Given the ridiculous amount of pressure on some of the top players to produce, Milan seems to provide the perfect enviornment to thrive.

Many other positive externalities about keeping your players even if they are of low value; but only if you have the $$$ to keep them of course. These are just two points I can immediately think of. You can add more if you like.

Oh another one: the idea that the longer the players play togehter, the better the teamwork (which is very essential to football I'm sure you will agree...)

Alright... that's it from me for now. - J

zafrul
06-01-2008, 12:04
guys ! i am sorry to go off point, but it is my point of view that we are bunch of dreamers who love milan and spend a lot of time speaking and debating on who is coming and who is leaving and many of us know for sure that these talks are pointless while others think that maybe galliani enter out forum and read our posts and do what we want.....!!!!! i am not saying that this posting isn't fun, but some people just are over reacting and ....!!! any way some local newspapers stated that ac milan has an egyptian goalkeeper in its youth programs ... something which looks very fictious but very nice so i am asking people who won't be mad from this post to check this up for me ( his name is mohammed el-ashram and he is 16/17 years old ) ... also folks who will not be mad ... since i will sit to the computer a lot i hope somebody could give me an easy free link to download the latest football manager , does it work on windows vista? , is it fun any way?... sorry again for going off point.... viva milano

Hey dude, some where in this forum there's a thread "are people here mostly obssessed with Milan?"

I think the answer is yes!

Where else are you going talk for hours about Milan with people around the world, and talking about transfers is fun! :D

You just asked about Football Manager, you'll be lying if you don't admit that the best time of the game is when you kick the last ball of the season and it's TRANSFERS time!!!

You are damn right, it's pointless talking about transfers (as we most probably won't influence anything)... but that's football dude (i don't care what the americans say, it's not soccer!), it brings people together, spent countless hours talking about crap, because we love this game and all of us here definitely love this team called Milan (yes, i think Karim and Tony29 secretly loves Milan deep down inside) :ilol:

goose
06-01-2008, 12:06
Carlo is going nowhere. Don't believe the international media bollocks. How can Ancelotti be sacked after what he achieved it's beyond me..

He's the most successful manager of the last 5 years. Looking at how these media work, i wonder why i put much effort in legal studies. I could pop up in the morning and invent every story, and being paid well for this as well !!!!!


Yes he has been the most successful manager in the last five years. This makes him the most qualified candidate to lead Italy in WC 2010.

Looking at Italy's draw in Euro 2008, it's not outrageous to say the Azzurri may not even advance of their group. If that happens, it will be upheaval in the country. Donadoni, since the first day he stepped up to the job, hasn't been given the respect or fairness from the media and he will be gone the next day after Italy get eliminated if this likely scenario happens.

Enter Carlo, as said before very successful at a major club, good tactician, good at finding roles for players...Italy presents the next fresh challenge for him.

Look at our beautiful club, Giovanni. It's stale, predictable, slow, uninspired at times. Very simple, the players no longer hear the message. Billy a while back on the Milan Channel even said it. There's no injustice like Calciopoli to motivate the men, the players have won everything. It's very difficult these days to find something to galvanize the side. It's time for a complete reshuffling, rebuilding, rethinking. Starting from the top. I'm absolutely not having a go at Carlo, I'm extremely thankful for everything he has brought us, but time is up.

Lippi is out there, rested and ready to start the machine going again. Jose Mourhino, his impressive coaching credentials, striking good looks, likeable arrogant personality, he's hungry for a new challenge....

So save your energy people! The Ancelotti/Maldini era is ending. Enjoy the next half of the season and never forget the joy they've brought us.

The new era of Milan begins in June.

zafrul
06-01-2008, 12:10
So save your energy people! The Ancelotti/Maldini era is ending. Enjoy the next half of the season and never forget the joy they've brought us.

The new era of Milan begins in June.

Hey, I like that idea.. or thought...

Next time Milan play like crap and I feel like crap too, I'll remember this! :3band:

Siregar
06-01-2008, 12:11
But of course, people will start giving Pato all the credit instead of Gilardino. Trust me :).


I do trust you, no doubt about that! :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:

It's a totally different case between to hate Gila's performance and to hate Gila 'personally'.

rosoneri_11
06-01-2008, 12:12
Gilardino:
1) World Cup 1: He started against US and scored.
2) World Cup 2: He came as a sub against Germany and dribbled past 2 defenders (including Ballack) and shot, hit the right post.
3) World Cup 3: He passes the ball to Del Piero who scored the winning goal.

INzaghi:
1) World CUp: scored a goal against Czech Republic.

***

"As you say Gila needs a fast player to create openings for him, and Gila what is suposed then to do? to score easy goals from 1meter or 2 meters?Even Gattuso can do that role! Thats the most easy thing for a striker...!"

Gila is now replaced with Inzaghi:

"As you say Inzaghi needs a fast player to create openings for him, and INzaghi what is suposed then to do? to score easy goals from 1meter or 2 meters?Even Gattuso can do that role! Thats the most easy thing for a striker..."

Not sure if Inzaghi needs a fast player to create openings for him, but he does overall better when there is a fast player next to him (in my opinion).

Yes, INzaghi score easy goals from 1 to 2 meter.

NOt sure if Gattuso even know where to stand in front of gthe 1-2 meter if you insist.

****


Why do we need INzaghi at the beginning then? He is not fast; indeed, his fame is not that great only after coming to MIlan (I think, but I ma ybe wrong?)

****

The concept of key player is a difficult one to explain; I'll leave you with the idea that football is a team game.

Yes, Kaka is our 'key' player but he wouldn't be without his teammates. Why am I so sure about that? Look at Shevchenko.

Milan's system is now built around Kaka (not Gilardino, INzaghi, Pirlo, or anyone). but you need the system. Going anywhere else in the world, and Kaka will be back to normal.

And if Kaka leaves, Milan will find another central player, somehow, just like what we did after Shevehcnko left.

I think I offered enough evidence about Gilardino. He is not the best striker in the world, but he is also not as awful as someone of you portray.

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IN fact, there are other weak links in our team, such as Gattuso who is so so responsible for losing so many balls in mid-field; Oddo who simply never knows how to cross these days; Serginho who is responsible for defensive errors; or even Kaka for shooting in tight angles when INzaghi/Gila are in better positions (but this is a minute one).

I guess I"ll just choose to stay mute about these issues; I"m just a bit concerned about Gattuso's passing skills and Oddo's crossing (his defense is not as bad as some think). These are critical issues because Milan relies so much on ball control and wing back. Haven't anyone seen this problem?

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what i have seen from Gila's abilities is that he is a player without fantasy,without tehnique, he can't drible,he is not fast,he is not clever,he doesn't find spaces to take the ball,he doesn't score, he can't handle or control the ball and he don't know what to do with the ball when he has it.
Jeff i know, you know, and everyone know that Gilardino hadn't do his job right at Milan!He is not performing well! He had hes chances for 3 years but he still has not changed.Are you proud of what he has done with us?Are you proud that he is a Mlan player? I don't!

Jim_UK
06-01-2008, 12:42
- Zambrotta : he is the player we'll sign. Forget Alves and all the others. Milan history is not made of crazy signings in defence. The highest price i wold pay for a defender is 10-12 M.


What about Nesta? :grinser:

Boruc has signed a new contract extension with Celtic, so i guess we can almost certainly rule him out of any move.

When you think of all the players we could get inside of Italy (Frey, De Silvestri, Zapata, Vargas, Dossena, Cigriani, Amauri, Rosina), we can get some good quality players here. Add that to Zambrotta and you have a fine selection of affordable talent.

Giovanni
06-01-2008, 13:24
What about Nesta? :grinser:

Every rule has its exceptions :sun:

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On another note: guys, can you keep your messages shorter ? It's not properly a rule of the forums, but it would be polite (IMO) not to discourage those who follow the discussion with ecessively long posts

_Ace
06-01-2008, 13:27
Rosoneri? Gila isnt fast? he doesnt score? he doesnt know what to do when he has the ball ?

EVERYTHING you said he cant/doesnt do he did and still does it, but maybe i'm watching/talking about a diffrent Gila ?

He has 5 goals to his name? so how the bloody hell didnt he score? that means, he did open spaces for himself...
also, when he has the ball and cant pass a defender he passes to Kaka/seedorf or whoever and tries to run through the Offside-trap
and in Germany vs Italy, HE DID Dribble, and he still dribbles in Serie A
he's not fast? then why did he beat lazio's goal keeper to the ball like 3 times?
and how the hell does he run from 40meters out to the penalty area faster than almost all Milan plays if he's slow, HAS WINGS MAYBE?

And yes, i am proud to have Gila in Milan!

ThrusT
06-01-2008, 13:34
What about Nesta? :grinser:

Boruc has signed a new contract extension with Celtic, so i guess we can almost certainly rule him out of any move.

When you think of all the players we could get inside of Italy (Frey, De Silvestri, Zapata, Vargas, Dossena, Cigriani, Amauri, Rosina), we can get some good quality players here. Add that to Zambrotta and you have a fine selection of affordable talent.
I think we can add even more players to that list.

What do you guys think of Fiorentina's Manuel Pasqual as LB option?
He would also give us the possiblity to move up Janku to the midfield when Seedorf is not playing.

peters
06-01-2008, 15:20
... but maybe i'm watching/talking about a diffrent Gila ?
I think you are... he dribbles?? Surely you are talking about diff Gila.

hany.Egypt
06-01-2008, 15:40
I heard the Giovani dos Santos and Barca have disagreed about his future wage/salary and that some English clubs (Chelsea and ManUtd) are tying to sign him, if its true then we will be very stupid if we dont try to get him.
The source is Arabic so I am not going to pass it, and there source is The Sun is it realible?

kris
06-01-2008, 16:54
I think you are... he dribbles?? Surely you are talking about diff Gila.

He dribbled three on his first move in the Inter game. ;)

rt9
06-01-2008, 20:27
Jeff, I dont buy fully into the "psychological safety" argument. If that were the case, then why not give more freedom to Gourcuff. He seems to get a chance seldomly, makes tactical mistakes (because of age and rustiness), and then gets chastised for it, and benched the next game. Wouldnt you say he is the one who most needs the "psychological safety"?

I think this goes beyond psychological theories. Our managment is simply too "romantic" in their view and are unable to let go of the past and of players who are simply past their prime. IMO, we should have allowed Dida to go when his contract was up. His form was very much on the way down then, and we could very well have given another GK a shot. The same applies to a lot of our so-called "fringe" players---Favalli, Brocchi, Simic, Cafu, etc..I would very much rather sign young, promising players and have them back-up our starters, rather than have past-their-prime veterans who offer no long-term solution. I dont think it would be unreasonable to wave goodbye to players above 32-33 years old who are past their prime isnt it? Seems like all other clubs do it, including us until recently, where we tend to hold on to players for way too long.

Jeff
06-01-2008, 21:30
Jeff, I dont buy fully into the "psychological safety" argument. If that were the case, then why not give more freedom to Gourcuff. He seems to get a chance seldomly, makes tactical mistakes (because of age and rustiness), and then gets chastised for it, and benched the next game. Wouldnt you say he is the one who most needs the "psychological safety"?

I think this goes beyond psychological theories. Our managment is simply too "romantic" in their view and are unable to let go of the past and of players who are simply past their prime. IMO, we should have allowed Dida to go when his contract was up. His form was very much on the way down then, and we could very well have given another GK a shot. The same applies to a lot of our so-called "fringe" players---Favalli, Brocchi, Simic, Cafu, etc..I would very much rather sign young, promising players and have them back-up our starters, rather than have past-their-prime veterans who offer no long-term solution. I dont think it would be unreasonable to wave goodbye to players above 32-33 years old who are past their prime isnt it? Seems like all other clubs do it, including us until recently, where we tend to hold on to players for way too long.

rt9:
1) I think it's a good argument about Gourcuff and the concept of psychological safety (having a theory to be falsifiable only make the theory stronger :D). It will be important to examine why, above all, Gourcuff is not provided the safety-net. Several possibilities come up:

a) Ancelotti doesn't trust his ability.
b) He is overrated.
c) There is no room to let him experiment when compared to others who have a stronger pedigree than him.

etc etc...

2) The argument about getting romantic is again not without flaw. First, one of the assumptions underlying your argument lies with the word 'value'. Speciifcally, youare talking about value as the utility on the pitch. However,we may well be unaware of the utility of the player off the pitch. this, I suspect, is one reason why Ba is given a contract (to aid Gourcuff?); or why Milan is obssessed with Brazilians (no argentinian has come after Coluccini, except Redondo I suppose?)

Further, it's unclear how 'keeping' these 'old guards' can be related to Milan's success in the champion league. Perhaps the 'romance' theory you put forth may especially be useful in Champion League, but less useful in Serie A (where stamina for a season, hunger for success is the key).

Anyway, lots of other possible reasons; I'll let you simmer on that ;).

- J

MLM
06-01-2008, 23:08
The new Milan players that can realistically join us in June are (not necessarely all together):

- Abbiati: he costs zero and he's at the same level of the other keepers you mentioned. Buffon is the only on another planet, or maybe Cech and a few others who are not on the market. So i'd call back Abbiati, considering the others offer no guarantee they are a class above what we already have.



last time i heard he wants to extend his contract with Atletico Madrid for another 1 year (he will be with Atletico until June 2008 according to his contract). but he has contract expiring with Milan until 2010.call him back wouldn't be a crime though :tong: but perhaps another option would be nice someone like Sebastian Frey ? or voices are pointing to Amelia now ;)

remote2book
06-01-2008, 23:26
Drogba: I Want To Leave Chelsea

Didier Drogba has spoken publicly about his intentions to leave Chelsea.



zoom - galleria The Ivorian striker has made it clear that this will be his last season in The Blues jersey and recent reports have suggested he may be wearing a black and red shirt come September.

Drogba has revealed that he has wanted to leave for quite some time and Jose Mourinho’s departure from the West London club was enough to convince him.

“It comes from me, I said what I am thinking, that I want to leave,” Drogba told Eurosport.

“The problem is that I have wanted to leave for two or three years. Mourinho’s departure didn’t help me, in fact it made my desire to leave even bigger.”

Recent speculation has suggested the Ivorian will be playing his football at Milan under Jose Mourinho.

Milan have not had the best of seasons in Serie A and Carlo Ancelotti’s position at the club seems uncertain. If Ancelotti does leave then this would leave the door open to Mourinho.

According to The People, a source believed to be close to Drogba quoted the player as saying: “Drogba told Chelsea he will be leaving in the Summer and that he would join Mourinho at Milan, this is why Avram Grant is looking for a striker.”

According to Italian media reports Milan are willing to spend 54 million euros to lure the Ivorian to San Siro. However Drogba has decided to remain quiet over his future and outlined his objectives for the rest of the season.

“I’m not going to speak about this, however we will soon,” the Ivorian continued.

“My major objective is the African Cup of Nations and to win more things with Chelsea when I return.”

“The most important is the Champions League but when you play for the English title you don’t swipe on it.”

Ancelotti is favourite to take over from Roberto Donadoni should Italy fail to do well at Euro 2008 and, should this happen, Milan would be looking for a top European coach and the man most likely to take a vacant role with the Italian giants is Mourinho.

source: www.goal.com

rt9
06-01-2008, 23:53
Jeff,

I'm still simmering and will continue to do so until we start buying some QUALITY players!! :) You do make some good points about club environment, though, and I guess the issue here is with balance---how do we get a good balance between a serene, tranquil environment, and one with hunger, passion, desire to win trophies? Same argument goes for youth and experience. IMO, we are leaning a little too close towards the experience side of things and a little less towards innovation and passion.

Remote: I was thinking exactly the same as you when I saw the Drogba quotes. It sure looks like he knows where he'll be moving on to next, and it is also strange how the Mourinho to Milan rumours are flying despite the fact that we just won the Club WOrld Cup, won the CL last year, and there are plenty of other so-called big clubs, ie Bayern, Barca, ?Juventus--who may need a high profile manager like Mourinho. I personally think that this will be Carlo's last year with us, if he doesnt join the Italian NT right away, then at least he'll be re-charging his batteries until the time comes. As for Mourinho, if he comes, brings Drogba, and tones down a little---i'd be more than happy :)

Jeff
07-01-2008, 00:49
Drogba will be a great addition to our current squad. With the aging (!) Inzaghi and the ever-under-fire Gilardino on the bench, Pato + Drogba will be amazing. - J

Paolo3
07-01-2008, 01:41
']Have people watched Ochoa playing for America or do they guide themseleves with Football Manager?
IMO he is overrated as a keeper, he makes tons of stupid mistakes but then he can impress with an spectacular save. Not a big fan of him.

I watch the guy play every game as I'm also a fan of America, and I can tell you that you're wrong about him, he's not overrated at all, he's that good....he make mistakes every once in a while like any GK on the world but he save his team many times during a match, he even took his team to the Copa Sudamericana final about a month ago, and trust me, with the defence America has that's a huge achievment.....and he's only 22 yo, so he still has a lot of room to improve on his already impresive career.

Giovanni
07-01-2008, 02:33
last time i heard he wants to extend his contract with Atletico Madrid for another 1 year (he will be with Atletico until June 2008 according to his contract). but he has contract expiring with Milan until 2010.call him back wouldn't be a crime though :tong: but perhaps another option would be nice someone like Sebastian Frey ? or voices are pointing to Amelia now ;)
I'm sure Abbiati would come back home if Galliani calls him back. Between Abbiati, Frey and Amelia i don't see substantial difference. The biggest difference is that Frey would cost 15+ million euros and Amelia isn't reliable at top level.

The point is: Buffon is a class above. The other candidates are more or less on the same level.

hany.Egypt
07-01-2008, 05:11
I am not fan of Abbiati, he is good but not that good, I still dont know who should be our GK as buffon is way unrealistic and there is no good availble goalies in the scene, if Ochoa is good then sign him now he is young and can improve.

Tony75
07-01-2008, 05:26
Abbiati is on loan for a reason. Not good enough as number one,and he refuses to accept being number two. Maybe use Storari as number 2, and get rid of every other kpr we have on books all 6 of them - Dida, Kalac, Fiori, Abbiati, Coppola, Efelethropous. Let's have a look at the Carrizo situation with Lazio too.

Siregar
07-01-2008, 05:46
Drogba Yes, Maurinho never! :D

Stop football from super-ultra defensive and boring play. Maurinho :rr30:

hany.Egypt
07-01-2008, 05:57
Well, I have to say that I will be very happy if we play defensive and boring football and win titles :)

Siregar
07-01-2008, 06:08
I would be more than happy if we dont play defensively and boringly but win the titles. The man who was said the number two could bring Milan 3 times in CL final with beautiful play (of course not every game). So there is no reason to play defensively and boringly if we have a much better choice.

hishamilan
07-01-2008, 06:16
i read an interview with ancelotti at which he noted that more than 5 years in the same club is not healthy for neither the club nor the manager so unless the board refuses to leave me at all i think i will.<source... maybe official site>...!!!!
anyway even if mourinho comes if this list gio mentioned is the ceiling of our expectations for the summer mercato... it's VERY bad...!!!!

Giovanni
07-01-2008, 08:09
Frey and Boruc aren't a class above Abbiati. And they cost 10-15 M...which we don't use for other players.
I would spend big moneys just on Buffon.

Tony75
07-01-2008, 08:38
I disagree. Boruc & Frey are both more reliable than Abbiati, who is prone to rushes of blood to the head. Our priorities during summer have to be in goal & upfront. 10 -15 mill isn't too much to spend on either of those players mentioned, whilst still having enough for the rest of the squad.

Stitch
07-01-2008, 09:14
Milan Offer Gilardino For Frey – Report AC Milan are ready to offer Alberto Gilardino in a part-exchange offer to sign Fiorentina goalkeeper Sebastien Frey, according to the Corriere della Sera.
Milan Offer Gilardino For Frey – Report


Rossoneri boss Carlo Ancelotti has lost all faith in current shot-stopper Nelson Dida, who has made a huge number of catastrophic errors this season.

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=538148



Milan have drawn up a list of possible replacements for the Brazilian, and the names include Fiorentina’s Sebastien Frey, Celtic’s Artur Boruc, and PSV Eindhoven’s Gomes.



Ancelotti’s favoured option is Frenchman Frey, who has been absolutely outstanding this term.



In order to get Frey, Milan will offer forward flop Alberto Gilardino in part-exchange. The 25-year-old signed for the Rossoneri in 2005 from Parma and there were high expectations of the big frontman.



However Gila has been a huge disappointment and has shown few signs that he is capable of playing for such a prestigious club.



Fiorentina Coach Cesare Prandelli is an admirer of Gilardino having worked successfully with him in the past at Parma, and is keen to re-unite with the player.



Gilardino scored an impressive 50 goals in 96 games during his three-year spell at the Ennio Tardini.

MLM
07-01-2008, 09:16
lol, well, Kaka wouldn't be pleased if we got rid of him . I think he's as a player who makes up the numbers, I'd love to see him playing the odd Coppa match at DM

lolz.. he didn't impressed when he played against Catania in Coppa.btw i think that was the 1st time he played for 90 minutes in Milan's official game.. and look what we got? :tong: but i've been impressed with Alberto Paloschi's performance in that game ;)

I'm sure Abbiati would come back home if Galliani calls him back. Between Abbiati, Frey and Amelia i don't see substantial difference. The biggest difference is that Frey would cost 15+ million euros and Amelia isn't reliable at top level.

The point is: Buffon is a class above. The other candidates are more or less on the same level.

of course Buffon is CLASS.but it will be the same question like: could u take the moon for me? :D Buffon is loyal.he will stays in Juve.give the chance to Frey.and Amelia is the 2nd GK in Italy while Abbiati just 3rd.but my suggestion is go for Frey (more realistic).although i would die coz i'm happy if we could sign for Gigi.


I disagree. Boruc & Frey are both more reliable than Abbiati, who is prone to rushes of blood to the head. Our priorities during summer have to be in goal & upfront. 10 -15 mill isn't too much to spend on either of those players mentioned, whilst still having enough for the rest of the squad.

i agreed..our major problem is GK and "someone who will be able to score in Europe and Serie A". i always pissed off when everytime ppl says Milan is AC.Kaka.but can u blame them for that? apparently only him who knows where is the net :D

Tony75
07-01-2008, 09:36
lolz.. he didn't impressed when he played against Catania in Coppa.btw i think that was the 1st time he plays for 90 minutes in Milan's official game.. and look what we got? :tong: but i've been impressed with Alberto Paloschi's performance in that game ;)



of course Buffon is CLASS.but it will be the same question like: could u take the moon for me? :D Buffon is loyal.he will stays in Juve.give the chance to Frey.and Amelia is the 2nd GK in Italy while Abbiati just 3rd.but my suggestion is go for Frey (more realistic).although i would die coz i'm happy if we could sign for Gigi.



i agreed..our major problem is GK and "someone who will be able to score in Europe and Serie A". i always pissed off when everytime ppl says Milan is AC.Kaka.but can u blame them for that? apparently only him who knows where is the net :D
Apparently Ronaldo knows too. It's just past the local McDonalds. :sigh:

Giovanni
07-01-2008, 09:55
of course Buffon is CLASS.but it will be the same question like: could u take the moon for me? :D

the moon, the sun, saturn, and whatever you want :5love: :kiss: :hopefull:


:D :sun:

e-Milan
07-01-2008, 10:32
so... swap frey - gila, bring on paloschi n drogba.... woohoo

anyway, is zambrotta already with us ?

prifess
07-01-2008, 11:03
no gila-frey swap

we need to buy a GK not exchanging players :s

rosoneri_11
07-01-2008, 11:10
Rosoneri? Gila isnt fast? he doesnt score? he doesnt know what to do when he has the ball ?

EVERYTHING you said he cant/doesnt do he did and still does it, but maybe i'm watching/talking about a diffrent Gila ?

He has 5 goals to his name? so how the bloody hell didnt he score? that means, he did open spaces for himself...
also, when he has the ball and cant pass a defender he passes to Kaka/seedorf or whoever and tries to run through the Offside-trap
and in Germany vs Italy, HE DID Dribble, and he still dribbles in Serie A
he's not fast? then why did he beat lazio's goal keeper to the ball like 3 times?
and how the hell does he run from 40meters out to the penalty area faster than almost all Milan plays if he's slow, HAS WINGS MAYBE?

And yes, i am proud to have Gila in Milan!


Gila mate has 4 goals not 5 goals!
He has 4 Serie-a goals and 2 CL goals.
Gila mate is the third choice striker at Milan.After Pipo and Ronaldo, Gila comes 3rd, and very soon with Pato he will become a fourth choice striker .So you should realise that Gila is not playing or will not play too much because he is not playing good.Gila is not a top class striker.

prifess
07-01-2008, 11:14
pippo will retire soon and so will R9

Mr. Anonymous
07-01-2008, 11:14
Frey and Boruc aren't a class above Abbiati. And they cost 10-15 M...which we don't use for other players.
I would spend big moneys just on Buffon.

Boruc definately is above Abbati. There actually no comparision. He is in large part the reason for Celtic being dominant in their domestic league & over acheiving in the Champions League.
Did you see what happen to Celtic when he was out of their line up for his operation? They were losing and drawing games to sub par opponents. He's back now and the looked different. (Although their past 2 games have been pp)
I will put my neck on the line and say...Boruc will make life REALLY difficult for Barca and if he is really on they might even advance. BOLD prediction, yes, out of the realm of ppssibility no. I say pay the buy out clause and bring him next year. (as long as it's not crazy $$$)

Someone also mentioned Ochoa's name and he is definatley underrated. WHY? Because he doesn't play in Europe. What makes it worse is that he doesn't play in the Argentine or Brazilian league either. How many Mexican goal keepers are there in Europe?
People know he pretty good...but he's actually brillant, he's aggressive, good with good reflexes, and does very good on crosses. He also always seems to be in the right position to cut of the angle on a shot or pass in the box. In a league like the Mexican League where defense is suspect he is excellent.

My girlfriend is Mexican, and she has this sattelite dish/box that pics up feeds from Mexico. So I saw him all this year, and believe me if he was playing in Europe the way he plays in Mexico all the big teams would be fighting for him.

UNDERRATED!!!

Anyone of the two would be excellent!!!

rosoneri_11
07-01-2008, 11:21
pippo will retire soon and so will R9

Yes. Right now we have Pato and for sure we are gonna buy and another Striker like....Amauri/Benzema......and Gila we be again a thrird choice striker!
So no problem he will be at bench for sure! :happy:

Giorgos
07-01-2008, 12:21
I still believe that Gila can play much much better with a second forward near him...

zafrul
07-01-2008, 12:49
I hope it's just media crap, but goal.com saying that Barca going to buy Amelia...

zafrul
07-01-2008, 12:50
And how Zambrotta is set for a shock Juve move...

Sigh... I hope we sign him...

kris
07-01-2008, 13:20
Gila mate has 4 goals not 5 goals!
He has 4 Serie-a goals and 2 CL goals.
Gila mate is the third choice striker at Milan.After Pipo and Ronaldo, Gila comes 3rd, and very soon with Pato he will become a fourth choice striker .So you should realise that Gila is not playing or will not play too much because he is not playing good.Gila is not a top class striker.

Ah, misinformation, the next tactic in putting down Gilardino.

Gila goals: 5 serie A, 2 UCL.
Inzaghi goals: 0 serie A, 2 UCL. (scored in other cups, you can count him in finals)
Kaka: 7 serie A, 1 UCL.
Ronaldo and Pato 0. for obvious reasons.

Now put over the penalties that Kaka scored and Gila would have a very good statistics and the rest would have quite miniscule ones. I think it is four penalties or even 5 in serie A, excluding a missed one. That would put Gila on 9 or 10 goals.

Arildonardo
07-01-2008, 13:22
so... swap frey - gila, bring on paloschi n drogba.... woohoo

anyway, is zambrotta already with us ?
Nope, Zambrotta is not ours...

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=538631

Giovanni
07-01-2008, 13:30
Boruc definately is above Abbati. There actually no comparision. He is in large part the reason for Celtic being dominant in their domestic league & over acheiving in the Champions League.
Did you see what happen to Celtic when he was out of their line up for his operation? They were losing and drawing games to sub par opponents. He's back now and the looked different. (Although their past 2 games have been pp)
I will put my neck on the line and say...Boruc will make life REALLY difficult for Barca and if he is really on they might even advance. BOLD prediction, yes, out of the realm of ppssibility no. I say pay the buy out clause and bring him next year. (as long as it's not crazy $$$)


Convincing post. I admit i'm not super informed about Boruc, so i will wait for more informed comments about him and to see more in the next CL tie.

Jim_UK
07-01-2008, 13:51
I don't like this gila-frey part-exchange! Gilardino may not be as good as he was but he's in his mid 20's and has scored more serie a goals than most other strikers around! Yet we're supposed to give Fiorentina money AND Gilardino? I don't think so! Gilardino must be worth a minimum of about £8 million and there is no way Frey is worth a substantial amount more than him.

I'd be disappointed if Zambrotta does go back to Juve instead of us, but you can understand why he would go back. It would mean we would need another right back to go along with a new left back as neither Jankulovski or Oddo can last a whole season.

Siregar
07-01-2008, 14:14
I think, Gila-Frey or Gila-other player exchange would never happen as Milan always states that they give their full trust and hope to Gila and he will be Milan striker for years/for the future.

Anyone ever heard that Gila 'bought' part of his contract with Parma before joining Milan? I've read somewhere that Gila decided not to take a certain percent from the transfer fee (which should actually go to his pocket), so he could join Milan.

Graeme C
07-01-2008, 14:36
im looking forward to see how gila does when he plays with pato, hopefully he will get back to how he was when he useto play with sheva.

_Ace
07-01-2008, 14:49
Ah, misinformation, the next tactic in putting down Gilardino.

Gila goals: 5 serie A, 2 UCL.
Inzaghi goals: 0 serie A, 2 UCL. (scored in other cups, you can count him in finals)
Kaka: 7 serie A, 1 UCL.
Ronaldo and Pato 0. for obvious reasons.

Now put over the penalties that Kaka scored and Gila would have a very good statistics and the rest would have quite miniscule ones. I think it is four penalties or even 5 in serie A, excluding a missed one. That would put Gila on 9 or 10 goals.
Good post Kris.. :)

If Carlo has faith in Dida, why shouldnt he have faith in a striker that is 2nd top scorer in Milan :)
so, Bottom point, Gila-Frey swap is just bullsh*t romurs, end of disscusion

kris
07-01-2008, 15:01
I should add that my personal point of view is that Gilardino have not been a succes with us. But I think there is to much blame laid on his feets and to much talk about him being the problem when we have more important problems that would help us much more than kicking out Gila. This even moreso when our other strikers gets almost o critisizm even if they don't produce. I can understand when it comes to Inzaghi since he scored in the right games, even if I don't trust him at all when it comes to serie A, hell he have not scored much in serie A one single season for us. Oliveira? I saw people talking all season long about giving him "more chances" while still complaining about Gila. I am not sure what was so amazing about Oliviera blazing the ball into the sky over Gila heading in the odd goal.

Now if we sign a top striker that puts in 20+ goals and sell Gila then I for sure won't complain.

Warro Bantan
07-01-2008, 15:08
I much rather have Gila on my team than playing against my team...so I am happy that he is here, and at his age, he can improve big time...so lets not rush...what am I saying? Who am I talking to? Most of you anti-Gila fans have made up your minds already. :rollani:

Suffice it to say, kindly eat your own words when (and not if) he starts producing, without any of us who wish to give him more time, asking you so to do.

Thanks.

jtelly
07-01-2008, 16:12
Warro, how much time do we get to give him? Year? Two? Six? Just want to check so I don't go hungry waiting to eat my words!

Giovanni
07-01-2008, 16:16
Luca Cattani, biggest market expert in Italy, said that Zambrotta has been substantially (not yet formally) signed before the winter break and will join the club in June.
Reliable source. This guy has a lot of contacts with agents and people close to the club.

He gave Frey as first choice for the keeper spot, and Helton (Porto) as second.

prle
07-01-2008, 16:30
Luca Cattani, biggest market expert in Italy, said that Zambrotta has been substantially (not yet formally) signed before the winter break and will join the club in June.
Reliable source. This guy has a lot of contacts with agents and people close to the club.

He gave Frey as first choice for the keeper spot, and Helton (Porto) as second.
that`s great news!!!!!
does anyone has any information about mourinho and drogba coming to milan in summer

_Ace
07-01-2008, 16:33
nothing confimed yet... just wait and see. lol

Siregar
07-01-2008, 16:37
Luca Cattani, biggest market expert in Italy, said that Zambrotta has been substantially (not yet formally) signed before the winter break and will join the club in June.

The club = Milan? or Juve? I just saw there is also news connected him to Juve.

ACMILAN1983
07-01-2008, 16:39
lolz.. he didn't impressed when he played against Catania in Coppa.btw i think that was the 1st time he played for 90 minutes in Milan's official game.. and look what we got? :tong: but i've been impressed with Alberto Paloschi's performance in that game ;)

He had a mixed game against Catania. Yes he was at fault on both goals, but he did improve a lot after that. He's not of Milan standard realistically but he could be ok with some work. Paloschi was excellent that match, and deserves the credit he gets.

of course Buffon is CLASS.but it will be the same question like: could u take the moon for me? :D Buffon is loyal.he will stays in Juve.give the chance to Frey.and Amelia is the 2nd GK in Italy while Abbiati just 3rd.but my suggestion is go for Frey (more realistic).although i would die coz i'm happy if we could sign for Gigi.

I think Buffon's loyalty is mostly down to calciopoli, I still believe had it not happened he'd be with us now (there were a number of very strong rumours of him joining us ;) ).

i agreed..our major problem is GK and "someone who will be able to score in Europe and Serie A". i always pissed off when everytime ppl says Milan is AC.Kaka.but can u blame them for that? apparently only him who knows where is the net :D

Milan has a lot of quality, Kaka alone can't do everything. This we proved last season in CL (Kaka was vital, but he didn't win it alone). :)

Tony29.
07-01-2008, 16:49
Zambrotta signing for Juve = impossibile
So, don't panic :)

Not only that he's not wanted by the fans, probably not wanted by Juve's big 5 but he also said how he was ashamed he played for Juve ( not ashamed to earn millions of Euro though).
Personally, i'd hate it if Juve think about signing Zambrotta, as do most of the Juve fans i know.

He should sign for Milan if nothing unexpected happens.

Siregar
07-01-2008, 17:05
Zambrotta signing for Juve = impossibile
So, don't panic :)

Not only that he's not wanted by the fans, probably not wanted by Juve's big 5 but he also said how he was ashamed he played for Juve ( not ashamed to earn millions of Euro though).
Personally, i'd hate it if Juve think about signing Zambrotta, as do most of the Juve fans i know.

He should sign for Milan if nothing unexpected happens.
Ah, if it is the case, Milan definitely welcome him (at least the fans :D). Thanks for the info, Tony29.

Vadim
07-01-2008, 17:36
Gila goals: 5 serie A, 2 UCL.
Inzaghi goals: 0 serie A, 2 UCL. (scored in other cups, you can count him in finals)
Kaka: 7 serie A, 1 UCL.
Ronaldo and Pato 0. for obvious reasons.



Agree completely with your post kris, but doesn't Kakà have 2 in CL and not 1? The penalty against Celtic and that sweet strike against Shakhtar in Ukraine, no?

I promised myself I wouldn't give in to the Pato hype when he first arrived. I didn't feel like we should have placed so much expectations on an 18-year old kid, and I felt that any contribution from him this season should have been viewed as a luxury. But now, I have to admit, I've jumped on the Pato bandwagon and am counting down the days until Sunday.

Its not just the 30 goals, next Ronaldo, better than Ronaldinho, future Golden Ball winner talk. Its how his contribution, and even presence will help the performances of the squad and those around him. We have to admit that Ricky, for all his CL and Club World Cup magic, has not been living up to his standards in Serie A for the past two seasons. Granted, even the best players have cold streaks, but I think for him its different. Although, as Piccinini dubbed him on the fateful night of May 2 he is l'extra-terrestre he can not be expected to dribble around everyone, causing defenders to crash into each other and score in every match. With only one striker, especially a box striker such as Pippo and/or Gila, it is not difficult for Serie A- caliber defenders to close down the single striker and place a man mark on Smoking Bianco (Pellegatti this time), and effectively nullify our attacking threat, and this has been done to devastating effect, as we have observed this season. When Sheva was here, Ricky was given more space and tore up the defense, which is the reason I can't wait Pato's debut, hopefully in a 4-3-1-2 system partnering Gila, who, coincidentally (or maybe not) also played his best season with us alongside Sheva.