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Capo Ultra
07-01-2008, 18:43
Although, as Piccinnini dubbed him on the fateful night of May 2 he is l'extra-terrestre he can not be expected to dribble around everyone, causing defenders to crash into each other and score in every match.
Chi è quest'uomo?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GvVeZK7Qz2M
Rete! Rete! Rete! Il Milan in vantaggio! Ancora Lui! L'extra-terrestre!
One of my favorite Italian announcers, along with Pellegatti and Crudelli. You should hear him when Pippo scores! I'm not sure if he's Milanista, but I love his enthusiasm anyway.
Edit: I spelled his name wrong, its Sandro Piccinini.
Capo Ultra
07-01-2008, 19:05
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GvVeZK7Qz2M
Rete! Rete! Rete! Il Milan in vantaggio! Ancora Lui! L'extra-terrestre!
One of my favorite Italian announcers, along with Pellegatti and Crudelli. You should hear him when Pippo scores! I'm not sure if he's Milanista, but I love his enthusiasm anyway.
Edit: I spelled his name wrong, its Sandro Piccinini.
Ah, it's him..! I never got his name, but I remember and know him well. I simply love it when he says "Rete! Rete! Rete!".
I also remember him from the 02-03 season, when we won the Champions League. The way he yelled "Inzaghi, Inzaghi" (every time he scored) was absolutely fantastic!
Forza Piccinini!
You know, now that I think about it I think I might have made a mistake. This might be someone else who I'm confusing him with someone else. Can one of our Italian members confirm. I think this might be Piccinini:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2n9x7_inzaghi-2nd-goal-with-sandro-piccin_events
Edit: Yeah Capo, I'm sorry but it wasn't Piccinini, I believe the "Rete!" announcer is Maurizio Compagnoni, I've youtubed him and all the videos seem to suggest that he is indeed him. Wow, I can't believe I just spend thirty minutes researching a football commentator :D
Vadim, crazy weather we're having, eh? Watch out for lightning.
Can't wait for Pato-strikes, I agree with your thinking that it will be good to just have some young, eager, fresh talent running around. I hope he's great and that those around him rise up to a new level.
Capo Ultra
07-01-2008, 19:44
Edit: Yeah Capo, I'm sorry but it wasn't Piccinini, I believe the "Rete!" announcer is Maurizio Compagnoni, I've youtubed him and all the videos seem to suggest that he is indeed him. Wow, I can't believe I just spend thirty minutes researching a football commentator :D
Hahaha! Grande! Grazie per il tuo research/lavoro ;)
And yes, it can only be him. I love his entusiasm :D
Vadim, crazy weather we're having, eh? Watch out for lightning.
Can't wait for Pato-strikes, I agree with your thinking that it will be good to just have some young, eager, fresh talent running around. I hope he's great and that those around him rise up to a new level.
Tell me about it, 20 degrees one day, 60 the next. Only in Chicago :tong: Who knows, tomorow might be record snowfall.
Hahaha! Grande! Grazie per il tuo research/lavoro
And yes, it can only be him. I love his entusiasm
My pleasure. He is one-of-a-kind :)
Agree completely with your post kris, but doesn't Kakà have 2 in CL and not 1? The penalty against Celtic and that sweet strike against Shakhtar in Ukraine, no?
I promised myself I wouldn't give in to the Pato hype when he first arrived.
I took the figures from acmilan.com.
As for Pato, he have a great advantage, he is a unknown number, just like Kaka was when he made his debut. Opponents back then didn't know how to stop him, they couldn't formulate a plan to stop him because they didn't know him. Pato may have the same luxury now and if he is as quick as I heard then he may scare the hell out of our opponents.
ACMILAN1983
08-01-2008, 03:08
Agree completely with your post kris, but doesn't Kakà have 2 in CL and not 1? The penalty against Celtic and that sweet strike against Shakhtar in Ukraine, no?
I promised myself I wouldn't give in to the Pato hype when he first arrived. I didn't feel like we should have placed so much expectations on an 18-year old kid, and I felt that any contribution from him this season should have been viewed as a luxury. But now, I have to admit, I've jumped on the Pato bandwagon and am counting down the days until Sunday.
Its not just the 30 goals, next Ronaldo, better than Ronaldinho, future Golden Ball winner talk. Its how his contribution, and even presence will help the performances of the squad and those around him. We have to admit that Ricky, for all his CL and Club World Cup magic, has not been living up to his standards in Serie A for the past two seasons. Granted, even the best players have cold streaks, but I think for him its different. Although, as Piccinini dubbed him on the fateful night of May 2 he is l'extra-terrestre he can not be expected to dribble around everyone, causing defenders to crash into each other and score in every match. With only one striker, especially a box striker such as Pippo and/or Gila, it is not difficult for Serie A- caliber defenders to close down the single striker and place a man mark on Smoking Bianco (Pellegatti this time), and effectively nullify our attacking threat, and this has been done to devastating effect, as we have observed this season. When Sheva was here, Ricky was given more space and tore up the defense, which is the reason I can't wait Pato's debut, hopefully in a 4-3-1-2 system partnering Gila, who, coincidentally (or maybe not) also played his best season with us alongside Sheva.
Good post, only thing I'd say is Kaka doesn't usually have one man marking him in Serie A, but around 2 to 3 looking to stop him by any means necessary. :w209:
Arildonardo
08-01-2008, 03:25
Haha... Apparently new Valencia-signing Ever Banega has had a private film spread on the internet. It's a film where he is chatting and touchig himself in pretty private areas... :hammer:
At least according to this swedish newspaper (yep, it's in swedish) which refers to spanish newspaper Marca:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/fotboll/spanien/article1584794.ab
Blacktop
08-01-2008, 03:36
As for Pato, he have a great advantage, he is a unknown number, just like Kaka was when he made his debut.
I don't know about that. Did Kaka get even a shred of the insane pre-debut publicity that Pato's gotten?
Haha... Apparently new Valencia-signing Ever Banega has had a private film spread on the internet. It's a film where he is chatting and touchig himself in pretty private areas... :hammer:
It must be false, because only Tribalfeces has picked up on it as well. Sorry, I won't do them the honor of posting the link.
Graeme C
08-01-2008, 04:19
What do you guys think of Criscito?
i remember some rumors when pato first arrived that carlo was going to put him at RB :D wouldn't that be crazy :)
Here is some intersting news from skysports:
Artur Boruc has revealed that he will be allowed to leave Celtic if any club bids £10million for him.
The Polish star signed a new long-term contract last week as the likes of Milan and Arsenal showed a strong interest.
The goalkeeper penned a three-year extension at Celtic Park, but he has now revealed that he could still leave if a big offer comes in.
£10million
''If somebody will pay about £10million, I can depart. Both parties are satisfied," Boruc told Gazeta Wyborcza.
''Besides, I had proposals from other clubs in the newspapers only. I did not have concrete offers.
''I did not want to burn bridges with Celtic. If I have to part sometime, then it will be on normal principles.
''I am satisfied and signed this contract in order that the champions of Scotland profits from it also.''
I don't know about that. Did Kaka get even a shred of the insane pre-debut publicity that Pato's gotten?
Irrelevant. Publicity doesn't turn a player into a known number, having seen him play and more importantly, having played against him does. I don't think a single player in serie A have played against him and the ones that have seen him on TV can be counted on one hand. They don't know how he play and they don't know how he moves (or how fast).
Hopefully not too fast for our slow team. haha. Seriously he looks to have everything a striker needs, bar the experience. If we look after the squad correctly we could be set for years with him, Kaka, Paloschi, Di Gennaro & Gila, but the rest of the team needs serious changes.
I've never seen anyone in here claiming that Pato is a failure, where or who did you get that from?!? Some people, myself included, just think that it's unfair to the boy to compare him to Ronaldinho or whoever before he has done anything at the highest level. It just adds more unnecessary pressure on him. I'm sure he will be a great acquisition for Milan, but let's give him the time he (probably) needs. Although nothing would be better than if he became an instant hit...
Forza Pato! :5schal:
Just a whole load of people saying what if Pato cant live up to the hype... Im with you mate... hes too young and lets not put pressure on him.. and yes he will be a Milan Great!
Forza Pato!
Forza Milan! :3band: :rone:
Apparently Ronaldo knows too. It's just past the local McDonalds. :sigh:
and he busted with some paparazzi there that he munch a big mac with unbelieveable super speed :tong:
Agree completely with your post kris, but doesn't Kakà have 2 in CL and not 1? The penalty against Celtic and that sweet strike against Shakhtar in Ukraine, no?
Kaka got 2 in UCL.one from penalty (Celtic-Milan: 2-1) and one on Inzaghi's back-pass (Shakthar-Milan: 0-3).
What do you guys think of Criscito?
Domenico Criscito?
if i'm not mistaken he is a CB, right?he had a lack time playing in Juve so he loaned to Genoa.but i think 1st he came from Genoa then co-ownership with Juve then Juve bought the rest from Genoa then Juve loaned him again in January 2008 to Genoa.what a journey ;) but having him to back up Nesta won't be a crime though.even we also have Bonera (man really improving) :)
Warro Bantan
08-01-2008, 12:26
Warro, how much time do we get to give him? Year? Two? Six? Just want to check so I don't go hungry waiting to eat my words! Only till June or thereabouts...if he doesnt hit double figures by now and the end of the season in goals, then he obviously :rollani: isnt Milan material then rite? :firedev:
He's still 18 yo, he still has a lot of years with Milan to improve ;)
hishamilan
08-01-2008, 12:40
guys! i just ended seeing acmilan:emiretes match and although it was only friendly i came out with some conclusions:
1) emerson's wife cooks very well because his fat belly prevented him from catching up with a 17-years old emirates winger
2) simic dines at emerson's place because he can't keep the pace with 32-years old midfeilder in the emirates team
3) bonera is one great player he's got great tactical awarenss impresses as RB and CB
4) gilardino scored two easy goales and spared 4 only when another attacker played along side him
5) palloschi is a very good talent with some more strenghth and experience he will be great
6) gourcuff can fill in for seedorf well enough!!!
hishamilan
08-01-2008, 13:08
this is my 100th post in this thread ... ancelotti told the official site he believes the team after the january transfers ... will be the same.... i am sad.....but happy.......VIVA MILANO
Despite this fact i was pessimistic about buying any player in January so... start praying Ronaldo to be well but this is not a management for a club just like Milan... :mad: :mad:
Giovanni
08-01-2008, 13:58
@ Vadim and Capo Ultra:
a) this is maurizio compagnoni :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrJTw0Q5NJs
and the man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSH4xH92KR8
b) this is sandro piccinini
Milan Liverpool : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bty6jP9P9Vc
Milan Ajax 3-2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CKXLeU3UK4
and the man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86ueSfA3K7c
well nobody will come to milan in january. i am optimistic with gourcuff, gila @ their last game. although kaka is now 'injured' so we don't know yet if he will play.
then the line up should be with gourcuff. let the kid play ancelotti :)
---pato------gila
-----gourcuff-----
Bosniaco
08-01-2008, 22:41
Did you guys read what Galliani said?
Adriano Galliani non si preoccupa troppo della situazione di classifica: "Ci troviamo nelle stesse circostanze dello scorso anno - dice - abbiamo tutto il tempo per recuperare il distacco in campionato e siamo molto fiduciosi. Sento continuamente associare il nome di Pato alla nostra possibile risalita in campionato. Quello che dico è che Pato è certamente un grandissimo giocatore, ma il Milan ha vinto anche senza di lui. Dunque non carichiamolo di responsabilità. Adesso finalmente alla ripresa avremo a disposizione sei attaccanti e non so rispondere a chi mi chiede se il Milan con questi attaccanti giocherà ad una punta o a due punte. Per come vedo io il calcio, il Milan ha sempre giocato e giocherà con tre punte. infatti per la posizione che ricoprono in campo, Seedorf e Kakà li considero due attaccanti. Ho riscontri molto positivi al termine di questa settimana a Dubai. Contiamo assolutamente di recuperare Ronaldo in vista del campionato."
We have 6 strikers, and we have always played with 3 strikers? Galliani is very funny...
When will people (in general, not directed at you, Bosniaco) stop paying attention to and taking seriously what Galliani says? The guy could be a stand-up comedian, just laugh it off, take the opposite, and you'll more often than not get the correct meaning. After all, someone who says things and means them like that could not have been part of the most successful management in football history.
@ Giovanni: Grazie mille, I get my Italian commentators confused but thanks for clearing that up.
Rete! Rete! Rete! Il Milan in vantaggio! Ancora Lui! L'extra-terrestre!
One of my favorite Italian announcers, along with Pellegatti and Crudelli. You should hear him when Pippo scores! I'm not sure if he's Milanista, but I love his enthusiasm anyway..
Yeah, I too like Pellegatti, especially those hysterical moments he uttered after Seedorf's goal when we beat Inter 3-2 years ago
I know it's only goal.com but this sounds great. Now if only somebody of our management would be kind enough to read it...
http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=540467
Benzema To Milan: Come And Get Me French striking sensation Karim Benzema has issued a ‘come and get me’ plea to Milan after admitting that the Rossoneri are his “dream club”.
Benzema To Milan: Come And Get Me
zoom - galleria
The 20-year-old Lyon star is regarded as one of the most explosive young talents in Europe, and the future of the French national team.
Benzema has been linked with virtually all of European football’s giants, however he has revealed the club and player who he most admires.
"For me, the Rossoneri are my dream club,” the hitman told the Gazzetta dello Sport. “Ronaldo has always been my idol.
"I like Milan, though I must admit I do support Real Madrid. I also like the big squads such as Juve, Inter and Manchester United. The important thing is to win.”
However Benzema brushed off talk of an imminent move to San Siro.
"I will only leave Lyon once I feel in the right frame of mind and ready for the move,” he stated.
Benzema was also asked who he thought were the top five youngsters in world football.
“Messi is first, then Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney, Nasri and Aguero of Atletico Madrid,” the Frenchman answered.
Benzema has already won eight caps for France, scoring three goals, and could be a key player at this summer’s European Championships in Austria and Switzerland.
I am sure they read Gazzetta dello sport ;)
Benzema :
"I like Milan, though I must admit I do support Real Madrid. I also like the big squads such as Juve, Inter and Manchester United. The important thing is to win.”
This doesn't sound like "Come and get me Milan".
This sounds like "Come and get me any big European club that is willing to pay me 5 times more than what i'm earning in Lyon"
:)
This doesn't sound like "Come and get me Milan".
This sounds like "Come and get me any big European club that is willing to pay me 5 times more than what i'm earning in Lyon"
:)
exactly. I always smile when I hear those interwiews from young players: " I like Real and Barca, and especially I was a fan of Inter, Milan and Juve..."
Or when some player signt an ilegal pre-contract :) then his wish becomes : " My dream is to play with Del Piero..." from a young DUCH player. Or Gila in Parma: It would be great to play with Sheva or Del Piero...
come on... say it: I want money and models!! :sun:
Giovanni
09-01-2008, 08:34
This doesn't sound like "Come and get me Milan".
This sounds like "Come and get me any big European club that is willing to pay me 5 times more than what i'm earning in Lyon"
:)
a good bit of realism in the land of dreams and fantasy: winter and summer market
:5ok:
"For me, the Rossoneri are my dream club,” the hitman told the Gazzetta dello Sport. “Ronaldo has always been my idol.
"I like Milan, though I must admit I do support Real Madrid. I also like the big squads such as Juve, Inter and Manchester United. The important thing is to win.”
he does love Milan but he also flirts with others ;) Benzema and Berbatov are really amazing players but they or any striker for that matter aren't going to make any difference unless new players are, (or a new system is), introduced. take the example from Inter-Milan game, Pippo was making lots of runs, getting in the right places, and even avoiding the linesmans flag :D, yet we never looked like scoring from open play. All the time it was a mixture of poor passes through the middle that were easily intercepted, and nothing coming from wide areas at all, and thats Pippo who even from scraps can dine on goals! For me its really not the strikers that are the priority, just look at the few and fewer occassions where the midfield is cohessive/given a free reign by the opposition, Pippo , Ronnie or even Gila :D bang them in. Give them the service and they can score goals :gonova:
but again.. getting Berbatov or Benzema wouldn't be a crime though :tong:
So if Ronaldo is his idol and we get rid of him, does that mean Benzema won't want to come here? :D
Hopefully Galliani/Braida will be alerted by Vargas' recent comments about moving on in the summer. He'd be a good addition to our squad ... and a cheap one too :gonova:
well, he can't say "Milan is the only team for me"...
What if he ends up in Real, the statement will haunt him...
Better play it safe and be diplomatic
Mr. Anonymous
09-01-2008, 11:08
Here is some intersting news from skysports:
Artur Boruc has revealed that he will be allowed to leave Celtic if any club bids £10million for him.
The Polish star signed a new long-term contract last week as the likes of Milan and Arsenal showed a strong interest.
The goalkeeper penned a three-year extension at Celtic Park, but he has now revealed that he could still leave if a big offer comes in.
£10million
''If somebody will pay about £10million, I can depart. Both parties are satisfied," Boruc told Gazeta Wyborcza.
''Besides, I had proposals from other clubs in the newspapers only. I did not have concrete offers.
''I did not want to burn bridges with Celtic. If I have to part sometime, then it will be on normal principles.
''I am satisfied and signed this contract in order that the champions of Scotland profits from it also.''
I had a feeling that Celtic was renewing his contract to squeeze a couple more bucks out of potential suitors. I'm sure he wouldn't mind leaving and maybe even wants to leave. but players always have a certain loyalty the club that they are playing for and in most cases want to make sure that their club gets compensated adequately (and then some) for there departure.
Offer 7.5 Million & go as high as 8.5 that should be enough. I really hope we can ge this guy.
I'm telling you people Milan Fans will love him. :beer: He has a lot of personality.
Kaka Doesn’t Want Ronaldinho At Milan - Report Kaka has told Milan that he is vehemently against the signing of Ronaldinho from Barcelona, according to reports in Spain.
Ronaldinho is currently going through some troubled times at Barca, as he struggles to find the form that once made him the best player in the world.
AC Milan President Silvio Berlusconi has long been an admirer of the 27-year-old and has admitted that he would jump at the chance to sign him if he became available.
However Milan’s own superstar Kaka is not so keen and has told his club that he doesn’t want his compatriot at San Siro.
Kaka believes that the two players cannot co-exist in the same team, as their style of play is too similar.
He is also worried that Ronaldinho’s personality and lifestyle may create problems in the dressing room.
Large sections of the Italian press are of the belief that Milan will launch a firm effort in the summer to sign the former Paris Saint Germain man, however these plans may now be scrapped after Kaka revealed his opposition against the move.
Roberto Rossi, goal.com
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Now this is too much even if it's from AS or some other crappy newspaper. How the @#% can the spanish newspapers know how Kaka feels about Dinho to Milan and how can they know what did he tell Berlusconi ?
Oh and you have to see this :
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23612
:grinser:
I think Drogba is needed more than Benezma, but a forward line of Pato, Drogba, Gila, Inzaghi & Benezma would be great for next season. Unlikely, but great.
Looks like we're signing nobody this winter market... this thread already has 11,000 post, and there's nothing concrete on any rumours...
Basically what fans want and what crap the media can come up with...
I wonder if the management is really keeping their cards closed and we are infact NOT buying anyone!!!
Also have a thought.. Real always seems to sell us either injury prone players or over the hill stars... make millions too!
Redondo, Ronaldo, Emerson.. anyone else we bought from Real that i forgot about?
Warro Bantan
09-01-2008, 12:54
Tony(29) it seems like it must be a slow news day for goal.com writers! What drivel!
For further detail, see the article by Gotta at the other end of this link:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=496487&root=europe&cc=5739
[B]
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Now this is too much even if it's from AS or some other crappy newspaper. How the @#% can the spanish newspapers know how Kaka feels about Dinho to Milan and how can they know what did he tell Berlusconi ?
this is nothing, do you remember an article with Kaka-Berlusconi transcript :grinser: it went something like this: Kaka: President, I love this club and respect it but I want to move on blah blah...
I couldn't believe ANYONE is so stupid to believe that crap :eekani:
Oh and you have to see this :
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23612
:grinser:
Priceless!! :grinser:
Mr. Anonymous
09-01-2008, 14:41
It's amazing that the league leaders see fit to add strength and depth to their squad, while we sit on our hands.
http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=540793
ACMILAN1983
09-01-2008, 16:24
he does love Milan but he also flirts with others ;) Benzema and Berbatov are really amazing players but they or any striker for that matter aren't going to make any difference unless new players are, (or a new system is), introduced. take the example from Inter-Milan game, Pippo was making lots of runs, getting in the right places, and even avoiding the linesmans flag :D, yet we never looked like scoring from open play. All the time it was a mixture of poor passes through the middle that were easily intercepted, and nothing coming from wide areas at all, and thats Pippo who even from scraps can dine on goals! For me its really not the strikers that are the priority, just look at the few and fewer occassions where the midfield is cohessive/given a free reign by the opposition, Pippo , Ronnie or even Gila :D bang them in. Give them the service and they can score goals :gonova:
but again.. getting Berbatov or Benzema wouldn't be a crime though :tong:
I disagree and agree lol. I agree in that simply sticking Benzema or Berbatov in the striker slot in our side isn't going to help, but these players could be interesting if purchased. Both can play off of a front man (Berbatov moreso) and so will add supply to the front man, and that would considerably improve our attacking options as our striker wouldn't get isolated, which has often been the case this season.
This would be similar to what happened last season when Ronaldo was brought in. However, when all's said, with Pato and Ronaldo now coming in for the second season, Benzema or Berbatov may not really be needed right now.
Instead, I still think this transfer window (if there are still doubts on Ronaldo) we should aim to get a big target man up front, another option we're lacking right now.
Warro Bantan
09-01-2008, 16:29
Isnt Benzema a target man? Thought thats how Lyon plays him anyway...???
It's amazing that the league leaders see fit to add strength and depth to their squad, while we sit on our hands.
http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=540793
A sports team never gets perfect so any adding is good, our board puts their money into thier a... :rotfl:
LutherBlissett
09-01-2008, 17:25
Are we going to sign anyone?
kastriot
09-01-2008, 18:39
Are we going to sign anyone?
Last I talked to berlusconi...he mentioned Ronaldinho, but Barca is not selling :ilol: :ilol:
LutherBlissett
09-01-2008, 23:55
Last I talked to berlusconi...he mentioned Ronaldinho, but Barca is not selling :ilol: :ilol:
That would be appropriate if I was asking for a joke. I'd like an honest answer please. And we both know that you don't frequently make conversation with Berlu, so please keep your jokes to yourself. :d55:
Last I talked to berlusconi...he mentioned Ronaldinho, but Barca is not selling :ilol: :ilol:
I thought it was really funny!!! :clap:
Are we going to sign anyone?
Doesn't look like it buddy...
ACMILAN1983
10-01-2008, 03:00
Isnt Benzema a target man? Thought thats how Lyon plays him anyway...???
He can play as a target man (though at this point I don't think he has the physical presence of Toni and Amauri), but he can also play deeper (and even on the wings). I do believe he said that he prefers playing up front though.
slicknick
10-01-2008, 04:15
That would be appropriate if I was asking for a joke. I'd like an honest answer please. And we both know that you don't frequently make conversation with Berlu, so please keep your jokes to yourself. :d55:
Take it easy bro, as you said, it was only a joke... ;)
That would be appropriate if I was asking for a joke. I'd like an honest answer please. And we both know that you don't frequently make conversation with Berlu, so please keep your jokes to yourself. :d55:
Well that kind of response did you think such a question would get? How many of us do you think has a direct line to Braida et al and have all the inside info on who we're definately going to sign? :rolleyes:
Kastriot's jokes are more than welcome, as are anyone else's. You need to chill out more.
if there are still doubts on Ronaldo
How can there be anything but doubts on him?
He can play as a target man (though at this point I don't think he has the physical presence of Toni and Amauri), but he can also play deeper (and even on the wings). I do believe he said that he prefers playing up front though.
I think it was Houllier who played him all over the place and Benzema reacted angrily to that, inisisting that his best position was as a striker not a winger. So it wouldn't be such a good move to mess about with where he plays.
well i think benzema will come in june
Benzema leaving Lyon?? How can he be so selfish?? :moan: Lyon made him a star and he is thinking of leaving GREAT club at the middle of a successful season for Lyon
Isnt Benzema a target man? Thought thats how Lyon plays him anyway...???
If u have Gila as your target man, u don't need any one else. U just need some one like Benjani or David Villa to play along side him & trophies would come automatically :dcool:
If u have Gila as your target man, u don't need any one else. U just need some one like Benjani or David Villa to play along side him & trophies would come automatically
Top 7 Breaking news stories:
1) Gila is far better than Benzema :o
2) Ronaldo has anorexia :eekani:
3) Tera Patrick is a virgin :sexe:
4) Tom Cruise is straight :ban:
5) Drucurl :drunk: didn't drink a drop of alcohol for the whole holiday season :D
6) Warro never touched de 'erbs :whie:
7) Inter > Milan :5ok:
Milan eye Argie ace
Thursday 10 January, 2008
Italian Press reports suggest that Milan view Argentine defender Jonathan Maidana as a possible recruit for the post-Paolo Maldini era.
The Rossoneri are preparing to lose one of their greatest servants this summer when the 39-year-old Maldini hangs up his boots.
A number of names are in the frame to reinforce the world champions’ defence when Maldini bids farewell and Maidana is the latest to be proposed.
The Corriere dello Sport states that the Diavolo are tracking the 22-year-old defender who is making a name for himself at Boca Juniors.
Maidana has represented Argentina at Under-20 level and has made 31 appearances for Boca since arriving from minnows Atletico Los Andes in 2005.
There have previously been rumours that Juventus are watching Maidana, but they are likely to be distracted by other priorities.
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There was once a rumour about him joining Juve and some Latin American Juve fans were praying for Juve not to buy the kid :D
They described him as a disaster waiting to happen. Looks like he's also been pathetic against Milan at copa intercontinentale.
I've never seen him though and i don't remember him from Boca-Milan.
Benzema leaving Lyon?? How can he be so selfish?? :moan: Lyon made him a star and he is thinking of leaving GREAT club at the middle of a successful season for Lyon
what, he isn't good looking enough for milan? :D
what, he isn't good looking enough for milan? :D
Actually he IS good looking enough for us........apparently he isn't as romantic as we hoped :D Personally I think he'd improve his chances of signing for us dramatically were he to present Galliani and Ronaldo with a box of Hershey's Kisses :zany:
I disagree and agree lol. I agree in that simply sticking Benzema or Berbatov in the striker slot in our side isn't going to help, but these players could be interesting if purchased. Both can play off of a front man (Berbatov moreso) and so will add supply to the front man, and that would considerably improve our attacking options as our striker wouldn't get isolated, which has often been the case this season.
This would be similar to what happened last season when Ronaldo was brought in. However, when all's said, with Pato and Ronaldo now coming in for the second season, Benzema or Berbatov may not really be needed right now.
Instead, I still think this transfer window (if there are still doubts on Ronaldo) we should aim to get a big target man up front, another option we're lacking right now.
basicly i agree with u.i understand why the sound of Berbatov and Benzema looks very interesting.lets see.. we have:
-Gilardino:this guy was scoring 23 goals and finishing as the second-best scorer in Serie A season 2004-05 when he was playing for Parma.and we bought him for £18m transfer.but his performances showing decrease path in Milan.must admit that he doesn't looks very attractive as he was in Parma.but his lame performances happened since Sheva left Milan.he was good when Sheva was around, but now he has to create chances for himself and it isn't happening.that time he scored 17 goals in Serie A (2005-06).it's good even he was going goalless in UCL (but hey.. he just moved from Parma :tong: ).since Ronaldo still couldn't find his best performance again.. lets we put the hope on Pato.together with Gila i hope Pato could replace the missing spot left by Sheva.even i know that if Gila was good enough... he would have done the job anyway :D but anything to make this guy scores :D
-Ronaldo: lolz.. dunno what happened with this former Ballon d'Or winner.he is CLASS :5ok: but lost motivation perhaps?or his injuries ?
-Pippo: he saved Milan in many crucial moments.but to be honest he is among the worse in regards to technical abilities. even though i admire him :)
-Pato: man has to show what he has 1st :cool: but he was Jedi when playing for Internacional.
and nowadays we also called Kaka as a forward: what can i say our life and death mostly down on his knee :tong:
that's why Berbatov and Benzema looks very tempting.for God sake we "only" have Kaka to score from forward brigatte :depress: uhmmm.. also depends on Pirlo's fantastic freekicks.and well.. yeah sometimes Pippo scores ;)
so... also for me, the former striker of Leverkusen define AWESOME !! :dcool:
BERBATOV will be PERFECT.
ps. i forgot to put Willy Aubameyang and Alberto Paloschi.the last name is caught my eye.. but still young and needs lot of experience.we need someone who ready to play in the 1st squad!
One problem I have with the Gila thing is that many people say that his demise came when Sheva left. Ok, that's fine.
But do we want a player that can only do something if he is surrounded by someone else? Granted, all players need to have a fine support, but they also need to be able to make something on their own. This is where Gila fails me. He doesn't take the initiative, and looks rather pathetic when things aren't going his way. Also, I remember a quote from him early last season when people were questioning him and he said something along the lines of (this is not a direct quote, just off my memory) "I'm not really a fired up kind of person, I remain calm and not attacking, i just go about my normal game, etc..." I think this is a bit unacceptable, to be content with mediocrity, or at least not have the courage to step up your effort.
One problem I have with the Gila thing is that many people say that his demise came when Sheva left. Ok, that's fine.
But do we want a player that can only do something if he is surrounded by someone else? Granted, all players need to have a fine support, but they also need to be able to make something on their own. This is where Gila fails me. He doesn't take the initiative, and looks rather pathetic when things aren't going his way. Also, I remember a quote from him early last season when people were questioning him and he said something along the lines of (this is not a direct quote, just off my memory) "I'm not really a fired up kind of person, I remain calm and not attacking, i just go about my normal game, etc..." I think this is a bit unacceptable, to be content with mediocrity, or at least not have the courage to step up your effort.
Well I for one have always been hated for my criticism of the next MVB of Milan :bri:
But the truth is that I never liked the guy since the first day he got here. I was alarmed to see that Sheva AND Kaka hesitating to pass to him :eekani: Today things have still remained the same ....You can actually see Kaka looking for other options before passing to Gila. In sheva's time everyone passed to him without hesitation as long as he made the run he got the ball. Now Gila groupies praise him for the "good movements" he makes but wonder why no one feeds him. Actually the only one in our squad that I have seen not do this is Ronaldo....and if he gets to play with him long enough (or just gets to play :D ) I'm sure he might hesitate as well. That said the Gila Ronaldo partnership looks to have some sort of potential
I say we move quickly for a hungry determined striker like Benzema.....and having the Duck say that he wants to score two goals in one game is far more comforting than Gila's promise of 35 goals in his next hundred games :yuck: :wth:
We need Benzema....he threatened Fred and Co at Lyon to displace them and at the grand old age of 20 he has done just that :1five:
Milan eye Argie ace
Thursday 10 January, 2008
Italian Press reports suggest that Milan view Argentine defender Jonathan Maidana as a possible recruit for the post-Paolo Maldini era.
The Rossoneri are preparing to lose one of their greatest servants this summer when the 39-year-old Maldini hangs up his boots.
A number of names are in the frame to reinforce the world champions’ defence when Maldini bids farewell and Maidana is the latest to be proposed.
The Corriere dello Sport states that the Diavolo are tracking the 22-year-old defender who is making a name for himself at Boca Juniors.
Maidana has represented Argentina at Under-20 level and has made 31 appearances for Boca since arriving from minnows Atletico Los Andes in 2005.
There have previously been rumours that Juventus are watching Maidana, but they are likely to be distracted by other priorities.
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There was once a rumour about him joining Juve and some Latin American Juve fans were praying for Juve not to buy the kid :D
They described him as a disaster waiting to happen. Looks like he's also been pathetic against Milan at copa intercontinentale.
I've never seen him though and i don't remember him from Boca-Milan.
I seriously think this particular news piece is media fabrication...
Anyone here has already made a comparison about chances for striker(s) upfront that our fullbacks and midfielders (plus chances from other positions) have made before 2006/07 and starting 2006/07? I think, that year was a starting point of some significant changes in our play regarding of creating chances for the players upfront.
Since season 2006/07, we didnt have decent fullbacks who could serve our strikers well. Jankulovski who played as left fullback was not a suitable replacement for Serginho. He was obviously better in attacking role than defensive one but still his offensive skill was not enough to provide enough good-crosses. To play in right fullback Cafu was already too old and we dont need to talk about Oddo's offensive ability.
From 2006/07 untill now we play with 1 striker and after Gourcuf's injury in that year we play also untill now with 2 DM (Ambrosini and Gattuso). Kaka is more as finishing attacking midfielder than as playmaker (of course Kaka made also some assists for the striker(s)).
The only position left that could create chances upfront in term of function is Seedorf's positions. But Seedorf in his nowadays position is more as a partner for Kaka than as an attacking midfielder who creates chances upfront.
We actually still have Pirlo who can make long pass or direct pass to the players upfront but he cant do that so frequently as his task is more to start an attacking. The same case with our DM (that our DM are not good enough with respect to their offensive skills, which is a normal case).
Before 2006/07 we had many sources of assists. Serginho was very good with regard to his offensive skills by delivering delicous crosses and so was cafu. Our main engine was in Seedorf and Pirlo's positions. Their colaboration with Kaka made our play so lively.
So, I just want to find out a comparison of chances that our striker(s) had before 2006/07 and since 2006/07.
Maybe Tony29, who is normally very good at statistics, can provide the data. :)
I was alarmed to see that Sheva AND Kaka hesitating to pass to him :eekani: Today things have still remained the same ....You can actually see Kaka looking for other options before passing to Gila.
I also watched the same Kaka. I dont know why Kaka did it. With respect to Sheva, Sheva was actually hesitating to give chance to Inzaghi. I think, its more about Sheva's type as a striker who want to make as many goal as possible.
You can actually compare what Ronaldo (as you said), Pirlo and Gourcuff did to Gila. They did what they should did. If Gourcuff could play more and consistently, we would probably watch more Gourcuff's assists to Gila. I still remember Gourcuff made some assists for Gila.
Anyone of you also watched that Kaka was also hesitating to play with Gourcuff? Or maybe it's just my feeling. :D
what, he isn't good looking enough for milan? :D
2 b honest they guys is fantastic, but his hair style suck. I mean whats the point of shaving ur head bald when u have good thick (crowded) hair?? :rolleyes:
Plus I believe he should remain with Lyon for whole of his career :5ok:
Anyone here has already made a comparison about chances for striker(s) upfront that our fullbacks and midfielders (plus chances from other positions) have made before 2006/07 and starting 2006/07? I think, that year was a starting point of some significant changes in our play regarding of creating chances for the players upfront.
Since season 2006/07, we didnt have decent fullbacks who could serve our strikers well. Jankulovski who played as left fullback was not a suitable replacement for Serginho. He was obviously better in attacking role than defensive one but still his offensive skill was not enough to provide enough good-crosses. To play in right fullback Cafu was already too old and we dont need to talk about Oddo's offensive ability.
From 2006/07 untill now we play with 1 striker and after Gourcuf's injury in that year we play also untill now with 2 DM (Ambrosini and Gattuso). Kaka is more as finishing attacking midfielder than as playmaker (of course Kaka made also some assists for the striker(s)).
The only position left that could create chances upfront in term of function is Seedorf's positions. But Seedorf in his nowadays position is more as a partner for Kaka than as an attacking midfielder who creates chances upfront.
We actually still have Pirlo who can make long pass or direct pass to the players upfront but he cant do that so frequently as his task is more to start an attacking. The same case with our DM (that our DM are not good enough with respect to their offensive skills, which is a normal case).
Before 2006/07 we had many sources of assists. Serginho was very good with regard to his offensive skills by delivering delicous crosses and so was cafu. Our main engine was in Seedorf and Pirlo's positions. Their colaboration with Kaka made our play so lively.
So, I just want to find out a comparison of chances that our striker(s) had before 2006/07 and since 2006/07.
Maybe Tony29, who is normally very good at statistics, can provide the data. :)
:) OR you could have simply said b4 2006-2007 ACM played with 2 upfront so more goals from strikers and now with only 1 upront so less # of goals from striker, which is natural. Its as simple as that :bri:
Plus Janku and Oddo not good attacking fullbacks??? U got to kidding me
:) OR you could have simply said b4 2006-2007 ACM played with 2 upfront so more goals from strikers and now with only 1 upront so less # of goals from striker, which is natural. Its as simple as that :bri:
I would simply say : Before 2006/07 we used more offensive players (fullbacks, left midfield) and more offensive formation (two-striker formation).
I would simply say : Before 2006/07 we used more offensive players (fullbacks, left midfield) and more offensive formation (two-striker formation).
I missed that times men....
In which place you play as a football player?...
hitmannq8
10-01-2008, 15:19
2 b honest they guys is fantastic, but his hair style suck. I mean whats the point of shaving ur head bald when u have good thick (crowded) hair?? :rolleyes:
is this guy serious?
I missed that times men....
In which place you play as a football player?...
Did you ask me?
I am not a football player, mate. :D
Maybe Tony29, who is normally very good at statistics, can provide the data. :)
Not exactly the right data but you can take my word that before Sheva's departure Milan were the team with most shots on goal and most successful crosses.
As for this 2007/08 the results are really defeating.
Milan as a team has only 69 successful crosses in 14 matches (average 4.93). To compare this with some other teams : Juve have 114 successful crosses in 17 matches (6.7), Roma have 111 succesful crosses in 17 matches (6.53)
Milan's midfielders have 36 successful crosses (Pirlo 14, Seedorf 6, Ambrosini 5, Kaka 4, Gourcuff 3, Brocchi 3, Gattuso 1, Emerson 0)
I won't compare this with another team's midfield but i'll compare it with Lazio's midfielder Cristian Ledesma who alone has 36 successful crosses, exactly the same number as entire Milan's midfield. And Ledesma playd on 14 matches, exactly as many as Milan played so far.
Hamsik has 31 successful crosses, Foggia has 30 etc.
Milan's fullbacks have 33 successful crosses (Oddo 10, Serginho 6, Jankulovski 6, Cafu 6, Maldini 3, Favalli 2).
Just for comparisson, Catania's left back Vargas has 24 successful crosses alone.
Milan's attackers have 0 successful crosses. Alessandro Del Piero has 17 successful crosses.
This results with few created chances for the strikers. I don't have the data about the total shots but i have the data about shots on target.
Milan's attackers have ONLY 17 shots on target (Gilardino 11, Inzaghi 5, Ronaldo 2)
Marco Borriello alone has 27 shots on target !!!
Ibra and Trezeguet have 26 shots on target.
But on the other side, Milan's midfielders have the highest average on shots on target per match. Roma's midfielders made 60 shots on target in 17 matches while Milan's midfield is second placed with 53 shots on target on 14 matches.
This clearly says that you don't play from the sides at all and you rely on long range shots.
Well I for one have always been hated for my criticism of the next MVB of Milan :bri:
But the truth is that I never liked the guy since the first day he got here. I was alarmed to see that Sheva AND Kaka hesitating to pass to him :eekani: Today things have still remained the same ....You can actually see Kaka looking for other options before passing to Gila. In sheva's time everyone passed to him without hesitation as long as he made the run he got the ball. Now Gila groupies praise him for the "good movements" he makes but wonder why no one feeds him. Actually the only one in our squad that I have seen not do this is Ronaldo....and if he gets to play with him long enough (or just gets to play :D ) I'm sure he might hesitate as well. That said the Gila Ronaldo partnership looks to have some sort of potential
I say we move quickly for a hungry determined striker like Benzema.....and having the Duck say that he wants to score two goals in one game is far more comforting than Gila's promise of 35 goals in his next hundred games :yuck: :wth:
We need Benzema....he threatened Fred and Co at Lyon to displace them and at the grand old age of 20 he has done just that :1five:
So Kaka and Sheva don't/didn't pass to Gilardino and he is the one at fault? They both have their fair share of games when they're just way too selfish. It's more alarming to see that our strikers hardly ever get shots on goal(that's everybody else as well..not just Gilardino). Even RvN and Trezeguet would have trouble scoring in this team, because we just don't give our strikers many chances on goal.
Also I'm 99% sure that if Gilardino promised two goals in a match, you'd call it arrogance instead being comforting. :rollani:
is this guy serious?
this is the correct version :D
Many datas..
Milan's midfielders have 36 successful crosses. Lazio's midfielder Cristian Ledesma who alone has 36 successful crosses
Many datas..
Thank you, Tony. You are still the best at 'thisÄ skill in this forum. :)
What shocked me is how you compared the whole Milan's midfielders with only one Lazio's player! lol
This clearly says that you don't play from the sides at all and you rely on long range shots.
Yeah, you're right but I won't blame anyone.
This kind of choiche must be already considered by Ancelotti and he probably thought that it's the best type of play that Milan could/can do in last/this season.
I hope two of Milan's youngsters (Pato and Gourcuff) can play well in this 5 months so Milan won't need to change so many players in June.
this is the correct version :D
I don't think so, and I must apologize for editing your post. It is quite a sensitive issue and let's not rest our humors on it ;).
Great stats Tony.
It is however a little self explanatory why these stats are the way they are. For example, I am not surprized at all that our forwards don't have any shots on goal. Gilardino and Inzaghi never turn and shoot the ball. As a matter of fact, It's yet to be proven if they can reach the goal with a shot from outside of the box. I really can't remember the last time one of them collected the ball 18-20 meters from goal, turned and took a shot. The moment we get a forward that will do that, then we will be more dangerous and will get a lot more shots on target. We will be more dangerous because we will have a shooter 20 meter from goal and not 35 where our midfielders are who seem to be the only ones that try to shoot in our team.
Great stats Tony.
It is however a little self explanatory why these stats are the way they are. For example, I am not surprized at all that our forwards don't have any shots on goal. Gilardino and Inzaghi never turn and shoot the ball. As a matter of fact, It's yet to be proven if they can reach the goal with a shot from outside of the box. I really can't remember the last time one of them collected the ball 18-20 meters from goal, turned and took a shot. The moment we get a forward that will do that, then we will be more dangerous and will get a lot more shots on target. We will be more dangerous because we will have a shooter 20 meter from goal and not 35 where our midfielders are who seem to be the only ones that try to shoot in our team.
Yup, so true :5ok:
Milan really need that second striker that is able to take the ball at his feet and pass it, make a cross and most important - to take shots from everywhere.
I mean, Kaka alone has 18 shots on target, that's exactly as much as all your strikers have (in previous post i wrote they have 17 shots, but i calculated it wrong)
Inter's attacker's are a very good example. They have two "fox in the box" strikers, Cruz and Crespo and two other guys who are a real pain in the a$$ for the defenders and take a lot of shots after they create the space alone, without depending on the midfielders or the fullbacks to make a good cross.
Ibrahimovic has 26 shots on target
Cruz 14
Suazo 11
Crespo 6
That's 57 shots on target but only 20 come from the target men, Cruz and Crespo. If Milan have guys like Ibra and Suazo everything will be different for sure.
Hopefully for you, Pato will be such a player.
That last statement sums up our season, doesn't it, Tony?
BTW do you keep track of all those stats yourself?
ACMILAN1983
11-01-2008, 04:15
How can there be anything but doubts on him?
I think it was Houllier who played him all over the place and Benzema
reacted angrily to that, inisisting that his best position was as a
striker not a winger. So it wouldn't be such a good move to mess about
with where he plays.
Agree, Ronaldo's always a doubt and with Pippo's recent problems, I think
another forward is needed.
about Benzema, I only meant to point out his versatility. In our side
right now I'd think he'd be a second forward, a role I can't see him not
wanting.
basicly i agree with u.i understand why the sound of Berbatov
and Benzema looks very interesting.lets see.. we have:
-Gilardino:this guy was scoring 23 goals and finishing as the second-best
scorer in Serie A season 2004-05 when he was playing for Parma.and we
bought him for £18m transfer.but his performances showing decrease path in
Milan.must admit that he doesn't looks very attractive as he was in
Parma.but his lame performances happened since Sheva left Milan.he was
good when Sheva was around, but now he has to create chances for himself
and it isn't happening.that time he scored 17 goals in Serie A (2005-
06).it's good even he was going goalless in UCL (but hey.. he just moved
from Parma :tong: ).since Ronaldo still couldn't find his best performance
again.. lets we put the hope on Pato.together with Gila i hope Pato could
replace the missing spot left by Sheva.even i know that if Gila was good
enough... he would have done the job anyway but anything to make this
guy scores :D
-Ronaldo: lolz.. dunno what happened with this former Ballon d'Or
winner.he is CLASS but lost motivation perhaps?or his injuries ?
-Pippo: he saved Milan in many crucial moments.but to be honest he is
among the worse in regards to technical abilities. even though i admire
him :)
-Pato: man has to show what he has 1st but he was Jedi when
playing for Internacional.
and nowadays we also called Kaka as a forward: what can i say our life and
death mostly down on his knee
that's why Berbatov and Benzema looks very tempting.for God sake we "only"
have Kaka to score from forward brigatte :depress: uhmmm.. also depends
on Pirlo's fantastic freekicks.and well.. yeah sometimes Pippo scores ;)
so... also for me, the former striker of Leverkusen define AWESOME !!
:dcool:
BERBATOV will be PERFECT.
ps. i forgot to put Willy Aubameyang and Alberto Paloschi.the last name is
caught my eye.. but still young and needs lot of experience.we need
someone who ready to play in the 1st squad!
Gila's problems at Milan are things that can be explained imo. As you point out at Parma he was brilliant and with Sheva he did well. Clearly he's a player that is a leading front man, but needs a foil to play off of him. Sheva did this at Milan and at Parma this was Morfeo's role. Ronaldo also did this but the impact was less noticeable as Gila wasn't playing as consistently after Ronaldo joined last season. Kaka has also done the role at times, and you'll find that when Gila's playing well, there is a lot of link up play between him and Kaka. However, all too often Gila (and Pippo) is isolated up front. Other factors that contribute to Gila's problems include confidence (or lack of it) and the fact that unlike when he was at Parma, in Milan he's not the star man.
Ronaldo's problems started way back when he was at Inter and got a bad injury that required years of work to get him back on the pitch. He's also one that will train, but doesn't always keep disciplined and work as hard as he can. At Real, after finally recovering from injury he completely lost his discipline and started gaining weight. For a player that in his career always used his explosive acceleration to his strength, this was massively detrimental to his game.
No disagreements with Pippo ;)
There's quite a lot of responsibility on Pato, but at this point if Ronaldo can start playing regularly (like last season), then Pato's burden is lessened a great deal.
Kaka is a strange case too, as he's not a natural fantatista (playmaker), but also isn't really a forward either, he's like a mixture of the qualities required in the two roles.
Berbatov would probably fit well into the side, and he can score fairly regularly, but more importantly he'll offer a foil that Gila needs.
Willy Aubameyang seems a good player (he did excellent at youth level), but I don't see him ever being a long term prospect at Milan. Paloschi on the other hand has a bright future ahead of him it seems. However, he's still extremely young and so it's too early to really talk about him in the first team.
Graeme C
11-01-2008, 04:46
I like Benzema, but i think Amauri should be the first choice striker transfer. On terms of experience, how fast he would settle in Milan, i still prefer him over Drogba. We could sign both, but Amauri would at least give us some Seria A goals.
_MaJi_tz
11-01-2008, 05:01
I like Benzema, but i think Amauri should be the first choice striker transfer. On terms of experience, how fast he would settle in Milan, i still prefer him over Drogba. We could sign both, but Amauri would at least give us some Seria A goals.
Benzema is younger, he play CL already, he is 20 y.old plays for France, first striker in Lyon....still Amauri is better?
rosoneri_11
11-01-2008, 05:10
I like Benzema, but i think Amauri should be the first choice striker transfer. On terms of experience, how fast he would settle in Milan, i still prefer him over Drogba. We could sign both, but Amauri would at least give us some Seria A goals.
I will say also that Benzema who is a great talent is only 20 and we don't know in what level he will reach.We know how is Drogba and Amauri but not Benzema.
Because he is very young and he has showed us great things i would choose him over Drogba and Amauri.
If i had to shoose 2 of them i will choose Benzema and Drobga who is a world class striker and is playing great at the most difficult league of the world.And who can sign for 0€!
Graeme C
11-01-2008, 06:18
Benzema is younger, he play CL already, he is 20 y.old plays for France, first striker in Lyon....still Amauri is better?
i wouldnt say better, just has alot more experience.
slicknick
11-01-2008, 06:40
i wouldnt say better, just has alot more experience.
While Benzema has more experience on the European competititons :1old:
'AC Milan meldt zich bij Boca voor Maidana'
AC Milan bereidt een bod voor op de Argentijn Jonatan Maidana (foto rechts). De verdediger (22) van Boca Juniors maakte indruk tijdens het vorige WK voor clubteams. Ook Juventus en Internazionale zouden de 22-jarige graag in willen lijven.
Volgens Corriero dello Sport is de Champions League winnaar een concreet bod aan het voorbereiden. Maidana (22) geldt als een talent in Argentinië. De verdediger speelde zich extra in de kijker tijdens het vorige WK voor clubteams, die door Milan werd gewonnen.
Naast Maidana, die dit seizoen al tot zeventien duels kwam in de Argentijnse competitie, wordt ook Matias Silvestre van Boca Juniors genoemd in verband met een vertrek naar Italië. Lazio Roma zou de 23-jarige verdediger willen overnemen, aldus de Italiaanse krant.
source: www.voetbalprimeur.nl
in english:
ACM is willing to make a bid on a defender from boca juniors: Jonatan Maidana , he had made a good impression on WC for clubs.
but la juve and inter also have interest in him
at the end they say lazio roma want Matias Silvestre of Boca Juniors
i only know the matias guy, he his a great talent although nothing proven. the guy milan is interested in, ive nothing heard about his talent
I mean, Kaka alone has 18 shots on target, that's exactly as much as all your strikers have (in previous post i wrote they have 17 shots, but i calculated it wrong)
That we used just oneforward ni pretty much all games is the thing though. Kaka even play or less as a forward. He shouldn't really be counted as midfielder here.
galliani said we play with 3 striker(seedorf,kaka,gila/pipo) u know so kaka is a striker , if we must believe galliani's words....
well IMo we play with 1 stiker and I hope we will now play with 2 again like the old days
Latest gossip from Goal.com says 10.5 mil eur per season will be payed by Adidas to AC Milan, 14 mil eur from Nike to Inter and 30 mil eur from Nike to Barcelona!?!
My question is Who is the european and world club champion?
P.S.: I hate italian tax system :angf:
From 'What the paper say' in channel4 :
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Corriere dello Sport
Juve and Inter chase Mancini - Roma respond by lining up Mutu or Di Natale plus Baptista
Milan's £60m! It's raining money from the sponsors
Siena chase Rigano and Udinese gamble on Pagliuca
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Can anyone tell more about that bold sentence? Or where can I read online the full story?
I don't think so, and I must apologize for editing your post. It is quite a sensitive issue and let's not rest our humors on it ;).
no problem, if you think you should remove those remarks, it's your right to do so :)
but I don't think it was an insult, as Jerry Seinfeld would say... "not that there's anything wrong with it" :D
Tony29, your stats strengthen my idea that Hamsik & Vargas are players we need to buy :D
no problem, if you think you should remove those remarks, it's your right to do so :)
but I don't think it was an insult, as Jerry Seinfeld would say... "not that there's anything wrong with it" :D
I know it's not meant as an insult whatsover, but it's a sensitive issue that we should learn to avoid, at least here.
From 'What the paper say' in channel4 :
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Corriere dello Sport
Juve and Inter chase Mancini - Roma respond by lining up Mutu or Di Natale plus Baptista
Milan's £60m! It's raining money from the sponsors
Siena chase Rigano and Udinese gamble on Pagliuca
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Can anyone tell more about that bold sentence? Or where can I read online the full story?
This is the Adidas sponsorship deal, €84m (£60m) for a deal lasting up to 2016. It's very poor compared to Inter's deal and even worse compared to Spanish or English deals.
What this news is doing in the already stupidly big winter mercato thread beats me though.
There's quite a lot of responsibility on Pato, but at this point if Ronaldo can start playing regularly (like last season), then Pato's burden is lessened a great deal.
uhm.. yeah.. about that did u read the statement made by Berlu?something sound like this:"PATO WILL SCORE 30 GOALS FROM NOW UNTIL THE END OF SEASON" :grinser:
hell.. it's more than just burden.give this man a room,plz! i would be happy if he just playing well in his debut against Napoli.but scoring in his debut will be FANTASTIC!
Our sponson money is not high as Inters and Barcas, Real's and so on... I dont know why but to me it looks like Galliani's work is leaking in all sectors of managing the club...
Paolo Maldini: "We need to be more like Juve and Inter, investing in young players. We have 9 players from our sistem playing in serie a but NONE of them are at world class level."
Juve: Criscito, Marchionni, Nocerino, Palladino, Paro, Giovinco, Chiellini, left back I can remember his name, and so on...there are few more.
Maldini is not saying: buy young players from around the world. but he says that we need to keep the italian spirit of the team which has winning mentality, which he also talked about few weeks ago. Galliani is failing to control italian market and is paying extreme prices for foreign players. Aldough we had non italian players that were extremly sucsesfull, our soul ( the defence, the italian sistem ), was always italian! AC MILAN is an Italian club, not international. And as long as we play like italians do, well be sucessfull...
We now have a defender in bologna who is good, and Di Gennaro, noone else. A warning from Maldini is something that needs to be taken serious. To control the best italian players you need to work hard every day on the mercato, and Galliani is simply failing. period.
Barzagli, Zambrotta, Aquilani, Montolivo, Dessena, Cigarini, PAzzini... those are thr players we need to go for if we are to keep our mentality. Cigarini, Zambrotta,Barzagli and Pazzini for Emerson, Cafu, Maldini and Ronaldo - for the next summer? why not solve our problems that way?
Mr. Anonymous
11-01-2008, 12:31
Our sponson money is not high as Inters and Barcas, Real's and so on... I dont know why but to me it looks like Galliani's work is leaking in all sectors of managing the club...
Paolo Maldini: "We need to be more like Juve and Inter, investing in young players. We have 9 players from our sistem playing in serie a but NONE of them are at world class level."
Juve: Criscito, Marchionni, Nocerino, Palladino, Paro, Giovinco, Chiellini, left back I can remember his name, and so on...there are few more.
Maldini is not saying: buy young players from around the world. but he says that we need to keep the italian spirit of the team which has winning mentality, which he also talked about few weeks ago. Galliani is failing to control italian market and is paying extreme prices for foreign players. Aldough we had non italian players that were extremly sucsesfull, our soul ( the defence, the italian sistem ), was always italian! AC MILAN is an Italian club, not international. And as long as we play like italians do, well be sucessfull...
We now have a defender in bologna who is good, and Di Gennaro, noone else. A warning from Maldini is something that needs to be taken serious. To control the best italian players you need to work hard every day on the mercato, and Galliani is simply failing. period.
Barzagli, Zambrotta, Aquilani, Montolivo, Dessena, Cigarini, PAzzini... those are thr players we need to go for if we are to keep our mentality. Cigarini, Zambrotta,Barzagli and Pazzini for Emerson, Cafu, Maldini and Ronaldo - for the next summer? why not solve our problems that way?
I agree.
I also think that you will see a heavier investment in World Class Italian youth once Maldini hangs up his boots and becomes a part of management. No doubt he will be able to influence the type of players we invest in and select to bring in/up through our ranks.
Having said that we may not see the results of this work for a several years after it is intiated.
Giovanni
11-01-2008, 12:45
P.S.: I hate italian tax system :angf:
You..? Imagine me, mate.... :1ang: :1ang: :1ang: :1ang:
Kaka1899
11-01-2008, 13:43
From 'What the paper say' in channel4 :
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Corriere dello Sport
Juve and Inter chase Mancini - Roma respond by lining up Mutu or Di Natale plus Baptista
Milan's £60m! It's raining money from the sponsors
Siena chase Rigano and Udinese gamble on Pagliuca
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Can anyone tell more about that bold sentence? Or where can I read online the full story?
Theres a full article in the new Milan shirts thread under Discussions :5ok:
ACMILAN1983
11-01-2008, 14:09
Paolo Maldini: "We need to be more like Juve and Inter, investing in young players. We have 9 players from our sistem playing in serie a but NONE of them are at world class level."
Can you please provide a source for that? I've read as much as I can about Maldini's most recent interviews and I don't remember him saying anything like that, nor do I believe for a second he'd make such a comment.
Can you please provide a source for that? I've read as much as I can about Maldini's most recent interviews and I don't remember him saying anything like that, nor do I believe for a second he'd make such a comment.
it was tuttomercato, but I dont know is that statemant still on. Why wouldnt he said it, its 100% true. None or our young players are world class.
Theres a full article in the new Milan shirts thread under Discussions :5ok:
In what page?
Kaka1899
11-01-2008, 15:06
page 27 post number 399. id give you the link but im on my psp so no copy and pasting
That last statement sums up our season, doesn't it, Tony?
BTW do you keep track of all those stats yourself?
Lol, i'm certainly not crazy enough to watch all the matches and count every intercepted pass or successful cross :)
There are many sites where you can find stats about serie A. For some categories i used this http://sports.alice.it/it/calcio/serie_a/0708/statistiche/classifiche/giocatori/assist.html
for some i used Yahoo serie A stats in the calcio fantasy game
That we used just oneforward ni pretty much all games is the thing though. Kaka even play or less as a forward. He shouldn't really be counted as midfielder here.
That's true Kris.
However, in the context of the discussion i believe that at least 13/14 of Kaka's 18 shots on target were from outside the box or from penalty kicks and weren't a result of a successful cross.
You're right that we can count him as the second forward, though.
As for Siregar's point about the strikers not getting in many goal positions due to the inefficiency of the fullbacks and wingers (although you don't even play with wingers), Kaka's stats change nothing.
page 27 post number 399. id give you the link but im on my psp so no copy and pasting
Aha, I've got it. Thank you, mate!
Juve: Criscito, Marchionni, Nocerino, Palladino, Paro, Giovinco, Chiellini, left back I can remember his name, and so on...there are few more.
Mrki please note that all these youngsters (apart from Giovinco and De Ceglie, the left back whose name you didn't know :), and who were born in Turin or came through Juve's young categories ) were bought in Moggi's time and if Calciopoli never happened probably not more than one or two of them would have ever played for Juve. They were all part of Moggi's shady bussiness where he was loaning them to other clubs and getting 6 points in return :)
Plus, Marchionni is 27 and is far from being a youngster.
I know Juve do give chances to the youngsters but they are doing that because they were forced to do that. If you remember pre-calciopoli time, Juve rarely gave chances to the youngsters (Del Piero, Maresca, Miccolli...that's about it)
Kaka1899
11-01-2008, 16:16
Aha, I've got it. Thank you, mate!
No Worries :5ok:
ACMILAN1983
11-01-2008, 16:59
it was tuttomercato, but I dont know is that statemant still on. Why wouldnt he said it, its 100% true. None or our young players are world class.
Honestly, do you think someone with his class would come out and say something that's so negative to our youngsters? Even if he said something along those lines, I'm sure he didn't say that and his words were minced.
Any opinion why we've got less contract from Adidas per season than Inter have got from Nike (if this is true)? I read here that Inter have got 14 mil euros per season and Milan 10,5 euros.
Honestly, do you think someone with his class would come out and say something that's so negative to our youngsters? Even if he said something along those lines, I'm sure he didn't say that and his words were minced.
Why are you sure? becouse you know me and you are sure Im about to do that. Whatever man, Paolo said it.
hitmannq8
11-01-2008, 22:05
No mrki, Paolo didnt say that.
Paolo said that our youth is not good compared to the other teams and we are paying the price for it now, but he didnt say anything about not having 9 world class players.
Paolo's exact words(give or take a bad translation or two):
"A job in the youth sector? It could be a fascinating adventure, even though I believe that for this type of job you need professional figures of great experience in this sector. I surely could give an input to all the lads who would get in contact with football, teaching them that it is not the objective the main goal of a lad who comes close to football. The experience in the youth sector could have hold great charm at Milan, because in fact it's been a long time that this club does not produce talents of a certain level born at home, and today more than ever, with the new international norms, this resource becomes indispensable.
http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=59294
In the italian transcript that I read on tuttomercato he mentioned, clearly, 9 players or ur sector playing abroad, with number 9 included, not like in this statemant... Im not lying, I have no reason people. There are two options, ac milan is managing to make damage smaller, or tuttomercato is making it bigger.
either way, those 9 players arent world class :)
paolo said that its has been a LONG TIME sice there was a youth players promoted to the first team.
and this is a lack of confidence and also a lack of expierence with youth players.
maldini want to do somthing about that so he want to be a youth coach.
hopefully we get in future some new paolo's etc...
ACMILAN1983
12-01-2008, 09:09
In the italian transcript that I read on tuttomercato he mentioned, clearly, 9 players or ur sector playing abroad, with number 9 included, not like in this statemant... Im not lying, I have no reason people. There are two options, ac milan is managing to make damage smaller, or tuttomercato is making it bigger.
either way, those 9 players arent world class :)
Funny that, as on the official site it doesn't mention that in the slightest (and I would rather take what the official site says than Tuttomercato). Here is what the Official site has:
Sul mio futuro dopo il calcio posso solo dire quello che non vorrò fare, ovvero l'allenatore, e non ci saranno possibilità di smentita in questo senso.
Un impiego nel settore giovanile? Potrebbe essere un'avventura affascinante anche se credo che per questa tipologia di impiego servano figure professionali di grandissima esperienza avviata nel settore. Io certamente potrei dare un input a tutti i ragazzi che si avvicinano al calcio, insegnando loro che non è l'obiettivo il fine principale di un ragazzo che si avvicina al calcio. L'esperienza nel settore giovanile avrebbe grande fascino al Milan perchè di fatto è da troppo tempo che questa società non sforna talenti di livello nati in casa, e oggi più che mai, con le nuove normative internazionali, questa risorsa diventa indispensabile.
La mia partita d'addio? Sì, l'ho già pensata. Si giocherà a Mosca...
Here he says that he believes the experience of older players could be beneficial for youngsters and it's been a long time since we produced a talent of a certain level in Milan (which is true, we haven't produced talents that can play regularly at Milan yet). He does not mention Inter or Juve, nor does he speak about the players who are currently out on loan.
I found a name, Andrea Dossena, in this news (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jan12o.html).
What kind of a midfielder is he actually in Parma?
Giovanni
12-01-2008, 18:14
I think you mean Dessena...
hitmannq8
12-01-2008, 18:43
I think this winter market is the worst market we have ever witnessed - no rumours no action no suspense nothing! All we have on our minds is Pato. Braida and co owe us a nice surprise signing from a long time now, this is the right time to pull it off, no one is expecting it.
I think you mean Dessena...
Maybe. I just wrote the name like in that channel4 news.
Maybe. I just wrote the name like in that channel4 news.
That says how reliable the article is because Andrea Dossena plays for Udinese and plays as a fullback.
Daniele Dessena plays for Parma.
That says how reliable the article is
That could be right Tony29. They could also mistype the name, position or the club's name or they did it because of any other reason(s).
Actually I don't care that much about the reliability of the content in that news, I only wanted to know who this player is because I haven't heard his name before.
If they mention Dessena from Parma, in which position in midfield does he play? How about Andrea Dossena? Is he pure fullback (which position) or does he also play in central defence?
And the last, what do you think about those players, Tony29? How do you rate them? :D
Bosniaco
12-01-2008, 21:29
Daniele Dessena plays for Parma, Andrea Dossena plays for Udinese.I think channel4 made a mistake.
Sorry, didnt see Tony's post. My bad...
Dessena is a midfielder.
As for the Maldini discussion & nine players. It was Gayliani who said we have 9 players at other Serie A clubs, but if he thinks any are WC, then we in for a whole world of hurt over the summer again.
i rather see parma's dessena then the other guy
Hasan Rossonero
13-01-2008, 16:57
I don't know if this has been posted, but Berlu has said that he is sure that Zambrotta will be a Milan player:
Calcio, Berlusconi: "Milan vicino a Zambrotta"
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MILANO - Il Milan e' vicino all'ingaggio di Gianluca Zambrotta. Non e' una voce di mercato qualsiasi, dato che a darne l'annuncio e' stato il presidente rossonero Silvio Berlusconi in persona, al microfono di Sky, prima di Milan-Napoli: "Zambrotta avrebbe piacere di venire al Milan e credo che non avremo difficolta' a trovare un accordo con il Barcellona" sono state le parole del 'presidentissimo'. Berlusconi, che ha anche promesso ai tifosi milanisti il massimo impegno per ripetere un ventennio vincente come l'ultimo, si e' soffermato sul tridente brasiliano del Milan: "Pato, Ronaldo e Kaka' insieme dovrebbero farci sognare" ha detto raggiante. In particolare per quanto riguarda il giovane Pato, Berlusconi si e' detto sicuro che sia "un altro Kaka', umile e rispettoso. Se fara' vedere a San Siro il 50 per cento di quello che fa in allenamento sara' uno spettacolo" ha concluso. (Agr)
--gazzetta.it
hitmannq8
13-01-2008, 17:13
Hasan, it doesn't say when right?
Giovanni
13-01-2008, 17:50
Luca Cattani, biggest market expert in Italy, said that Zambrotta has been substantially (not yet formally) signed before the winter break and will join the club in June.
Reliable source. This guy has a lot of contacts with agents and people close to the club.
He gave Frey as first choice for the keeper spot, and Helton (Porto) as second.
I'm not used to quote myself, but in Italy we had this news about Zambrotta coming in June since the days before Christmas.
:devs:
Ronaldinho will go to Chelsea (source Ernesto Bronzetti ). Berlu said that signing Dinho would have ruined some relationships and balances inside the dressing room. With Pato inside we don't need him anymore.
Capo Ultra
13-01-2008, 18:01
Luca Cattani, biggest market expert in Italy, said that Zambrotta has been substantially (not yet formally) signed before the winter break and will join the club in June.
Reliable source. This guy has a lot of contacts with agents and people close to the club.
He gave Frey as first choice for the keeper spot, and Helton (Porto) as second.
I'm not used to quote myself, but in Italy we had this news about Zambrotta coming in June since the days before Christmas.
:devs:
Ronaldinho will go to Chelsea (source Ernesto Bronzetti ). Berlu said that signing Dinho would have ruined some relationships and balances inside the dressing room. With Pato inside we don't need him anymore.
Exactly. The 23rd of November 2007 Zambrotta's agent and advisers (consiglieri) attended a meeting at Via Turati, where they agreed on all the personal terms and conditions. So now we need to negotiate with Barcelona for a reasonable price.
Here is the news about Ronaldinho and Chelsea:
Nel corso di un collegamento in diretta con il presidente rossonero Silvio Berlusconi, l'agente Fifa Ernesto Bronzetti si è lasciato sfuggire che, secondo sue fonti attendibilissime, Ronaldinho avrebbe trovato un accordo per trasferirsi al Chelsea già dalla prossima stagione. Il presidente rossonero ha commentato dicendo: "Non ne sono affatto dispiaciuto, tante volte sono più importanti gli equilibri all'interno dello spogliatoio rispetto all'arrivo di un campione in più". Che i consigli di Kakà abbiano lasciato il segno?
With Pato inside we don't need him anymore.
But we probably need Benzema! :D
ZvonimirVukic
13-01-2008, 18:35
check corriere dello sport about berlusconi`s interview
he said zambrota is coming right?
Giovanni
13-01-2008, 18:42
But we probably need Benzema! :D
I don't know...Seedorf is not happy to play midfield again..every top player inside unbalance the team spirit... I would add Benzema just in case Ronaldo is a total failure with us over the next 6 months.
Capo Ultra
13-01-2008, 18:42
check corriere dello sport about berlusconi`s interview
he said zambrota is coming right?
Yes, Zambrotta is coming this summer.
BERLUSCONI ANNUNCIA ZAMBROTTA - Non solo la stupenda vittoria sul Napoli, prima della partita è arrivata un'altra importante notizia per il Milan. L'ha data il presidente Berlusconi in diretta tv: « Zambrotta arriverà al Milan». Una dichiarazione d'intenti chiara dettata dal fatto che «il giocatore vuole venire a Milano, ama questa maglia e dunque non ci saranno problemi a trovare un accordo con il Barcellona ». Berlusconi ne è sicuro, il laterale azzurro sarà il primo rinforzo da regalare ad Ancelotti: «E' un difensore di grande esperienza che ci tornerà utile», ha detto ai microfoni di Sky.
http://www.corrieredellosport.it/Notizie/Calcio/14129/Milan+show%3A+Pato%2C+debutto+e+gol+Berlusconi+annuncia+Zambrotta
Berlu's comments about transfer market : (http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=59744)
"Ronaldo and Pato have come to us, this is our transfer campaign and perhaps there will be a new experienced defender. Surely considering the age of our defensive department some reinforcements will be made. But we are also looking for a young defender. Ronaldinho? He's a player who could be useful to any team, but in this Milan side he's surely not indispensable."
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Berlu mentioned about a new experienced defender. Did he mean Zambrotta?
I don't know...Seedorf is not happy to play midfield again..every top player inside unbalance the team spirit... I would add Benzema just in case Ronaldo is a total failure with us over the next 6 months.
Sorry but if Seedorf wants to play consistently, he'll have to accept that midfield role because the team looks much better with the 4-3-1-2 setup. Add Zambrotta, a striker if Ronaldo can't stay fit, and a midfielder and we're good to go.
Giovanni
13-01-2008, 19:41
Sorry but if Seedorf wants to play consistently, he'll have to accept that midfield role because the team looks much better with the 4-3-1-2 setup. Add Zambrotta, a striker if Ronaldo can't stay fit, and a midfielder and we're good to go.
of course..but you should convince him, not me
of course..but you should convince him, not me
Ancelotti can do that. :bri:
I really hope Digao to improve and be good enough to play with Nesta. Kaka should help his little brother more
Graeme C
14-01-2008, 04:01
I was quite impressed with Hamsik yesterday, he was good on the ball, and keeping it under preasure.
Giovanni
14-01-2008, 04:15
I was quite impressed with Hamsik yesterday, he was good on the ball, and keeping it under preasure.
....... :5ok: fantastic player
hany.Egypt
14-01-2008, 04:24
Kaka should help his little brother more
What should he do more to help him, the guy plays for Milan because Kaka wants that not because he is good to do, I am not excpeting any thing from him nither now nor in the futur + we need fullbacks hope its Zambrotta and Alves.
Yes, I don't say that he must be good is he is good enough. However, Kaka can tell his brother how to train, what to do to stop striker, or let Digao try to stop Kaka, ect... I don't know if he have told Digao these things or not. But simply I don't see Digao improve since back to Milan. And I really hope Digao can play in the same starting 11 with his brother. Being over shadowed is not a good thing you know.
By the way, one more CD is not too many. We only have Kaladze and Nesta for that possion. Maldini will certainly retire. And I think Bonera should be a RB. I wish until the summer, Digao can at least be good enough to be a regular sub.
Kaka1899
14-01-2008, 04:50
what happned to Simic?
rosoneri_11
14-01-2008, 05:32
we need fullbacks hope its Zambrotta and Alves.
I do really hope!
For this in winter perhaps main focus is on the left back, if Janku is not available we have Favalli which is not so good compared with his performance 2 season ago.Too bad Zambrotta if the news true will come On June instead of January.
I do agree Hamsik has future, we should observe and perhaps buy him this summer. Can someone tell me since im not trully follow serie A this season, is he plays as CM or DM? I think he will be good addition to the squad
julsesay
14-01-2008, 11:28
I was indeed happy with the performance yesterday but to be at milan standard, we need at least four major signing in june. two defenders: zambrotta and Lucio
and one attacker: Eto or Drogba
Goal keeper: Frey or Doni or Abbiati
thomas_h
14-01-2008, 12:53
what about ivanovic ? let`s get him . . . loan simic to lokomotiv
Zambrotta will join us only in june? :(
I do really hope!
I really want to see Dani Alves wear our shirt....
Warro Bantan
14-01-2008, 14:11
Zambrotta will join us only in june? :( Better June than never!! :de3:
Hamsik would be a great addition, especially as Cigarini seems destined for Juve (or at least not us).
I don't hide the fact i dislike Seedorf, but why all the fuss about him? Our formation is 4-3-1-2 and we only changed to 4-3-2-1 because of injuries to strikers. The reason Seedorf doesn't want to go back to being part of the midfield 3 as opposed to a 'fantasista' is because he knows he can't hack it in that position, he doesn't have the mentality or the staminia to play there. He wants to be further up field doing the nice things and not wanting to track back or tackle.
And if i was being absolutely honest, i'd let him go in the summer along with Brocchi & Emerson and replace the 3 of them with Hamsik, Flamini & Lavezzi. Less egos, less wages, more desire.
Giorgos i would like to see Alves in our shirt too, but we won't buy him. He'll end up at Chelsea, Barca or Madrid.
Mr. Anonymous
14-01-2008, 15:00
Hamsik would be a great addition, especially as Cigarini seems destined for Juve (or at least not us).
I don't hide the fact i dislike Seedorf, but why all the fuss about him? Our formation is 4-3-1-2 and we only changed to 4-3-2-1 because of injuries to strikers. The reason Seedorf doesn't want to go back to being part of the midfield 3 as opposed to a 'fantasista' is because he knows he can't hack it in that position, he doesn't have the mentality or the staminia to play there. He wants to be further up field doing the nice things and not wanting to track back or tackle.
And if i was being absolutely honest, i'd let him go in the summer along with Brocchi & Emerson and replace the 3 of them with Hamsik, Flamini & Lavezzi. Less egos, less wages, more desire.
Giorgos i would like to see Alves in our shirt too, but we won't buy him. He'll end up at Chelsea, Barca or Madrid.
Seedorf deserves a bit more that....No?
Seedorf deserves a bit more that....No?
Telling Jim about Seedorf is like telling me about Gila :noevil2:
I haven't really observed him but I keep hearing good things about a fullback named rafinha (bad spelling) Can anyone tell a poor trini milanista more about him thanks :w200:
hitmannq8
14-01-2008, 15:21
Everyone is impressed by Hamsik, but the one that I really liked and have been liking more and more each time he plays is Walter Gargano. Such a good player that can be our new young DM (all four of our DMs are 30+).
You mean the guy who just got a red card yesterday?
Mr. Anonymous
14-01-2008, 15:45
Telling Jim about Seedorf is like telling me about Gila :noevil2:
I haven't really observed him but I keep hearing good things about a fullback named rafinha (bad spelling) Can anyone tell a poor trini milanista more about him thanks :w200:
Hahaha...but the Gila deserves the bad rap he gets. DRU...I'm similar to you... A Ronaldo Fan. He puts up the stats and still people like to hate on him.
Well haters where are you now!!! :d33:
I will agree that he has to take care of himself & stay healthy. But his contribution since he's been here when he has played, has earned him the right to be left alone, and not dragged over the coals due to his weight.
When he's on the pitch wearing the MILAN shirt he hasn't disappointed.
That guy really deserves more respect than what he gets. :mad:
He saves our asses & then still gets dumped on.
I don't think any player has been so good and still has been called in to question like Ronaldo. As long as he's pushing the ball in the back of the net...he must be kept & left alone.
You mean the guy who just got a red card yesterday?
Yes, it's him :)
Ok, he got a silly red yesterday but it takes nothing from his displays so far this season. He's still young (23) and he's a modern DMC who's very good both in defense and attack.
This summer he was offered to Juve and Fiorentina according to his agent, but they rejected him. I'm sure now they're not very happy about it.
It's very rare to see a DMC whose main job is defending the midfield and who's doing that pretty well, to do this in attack :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Ed3iSEl0I
I agree completely about Gargano, the only reason i chose Flamini over him is because the latter is on a free transfer, or at least that's my understanding ... i may be wrong.
Gargano, Hamsik & Lavezzi ... not quite a Dutch trio, but a Neopolitan one at least :D
Mr Anonymous, it's hard for me to be objective about Seedorf when i dislike him. What i will say though is that for someone who commands the wages he gets and for him to say where he'll play and argue with the coach, i would expect a hell of alot more from him in terms of performances. The times i've seen him on tv he's been lazy, slow and poor in his distribution.
My dislike for him aside, just ask yourself this, can we replace him? Pirlo & Kaka we know are integeral to our team, is Seedorf as indispensable? :dontkn:
Giovanni
14-01-2008, 16:17
Carlo would cut his balls instead of dropping Seedorf. And i agree. He was the key for our success in CL.
I don't like him complaining about his role though.
kastriot
14-01-2008, 16:59
Carlo would cut his balls instead of dropping Seedorf. And i agree. He was the key for our success in CL.
I don't like him complaining about his role though.
in addition to what Gio said, also Kaka is really attached to seedorf, and i`m sure that dropping seedorf, will not make kaka happier. I`m sure that they are professionals and will find a way to deal with it,however I would not take risk on our biggest strength and reason for our recent success 'The Harmony" .
Talk about players complaining can really be overtalked many times. It is a thin line between complaining and "voicing a opinion". for sure I would voice my opinion if I thought I was played out of position and I am sure my manager would understand. Seedorf is a unique player, I wish we could get someone like him, but with more energy and legs that lasted whole games. his position is a tiring one and I feel he is not really ready to play it fully for 90 mins.
Giovanni
14-01-2008, 18:10
I think his only concern is that, playing as mid, he will spend the double in terms of energies and shine the half in creativity.
But the team comes first.
Ps. guys, when you rate players you have to consider not only the technical aspects but also the human one: Clarence is a big character, a player that build up team spirit, a great professional...That's why we keep our players for so long: they give us much in terms of balance and team spirit..look at great persons like Cafu, Serginho, Favalli, Costacurta (last year)...
I don't agree with Jim because you can't consider only the technical side..We achieved all that because we are more than a club. And surely dropping players that have made our history too easily would be a big mistake.
Consider this.
Seedorf have it in him to be considered for several more years. he is built like a brickhouse and his dribbles never were about speed. I would just say that he should only be playing about half the game, that way he can keep up his motivation and stamina. The Seedorf we saw yesterday was immense, but I believe he needed a Gattuso to clean behind him. Ambro is great at what he does, but he can't compare to Gattuso in department of stopping counters.
After seeing the team with Pato and Ronaldo on it , how would you suggest that Berlusconi spend the 100 million ( if he will spend it at all )?
this is what i wud propose milan do:
buy:
benzema-25 m
borrielo-5m ( his other half)
foggia-10 m
modric- 13m
zambrotta- 12 m
vargas-10 m
stendardo-free
boruc- 10 m
alex - 30 m
abbiati- back from loan
sell:
gila-15 m
oliveira-10 m
release:
cafu
favalli
simic
maldini
brochi
dida
serginho
team:
Attack- pato(inzaghi, borrielo) --ronaldo(benzema)
kaka(gorky)
mid- seedorf(foggia)--pirlo(modric, emerson)---gattuso(ambro)
defense- zambrotta( janku)--alex(kaladze)--nesta( stendardo, bonera)--vargas(oddo)
gk- boruc( abbiati, firori )
cost= 90 m
Kaka--7thUCL
14-01-2008, 21:25
We don't need benzema.. they ask to much for this kid and hes not even close to pato, so forget it. I'd buy r10 and d.alves to add to our trio of amazing brazilians (r9,kaka,pato) then i'd put some money into Vidic and like martin said Boruc, although i really like Doni..
It's very rare to see a DMC whose main job is defending the midfield and who's doing that pretty well, to do this in attack :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Ed3iSEl0I
3 guards and buffon... interesting... thanks tony
what about ivanovic ? let`s get him . . . loan simic to lokomotiv
Ivanovic is supposed to have signed for Chlesea.
Sorry but if Seedorf wants to play consistently, he'll have to accept that midfield role because the team looks much better with the 4-3-1-2 setup. Add Zambrotta, a striker if Ronaldo can't stay fit, and a midfielder and we're good to go.
There is no way we can play with a three man attack in Europe or against Inter. We were wide open on the counter yesterday. I don't know why Seedorf is complaining, he saw as much of the ball as Kaka' and scored. He had another great game.
I agree completely about Gargano, the only reason i chose Flamini over him is because the latter is on a free transfer, or at least that's my understanding ... i may be wrong.
I also agree on Gargano. Flamini is available on a free and he's French so it's good for Gourcuff, Pierre and Benzema and Frey if they join. Italians + Brazilians + French = perfect team!
We don't need benzema.. they ask to much for this kid and hes not even close to pato, so forget it. I'd buy r10 and d.alves to add to our trio of amazing brazilians (r9,kaka,pato) then i'd put some money into Vidic and like martin said Boruc, although i really like Doni..
Yes we do need Benzema because Ronaldo will struggle to play 20 games a season and obviously he is close to Pato, what have you been watching? He's quick, powerful, brilliant in the air and has fantastic technique. With Benzema and Pato in attack we would be set for a decade.
As for that fat playboy Ronaldinho and his greedy brother they can go away. €40 million for a player that is overweight, trains when he feels like it and goes clubbing at night. We don't need bad influences at our club. And what on Earth makes you think Man United would sell Vidic?
After seeing the team with Pato and Ronaldo on it , how would you suggest that Berlusconi spend the 100 million ( if he will spend it at all )?
this is what i wud propose milan do:
buy:
borrielo-5m ( his other half)
He's a confidence player so no good for a bench role.
foggia-10 m
modric- 13m
Modric will cost more than €13 million. I think he's too expensive and too small. For €12 million we could probably sign Hamsik and he's better than Foggia.
zambrotta- 12 m
vargas-10 m
stendardo-free
boruc- 10 m
Where are you getting these fees from? Zambrotta will cost €6-8 million. Vargas no more than €4 million. Boruc doesn't want to leave. Frey is the #1 choice right now and will be expensive.
alex - 30 m
Are you nuts? He's not worth €30 million and Chelsea won't sell. I think Raggi can play centre back. He would be a good option as cover for Nesta and Bonera which should be the centre back pairing IMO.
There is no way we can play with a three man attack in Europe or against Inter. We were wide open on the counter yesterday. I don't know why Seedorf is complaining, he saw as much of the ball as Kaka' and scored. He had another great game.
Once the guys get used to playing it again, we won't be so open on the counter. I'm certain we could play this formation against the top teams of Europe. Seedorf or whoever's playing LM will just have to understand that they have to work hard to help cover midfield.
Yes we do need Benzema because Ronaldo will struggle to play 20 games a season and obviously he is close to Pato, what have you been watching? He's quick, powerful, brilliant in the air and has fantastic technique. With Benzema and Pato in attack we would be set for a decade.
As for that fat playboy Ronaldinho and his greedy bastard brother they can go f**k themselves. €40 million for a player that is overweight, trains when he feels like it and goes clubbing at night. We don't need bad influences at our club. And what on Earth makes you think Man United would sell Vidic?
yes i agree with u totally there. i hope ronaldinho doesnt come to milan and zambrotta comes to milan. zambrotta is the best. berlusconi just echoed this message and i hope he is right. i think benzema can only come to milan if gila leaves. even borriello is better than gila nowadays. i dont think vidic is right for milan. lucio is the right man for milan.
Rojo y Negro
15-01-2008, 00:03
Hi everyone.
It was great to see Milan win at home. I was really impress with the Kaka, Ronaldo and Pato trident attack. Ronaldo had a fantastic game. I can't wait to see him fully fit.
I can see why there is alot a fuss over pato. This kid has alot of potential.
Regarding the transfer market.
It appears that we are going to sign Zambrotta in the summer season.
Berlusconi appears to have gone cold on R10 and i agree.
I hope we sign a good defender aside from Zambrotta
He's a confidence player so no good for a bench role.
Modric will cost more than €13 million. I think he's too expensive and too small. For €12 million we could probably sign Hamsik and he's better than Foggia.
Where are you getting these fees from? Zambrotta will cost €6-8 million. Vargas no more than €4 million. Boruc doesn't want to leave. Frey is the #1 choice right now and will be expensive.
Are you nuts? He's not worth €30 million and Chelsea won't sell. I think Raggi can play centre back. He would be a good option as cover for Nesta and Bonera which should be the centre back pairing IMO.
Borrielo would get to play in the serie a games, but i agree that he is a confidence player. I deff like foggia despite hamsik's impressive performance. instead of modric, we could go for cigarini/ledesma. ok about zambrotta, but there is no way we are getting vargas for that cheap considering the competition. Boruc will leave for 10 mill, celtic said it themselves. Alex was simply an idea because chelsea will have to sell on of their cbs with ivanovic, alex, terry, carvahlo in the mix. Our managment has been persistent on Alex, and even though the figure may be inflated, it wont cost less than 20m. the only way we will see a bonera-nesta pairing(which i think is decent) is if we blow our money on ronaldinho. we could also consider zapata.
according to transfermarket Berlu said that in June Milan will gets Zambrotta + 2 young deffenders.
http://www.transfermarketweb.com/index.php?action=read&idsel=9371
who are they? except Zambrotta all names linked with us these days lately are striker and GK (Benzema,Berbatov,Amauri,Pazzini,Ronaldinho,Buffon,Doni,Frey,Amelia,Lloris,or the newest is Pele).and suddenly after Pato performance against Napoli Berlu said he also never put Dinho on target. but i couldn't blame him at all :tong: as i said before we don't need Dinho specially with unbelieveable price :gonova:
but i guess we'd been linked also with Lucio from Bayern.he is deffender but ain't young for sure (29).
In this winter, I do not like Ronaldinho, of course. But in the winter, I will choose Ronaldinho over every midfielder and striker. Because as far as I know, he can buy his contract in this summer. And he will cost just like Pato, so he may be even cheaper than Benzema. Who will you choose?
thomas_h
15-01-2008, 04:07
let`s get Lucio, bayern will sell him after they captured Breno .
There's been some talk of Premiership clubs getting Van Buyten on loan for the remainder of the season, so maybe 1 of their CBs will leave for good in the summer after all.
So because Kaka is close to Seedorf we have to keep him no matter what his performances are like? Talk about player power, that's a ridiculous risk to take. I'm sure Kaka was close to Shevchenko, but he got over it.
I do take on board that team harmony, spirit, call it what you will is important and even more so when the more senior members leave this summer. However, it's as much about on the field as off the field and if any player isn't pulling their weight or can't perform then they should adapt accordingly. The team can't afford to carry players who can't run or tackle for large proportions of the match, the way the game is played these days everyone has to defend. Call me old fashioned, but when i see a player throw his hands up in the air everytime he loses the ball and not make any worthwhile effort to get the ball back if he loses it, then i don't think they're worth a starting position until they improve their attitude.
It's a tough stance, but sometimes the players who make our history don't last as long as we hope.
'M afraid we are on the verge of missing out on luca cigarini.this guy is a gem
I think we should wait and see how Giladrino hooks up with Pato before searching out for another striker.
So because Kaka is close to Seedorf we have to keep him no matter what his performances are like?
Don't know where all your "sympathy" for Seedorf came from. He was key to our CL victory last year. He also delivered great performance yesterday.
Maybe you are influenced by EPL too much, where every player has to run and fight throughout the whole game? Seedorf has week sides like every player, however, his quality makes the difference on the scoreboard.
What I love about Italian football is, that individual performance plays lesser role than cohesiveness and individual FIT in the system.
For the same reason I dislike EPL :)
kastriot
15-01-2008, 06:56
Don't know where all your "sympathy" for Seedorf came from. He was key to our CL victory last year. He also delivered great performance yesterday.
Maybe you are influenced by EPL too much, where every player has to run and fight throughout the whole game? Seedorf has week sides like every player, however, his quality makes the difference on the scoreboard.
What I love about Italian football is, that individual performance plays lesser role than cohesiveness and individual FIT in the system.
For the same reason I dislike EPL :)
I agree with forward and also can see Jim`s point about seedorf, He cant run nor tackle, that`s why we were uncovered against Napoli,not because Rinho was absent. Ambro is a great tackler too.
Even at his best seedorf couldnt defend well, however we had much better defense and on form Dida in 2003 and 2005 for instance.
There is a reason why he was given number 10 shirt call me old fashioned but in milan that has a meaning),He is the leader of the team, in absence of Maldini, and he is considered to be extremely intelligent.Now I dont say lets play him regardless of anything.But I also dont think we should sacrifice Seedorf and Ambro for Pato. Rotation system always worked for Carlo and I`m sure hell find the formula this time too.
People, Clarence Seedorf is an apsolute WORLD CLASS player. He will play all the big games for us as a AM and we'll play with one forward: Pato or Ronaldo. thre will be no problems with Seedorf and Milan.
The problms we can expect are inzaghi and gila, unless Ronaldo gets injured again...
This sistem with 2 forwards and Kaka' needs to be used in serie a home matches and even in away against smaller teams as now we can see how teams have problems to defend against real attacking power, not just Gila and overplayed Kaka'.
ACMILAN1983
15-01-2008, 08:38
Jim I must say I disagree with you on Seedorf. I don't think for the past year he's been particularly lazy and in truth has been one of our most in form players. This season, I'd say he's argubly been our most consistent performer (I can only really think of Nesta to challenge that) and he's been vital in a few matches. I think right now he deserves his spot in the side, and when he was moved back against Napoli, he didn't avoid his defensive duties (though I don't think he can now perform the role too regularly).
according to transfermarket Berlu said that in June Milan will gets Zambrotta + 2 young deffenders.
http://www.transfermarketweb.com/index.php?action=read&idsel=9371
who are they? except Zambrotta all names linked with us these days lately are striker and GK (Benzema,Berbatov,Amauri,Pazzini,Ronaldinho,Buffon,Doni,Frey,Amelia,Lloris,or the newest is Pele).and suddenly after Pato performance against Napoli Berlu said he also never put Dinho on target. but i couldn't blame him at all :tong: as i said before we don't need Dinho specially with unbelieveable price :gonova:
but i guess we'd been linked also with Lucio from Bayern.he is deffender but ain't young for sure (29).
According to the official site he said this
Ronaldo and Pato have come to us, this is our transfer campaign and perhaps there will be a new experienced defender. Surely considering the age of our defensive department some reinforcements will be made. But we are also looking for a young defender. Ronaldinho? He's a player who could be useful to any team, but in this Milan side he's surely not indispensable.
That to me suggests we're looking at an experienced defender (Lucio definitely fits the bill) and a younger defender (Zapata maybe?), assuming we're talking about CBs only.
Once the guys get used to playing it again, we won't be so open on the counter. I'm certain we could play this formation against the top teams of Europe. Seedorf or whoever's playing LM will just have to understand that they have to work hard to help cover midfield.
They haven't got the legs to cover.
Boruc will leave for 10 mill, celtic said it themselves.
And having just signed a new contract he doesn't want to leave.
Alex was simply an idea because chelsea will have to sell on of their cbs with ivanovic, alex, terry, carvahlo in the mix.
Terry is completely shot physically. He'll be retired inside two years and Carvalho has also struggled with injury in recent seasons. Chelsea won't sell Alex. Lampard and Drogba yes but not Alex.
Our managment has been persistent on Alex, and even though the figure may be inflated, it wont cost less than 20m. the only way we will see a bonera-nesta pairing(which i think is decent) is if we blow our money on ronaldinho. we could also consider zapata.
If management wanted Alex they would have signed him years ago. It’s too late now. Mertesacker would be my choice.
hany.Egypt
15-01-2008, 10:26
And having just signed a new contract he doesn't want to leave.
and he also confirmed that if Celtic was offered a good transfer fee that satisfy them he wont mind leaving.
Giovanni
15-01-2008, 11:16
according to transfermarket Berlu said that in June Milan will gets Zambrotta + 2 young deffenders.
http://www.transfermarketweb.com/index.php?action=read&idsel=9371
who are they? except Zambrotta all names linked with us these days lately are striker and GK (Benzema,Berbatov,Amauri,Pazzini,Ronaldinho,Buffon,Doni,Frey,Amelia,Lloris,or the newest is Pele).and suddenly after Pato performance against Napoli Berlu said he also never put Dinho on target. but i couldn't blame him at all :tong: as i said before we don't need Dinho specially with unbelieveable price :gonova:
but i guess we'd been linked also with Lucio from Bayern.he is deffender but ain't young for sure (29).
One of them is certainly Darmian from the youth team.
Giovanni
15-01-2008, 11:41
There's been some talk of Premiership clubs getting Van Buyten on loan for the remainder of the season, so maybe 1 of their CBs will leave for good in the summer after all.
So because Kaka is close to Seedorf we have to keep him no matter what his performances are like? Talk about player power, that's a ridiculous risk to take. I'm sure Kaka was close to Shevchenko, but he got over it.
I do take on board that team harmony, spirit, call it what you will is important and even more so when the more senior members leave this summer. However, it's as much about on the field as off the field and if any player isn't pulling their weight or can't perform then they should adapt accordingly. The team can't afford to carry players who can't run or tackle for large proportions of the match, the way the game is played these days everyone has to defend. Call me old fashioned, but when i see a player throw his hands up in the air everytime he loses the ball and not make any worthwhile effort to get the ball back if he loses it, then i don't think they're worth a starting position until they improve their attitude.
It's a tough stance, but sometimes the players who make our history don't last as long as we hope.
English football puts more effort into the game. Your players give 150%. It's good, but not great. I think it's one of the reasons England don't win a major competition since the Sixties.
A team should know when it's time to give it all, and when slow down. It's necessary to preserve important energies.
Seedorf is so brilliant because he knows that running like Gattuso he would lose his focus and brilliancy upfront. I prefer Brocchi to run like a donkey and those who have the big talent to do their job upfront.
Chelsea Football Club can confirm we have agreed terms with Lokomotiv Moscow for the transfer of Branislav Ivanovic. A work permit application has also been successful for the player.
The transfer is now subject to the agreement of personal terms and passing of the medical.
source: http://www.chelseafc.com/xxchelsea1...article_1215934
He is the leader of the team, in absence of Maldini, and he is considered to be extremely intelligent.Now I dont say lets play him regardless of anything.But I also dont think we should sacrifice Seedorf and Ambro for Pato. Rotation system always worked for Carlo and I`m sure hell find the formula this time too.
Yeah. We have 2 shrewest player in the world, him and Pippo, they are lazy but their contributions are great for us. Guys like them are hard to find now.
thomas_h
15-01-2008, 18:58
One of them is certainly Darmian from the youth team -> Is he doing good now ?
What about Di Gennaro ???? Bologna is 1st in SerieB
Chelsea Football Club can confirm we have agreed terms with Lokomotiv Moscow for the transfer of Branislav Ivanovic. A work permit application has also been successful for the player.
The transfer is now subject to the agreement of personal terms and passing of the medical.
source: http://www.chelseafc.com/xxchelsea1...article_1215934
I guess he was never a Milan target then... Doesn't seem like we were ever in the negotiations...
Damn... I wonder who will we sign...
One of them is certainly Darmian from the youth team -> Is he doing good now ?
What about Di Gennaro ???? Bologna is 1st in SerieB
I know Berlu said 'young' defenders... but I think Darmian is a little bit too young!!!
I really think Seedorf was key to our CL run last year, when he was on it was magic. Great vision, link-ups with Kaka. On the downside, I think he's got the 'Oranje' temperment in him, by this I mean on the bad days, he can be a bit sulky, or look like he's lazying around, but I'll trade that for what he's given. Even as much as he may have been maligned, he's not anywhere near Gila in terms of looking like a lazy liability on the pitch. And he's a proven winner, which Giovanni mentioned some posts back, which is an 'x-factor' that is part of the milan psyche.
thomas_h
16-01-2008, 02:17
hey . . . hey . . .
simple stats here :
- Marco Borriello => 15 apps, 10 goals, 2 assists
- Nicola Pozzi => 12 apps, 8 goals
- Ricardo Oiveira => 20 apps, 10 goals
which one does Milan prefer ?
- Leandro Grimi => 13 apps ------> he could take favalli`s place for next season
I prefer Lino Marzoratti than Matteo Darmian for next season
Zambrotta or Sagnol ?
what do you guys think about Luka Modric ( he can play at seedorf`s position, can`t he ? pirlo`s position ? )
Giovanni
16-01-2008, 03:14
Carlo yesterday, in a press conference, confirmed Darmian will join the senior team next season.
I'm surprised by the mentality of alot of you, you seem to think it's ok for a player not to pull his weight so he can do the 'nice' things. What a joke!
I'm sorry to say this, but if i compare the workrate of our team against Inter's, we are nowhere near them. You watch their team and to a man they'll all rush back and defend, get in front of their man to block crosses, get in the opposition's faces. You look at ours and you see our players allowing players to put in crosses, to take short corners without even going after them, not following runners. It's not about having to put in 150% or anything to do with the EPL, it's about common sense and basic defending. If you guys can't see that then maybe you should go back to playing FIFA or something. You can work hard and enjoy creativity, Inter seem to be doing this well at the moment. We used to do it when we would double up and press the opposition. There's a difference in playing 'smartly', knowing when to speed up and when to slow down as opposed to just being slack.
I really must be watching completely different games to you guys if you think Seedorf is one of our best performers. What happened to all the average performances he put in last season that everyone has magically forgotten about because he played well in a handful of CL games. Some of you have short memories. I must also have a higher expectation of players if i actually assume they'll try and win the ball back if they lose it.
blah blah seedorf is bad Seedorf sucks
^ A brief summary of Jim's post :D
(Jim I know you can take a joke that's why I can get away with that one ;) )
The thing is Jim....with creativity there is always a mess to clean up afterwards There are players that are meant to be creative and there are players that are meant to clean up their mess.
You can't expect Gattuso to send three defenders the wrong way then slip a perfectly weighted ball to a striker now can you.....Gattuso's job is to clean up when things go wrong in attack and the opponent is mounting a counter.
Seedorf, Kaka and Pirlo all lose the ball. But of that list Seedorf loses it the least. But at his age of 31 he really can't waste his energy on too much defensive duty otherwise his legs won't give him what's needed to create opportunities upfront.
I guess you probably wish he were more like Stevie Gerard....but I think most will agree that despite his workrate Stevie G can't hold a candle to Seedorf in terms of brilliance, vision and technique offensively- despite his laser cannon shot :o I know you know all of this
You can't expect Gattuso to send three defenders the wrong way then slip a perfectly weighted ball to a striker now can you.....Gattuso's job is to clean up when things go wrong in attack and the opponent is mounting a counter.
Seedorf, Kaka and Pirlo all lose the ball. But of that list Seedorf loses it the least. But at his age of 31 he really can't waste his energy on too much defensive duty otherwise his legs won't give him what's needed to create opportunities upfront.
Dru, if we were to follow your example of our players doing only their priority task for the team, we'd end up with 7 players defending in our half with Pirlo lumping the ball forward and 3 players in the opposition half. Wouldn't work out so well would it.
You can't have players (seedorf or otherwise) dictating when they defend, that's detrimental to the team. For example, if you're next to a player and they go to attack, you follow them and track their run. You can't just let them go and let someone else deal with it. You have to have the numbers in both attack & defence. Call me old fashioned but if your team doesn't have the ball then your first job is to try and help get the ball back, not stand around expecting other people to do it. Now that doesn't mean you have to go racing after the striker, it just means you put pressure on someone, stop a route back to a defender or keeper. Also if you don't have the legs (as you put it) to do this regularly, don't you think you should have someone who can? Let the less leggy person be an impact sub or something?
I'm not really bothered about the ridiculous replies i'm bound to get because i'm daring to attack the all mighty 'World Class' Seedorf, i'm just hoping some people will appreciate the point i'm making.
Giovanni
16-01-2008, 07:37
^ A brief summary of Jim's post :D
(Jim I know you can take a joke that's why I can get away with that one ;) )
The thing is Jim....with creativity there is always a mess to clean up afterwards There are players that are meant to be creative and there are players that are meant to clean up their mess.
You can't expect Gattuso to send three defenders the wrong way then slip a perfectly weighted ball to a striker now can you.....Gattuso's job is to clean up when things go wrong in attack and the opponent is mounting a counter.
Seedorf, Kaka and Pirlo all lose the ball. But of that list Seedorf loses it the least. But at his age of 31 he really can't waste his energy on too much defensive duty otherwise his legs won't give him what's needed to create opportunities upfront.
I guess you probably wish he were more like Stevie Gerard....but I think most will agree that despite his workrate Stevie G can't hold a candle to Seedorf in terms of brilliance, vision and technique offensively- despite his laser cannon shot :o I know you know all of this
Exactly what i meant.
I think we have been more than successful with this formula. We have to stick with this creative approach. We don't have the players to play more muscular games, and i don't think i would like Milan to play like that.
Despite Inter is always used as a standard, they don't win a CL since the times of Pope John XXIII.. I don't get too wet with their team...they have to prove their talent and worth with the biggest clubs in Europe.
Italian football (and here is where my comparison with English approach fits) put much attention into spending the less energies possible to achieve a result.
Clarence has no more the stamina to either defend and create. I prefer other players to carry the duty of running, and the other creative players to have a freer role...
Milan's trademark is this: we have a precise workrate division. 3 players create and 2 players defend. Other teams' midfielders do either the defensive phase and the creative one, with dubious results. We defend a little with our creative players, but we let them have a freer duties. That's how we use their full creative potential.
Are all the creative players supposed to run to be considered great ? I 've never seen Baggio doing the defensive phase one time...this doesn't make him less great.
Ps. Clarence was the key of our success in CL: we changed pace with the Bayern v Milan game, and Seedorf , before that match, passed from a midfield role to a trequartista one. It's not a coincidence.
I think, I mostly agree with Jim_UK. Our midfielders defend not like Inter or even Barca. They didnt go back fast enough for example after loosing the ball. If I compare to Inter's form again Milan, Inter were much much better in defending. I cant imagine, Cruz ran not only to bring the ball when he had the ball but also give pressure to the defenders who had the ball (simple say : he kept running). It's just like Barca's midfielders. They always try to catch the ball or to cover their responsibility area when they lose the ball or when the opponents have got the ball.
About Seedorf, he is good when he plays beside Kaka but I dont think I would enjoy watching Seedorf play in his old position because of what he did last season whe he played there. He was really bad. Player who plays there should run MORE than he did. I am just talking last season,not seasons in which he was on top form (defensively and offensively). So, Seedorf plays well offensively but really bad defensively (too slow and too lazzy to run to catch the ball, to give pressure to the opponents or to cover his area).
I think, if we want to use Seedorf in his old position, we must have a great LB and left DC. With Janku/Maldini as LB and Khaladze as DC are not enough enough to cover Seedorf's weekness, I think.
ACMILAN1983
16-01-2008, 08:09
Jim, I understand your point but I still don't completely agree. If Seedorf is guilty of laziness, then Kaka is also just as guilty, as he makes little effort to win the ball back too. However, personally I don't think this is what the difference is between us and Inter. Rather, I'd say that Inter are better organized when the opposition get the ball. While many of our players are chasing after a break, Inter's players immediately get into position and know which areas to cover, something we haven't done well enough this year.
Listen peoplem, I'll try to explain it in details if you have enough time to listen.
Clarence knows what he is talking about, and Carlo also knows we cant play big matches with Calrence in the middle. Why? Becouse of this...
When we played 4-3-1-2 formation with Sheva in our team, the team looked like this:
----------dida----------
cafu--nesta-billy-maldini--
---------pirlo---------
---gattuso--seedorf----
-----------kaka'/rui-------
---shevchenko--pippo/crespo--
In any case, regarding rui or kaka', the thing is this: Back then we had Dida as a best GK in the world alongside Buffon and Kahn. We had back 4 that couldnt be penetrated by ANy attack, not Inters, not Juves, not Barcas. Our fullbacks were Maldini and Cafu, and they were , when we won scudetto ,playinh like they came from hell!
Seedorf was younger and had enough power to play as a central midfielder, and even when he didnt paly the defence good enough, our back 4 was simply strrong enough to defend on it own with just Rino helping.
With Our fullbacks getting class below world standard and Seedorf getting slower, carlo did a great thing and made him AM and but Ambro as a DM. this way Clarence can still play his magic and doesnt need to waste his energy too much. You all know how running too much can affect passing game of a player...
This tactic, 4-5-1, works great in europe when Seedorf is rested before and pippo is also 100% ready, but in serie a where teams close we just cant play fst football anymore and so cant score. our fullbacks arenot that good and cant pass one on one anymore like Cafu and Maldini could. Also, the opponents defences could have played high defending as Gila and Pippo are slow and cant run away in deep areas, or low zonal defending as our fullbacks are not good enough and KAka is the only played that can pass the back 4 line..
Now, with super fast Pato and Ronaldo that can pass to everyone and shoot from everywhere, defnces cant play that way anymore. Our fullbacks dont have to play as a wingers and pirlo has a space upfront to pass to ( pato's movements ). This is the way we need to play against smaller teams and simply tear them appart! Against stronger, I would just put Ronaldo or PAto upfront and thats it.
If we want to paly 4-3-1-2 against strong teams we mneed 2 new players:
1. zambrotta as a super fullback that never loses a duel in defence.
2. a great central midfieldser that can run as hell...
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regarding mercato I always talk the same thing - we have no real fullbacks. Look at Inter with ZAnetrti, Maicon, Chivu, Maxvell...??? You need srtong players to simply hold their position in every case. that is why , with Zambrotta in our team we would look 20% stronger instantly, and with him and Alves we would be the best team in europe, no doubt about it!
I think you are going a bit to extreme there... i mostly agree with Jim here (with my interpretation). Its not about seedorf being able to run like gattuso, noone expects that of him. But seing him walking half the time he was on pitch last season (final 5 CL games excluded) should earn him a bench. Ok, he provides and he doesnt run that much, no problem. But not runing at all after 60min of game (not even to attack properly) is really not cool for a profesional football player.
Seedorf is a lucky and gifted SOB to save himself out of trouble with mighty performances from time to time so if only carlo would rest him more (or sub him ASAP if he is clearly not interested in a match, which happens) even jim and me would be perfectly happy :D
I'll say no more on this subject, apart from the next time you play football, see how much you appreciate the players just standing around at the other end of the pitch not helping when you're working your ass off to defend your goal.
In mercato realms, nothing of note has been reported it seems.
There's a theory circulating in Italian press (initially started by Tuttosport, though) that Ronaldinho may join Inter and it's all connected to the new lucrative deal Inter signed with Nike.
"Nike's close relationship with Ronaldinho is no secret, of course, and they feel that Inter will become a far more lucrative proposition worldwide with The Gaucho on their books."
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=549032
kastriot
16-01-2008, 12:33
There's a theory circulating in Italian press (initially started by Tuttosport, though) that Ronaldinho may join Inter and it's all connected to the new lucrative deal Inter signed with Nike.
"Nike's close relationship with Ronaldinho is no secret, of course, and they feel that Inter will become a far more lucrative proposition worldwide with The Gaucho on their books."
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=549032
I really hope they sign Ronaldinho, there is no way he can gain his form under Argentine contingent in Inter...so they will make a mega transfer like only they and Chelsea do...and gain absolutely nothing, and half of the team will be unhappy.
I really dont like Dinho in our team, but I cant help not get pissed of how Merda operates on the Market... first it was Ibra, Pato, Sissoko......(and bunch of others)........ now Dinho, dosnt they have a bit self respect.Cant they simple find an objective of their own and go after that. Does it always have to be what Milan and Juve choose.
They have Ibra, Suazo,Cruz, Crespo and Adriano Loaned out...and they dare to thing about another forward.
I really hope they sign Ronaldinho, there is no way he can gain his form under Argentine contingent in Inter...so they will make a mega transfer like only they and Chelsea do...and gain absolutely nothing, and half of the team will be unhappy.
I really dont like Dinho in our team, but I cant help not get pissed of how Merda operates on the Market... first it was Ibra, Pato, Sissoko......(and bunch of others)........ now Dinho, dosnt they have a bit self respect.Cant they simple find an objective of their own and go after that. Does it always have to be what Milan and Juve choose.
They have Ibra, Suazo,Cruz, Crespo and Adriano Loaned out...and they dare to thing about another forward.
I don't like it either Kastriot.
But still, i'd rather not take the risk :) . I'd prefer Inter not to get him than to get him and hope he'll fail and ruin team's atmosphere.
Also, Inter already have 3 Brasilians in the starting line-up (Julio Cesar, Maicon, Maxwell) and they have Cesar, Adriano. It's not like he'll be alone surounded by Argies. There are 7 Argentinians and 5 Brasilians in Inter. With Dinho it will be 7:6 and pretty balanced.
We can't predict how will things work out at the end, but i'd still prefer Inter not to get him.
The back 4 : Maicon-Materazzi-Cordoba/Samuel-Chivu , helped by Zanetti, Vieira, Cambiasso is like a wall. Imagine Dinho-Ibra- Crespo/Cruz/Suazo in front of this wall :v46:
As for Inter stealing transfer targets...... yeah, they do. But i doubt they needed Milan's scouts and Milan's interest in Dinho to realize that he's one of the best players in the world : :D
The lineup Tony wrote is something io really dont want to see in Inter next year...
...................cesar.......
maicon.materazzi.cordoba.chivu...
.......vieira.........cambiasso....
....zanetti..............ronaldinho......
.........ibrahimovic..crespo.....
doesnt look good to me.... :sweeteye: The vorst thig is that they only need ONE player for this sick lineup!
Only if we get Alves, Zambrotta, Frey, Nasri and Benzema I could afford to see dinho in inter :)
The lineup Tony wrote is something io really dont want to see in Inter next year...
...................cesar.......
maicon.materazzi.cordoba.chivu...
.......vieira.........cambiasso....
....zanetti..............ronaldinho......
.........ibrahimovic..crespo.....
doesnt look good to me.... :sweeteye: The vorst thig is that they only need ONE player for this sick lineup!
What's even worse is that their second team ( if what you wrote is the 1st team) will look like this :
..................Toldo......................
......Burdisso-Samuel--Maxwell
..................Dacourt...................
Stankovic-Jimenez-Maniche-Figo
................Suazo-Cruz...................
Even their second team is good enough for a top 4 finish in serie A :eekani:
Oh, and they still have Adriano and Solari
hany.Egypt
16-01-2008, 19:09
Inter is doing really good in the market in the past few years and no other team in Seria A, and probably in the world, can match them in this aspect and the result of that is very obviouse, they are the holder and and future champions, and even after this they still looking for new players to strangthen their team, but signing Ronaldinho may be a set back for them IMO, as in the last 2 year Inter bought what they need only not every big name available in the market like what they used to do, they needed a reliable and consistant strikers so they bought Ibrahemovic and Crespo and a worldclass DM so they signed Veira, and that's why they got this results, but signing Ronaldinho is something different, they simply dont need him, they have (like what Merki and Tony) Sauzo, Cruz, Ibrahemovic, Adriano, Crespo,Jimenez, Figo, Stankovic and Manich and they are all attacking minded player, adding Ronaldinho to them will mean that they will have 9 player to compete for ony three spots in the starting line up, how would Mancini cope with all these player that surely will refuse to be benched ?
But to be honest even though I feel that singnig Ronaldinho is not going to be a clever move by Inter, I am very scared of facing Inter with Ronladinho in their squad, hope its not going to happen and either Milan or Inter sign him.
kastriot
16-01-2008, 19:20
I don't like it either Kastriot.
But still, i'd rather not take the risk :) . I'd prefer Inter not to get him than to get him and hope he'll fail and ruin team's atmosphere.
Also, Inter already have 3 Brasilians in the starting line-up (Julio Cesar, Maicon, Maxwell) and they have Cesar, Adriano. It's not like he'll be alone surounded by Argies. There are 7 Argentinians and 5 Brasilians in Inter. With Dinho it will be 7:6 and pretty balanced.
We can't predict how will things work out at the end, but i'd still prefer Inter not to get him.
The back 4 : Maicon-Materazzi-Cordoba/Samuel-Chivu , helped by Zanetti, Vieira, Cambiasso is like a wall. Imagine Dinho-Ibra- Crespo/Cruz/Suazo in front of this wall :v46:
As for Inter stealing transfer targets...... yeah, they do. But i doubt they needed Milan's scouts and Milan's interest in Dinho to realize that he's one of the best players in the world : :D
I know that THEY dont need our scouts to identify a talent like Dinho, but I hate the fact that they wait for us to pronounce that we are interested in some player....and the day after or the day after we get the player Moratti comes and says we were/are interested in this player.
I hate when i see a headline "INTER JOIN SISSOKO/DINHO/PATO RACE"
I hate when i see a headline "INTER JOIN SISSOKO/DINHO/PATO RACE"
To be honest, it's not only inter that does it. European giants are interested if there is a player on the market and other european giants are interested in him. It may suit them even more than their competition, so it would be a bit ignorrant not to 'join the race' and at least raise the price for other clubs :D
What moratti says afterwards is only good for laughing anyway
Inter is doing really good in the market in the past few years and no other team in Seria A, and probably in the world, can match them in this aspect and the result of that is very obviouse,
€226M. There you have the answer. This is the deficit figure for Inter last term and it ain't pennies. Moratti can't go on like that forever. Milan had a balanced budget.
ps. Vieira is a finished player.
Vieira is a finished player? I can't see any basis for such a suggestion.
We really should be sorting out a deal for Vargas during this transfer window, lets jump ahead of the queue for once and get him before we lose him to Juve or Roma. I don't see why we wouldn't want him or why we'd waste time in not getting him.
Graeme C
17-01-2008, 05:24
Vieira is a finished player? I can't see any basis for such a suggestion.
We really should be sorting out a deal for Vargas during this transfer window, lets jump ahead of the queue for once and get him before we lose him to Juve or Roma. I don't see why we wouldn't want him or why we'd waste time in not getting him.
Yeah i agree Jim, we should be jumping at the chance of getting him now. With Favalli, Maldini, serghino and Cafu all out we could afford to get Zambrotta, Vargas and De Silvestri.
Its actually quite promising that we have pozzi, Borriello and Matri doing sorta well in the league. If Oliviera has got 10 goals in 20 games, and Pozzi has got 8 in 12 games i know who i would prefer to come back. Hopefully we could use Oliviera as a transfer tool. Maybe we could trade him for Vargas?
If Ronaldo stays, then we only really need to sign 1 striker or just bring 2 back from loan. If we lose Gilardino i would like benzema to come in and either keep Borriello or Pozzi or even Paloschi. At this rate i have a feeling Borriello will end up being a higher scorer than Amauri, even possibly getting a azzurri call. Hamsik has really impressed me so far, spes for a 18 year old.
Vieira is a finished player? I can't see any basis for such a suggestion.
Apart from him having played poorly when he last played, which now feels like ages ago. He is just on the stretcher all the time and he is a player that have used his (now failing) physical traits quite a lot in his play. I can't see how we possibly could find any more top class football in him.
kastriot
17-01-2008, 05:50
We can easily change back the name of the topic to Summer Mercato...cuz i dont see our management doing smth at the moment, especially after the game against Napoli, which can be considered by Management as barometer of them being right that Pato was all we needed.
kastriot
17-01-2008, 05:57
Apart from him having played poorly when he last played, which now feels like ages ago. He is just on the stretcher all the time and he is a player that have used his (now failing) physical traits quite a lot in his play. I can't see how we possibly could find any more top class football in him.
Jamie is right, we cant judge weather Vieira is over or not, even and average Vieira is fairly good IMO. Anyway Cambiaso can cover for him perfectly nowadays.
His been instrumental in this season and i`m really worried when I think of vieira-cambiaso-zanetti midfield , arguably the best defensive midfield in the world and the tree of them can play good football offensively.
Jamie is right, we cant judge weather Vieira is over or not, even and average Vieira is fairly good IMO. Anyway Cambiaso can cover for him perfectly nowadays.
His been instrumental in this season and i`m really worried when I think of vieira-cambiaso-zanetti midfield , arguably the best defensive midfield in the world and the tree of them can play good football offensively.
Cambiasso have never covered for Vieira, if you say that then you just don't know much about todays Inter. Cambiasso came to Inter before Vieira and is easily one of their best players, Vieira have played little and made little impact.
"fairly good" just ain't good enough for a top club, those are just players that are passengers.
Kris may easily be right at the end. Vieira has been injured for exactly a year and he made only one comeback during this year which lasted not more than 2 matches.
At 31, close to 32 it's hard to come back after a year on the sidelines.
The others may also be right at the end. Vieira is a very intelligent player and he used his brains as much as he used his muscles. If he leaves the injuries behind, he can again be , not fairly good, but very good.
Ambrosini was also out injured all the time but his best matches were played exactly after his comeback last year, when he was also over 30.
Yesterday evening Adriano Galliani has met Della Valle during a market dinner. Would have spoken, among other thing, about of a possible exchange between the goalie Sebastien Frey (27), objective number one of Milan, and Alberto Gilardino (25), striker so much estimated for viola trainer Cesare Prandelli.
kastriot
17-01-2008, 10:41
Cambiasso have never covered for Vieira, if you say that then you just don't know much about todays Inter. Cambiasso came to Inter before Vieira and is easily one of their best players, Vieira have played little and made little impact.
"fairly good" just ain't good enough for a top club, those are just players that are passengers.
I know everything about todays Inter ,as is our main rival....what meant is that with Cambiaso u can not feel the absence of Vieira and even stankovic...Cambiaso has been impressive lately...and nobody can argue that..
When Cambiaso came to inter was good...but not even close to what does he mean for inter now.
kastriot
17-01-2008, 10:42
Cambiasso have never covered for Vieira, if you say that then you just don't know much about todays Inter. Cambiasso came to Inter before Vieira and is easily one of their best players, Vieira have played little and made little impact.
"fairly good" just ain't good enough for a top club, those are just players that are passengers.
I know everything about todays Inter ,as is our main rival....what I meant is that with Cambiaso u can not feel the absence of Vieira and even stankovic...Cambiaso has been impressive lately...and nobody can argue that..
When Cambiaso came to inter was good...but not even close to what does he mean for inter now.
Milan vs Inter is a proof...I`m sorry to say but he was all over the place..and to be honest he made Rinho look like a puppy.
Kris may easily be right at the end. Vieira has been injured for exactly a year and he made only one comeback during this year which lasted not more than 2 matches.
At 31, close to 32 it's hard to come back after a year on the sidelines.
The others may also be right at the end. Vieira is a very intelligent player and he used his brains as much as he used his muscles. If he leaves the injuries behind, he can again be , not fairly good, but very good.
Ambrosini was also out injured all the time but his best matches were played exactly after his comeback last year, when he was also over 30.
Nice fence sitting there T29 :D
Hi all, I'm new in this forum, just register... Although I already spent many times as "spectator" here :sun:
just wanna comment about current mercato. Let's use inter vs milan as example, with a team like that we were still able to grab a goal. And their 2 goals, cruz' goal was inevitable, while cambia's goal was... a gift. IMHO, if just we have a decent keeper, we would at least draw with them
so, for short term why can't we just loan a keeper from elsewhere for the rest of the season, while aiming for a real good keeper at the end of the season.
For short term: kasper schmeicel, issakson, or even fabiasnsky of arsenal.
For long term: Buffon (real hard target, but worth it), Lloris, Ochoa
with one of these keeper, plus the team that destroyed napoli last week, everyone will fear us... :5guitar:
PS: it's not like I'm against to sign another player (for other position), but I only write what seems to be priority...
Welcome, kawiki.
I have to say it...are people just impressed with schmeichel because of the name and his good start for a few games this year? he is a looong way to go to be considered for a decent team, let alone milan. he's been loaned out from man city, so i don't think that he is a realistic thought for us. i'd rather take abbiati back or just go with kalac.
In Dida's defense, he did seem invigorated for the napoli game....
we can have this new 'brazilian' nickname...
Di-
Ca-Ser
Em-
Ka-
Ro-Pa
....rolls right off the tongue, doesn't it?!
well, I only mentioned kasper's name just as an example. I also mentioned 2 other guys, whom I reckoned rather "easy to get" as they are the second string in their club. I read somewhere (forgot the source) that Isaksson wants to be loaned out, so why not?
If the milan management sign another keeper, then be my guest, as long as he's better than dida... Maybe cech? :devs:
Btw, is copolla still ours?
@jtelly: you forgot to mention digao and RO...
Lets go Croatian next year !! We bring Bilić as a coach, Corluka to cover RB, Modric to play central midfielder left to Pirlo... And Zambrotta :) :) :)
Seriousely, Kaka' said: " our gold is to reach 4th place..." Isnt iot sad for a golden ball winner to say such a thing? We really do need few great players. Well see in the sumnmer aguess, but even now we could use some players as our 2nd team is really not up to standards. Players like Vargas, Drenthe and so on...are available now. Just a thought.
if you have a chance look at the goals Pazzini scored in latest Fiorentina coppa match :wow:
As far as Gila is concerned, I believe the only thing that keeps him in Milan is a fact he is italian. But the time has come to sell him in the summer with Pazzini beying bought by Berlusconi :)
I like the comments from Silvio Jnr regarding Gilardino & Dida. Supportive but with enough edge to them to let them know they need to raise their game if they are to have any future with our team beyond the summer.
Maybe a fresh face like him is what we need. New ideas and new market strategies.
Graeme C
19-01-2008, 18:15
yeah i agree, he knows exactly what to say without putting too much fear into the players.
Rumour today that gilardino will be swoped for Frey and that Belusconi has been impressed by Borriello this term. So he could be heading back to us in the summer. Its weird seing him in the top 3 scorers lol..
I'm fed up with Gila,and I will welcome his departure happily.And I hope the rumour that he will be swoped for frey comes true..
How about Zambrotta?Will he join us?
I agree;Gilaridno should just go. He isa good striker but, like Gourcuff, he has no future here because of the system.
It's time for Gilardino to go.
agree.Gila and Gorky has talents but somehow they just couldn't works with Milan's system.Gila for Frey woulb be awesome.and i could keep dreaming about...Arsenal will let us take Fabregas with splash some money + giving Gorky .. lolz... mission impossible.but i am a dreaming gal! :gonova:
rosoneri_11
20-01-2008, 05:07
AC Milan coach Ancelotti: Benzema won't suit us
tribalfooball.com - January 19, 2008
AC Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti admits they're unlikely to compete for Olympique Lyon striker Karim Benzema at the end of this season.
"I like Benzema," said Ancelotti yesterday, "but I don't know if he can play with (Alexandre) Pato. The same goes for (Alberto) Gilardino."
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Is Ancelotti mad? How can say those things for the best young talented striker on Europe?
He says "I don't know if he can play with (Alexandre) Pato". So what you believe that he can play better with Gila?
haha, Carlo has always surpries us with his statemants...
Benzema: I want Milan
Carlo: He cant play with Pato....
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Anyway, its all just talk. Well see in the summer. If we want the scudetto we need few top class players. Piersilvio Berlusconi looks like a guy that knows what to say, Im satisfied with the way he is starting to take control in Milan as he will be Silvios replacement. Mexes, Zambrotta and Frey were his choices for the dfence, alongside two young italian players Darmiani and one more. :v408:
rosoneri_11
20-01-2008, 06:18
haha, Carlo has always surpries us with his statemants...
Benzema: I want Milan
Carlo: He cant play with Pato....
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Anyway, its all just talk. Well see in the summer. If we want the scudetto we need few top class players. Piersilvio Berlusconi looks like a guy that knows what to say, Im satisfied with the way he is starting to take control in Milan as he will be Silvios replacement. Mexes, Zambrotta and Frey were his choices for the dfence, alongside two young italian players Darmiani and one more. :v408:
Hey mrki on calciomercato i find this article and carlo says""Benzema? It appeals to to me, but I would not change him with Pato. And not even with Gilardino ". :wallbang:
Hey mrki on calciomercato i find this article and carlo says""Benzema? It appeals to to me, but I would not change him with Pato. And not even with Gilardino ". :wallbang:
Well we are hars and we are mostly joking in here, but the coach needs to say such things, he cang to against his own players in the middle of the season.
Boriello: 11 goals in serie a. :gun:
rosoneri_11
20-01-2008, 06:39
Boriello: 11 goals in serie a. :gun:
I just went on http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/stats/topscorers?league=ita.1&cc=5739 ans i saw it! :pr78: :pr78: :pr78:
Boriello: 11 goals in serie a. :gun:
So can we get big money if we sell him? :happy:
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Kaka--7thUCL
20-01-2008, 12:45
Off topic, but today against Udine, although pato didnt score, do any of you know how well he played?
Hasan Rossonero
20-01-2008, 14:51
"It's true" - Inter in Dinho talks!
Sunday 20 January, 2008
Milan transfer guru Adriano Galliani confirms he knows Inter “are in negotiations with Ronaldinho,” but it doesn’t bother the Rossoneri.
The Barcelona star had been the prime target for President Silvio Berlusconi over the past two years, but in recent weeks they have dropped their interest entirely.
Yesterday Inter boss Roberto Mancini told the media they were looking to sign Ronaldinho and would have no problem in settling him in.
“I know that there have been meetings and they are talking,” confessed Rossoneri Vice-President Galliani when asked about the rumours.
“I don’t need to look to reports, I got the information straight from the source. In any case, we are happy the way we are.”
This confirmation suggests negotiations for Ronaldinho are at an advanced stage, as he is unsettled at Barca and is looking for a move away.
Up until now the only real options were considered to be Milan and Chelsea, but now that the Rossoneri have pulled out, Inter are stepping into the race.
President Massimo Moratti has hinted he will make a spectacular signing for the club’s centenary year and Ronaldinho fits the bill.
“I did tell you before, but everyone thought I was joking,” smiled Mancio in the Press Conference.
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