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mrki

16-01-2007, 10:10

I that's true, we have a great 2nd keeper. Or the best 3rd keeper in the world :)
Maybe we are basing our tactics on strong keeper's lineup for next season: Dida, Gigi, Storari, Amelia, Kalac.... :)

OCmilano

16-01-2007, 10:17

Guys is this Ronaldo thing really going to go through? www.foxsports.com soccer section says they might work out a deal.....

King tiger

16-01-2007, 10:30

Il procuratore di Ronaldo, Fabiano Farah, è da ieri a Milano per tentare di chiudere l'accordo con i rossoneri. A rivelarlo è lo spagnolo "As". Al lavoro per la buona riuscita dell'operazione c'è anche Ernesto Bronzetti che sta provando ad avvicinare le parti. Il quotidiano spagnolo ricostruisce cosi' gli sviluppi della vicenda: ''alle prime ore di ieri mattina l'agente del calciatore e' arrivato a Madrid proveniente da Rio de Janeiro e si e' incontrato con l'attaccante dopo l'allenamento a Valdebedas per decidere il suo futuro''.

Contatti avviati con il Fenomeno. Ora tocca a lui liberarsi dal Real.
Ronaldo ci sta pensando nonostante stia valutando nello stesso tempo l'offerta quinquennale proveniente dall'Arabia da 5 milioni netti a stagione.
Ed anche da New York lo stanno tentando con una proposta multi milionaria.
Ma lui vorrebbe restare ancora protagonista nel calcio che conta.
Per questo tiene aperta la porta rossonera.
Capello non lo vuole piu', Ronaldo potrebbe arrivare da subito al Milan anche se non potesse essere impiegato in Champions League.
Ma al Real non eccita l'idea di cederlo in liquidazione proprio ai rossoneri dopo la vicenda Kakà.
L'offerta del Milan: prestito con diritto di riscatto e pagamento dell'attuale contratto da 6 milioni di euro. (Gazzetta dello sport)

From calciomercato.com, can someone translate this plz ?

Karim

16-01-2007, 10:38

OK, i really want an answer from people in Italy, or people who get the Gazetta Dello Sport or the Corriero, is it true that there is a 40% chance that Milan is gonna get Ronaldo?

zlatanov

16-01-2007, 10:47

where did you get that 40%, Karim? Why not 35 or 45? :)

As for these rumours, it seems his manager is in Milan and has been negotiating with Milan for a possible move. Real seems to be willing to do anything just to get rid of him in January. Milan however is rumoured to be having doubts as to whether they wanna go ahead with this move and that's why they seem to be asking for a loan till the end of the season with an end-of-the-season buy-out clause included in the deal.

Arildonardo

16-01-2007, 11:05

I hope we can have Ronaldo on loan for the rest of the season. He would be great backup for our strikers. I mean, it's only Gilardino of our strikers who are in form.

Then, if Ronaldo shows his potential we can probably get him cheap in the summer as he's finished in Madrid anyway. Or let him go somewhere else if he hasn't done too god.

Great replacement for Borriello in any case.

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 11:22

Great replacement for Borriello in any case.
With his wages, he'll be everything but replacement for Borriello.
He'll have a guaranteed place in starting 11 in serie A, imo !

And if you get Ronaldo, it will be only a 6 months loan, i'm sure. Because if you wanna buy him lately, you'll get a "Kaka request" from Madrid.
Unless you wanna sell Kaka to Real, then it's better not to have anything to do with those guys.

kef

16-01-2007, 11:41

from channel 4:

We are linked with Storari from Messina, I found him a good goalkeeper in the games I saw of him, it were only 2-3 games so I don't really know him well. But it would be a good short solution, I think.

Giorgos

16-01-2007, 11:49

Here in Greece we have the information that Belletti is very close to Milan, there is nothing still sure just why i didnt post a new thread.

kastriot

16-01-2007, 11:53

We are linked to 1000 players every transfer window, And I dont know weather they are only rumors, or our management is really unsuccessful. We have only managed to sign players out of blue..ex: Bonera,Favalli,Grimi,Oliveira, I really don`t belive in Braida`s and Galliani`s ability to negotiate anymore...

zlatanov

16-01-2007, 11:54

With his wages, he'll be everything but replacement for Borriello.
He'll have a guaranteed place in starting 11 in serie A, imo !

And if you get Ronaldo, it will be only a 6 months loan, i'm sure. Because if you wanna buy him lately, you'll get a "Kaka request" from Madrid.
Unless you wanna sell Kaka to Real, then it's better not to have anything to do with those guys.
I doubt Ronaldo would have a guaranteed place in the starting 11 and wages won't matter here since if he comes he would be subjected to a "test" period till the end of the season or, if he does come on a permamnent deal, it would be a very cheap transfer.
I doubt Milan are getting Ronnie to grant him a starting place no matter what, but mostly to see if they could get him back. or at least near, his past form and reap any possible rewards from that ... after all, there arent many strikers out there who are better than an inform Ronaldo ... the question here is whether we'd be able to get him back in shape, hence, Milan's desire to get him on loan.
Kaka's name will hardly come up here as Real are literary desperate to make Capello happy and get rid of Ronnie as soon as possible ... so desperate that even letting him go for free would be fine with them giving his wages and Capello's refusal to have him in the squad as a back up. Should they mention Kaka in the conversation, Real are well aware that Milan will end the negotiations and thus they, Real, will lose a great opportunity to get rid of their burden ...

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 12:36

I doubt Ronaldo would have a guaranteed place in the starting 11 and wages won't matter here since if he comes he would be subjected to a "test" period till the end of the season or, if he does come on a permamnent deal, it would be a very cheap transfer.
I'm talking about a guaranteed starting 11 place till the end of this season, in case he joins you on loan.
I'm not sure who'll pay his wages in next 6 months if he comes on loan, but if it's going to be Milan, then i don't see him on the bench in serie A ( concidering he won't play CL at all and the latest Inzaghi incident) thus i can't see him as a Borriello replacement as the member above said.

I doubt Milan are getting Ronnie to grant him a starting place no matter what, but mostly to see if they could get him back. or at least near, his past form and reap any possible rewards from that ... after all, there arent many strikers out there who are better than an inform Ronaldo ... the question here is whether we'd be able to get him back in shape, hence, Milan's desire to get him on loan.

Kaka's name will hardly come up here as Real are literary desperate to make Capello happy and get rid of Ronnie as soon as possible ... so desperate that even letting him go for free would be fine with them giving his wages and Capello's refusal to have him in the squad as a back up. Should they mention Kaka in the conversation, Real are well aware that Milan will end the negotiations and thus they, Real, will lose a great opportunity to get rid of their burden ...
But Kaka's name will have to come up if you do get Ronnie in shape.

You're getting him on loan :
1. If he fails you're not getting anything but paying his wages, and Real sells him in USA or Saudi Arabia. Win ( not paying his wages)-Win ( selling him anyway) situation for Real
2. If he gets back his form, he's still Real's player. Real may decide to keep him or sell him. If they decide to sell him they will get many offers ( concidering Ronaldo is back in shape) , and if Milan will like to buy him then i don't see how Kaka's name won't come up.
You're getting blackmailed : "Eather sell us Kaka or no Ronaldo. If you don't wanna buy Ronaldo, then fine. There are many who'll like to get him from us"
Win-Win situation for Real again.

The most Milan can get from Ronaldo ( without having to sell Kaka to Real) is to get his help in serie A for getting 4th place. And that's something you'll achieve anyway, even without Ronaldo !

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 12:47

if he does come on a permamnent deal, it would be a very cheap transfer.
.

This is another case, though !
If Milan buys him now, then what you're saying is valid. Neather Kaka's name will come out, neather he'll have to be a starter !

rosoneri_11

16-01-2007, 12:48

We are connected only with rubbish,rubbish,rubbish,rubbish,rubbish, and again rubbish players!

We need desparate a good GK and we are close to sign Storari!
We also need a good Striker and we are connected with Ronaldo!

We are not anymore at the level of Barca,Chelsea or Real!
We can't steel from them any player that they are going to sign!We are allowed only to sign their rubbish players hat they offers to us or an unproven player!Or Mr. Berlusconi doesn't want to spend big money and brings us them best for milan!We had an aged Milan and we are not doing anything for the good of this club!

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 12:51

We are connected only with rubbish players!
I'd rather be connected with rubbish players and buy classy players, then being connected to classy ones and buy rubbish !

These are only rumours, and as many members said many times : Milan is almost never buying the players connected to Milan by some journalists !

zlatanov

16-01-2007, 12:53

I'm talking about a guaranteed starting 11 place till the end of this season, in case he joins you on loan.
I'm not sure who'll pay his wages in next 6 months if he comes on loan, but if it's going to be Milan, then i don't see him on the bench in serie A ( concidering he won't play CL at all and the latest Inzaghi accident) thus i can't see him as a Borriello replacement as the member above said.

But Kaka's name will have to come up if you do get Ronnie in shape.

You're getting him on loan :
1. If he fails you're not getting anything but paying his wages, and Real sells him in USA or Saudi Arabia. Win ( not paying his wages)-Win ( selling him anyway) situation for Real
2. If he gets back his form, he's still Real's player. Real may decide to keep him or sell him. If they decide to sell him they will get many offers ( concidering Ronaldo is back in shape) , and if Milan will like to buy him then i don't see how Kaka's name won't come up.
You're getting blackmailed : "Eather sell us Kaka or no Ronaldo. If you don't wanna buy Ronaldo, then fine. There are many who'll like to get him from us"
Win-Win situation for Real again.

The most Milan can get from Ronaldo ( without having to sell Kaka to Real) is to get his help in serie A for getting 4th place. And that's something you'll achieve anyway, even without Ronaldo !

Yes, I agree that calling ronnie a replacement for Boriello is a little unerrating him as, if all Milan wanted from Ronnie was to sit on the bench and play 15-20 min every 4-5 games apart from Coppa Italia games, they would probably just bet on Aubumeyang and save themselves a small fortune in the form of Ronnie's wages.
What I meant was that Milan HOPE to get Ronnie back in shape and should that happen, he could well become our first choice striker alongside Gilardino. That, however, in no way means that Ronnie would just waltz his way into the Milan strting 11 if Milan's HOPES turn out to be just wishful thinking and he continues with his carefree attitude rather than bust his butt during training sessions.

As for the negotiations, I think Milan is going for a loan deal with a buy-out clause at the end of the season which would mean that should we opt to buy him, the price would be fixed from now and real won't be able to hold us hostage like Chelski did with Crespo a couple of years back. This will also prevent Real from asking us for an option on kaka.

The only things that's stopping the dela for now is that Real wanna make sure that there is no chance for Ronnie to go back to them i.e. Milan won't decide to kick his butt out of Milanello and that's why Real wants to make this deal a permanent one from now.

Also, if Real's transfer fee demands are deemed high by Milan - say 10 mil, Milan may very well ask ronaldo to significantly lower his wage demands from the current 6+ mil/season he's getting at Real, which would turn into another obstacle for the deal to be finalized as ronnie and his agent, got bless him :), wont be too happy with cutting back on the income ;).
These same wages, however, may prove the key in resolving this mess as Real could well decide in the end that it would be best for them to just ask for say 5 mil from Milan for Ronnie - or even hand him to us for free - only and only to get rid of him. Should this happen, Milan would be very likely to sustain Ronnie's current wages - or offer him a little less than 6 mil, say 5 mil - since he would be a relatively cheap solution for them and in a way even a free agent.

EDIT:

As far as real asking us for Kaka, I think the most important factor here is that it is Real that desperately wnats to get rid of Ronie AS SOON AS POSSIBLE no matter what ... that hardly warrents even mentioning kaka's name as, as mentioned, they'd immediately lose a possible solution for them - sending ronnie to Milan - and they would stub themselves in the back.
The same goes for cassano, he's another player Real would beg us to rid them off, so they would hardly dare to even mention an option on Kaka as they are the ones with an interest to get rid of Cassano, not Milan.
If we were speaking of Milan asking Real for Robinho, yes I have no doubt that the first thing Calderon would do is make kaka the subject of the negotiations ... but not when it comes to Cassano and ronnie as the other factors are just too overwhelming.

prifess

16-01-2007, 13:07

idd, he wants to get rid of ronnie and cassano,
ronnie has bad influence on robinhio and others ... madrid want to sell them at any price. cassano 2(due to his bad attitude).

now we now for sure they want kaka. but milan made a good step by saying: 'we don't need another striker we got a top striker in our youth + our first team strikers"
so real is not anymore the team who decides who milan will buy(as a striker) if madrid don't want to sell robinhio, that is fine by milan they just tried... madrid will now not included a deal with kaka... they know it is useless...

as for that rubbish response: thats right: ronaldo, oddo, ... we need some world class YOUNG players...
why spend 110mil€ on dinhio? pfff

and why are we in need of strikers???? lets strenghen up our defence

rosoneri_11

16-01-2007, 13:10

For me its a shame that we are in close to sign Storari and not Amelia or someone else good!
Its a shame that we were close to sign Beckham but at last time thanks God he decided to go at U.S.A!And Galiani confirmed that!Why you stupid Galiani confirmed that???You are proud that you was so close to sign Beckham???Are you joking to us???Yes of course!!!
Its a shame to be connected with 30 years old RB's players, Oddo and Belleti to replace a 36 years old Cafu!
Its a shame to be connected with ronaldo and not for Fernando Torres or someone else at his age and talent!
We had an aged Milan and we are hoping, and going to keep the same team???

Arildonardo

16-01-2007, 13:11

With his wages, he'll be everything but replacement for Borriello.
He'll have a guaranteed place in starting 11 in serie A, imo !

And if you get Ronaldo, it will be only a 6 months loan, i'm sure. Because if you wanna buy him lately, you'll get a "Kaka request" from Madrid.
Unless you wanna sell Kaka to Real, then it's better not to have anything to do with those guys.
Ronaldo still has a tremendous PR-value - more than most players, so I don't think we'd lose that much buy taking him on loan for 6 months. Of course, if Real Madrid make a Kaká request as part of the deal than we should drop the whole thing. I'm not stupid after all... :grinser:

When I said Ronaldo will be replacement for Borriello, I just meant that Borriello is out and Ronaldo is in. I think Ronaldo is probably better than both Pippo and RO at the time, so he would be our 2nd striker after Gilardino.

I think a trio of Kaká, Gilardino and Ronaldo on top would be formidable. Especially now that Ronaldo has to prove for everone that he's still got it, which is new for the man. And I think Milan is the club to get it out.

rosoneri_11

16-01-2007, 13:15

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 14:09

zlatanov

16-01-2007, 14:22

These are all valid points you made here Zlat.
The only thing that confuses me is WHY MILAN ?
There must be many more clubs who could offer Real what Milan offers.
Real does wants to get rid of him desperately. But if they put him on the transfer market i'm sure there will be at least 3 teams with an acceptable offer, or in case Real is prepared to leave him go for free, then there will be maybe even 5-6 teams ready to pay some 5 M Euro per year to Ronaldo.
If there aren't others apart from Milan after Ronaldo, then yes, Milan can get him without Kaka's name being mentioned.
But what if Roma, Milan, Al Itihad and San Jose Sharks all make the same offer for Ronaldo, and he ends in Milan ? Won't you find it suspicious, concidering Real didn't give up on Kaka ?
the thing is that Ronaldo is considered more or less "finished" as a player by the big European clubs and not many would wanna deal with a high-salary demanding, over the top, injury-proned and out of shape player like him.
The only reason why Milan would wanna gamble on him is his talent and their Milan which the club believes will be able to restore his fitness, at least to a certain extent, of his glorious past.
Also, it's normal for a player to lack/lose desire to perform and push himself after 4-5 years at one club and especially when he's become the target of mockery of that club's fans. In such cases, changing the environment may do wonders for the drive and determination of that player and jumpstart his career.
Of course, in the end of the day, all the above is very relative and move like that is nothing short of a gamble or let's call it a measured risk. That's exactly why Milan is going for this loan-first deal, so that they could get a clearer idea of where Ronaldo is standing exactly and whether Milan lab would be able to help him get back on his feet ... this is exactly why Milan isn't going all guns blazing and going for a permamnent deal, it's a risky "operation" anyway you look at it.

EDIT:

As for why Milan, well, at this point in time Milan is Ronaldo's only chance for him to stay in top football as opposed to drop straight into oblivion by becoming yet another money-hungry tourist playing for a club in Saudi Arabia or the MLS ... such a move literary spells out "I AM OFFICIALLY FINISHED, HISTORY" with capital letters all the way.

An answer to the question "Why Milan" from Real's perspective:

It;s the above that gives Milan a certain "advantage" in this matter as Ronaldo's wish is also important in a possible deal. Also, Real are in no place to wage many demands here because again - they are the ones that want Ronie out as soon as possible and it's in their interest to give him to Milan for less money - or even for free - rather than sell him to Al Itihad because otherwise he may very well put the breaks on that deal and Real will miss the chance of getting the one thing they want - getting rid of him ;)

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 14:37

As for why Milan, well, at this point in time Milan is Ronaldo's only chance for him to stay in top football as opposed to drop straight into oblivion by becoming yet another money-hungry tourist playing for a club in Saudi Arabia or the MLS ... such a move literary spells out "I AM OFFICIALLY FINISHED, HISTORY" with capital letters all the way
I know, but this is the answer Ronaldo will give to a "Why Milan" question. It's not the answer Real will give.
If Real has two offers, one from MLS team and one from Milan, as much desperate they are to get rid of Ronnie, they'll still play on the Kaka card, imo, because they still have a second option and they still have 2 more weeks till the end of the transfer window.
And if Milan says NO, then Real can also say NO to Ronaldo in Milan and sell him in USA.
As much Ronaldo would hate to play outside Europe, he'll have 2 choices left, and i believe he'll chose MLS , which is still a better choice than the bench in Real Madrid ( actually, it's not even the bench)

Nevermind, lets wait and see what happens. Maybe i'm saying all these things because i was reading an interview with Predrag Mijatovic, few days ago, where he said Real is doing everything to get Kaka, and now i somehow conect every single rumour about Real and Milan with Kaka.

zlatanov

16-01-2007, 14:39

I know, but this is the answer Ronaldo will give to a "Why Milan" question. It's not the answer Real will give.
If Real has two offers, one from MLS team and one from Milan, as much desperate they are to get rid of Ronnie, they'll still play on the Kaka card, imo, because they still have a second option and they still have 2 more weeks till the end of the transfer window.
And if Milan says NO, then Real can also say NO to Ronaldo in Milan and sell him in USA.
As much Ronaldo would hate to play outside Europe, he'll have 2 choices left, and i believe he'll chose MLS , which is still a better choice than the bench in Real Madrid ( actually, it's not even the bench)

Nevermind, lets wait and see what happens. Maybe i'm saying all these things because i was reading an interview with Predrag Mijatovic, few days ago, where he said Real is doing everything to get Kaka, and now i somehow conect every single rumour about Real and Milan with Kaka.

I mentioned that in the second part of the "EDITED" section of my previous post :)

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 14:39

It;s the above that gives Milan a certain "advantage" in this matter as Ronaldo's wish is also important in a possible deal. Also, Real are in no place to wage demand here because again - they are the ones that want Ronie out as soon as possible and it's in their interest to give him to Milan for less money - or even for free - rather than sell him to Al Itihad because otherwise he may very well put the breaks on that deal and Real will miss the chance of getting the one thing they want - getting rid of him ;)
Lol, looks like you knew what i was going to say, so you edited your post.

But still, i think, i answered even the edited part. If the choice is USA or not playing at all in Real...he won't block the transfer !

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 14:44

Oh, and excuse me for not being able to answer your next reply.

I'm gonna watch Juve not being able to beat Cesena :) ( again we're missing 8 players :( )
Bettingwise, i need 3 or more goals on this match.
Wish me luck !

zlatanov

16-01-2007, 14:45

Lol, looks like you knew what i was going to say, so you edited your post.

But still, i think, i answered even the edited part. If the choice is USA or not playing at all in Real...he won't block the transfer !
that'e true but what does playing in the USA would mean for Ronaldo ... again that "I am FINISHED ... " part ... in capital letters :D
Basically, wherever he goes outside Europe - whether it's Saudi Arabia or USA - it's gonna be like going to retirement center for him ... it would mean the official end of great career, it would mean Ronaldo is officially a former, a used to be great player, he would be just a tourist from the perspective of the places where big football is being played - Europe and South America.
That's why, if he still wants to prove that he isn't finished, staying in Europe and staying with a BIG club in Europe is his only ticket out of the history books.

zlatanov

16-01-2007, 14:46

kastriot

16-01-2007, 14:52

you are excused. :rone:
OK, it's hard to say it but good luck :ilol:

You don`t have to wish him luck so JUVE would win,you could also wish him luck that Cesena wins 3-0,and he will be right in his prediction :devf: :devf:

drucurl

16-01-2007, 15:52

I don't understand why all the Ronaldo hatred...its not like he's actually past it...rather Capello generally hates the brazilian way of doing things....If he has the gall to keep one of the best young talents of today's game ont he bench (Robinho) Surely, he'll keep Ronaldo out!!
Ronaldo is stronger AND faster than anything we have right now, so I don't see him decreasing the strength of the squad. Also, the way Real seem eager to get rid of him, hopefully he won't be too expensive

drucurl

16-01-2007, 17:08

SOON THE BEST PLAYER EVER WILL JOIN THE BEST CLUB EVER (EVIL LAUGH)
:clap: :clap: :r14: :rocky: :27rr: :1ole: :bright: :cheers: :

Ronaldo Closer To AC Milan?

It seems that all the official denials are merely a smokescreen for Ronaldo to return to San Siro with red instead of blue accompanying the black stripes on his shirt.

zoom - galleria The player’s agent, Fabiano Farah, took a last-minute flight to Italy today with the aim of brining the Rossoneri and the Fenômeno closer together.

He’ll be meeting with Milan negotiator Ernesto Bronzzetti according to Spanish daily ‘As’ (Ace) in an attempt to close the signing of the number 9 that Capello wants out of Madrid.

Farah has had a rapid series of trips as he landed in Madrid from Rio de Janeiro yesterday morning and met with his client at the Valdebebas training facilities.

The player knows that he has the Al-Ittihad option in reserve but is also keen to join a club capable of allowing him to experience the joy of winning the trophy he yearns for but is eluding him: the Champions League.

After the meeting the agent went straight to the airport and direct to Milan in a clear sign that R9’s preferences lie I a return to Italy rather than an Arabian adventure.

The stumbling block is that both Adriano Galliani and Silvio Berlusconi are still unsure of whether to bet on the wayward Brazilian or steer clear after the Rivaldo debacle.

Galliani was clear in declarations made to Italian sports daily ‘La Gazzetta dello Sport’: "Ronaldo? There’s a 98% chance we won’t sign him but we’re still open to developments even though right now it’s not time to talk of Ronaldo."
From goal.com

Milan will once again crush all in its path!!! :rocky:
Forza Milan!!

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 17:10

You don`t have to wish him luck so JUVE would win,you could also wish him luck that Cesena wins 3-0,and he will be right in his prediction :devf: :devf:
You're right ,
but Zlat is a great friend and he wished me luck anyway :)
And it worked. There were exactly 3 goals on this match so i won again.
But it was just another Pyrrhic victory. Juve won but lost the only 2 defenders left ( Kovac injured, Zebina red card).
Juve has not a single defender for the next match ( Chiellini, Boumsong, Tudor, Kovac,Legrotiagllie, Zebina are all out , plus Buffon is also injured) and if some of you are into betting, you can bet against Juve ! ;)

@ drucurl ,
I'm with you on this one, and from what i've read, some of the most valuable ( according to my judgement) MM members wouldn't mind Ronaldo, also !
Ronaldo's not finished, i'm sure about that !

drucurl

16-01-2007, 17:32

You're right ,
@ drucurl ,
I'm with you on this one, and from what i've read, some of the most valuable ( according to my judgement) MM members wouldn't mind Ronaldo, also !
Ronaldo's not finished, i'm sure about that !
You have no idea Tony29 how much I love Ronaldo :hug2: .......I hated football growing up you see.....and its only after seeing Ronaldo play that I even began to watch the game. My dad bought me my first football soon after and it was an AC Milan ball!! I did tons of research on both Milan and Ronaldo and learned about the legends like Pele' and Maradonna etc etc..but as far as I am concerned nobody has done it the way Ronaldo has...esp coming back from an injury that he was supposedly not going to be able to walk again!!

Ronaldo is a true winner...I know the last season he hasn't been at his best....but he still scored as much as Crespo Sheva and Henry and broke the record!!

Look @ Baptista....he was utter rubbish for Real...and he seems to be improving daily under Wenger!!

I'm not expecting a footballing Messiah....but if he can chip in the goals when asked...then I'd be happy as a lark..

I was kinda hoping for BOTH Ronaldo AND Pato since we really need mroe youth in our team.... If he wasn't able to play at a superstar level, at least we could have used him as a Larsson-type player, where his experience in tight situations would prove invaluable

Sorry for gushing like a pre-pubesent girl! :gmlh:

eltomas2

16-01-2007, 17:34

...now they are saying something along the lines that Ronaldo might wait until the 29th to make a decision, something to do with reviewing the votes that made Calderon president...calciomercato.com

Warro Bantan

16-01-2007, 17:41

So, he is weighing his options eh...? Nothing wrong with that....IMO, we should move for him, but only if he is motivated enough to come...this delay (if there is any truth in it, which I honestly doubt) would make me do a total about face...I wouldnt want him in that case at all!!!

drucurl

16-01-2007, 17:41

:sigh: :moan: :crybaby: :broken:

kastriot

16-01-2007, 17:51

I wish GRI NO LI was here, see whats he has to say about Milan signing Ronaldo :ilol: ,I know he wasnt so fond of him in the summer... :guw:

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 17:58

You have no idea Tony29 how much I love Ronaldo :hug2:
I don't know how old r u and if you had the chance to watch Ronaldo in 1996/7 season, but if you didn't then you missed a looooooooooooooot.

I was old enough during Maradona's zenith but since we didn't have La Liga or serie A broadcasted here in the 80's, i couldn't follow him regularly.

But we had La Liga matches every week in 1996/7 and what i saw from Ronnie back then i didn't see in my entire life, nor i think i'll see it ever again.
The best phuckin season someone had. 47 goals on 49 matches that season for a 20 years old kid while playing not for some third class Estonian team, but for mighty Barcelona.
And every goal was amazing ( you probably saw later that goal when he took the ball at midfield and passed through the entire defense to score smoothly.....i watched that match LIVE, and i swear i thought how he'll be the number 1 of all time)

But then he made the most stupid thing in the world by joining inter and i can't forgive him for not fullfilling my prediction and not becoming the best of all time.

Even if 10 years passed since 1997, i can't accept that a man who was doing all those things at 20 is finished at 30.
He's still the best attacker in the world. He only needs a change, a motivator like Gattuso and better psychiatrist :)

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 17:59

I wish GRI NO LI was here, see whats he has to say about Milan signing Ronaldo :ilol: ,I know he wasnt so fond of him in the summer... :guw:
Looooooooooooooool, that guy rocked !
I bet he's a member of some Chelsea forum. He was absolutely crazy about Sheva.

drucurl

16-01-2007, 18:02

for anyone who would care to read about my opinion on Ronaldo please check out this article I wrote:
http://community.goal.com/en/blogs/drucurl/archive/2006/10/06/1710.aspx

kastriot

16-01-2007, 18:03

Looooooooooooooool, that guy rocked !
I bet he's a member of some Chelsea forum. He was absolutely crazy about Sheva.

Don`t say that!!!! the mods may get angry :ilol: :ilol: :guw:

ZvonimirVukic

16-01-2007, 18:03

Yes Kalac is injured and he will be off fields for 30 to 60 days.But happy news is that Dida will be between post sunday for Lazio - Milan

drucurl

16-01-2007, 18:04

But then he made the most stupid thing in the world by joining inter
I almost felloff my chair lauching at that :rotfl:

Stitch

16-01-2007, 18:11

Milan Ready To Sign Storari Milan need a new goalkeeper after Kalac's injury.
Milan Ready To Sign Storari
zoom - galleria

According to reports Milan are about to reinforce their goalkeeping department with Messina's Marco Storari. Zeljko Kalac now also joined the infirmary with a damaged knee along with long-term injured Dida. The Australian will be out for about a month, so the Rossoneri need to get a new goalkeeper before the end of the month, when the transfer window closes again.

After damaging knee ligaments in the game against AEK Athens in the Champions League in late November, Dida has been on the sidelines ever since and is still a few weeks away from full fitness.

Messina confirmed there is a negotiation underway to bring the 30-year-old to San Siro. Milan were also linked with Matteo Sereni, but Lazio have refused to sell him despite the player's desire to leave the capital club. The Rossoneri were also keen on Marco Amelia of Livorno, but he is also target for Spartak Moscow. Still, Milan are reportedly ready to make a 14 million euro bid for the World Cup Winning reserve keeper.

Oh, well, why am I not surprised...

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 18:14

30-year-old to San Siro[/B]
Ehhh, for the zdrillion billion's time :
30 for a keeper is like 25 for some midfielder.
He doesn't has to run, and a keeper is getting better and better with the age.
Dino Zoff, Angelo Peruzzi, Van der sar, Dida ...

They were all better at 30 then they were at 25 or 26.

Look at Buffon. He's 29 and he's getting better with every single year passing.

28-33 are the best year for a goalkeeper.

kastriot

16-01-2007, 18:15

for anyone who would care to read about my opinion on Ronaldo please check out this article I wrote:
http://community.goal.com/en/blogs/drucurl/archive/2006/10/06/1710.aspx

NIce article on Ronaldo.. I do agree in most of the points with you, I`m sure that Ronaldo will be helpful for us one way or the other... If this is the expectation than I`m in for Ronaldo, but if they expect from him to be the SAVIOUR,than I`m afraid he can`t do that anymore.. though he can definitely surprise us... but if not :5horse:

rahul.acm

16-01-2007, 18:23

I am not sure if this is some tactic of Galliani, who, with his vast experience, is very much capable of doing. Our officials must have been pissed at RM's board when they did not release him and now they are trying to reduce his price lower than the 10 MN we had offered.

But! I don't know why we are going for him. The only possibility is that we are going to lose one of the following strikers: Oli, Gila or Pippo. Selling Gila would be foolish. Our officials wouldn't want to sell Oli which would make them look like lame ducks, again! Pippo has been speaking about his future. He has always been a player who seeks the limelight and if he doesn't get what he wants, he gets unsettled. Once Oli discovers his form then there will be very little possibility of him playing consistently and eventually screwing the mood and tempo of our dressing room: something our officials might be worried about.

If it is so then, we can use Pippo to extract a player from a good team, a team like Roma which has so many good youngsters. Also, Totti, who is like the invisible director of Roma, likes him and wants him to play at Roma. So.....

:r11:

Milan_Mad

16-01-2007, 18:23

Ehhh, for the zdrillion billion's time :
30 for a keeper is like 25 for some midfielder.
He doesn't has to run, and a keeper is getting better and better with the age.
Dino Zoff, Angelo Peruzzi, Van der sar, Dida ...

They were all better at 30 then they were at 25 or 26.

Look at Buffon. He's 29 and he's getting better with every single year passing.

28-33 are the best year for a goalkeeper.Add oilver kahn to that list also hes still one of the best

kastriot

16-01-2007, 18:34

Add oilver kahn to that list also hes still one of the best
Lets add lehman to the list too,Lehman is much better now with 33+ years than when he was 25 playing for MIlan!!!

eltomas2

16-01-2007, 18:40

Tony29.

16-01-2007, 18:56

Btw, as for Buffon-Inter possibile transfer.........

Buffon in the stands with Legrotaglie ( on today's match against Cesena), were both jumping up and down to the "Chi non salta è interista" chant. ("Who doesn't jump is an interista").

So, we know he ain't interista .
One possibile future club for Buffon - down
Many to go :(

:) :D

Egoistka

16-01-2007, 19:38

You have no idea Tony29 how much I love Ronaldo :hug2: .......I hated football growing up you see.....and its only after seeing Ronaldo play that I even began to watch the game. My dad bought me my first football soon after and it was an AC Milan ball!! I did tons of research on both Milan and Ronaldo and learned about the legends like Pele' and Maradonna etc etc..but as far as I am concerned nobody has done it the way Ronaldo has...esp coming back from an injury that he was supposedly not going to be able to walk again!!

Ronaldo is a true winner...I know the last season he hasn't been at his best....but he still scored as much as Crespo Sheva and Henry and broke the record!!

Look @ Baptista....he was utter rubbish for Real...and he seems to be improving daily under Wenger!!

I'm not expecting a footballing Messiah....but if he can chip in the goals when asked...then I'd be happy as a lark..

I was kinda hoping for BOTH Ronaldo AND Pato since we really need mroe youth in our team.... If he wasn't able to play at a superstar level, at least we could have used him as a Larsson-type player, where his experience in tight situations would prove invaluable

Sorry for gushing like a pre-pubesent girl! :gmlh:

Well, good for you that Ronaldo made you like football. And he is not a bad player...it is just that I think he is not Milan type of a player.

Bosniaco

16-01-2007, 21:58

I would not pay big for Roni, he is still a good player but if we can get him chip ;)

drucurl

16-01-2007, 23:35

Well, good for you that Ronaldo made you like football. And he is not a bad player...it is just that I think he is not Milan type of a player.
I still play mainly basketball...but I watch football more than the NBA :510:

rosoneri_11

17-01-2007, 05:28

From:http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jan17d.html

Ronaldo accepts Milan offer

Wednesday 17 January, 2007

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Ronaldo is on the verge of leaving Real Madrid after agreeing financial terms with Milan, according to reports in Italy.

The Brazilian is ready to leave the Spanish giants and his agent Fabiano Farah met Rossoneri Vice-President Adriano Galliani on Tuesday.

Farah has now flown back to Spain where he is scheduled to speak with Merengues sporting director Predrag Mijatovic about a transfer.

According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, Milan have offered the former Golden Ball winner a £4m per season contract, plus his entire image rights worth a lucrative £8m a year – which Ronaldo currently shares with Real.

The Rossoneri were initially interested in a loan deal, but have reportedly now decided to make a move to sign the player on a permanent basis until 2008.

Ronaldo is also a reported target for Flamengo, Arabian club Al-Ittihad and the MLS, but he seems interested in playing for one more important European club before ending his career elsewhere.

In the meantime, Real chief Ramon Calderon has renewed his threat of netting Milan star Kaka next summer.

“If I will still be the President in June, it is very likely that Kaka will join this club,” said the official while meeting a group of students on Tuesday.

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So Ronaldo is on the way to us, and our attack duo will be Ronaldo-Gilardino!But can he play at CL with us???

ZvonimirVukic

17-01-2007, 05:39

YES!!!!!
Ronaldooo

Z. Boban

17-01-2007, 06:41

hmm i hope they keep Kaká out of this deal if it goes through... :d33:

kef

17-01-2007, 07:43

from the official Milan site:

MILAN - Arriving at the Football League this morning, Adriano Galliani had this to say about Ronaldo: 'The Ronaldo hypothesis exists. Now we are waiting to see what Real Madrid have to say. The hypothesis is for a permanent transfer and a contract for a year and half at a figure inferior to what I have read in the newspapers today. The contract is the same one in length that he has with Real. The offer is to free up his contract with a permanent deal.

So it could really happen. Altough I was sceptic at first on his arrival, I am now excited about his possible arrival. And if you look at it: Ronaldo would complete a perfect circle: Inter->Barca->Real->Milan, he goes from rival to rival.

peters

17-01-2007, 07:56

Another player, not wanted in his own club, is packing to milan. I just hope i'm VERYVERY wrong about everything i think of him... really dissapointed right now

:pchate:

james007

17-01-2007, 07:57

why not try looking at newcastle" obafemi martins. that is what we need right now.

Kaka1899

17-01-2007, 08:02

as long as Kaka isnt part of the deal im not bothered as long as somebody will get the goals! im not bothered if its Gila,ronaldo or heck Dida we just need goals! also is he cup tied?

kef

17-01-2007, 08:05

yes, he is cup-tied.

james007

17-01-2007, 08:06

we need an obafemi martins or a wayne brige. and we need to offload dario simic

Egoistka

17-01-2007, 09:15

Another player, not wanted in his own club, is packing to milan. I just hope i'm VERYVERY wrong about everything i think of him... really dissapointed right now

:pchate:

I agree with you and I m also dissapointed...What is going on with Milan? Plus Real now thinks that because of this deal they ll get Kaka! Nonsense!!! Kaka is million times better!

Jeff

17-01-2007, 13:02

Another player, not wanted in his own club, is packing to milan. I just hope i'm VERYVERY wrong about everything i think of him... really dissapointed right now

:pchate:

Are you talking about our midfielders?

El Fre

17-01-2007, 13:08

good point jeff

people have some faith

Tony29.

17-01-2007, 16:44

Btw, since i remember some of you mentioned him :

That youngster Rossi from Man Utd came to Parma on loan, so don't count on him for now !

rahul.acm

17-01-2007, 16:52

Rossi has said before that he admires Milan from the time van Basten was playing. It surely would be great to see him at San Siro ... give him a taste of what it feels like playing in front of one of the best fans.

I am sure our management must have had an eye on him but they know that Fergie won't let him go unless there is a rift between them.

hitmannq8

17-01-2007, 18:45

rahul: or unless Rossi doesnt sign a new contract with Man Utd. His existing one lasts till 2010 I think, he can stay there and leave at 24, an ideal age to join Milan at.

hmm i wonder, cant we try to get Robinho instead of Ronaldo?? he also isnt needed at Real i believe..

zlatanov

17-01-2007, 19:47

hmm i wonder, cant we try to get Robinho instead of Ronaldo?? he also isnt needed at Real i believe..
In the deal for Ronaldo, it's Real who have an interest because, simply put, they wanna get rid of him as soon as possible ... that's why they won't ask us for an option on Kaka.
In a deal for a player like Robinho, however, Real won't lose a sec to include Kaka's name in the negotiations.
Basically, because of their salivation over Kaka, at this point in time it's impossible to deal with Real for important players other outcasts that they wanna kick out, like Ronaldo and Cassano for instance.

Egoistka

17-01-2007, 21:10

Storari from Messina to Milan....

According to www.soccer365.com:

"AC Milan have signed Italian goalkeeper Marco Storari from Messina.

Storari, who has kept goal for Messina for the past four years, has penned a deal with the Rossoneri until June 2010, the club confirmed on Wednesday.

The 30-year-old will be understudy to Brazilian goalkeeper Dida, who is expected to return to action next week after being sidelined for the last two months with a knee injury. "

Probably someone has already wrote about that...But I didn't see, so decided to post it here...

prifess

18-01-2007, 06:11

robinhio is needed at madrid

-ronaldo, helguera, emerson, raul, cassano, baptista
they may all leave

drucurl

18-01-2007, 08:18

Bad news: Inter rejected our bid for Pato. I know I wanted Ronaldo, but my olan was to have them both.....Ronaldo is sure to get injured alot and if we don't have a young protoge'...we're screwed!

Sloburn

18-01-2007, 09:35

What do you say about thi rumour Milan hav officially appraoched Klose

MOOD

18-01-2007, 09:43

i dont like klose as his own person, but as player he would be helpfull for milan

drucurl

18-01-2007, 09:59

Mijatovic initially started with an inflexible position: 20 million Euros or Ronaldo stays put, even if that’s at home. Galliani took the opposite end of the economic spectrum.

The Italian exec stated that Milan would be pleased to count on the Fenômeno, but only if he arrived back at San Siro on a free transfer.

Both have since softened their positions, Madrid willing to let the player go for around 10 million Euros and Milan making an initial – rebuffed – bid of 4 million and readying a higher 8 million offer according to Italy’s ‘La Gazzetta dello Sport’ (Sports Gazette).

If the reports are to be believed it’s possible that a Ronaldo deal may be hammered out for a midway 9 million Euros that appears to be acceptable to both sides.

APM

zlatanov

18-01-2007, 10:01

and that must be goal.com, right :)

Campari

18-01-2007, 11:08

Here in Germany, there rumors that Milan is interested in Klose from Werder Bremen...

Pireloke

18-01-2007, 11:23

Here in Germany, there rumors that Milan is interested in Klose from Werder Bremen...

I like him, but I read Juventus wants him several times in the last six months, we'll see.

Tony29.

18-01-2007, 11:55

I like him, but I read Juventus wants him several times in the last six months, we'll see.
Klose is only an option in case Trezeguet leaves Juve.
Secco said Juve will do and is doing everything to keep Trez and they aren't interested in his replacement, 'cause he won't leave. ( the interview went like this : Will you buy Klose ? No, we have Trezeguet ! )
So, in case Trezeguet stays with Juve, then i don't see Klose coming to Turin.

Btw, Werder asked for 20 M Euro to let Klose go !!

Nevertheless, Juve's jersey suits him :D:

Warro Bantan

18-01-2007, 12:11

Doesnt look so happy to me Tony!! :D

Pireloke

18-01-2007, 12:15

Doesnt look so happy to me Tony!! :D

His face expresses almost "damn I should have washed it with the other product, now all the red is gone, but no one will notice it when I smile" kind of emotion :happy:

Tony29.

18-01-2007, 12:20

Ahhh, Milan fans.
They never apreciated a true artist :(

drucurl

18-01-2007, 16:29

Ronaldo Ready To Pay Part Of Milan Move?

Ronaldo may still be a Real Madrid player and Capello may have said that he could still use the number 9, Ronaldo is reported to be ready to pay his way out of the White House and into the ranks of AC Milan.

zoom - galleria The striker feels that he has been totally undermined by Ramón Calderón and Capello, feeling the double-barrelled attacks he’s been suffering from both are the final straw after last year’s merciless ribbing by fans about his weight.

Spanish daily ‘Marca’ claims Italian sources that have confirmed that Ronaldo is even ready to dig deep into his own pockets to escape from Real Madrid and into another top European club where he could still hope to jockey for a Champions League he’s never won.

According to these reports the Fenômeno may be seriously considering coughing up a phenomenal 5 million Euros to sweeten the 4-million offer that Milan made and approach the 10 million mark that pundits are claiming to be the base for a successful deal.

The striker is still under contract with Real Madrid until the 30th of June 2008, so the remaining 18 months of his contract could see him bag 12 million Euros. Given the fact that his current Merengue deal splits his 11-million yearly advertising revenue 50/50 this is an option.

If followed, this path would see Ronaldo accept a similar salary deal from the Rossoneri but his new home would be willing to let him keep his advertising rights intact, therefore meaning that Milan would effectively be paying the extra 5 million, although Ronaldo would hand it over.
goal.com

To me this shows HOW MUCH the guy wants to play for us!!!!
I mean not even Crespo wanted to pay his transfer fee!! :hmmm:
I think that should cool a little of the Ronaldo hate for a while

drucurl

18-01-2007, 16:37

Ok... in short goal.com says that Chelsea is after Ronaldinho, Juve is after Huntelaar....... and we can't even get Ronaldo yet :angf:
Ronaldo is good....great.... but the revolution WON'T WORK unless we have a young striker!!! :frustrat:
In other news Messi said that he wants Juve or Inter...oh really Messi well if you must :5inter: then :wallbang: see if I care :hmm2: :5dito:

Tony29.

18-01-2007, 17:44

Dunno if someone asked allready but ...

Is Ronaldo married ?
Seedorf is asking :D

SANT

18-01-2007, 18:57

oh, Tony, Tony, Tony... c'mon... don't try to start a bonfire here...

now Ronaldo is single, and Seedorf is married to a Brazilian beauty... deja vu?

kastriot

19-01-2007, 02:17

Dunno if someone asked allready but ...

Is Ronaldo married ?
Seedorf is asking :D

Thats hilarious, Thanks god his single,otherwise it would have been prolem :ilol:

devoted_dm

19-01-2007, 06:16

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jan19e.html

Lazio’s Massimo Oddo is on the verge of joining Milan given that Delio Rossi is set to drop him from the starting line-up against the Rossoneri.

The right-back has been assured of his place in the side so far this term, but Thursday’s training session suggested that the captain would be dropped from the Olimpico clash.

Oddo has made no secret of the fact that he is keen on a move, but the negotiations had stalled after the clubs failed to reach an agreement over the transfer fee.

Biancocelesti chief Claudio Lotito insisted on Thursday that Oddo would not leave, but that may not be in tune with reality.

Not only is Rossi set to ignore the player this weekend, but the capital club’s lawyer is already talking as if a deal has finally been agreed.

“I am sorry that he will leave, but we can’t really place a player under club arrest,” said Gianmichele Gentile.

“I am sure the issue will be solved on Monday, in one way or another. I believe that no one should be penalised by this transfer.

“Oddo has been given an important opportunity from a professional point of view. Lazio gave him a lot, but he has also given a lot to this club.”

According to the latest reports, it seems that Milan will pay £5.7m to Lazio, plus the co-ownership of Pasquale Foggia, who joined Lazio on loan in August.

Looks like he will join us next week. Great news if you ask me :)

kastriot

19-01-2007, 07:28

If we manage to have Ronaldo and Oddo by the end of the week,for the right price... I think it`s ok considering that our management doesn`t want to spend moer than the minimum is needed. I don`t like the fact that we are taking Ronaldo as emergency case,cuz our stikers can`t deliver right now. If we had him from the beginig,He would have been addapted by now and available for CL

kastriot

19-01-2007, 07:38

In any case I think we should keep at least half of the ownership of Foggia,cuz his really good prospect for the future... he was Ascolis best player last season IMO

Egoistka

19-01-2007, 08:15

Gazzetta also says that not only Ronaldo is to join Milan, but also Inzaghi - Cassano swap will take place...Now thats ridiculous...Did anyone read about it?

zlatanov

19-01-2007, 08:44

Gazzetta also says that not only Ronaldo is to join Milan, but also Inzaghi - Cassano swap will take place...Now thats ridiculous...Did anyone read about it?
is this the article you are referring to:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2007/01_Gennaio/19/ronaldo.shtml

what is says is that Calderon has made a proposal for a straight, I guess, swap between cassano and Pippo ... just a proposal, doesn't mean that Milan has to or will accept it since both Cassano and Ronie are cup-tied for Cl and if Pippo were to leave, then we would have only Gila and Oli eligible to play in CL.
So, IMO, it's out of the question that Milan would agree to a swap like that as it would be better for us to just pay 4-5 mil cash for Cassano rather than lose a CL eligible striker, who also happens to be our most experienced and reliable striker in CL.

Warro Bantan

19-01-2007, 09:32

In any case I think we should keep at least half of the ownership of Foggia,cuz his really good prospect for the future... he was Ascolis best player last season IMO I agree, and think that this is what was conceded by us in the deal...Lazio get only half ownership.

I really like what I saw of Foggia this term...he is good on the ball, and confident. I say we take him back after the loan spell....matter of fact, let me call Carlo right now on that note...now where did I put his cell #?.... :diablo:

Egoistka

19-01-2007, 09:50

is this the article you are referring to:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2007/01_Gennaio/19/ronaldo.shtml

what is says is that Calderon has made a proposal for a straight, I guess, swap between cassano and Pippo ... just a proposal, doesn't mean that Milan has to or will accept it since both Cassano and Ronie are cup-tied for Cl and if Pippo were to leave, then we would have only Gila and Oli eligible to play in CL.
So, IMO, it's out of the question that Milan would agree to a swap like that as it would be better for us to just pay 4-5 mil cash for Cassano rather than lose a CL eligible striker, who also happens to be our most experienced and reliable striker in CL.

Hope Milan will not agree for this deal..Although, I would not be surprised if they did..cause our transfer politics recently is not brilliant....

zlatanov

19-01-2007, 10:06

from some rumours circling here and there, it looks like an agreement for Oddo's transfer to Milan has been reached but the official announcement will be on Monday.
Looks like the deal is for 7.5 mil euros + shared ownership of Foggia (some say it could be all of Foggia's right sgoing to Lazio) but the full details will become clear only after the official announcement.
If these rumours are true, I guess it's not such a bad deal after all, especially if get to keep half of Foggia's contract.

As for Foggia himself, I am not sure if the guy could be called a hot prospect since he is already 24 yo and by this age, if a player were to make it really big, it would be happening already. He may have been Ascoli's best player the year before, but still it's not like Ascoli had many great players on their roster so it was much easier for a player like Foggia to stand out from the majority of average teammates he was playing with there.
Even now at Lazio he's not exactly setting the field on fire as he's spending way too much time on the bench and he had to even publically ask for more playing time.
True, he would/should further improve but I doubt Foggia will ever be anything more than a good to pretty good player.
IMO, the best thing about Foggia is that he could become a pretty good player, who is a product of Milan's youth system and soon CL regulations will forse us to have 4 or maybe even 6 such players on the team. In that sense, Foggia would be very useful because he is a good player - hopefully would further improve - and we won't have to fill in the members with totally unproven youngsters. Other than that, however, I don't expect to see Foggia making Milan's first team regulars even if he comes back with us one day.

Dr Milano

19-01-2007, 11:47

icculus

19-01-2007, 12:02

inzaghi for cassano...straight up?
while a deal like that might hurt us for this yrs cl...the future implications might support this trade.
inzaghi is about done...and cassano would give us another..."what if"...senerio.

like ronaldo, cassano has the potential to be a "super" striker...if all the BS around him can be handled.

if we could could sign him to a similar short term contract like ronaldo, and give the two a 2nd chance, we just might end up with one of them being "super"

does the risk = the reward?

in the same vein, i think they avoided teves for the reason of his attitude, why not bring him in as well...
...let the 3 fat heads hang out...maybe require them all to take lessons from maldini on how to act with "class"? :hammer:

rossoneri

19-01-2007, 12:54

meidas says that the ronaldo deal could end tonight when ronaldo will ask real to leave him:D

rossoneri

19-01-2007, 12:55

nice video :D:D

kef

19-01-2007, 13:50

Lotito keeps battling for Oddo. I start hating this guy, but I must admit I also start admiring him. Looks like he really wants to make Lazio great again. What he says is actually true:" He wants someone as an alternative to replace Oddo immedeately, before he lets Oddo leave." (Something we maybe also had better done with Shevchenko.)

Pireloke

19-01-2007, 15:01

Lotito can put up all the show he wants, if he doesn't sell him now, we'll have him for far less this summer, and he knows it. Unfortunately he pulled of the same trick for two years with Apreciado César who was wanted and eventualy sold for much cheaper as initialy bid by Inter. The guy was a complete failure at Inter but then again he almost got no playing time... sometimes Inter forgets they can field only 11 players... anyway we'll see. I don't think Lotito is dumb enough to fall twice in the same stuff

kef

19-01-2007, 15:27

He's contracted until 2008, why should we then get him for less in the summer? I think if he doesn't come now, he will never come.

mrki

19-01-2007, 15:40

Oddo will be finalised on monday. The transfer is done according to Italian media, its 8.5 mil + co-ownership for Foggia. Lazio staff and players already know Oddo is leaving and are wishing him well playing for his home club Milan. I wish him luck also! :)

Juve......got Criscito, a super talented CB, and are up for Barzagli for the defence who will look like this....
Grygera-criscito-barzagli-chiellini...... :(

lked

19-01-2007, 16:01

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jan19l.html

Lazio chief Claudio Lotito insists that Massimo Oddo is not for sale and will fight for a new Federal rule to protect clubs.

The World Cup winning defender is keen on leaving the Biancocelesti and the latest rumours suggested that his move to Milan was close, as Coach Delio Rossi was set to exclude him from Sunday evening’s match against the Rossoneri.

“Someone said that Oddo will not play? That is totally untrue,” said a fuming Lotito on Friday.

“I am the only reliable source when you speak about Lazio, any other person knows nothing.

“The player is not for sale. Furthermore, he is a target for one of our direct competitors, which makes things even worse. Therefore, we have to understand if there are any alternatives and if they could integrate into the team from a tactical, moral and psychological point of view.

“In any case, only the Coach can decide if he will play tomorrow or not.”

The fiery patron believes that the clubs are not protected enough, as he thinks that it is fairly easy for players to leave if they decide not to honour their contracts.

“I plan to fight within the Federation, as I would like a rule stating the value of the deals the players sign. At the time being, it seems to me that they are important only for the clubs.

“If a player decides to leave, he can start to complain and will not give his all on the pitch, making the club feel that it is better to let him leave. Things would change if players were forced to pay a high penalty and not play for one or two seasons.”

Lotito then moved on to comment on the match with Milan, which he is aware will not be an easy one.

“The Rossoneri are a strong side. We have built a good team which we hope will do better than last year, but we still haven’t reaped what we sowed,” concluded the President.

Tony29.

19-01-2007, 16:08

Grygera-criscito-barzagli-chiellini...... :(
What's so impressive about them ????
Zambrotta-Thuram-Cannavaro- xxx , that was impressive. This back 4 you presented is far from last year's defense.

And Criscito was half Juve player anyway. Genoa bought the other half and now they sold it back to Juve !

On Channel4 you can find the latest from Lottito, who's still stuborn and says how Oddo won't leave Lazio !
EDIT : I see lked allready pasted the article ! :)

Warro Bantan

19-01-2007, 16:16

Lotito seems to be grabbing at straws, and becoming increasingly petulant, with the fact that Oddo wants to leave..and is actually close to doing so...

Ultimately, with player power being what it is...he ultimately has no choice but to let the player go...dumb git..

mrki

19-01-2007, 16:42

What's so impressive about them ????
Zambrotta-Thuram-Cannavaro- xxx , that was impressive. This back 4 you presented is far from last year's defense.

And Criscito was half Juve player anyway. Genoa bought the other half and now they sold it back to Juve !

On Channel4 you can find the latest from Lottito, who's still stuborn and says how Oddo won't leave Lazio !
EDIT : I see lked allready pasted the article ! :)

Of course Cannavaro-Thuram, with Zambrotta and Chiellini was better. But Criscito-Barzagli is young and super potential CB pairing. With Chiellini and Grygera also very good players on the flanks. That defence looks very good to me. In the future, Chiellini and Barzagli will be starters in Italian national teamm for sure.

Bosniaco

19-01-2007, 16:45

I think thats a very bad deal 7.5 mil + Foggia, too much for a 30 year old. I would not give up on Foggia because he is going to be a good player. I'm sure we can find a good right back for 7.5 mil

Warro Bantan

19-01-2007, 17:08

Lets see...if we buy Oddo for 7.5M, and give up half of Foggia....I dont see that as being a "bad" deal...but then, I also wouldnt mind Berlu coughing up 70M for Ronaldinho...so..what do I know?

mrki

19-01-2007, 17:11

So we will spend around 12 or so mil on Oddo and Ronaldo ( let's say it's 7+5). It doesnt look as we have spend too much money untill now, and it could be a good sign for the summer... Im glad Oddo is almost ours, he is a good and axperienced player that can play top football for this and next 2 seasons for sure.

rossoneri

19-01-2007, 17:36

any news for ronaldo ?

mrki

20-01-2007, 08:21

Ronaldo is furious as Real doesnt want to release him for free. Galliani says Milan doesnt want to have any negotiations with Madrid and only wants to sign Ronaldo when he is a free player. No Milan players will be a part of any deal ever with Real :)

Egoistka

21-01-2007, 15:28

OK so here are the news from Russia (its official)...Milan suggested a contract to Igor Akinfeev (a goalkeeper from CSKA). CSKA after all can agree to sell him if Igor will want to go, because Milan is prepared to pay a good price for him. The amount is not announced..but I think that it would be really great if we got the best Russian goalkeeper. He is really good, and very young as well. We really need a good first goalkeeper.

mrki

21-01-2007, 18:44

This could be good solution, he is young and a really talented GK. Clearly better than Amelia.

Egoistka

21-01-2007, 19:36

This could be good solution, he is young and a really talented GK. Clearly better than Amelia.

Yes he is great..I mean, I m not a fan of CSKA (honestly saying I hate them)...but I really do like Akinfeev a lot, because he is very talented. This could be a great solution for us.

rt9

21-01-2007, 22:26

What about Buffon, then? I thought they were lining up his move from Juve to us..

ARIO

22-01-2007, 00:57

anyone could tell more about Igor Akinfeev....??
Tks

mrki

22-01-2007, 04:40

Latest before I go to class... Lazio and Milan CANT reach an agreement as Galliani doesnt want to pay as much as Lazio want. Also, Juve is making fun of us saying that they dont see the point of signing 30 year old player who cant play in serie a well.... very true! This really has to stop!

Graeme C

22-01-2007, 05:32

i really hope they just make up the 3 mill difference, we havent got the time to start searching for another free RB.. its a key area need addressing.. Juve are laughing at us because we cant seal key deals..

Tony75

22-01-2007, 06:20

Remove the plank from your own eye before laughing at your neighbours splinter. Hypocrites. Yet they have Boumsong in defence??

King tiger

22-01-2007, 06:28

Akinfeev is a great goalkeeper, every time i watched CSKA he was great, and he is young.

Why are Juve laughing at us ? You see, we play i Serie A, they play in Serie B :D
So, are we going to buy Oddo ?

kastriot

22-01-2007, 06:42

Seriously we can do without oddo this period...ther best thing to do is to wait for the summer and buy Dani Alves than to get oddo now,who can improve our game just a little bit.cuz even cafu with this current form is probably at the same level as oddo is.

Its a shame for us having troubles with the right back position and not to go after Alves who is young and the best RB in thr world...and the thing is that we can afford him..but for some reason we are not interested in him..

Graeme C

22-01-2007, 07:03

To be honest i think we do, if we really want to go for Champ league and Seria A 4th place we need a replacement RB.. Cafu has proved he cant play everygame...

Today rumours are that if we get Ronaldo, Oliviera will go back to Spain...

King tiger

22-01-2007, 07:06

Oliveira wil go back to Spain coz he wants to, or he isnt needed ?

Graeme C

22-01-2007, 07:09

i think atm its only a loan.. I dont know why we got him tho, hes no way been worth the money!

Milan: Ricardo Oliveira va via

09:18 del 22 gennaio

Per fare posto a Ronaldo, il Milan è pronto a valutare le offerte dalla Spagna per il prestito del brasiliano Ricardo Oliveira. Il Villareal è una possibilità, Ancelotti ne ha già parlato con il diretto interessato.

(Tuttosport)

Z. Boban

22-01-2007, 07:55

That's good news , he never was "Milan-material".. Hope we can get a big part of the money back and not some loan-with-an-option-to-buy deal... A panic-transfer is all he was...

Pireloke

22-01-2007, 08:16

Yeah but with Oliveira gone (and I will be the first one to wave him out), Boriello suspended, Gillardino injured who are we going to put as strikers in every match, Pippo and Ronaldo? Or does baldie have another striker up his sleeve no one talked about yet?

Graeme C

22-01-2007, 08:17

there is Auba, and we can just play Pippo upfront on his own! i dont think Gilardino wil be out for long, at least i hope hes not!

mrki

22-01-2007, 08:28

To be objective as I cam I have to say that Oliveira played horrible football for us. He hasnt showed any finishing and his passing was...was there any passing?? Sell him for some money and buy Oddo and some young forward and we are fine.

Graeme C

22-01-2007, 09:02

ive heard another rumour, if Ambrosini is still injured and playing poorly, Massimo Donati could return to Milan..

Chievo's Paolo Sammarco also is owned by us, he is supposed to be promising also..

rosoneri_11

22-01-2007, 09:05

why we dont try to buy tevez?He wants to go from West Ham,he spends horrible time there.Even Sheringham is playing more than him!

Pireloke

22-01-2007, 09:26

why we dont try to buy tevez?He wants to go from West Ham,he spends horrible time there.Even Sheringham is playing more than him!

Tevez (and Masherano) are not owned by West Ham or any club but by an agency called "MSI", it is not selling the players but merely "renting" them to clubs. There is more behind it, but let's say it's not healthy to work with them.

mrki

22-01-2007, 13:07

Maybe we have new transfer strategy: All players that want to join Milan should buy out their contracts and come to Milanello for medical. Of course, they need to be 30 years old and half injured, and even better if they ever played for Internazionale of Milano!That way Berlusconi doesnt need to spend any money and Galliani doesnt have to work hard as he does now...

So just let Moratti buy some good players now, we'll get them eventually...

rosoneri_11

22-01-2007, 13:16

Warro Bantan

22-01-2007, 13:32

why we dont try to buy tevez?He wants to go from West Ham,he spends horrible time there.Even Sheringham is playing more than him!

FIFA rules stipulate that a player cannot be bought or sold more than once per football season...something like July thru to June of the next year...

Liverpool has been asking for special dispensation to sign Mascherano...but I dont know what the outcome will be, though I honestly doubt that FIFA will go back on its own rule...

And for all of those who continue to bemoan our transfer activity(or lack thereof)...why dont you become a player agent, or invest some millions to buy them?

drucurl

22-01-2007, 13:45

And for all of those who continue to bemoan our transfer activity(or lack thereof)...why dont you become a player agent, or invest some millions to buy them?
Warro that is the most ridiculous argument I have heard for a long time!!
By your reasoning, we shouldn't complain when the government messes up on infrastructure...we should just hire engineers and ciontractors and build our own roads. We shouldn't carry back bad food at a restauraunt, we should just cook our own etc etc.
Milan management are supposed to be professionals and deliver a professional...and if to a layman the job they are doing is sub-standard then it must be pretty far from professional atm.
The truth is we bought a striker who has been good in a league with no defence (la liga brasilero) in Olivera.
We threw away a superstar (Crespo) bought a ONE dimensional striker in Gila, and we are expecting him to create his own goals.
We sold perhaps the best striker of the last three years in Sheva and to date have no replacement for him.
We lost Stam- one of the best and strongest defenders and haven't suitably replaced him as yet
We are being cheap to buy the only available superstriker currently available on the market- and even he is a wildcard
We just bought a guy whose own fans are glad to see go (Grimi)
We are having trouble to get Oddo who isn't that great to begin with

If this stuff doesn't bother you that's great...but it does bother many here :wth:

rosoneri_11

22-01-2007, 13:46

And for all of those who continue to bemoan our transfer activity(or lack thereof)...why dont you become a player agent, or invest some millions to buy them?

Yes why not i know some great talents,but it will not work with ancelotti as a coach.We bought the best young french talent Goucuff but he is not playing!
So whats the point!?!

rosoneri_11

22-01-2007, 13:54

Warro Bantan

22-01-2007, 14:36

Warro that is the most ridiculous argument I have heard for a long time!! By your reasoning, we shouldn't complain when the government messes up on infrastructure...we should just hire engineers and contractors and build our own roads. We shouldn't carry back bad food at a restauraunt, we should just cook our own etc etc.

Not at all drucurl...you are taking my reasoning, and running with it...big time.

Its like this: I come to this thread (more often than not because I got an email telling me about a new post) and find more of the same: We didnt buy so and so...we let so and so go...we should buy player x, we must sell player y, and get player z...and fine, this is a forum, but the unfortunate thing is that these posts are always accompanied by: Milan management sucks...Galliani is an idiot....Berlu isnt interested anymore...yadda yadda yadda :5horse:

The crying, moaning and weeping wont make Berlu et al change their strategy....they wont care what you all are sobbing about...they have their plan, and they are sticking to it....so what will all this angst deliver? Nada. Nothing. They have their vision, and we could complain till the cows come home, it wont change.

Further, I find it rather disingenious of you to compare us, fans, with the tax-paying public...or am I mistaken and you are a season ticket holder (the closest we can become to being tax-payers)?

The fact that we own a few replica jerseys, or even go to a match ever so often, doesnt mean squat to the men spending the millions...so we have very little, or no voice. Milan is not a democracy...we cant vote Berlu out like Calderon or Bush. It doesnt work this way...sheesh!! :rollani:

The reasons for our inactivity in this summers mercato are numerous, and have been mentioned here ad infinitum, so I wont bother even sumarizing them...we all know what they were. Forget them if u like, ignore them if u wish, but they had a big part, might I say the ultimate role in the determination of our aquisition strategy.

Milan also isnt going to spend over the barrel on any players...simple..Abramovitch has helped make the transfer market into an artificial aspect of what it truly is, and so player values have been overinflated for some time...

Its important, despite Berlu´s billions, to balance our books (and not via the Inter method), so the club can continue to function...so when we dont buy players, or we dont get the ones we prefer...sit down, and hug it up...or come here, and make post after post, saying the same thing, time and again...or go do something about it...like my initial recommendation.

Milan management are supposed to be professionals and deliver a professional (job)...and if to a layman the job they are doing is sub-standard then it must be pretty far from professional atm.
The truth is we bought a striker who has been good in a league with no defence (la liga brasilero) in Olivera.

Wont argue with you too much on this one, as Management do make mistakes, but let me ask you this: after he scored on his debut...were you this critical? Or did you, like most of us, hope it would continue? That his sister was been kidnapped shortly thereafter means nothing right? He should just continue on, like nothing has happened? Eh? Oh! Thought so.

We threw away a superstar (Crespo) bought a ONE dimensional striker in Gila, and we are expecting him to create his own goals.
We sold perhaps the best striker of the last three years in Sheva and to date have no replacement for him. Replacing Sheva doesnt come just like that...We gave Crespo back to Chelsea, as they would have wanted for him to be a "make weight" in the Sheva deal...and Crespo for Sheva and some money may not have been the best option for us...

We lost Stam- one of the best and strongest defenders and haven't suitably replaced him as yet Did you watch Bonera vs Lazio? You couldnt have...he was our best player by far on the pitch..making Maldini look "normal" with his timely tackles, and interceptions...Stam who?

We are being cheap to buy the only available superstriker currently available on the market- and even he is a wildcard There must be another drucurl on this site...this couldnt be the same poster I read a few days ago in this very thread re Ronaldo...:rollani:...plus, who knows what il phenomeno will do when he turns out in a red and black kit...could be another Rivaldo...or it could be another Crespo...who knows? I dont, and neither do you....So welcome Ronaldo if you do come, and good luck!

Importantly, you mentioned, in my mind, the ultimate determining factor: "Availability"...who is available, and proven to be world class, in the striking department at the moment? Name 3 players, their clubs, and their price tags please, if u dont mind. :wallbang:

We just bought a guy whose own fans are glad to see go (Grimi) Yup, and these fans, are all experts right? He is how young? 21? Does he have time to improve with all the great teachers he will have, from Cafu to Maldini? Ahh...yeah...hasnt played one real game for us yet, but: waste of a HUGE investment...stupid Milan management!!

We are having trouble to get Oddo who isn't that great to begin with Lets see...1. Oddo is Italian (important since all the Non-EU places are taken), 2. is on the national team...which implies he is one of the best in his position in Italy...3. captain of Lazio (another team with no-body, no talent, and that just held us to a draw)..nahh...he is worthless...another example of Milan´s stingyness and carelessness.

If this stuff doesn't bother you that's great...but it does bother many here :wth: I cannot say that I am not bothered by our inactivity, and/or our targets...but as I have said before...I will make mention of it, but not ad infinitum like many here do...how many times can you sit (or stand) and type the same thing, without feeling a little crazy?

Do you know what one of the definitions of insanity is: Doing something over and over, the same way, and expecting a different outcome, when there is only one possible outcome...now if this doesnt sound like some posters here...then I will change my name to Fantan. :p1511:

I for one, wont spend my time berating the management of the club that I chose to support...I wont spend my time bemoaning the fact that we didnt buy so and so, or that we did buy so and so...I may write once or twice about it, but not 50 times in a month...or a day, depending on the poster.

Tony29.

22-01-2007, 14:47

Warro :

:clap: :clap: :clap: :5ok:

Jim_UK

22-01-2007, 14:53

FIFA rules stipulate that a player cannot be bought or sold more than once per football season...something like July thru to June of the next year...

Liverpool has been asking for special dispensation to sign Mascherano...but I dont know what the outcome will be, though I honestly doubt that FIFA will go back on its own rule...

The thing with Mascherano is that he's played very little since joining West Ham, far less than Tevez. One newspaper said he'd only played 6 minutes for the Hammers so far! I'm pretty sure that is completely false, but say a figure like that was true or a figure that was less than 90 minutes, when you look at it and say he's played less than 1 game of football in half a season you can see why Liverpool (or indeed any other club who would come in for him) would ask for Mascherano's case to be reviewed.

I think in such extreme circumstances where a player has played so little in such a long space of time and when injuries have not been a factor of forcing him out the side, then that player should be allowed to move a third time if he and his club so wishes.

drucurl

22-01-2007, 15:20

You mean Fantan as in Fantan Mojah? LMAO!!! :cheers:
OK I'm sorry to do this cause you seem like a pretty nice guy...but I have to cut up your argument (calls for the knife):

The crying, moaning and weeping wont make Berlu et al change their strategy....they wont care what you all are sobbing about...they have their plan, and they are sticking to it....so what will all this angst deliver? Nada. Nothing. They have their vision, and we could complain till the cows come home, it wont change

As you rightly said this is a forum so the moaners have the right to moan as much as they want. Additionally, the fact that you have decided not to moan about our recent poor decisions would have even less effect...in the unlikley event that anyone from milan's management even gets a glimpse of this site, they are quicker to be moved from the passion of the fans than their apathy

The fact that we own a few replica jerseys, or even go to a match ever so often, doesnt mean squat to the men spending the millions...so we have very little, or no voice. Milan is not a democracy...we cant vote Berlu out like Calderon or Bush. It doesnt work this way...sheesh!! :rollani:

The reasons for our inactivity in this summers mercato are numerous, and have been mentioned here ad infinitum, so I wont bother even sumarizing them...we all know what they were. Forget them if u like, ignore them if u wish, but they had a big part, might I say the ultimate role in the determination of our aquisition strategy

Wrong again Mr Fantan :grinser: Every club has obstacles in their transfer strategy...."ad infinitum" as it were...and yet Real has managed to purchase most of the bright footballing prospects. Juve seems to have healthy links with the rest. Are we in a worse position than Juve? ManU was purchased this year by a tycoon who was heavily in debt at the time. ManU have still manages to buy the esentials to their squad and are still chasing other top rated players...so what exactly is your point?

Milan also isnt going to spend over the barrel on any players...simple..Abramovitch has helped make the transfer market into an artificial aspect of what it truly is, and so player values have been overinflated for some time...

Its important, despite Berlu´s billions, to balance our books (and not via the Inter method), so the club can continue to function...so when we dont buy players, or we dont get the ones we prefer...sit down, and hug it up...or come here, and make post after post, saying the same thing, time and again...or go do something about it...like my initial recommendation

Doesn't it seem to you that Berlu's books are being balanced a bit too heavily in his direction? :55angel: Point taken about Abramovic's -ve influence on the transfer market...however Wenger has been buying shrewdly (read "cheaply") for years...with phenomenal results.....what about the other clubs who supposedly overspend like Inter and Real?? To date I haven't heard Moratti or any Real official declare bankruptcy.... and if Berlu's books are so well balanced, don't you think its time to show some ca$h??

Wont argue with you too much on this one, as Management do make mistakes, but let me ask you this: after he scored on his debut...were you this critical? Or did you, like most of us, hope it would continue? That his sister was been kidnapped shortly thereafter means nothing right? He should just continue on, like nothing has happened? Eh? Oh! Thought so.

Replacing Sheva doesnt come just like that...We gave Crespo back to Chelsea, as they would have wanted for him to be a "make weight" in the Sheva deal...and Crespo for Sheva and some money may not have been the best option for us

Actually you are wrong about that one. Chelsea would have sold had we negotiated better, but at the end of it all we told Crespo no because we thought Gila was the 2nd comming of Maradonna :wallbang: . As for Olivera scoring on his debut, I can't picture any milan fan not wanting their players to do well...How does that relate to their actual performances and abilities?? If you had seen Olivera play prior to this you would have known that he would struggle across here because he simply isn't given the space he's accustommed to. And since our scouts didn't take the time to properly assess him, we are reaping the rewards for our shoddy preparation

Did you watch Bonera vs Lazio? You couldnt have...he was our best player by far on the pitch..making Maldini look "normal" with his timely tackles, and interceptions...Stam who?

There must be another drucurl on this site...this couldnt be the same poster I read a few days ago in this very thread re Ronaldo...:rollani:...plus, who knows what il phenomeno will do when he turns out in a red and black kit...could be another Rivaldo...or it could be another Crespo...who knows? I dont, and neither do you....So welcome Ronaldo if you do come, and good luck
Comparing Bonera to Stam makes me doubt your credibility..I am quite sure that Peter Crouch Played MANY matches better than Pele'. Could Crouchinho hold a candle to the maestro?? HELL NO!! Bonera is slow, unlike Stam. Bonera also is reluctant unlike Stam who, right or wrong was always decisive. Also Bomera totally sucks monkeyballs on the wings, while Stam was a fairly decent RB .
As for ronaldo...he IS a wildcard.....I am backing him up 100%...but the facts are that of late he IS injury prone, and SerieA defenders go to town on all attackers. his talent is not in doubt..its his survival time in Iyaly that concerns me. Many times even recently I have seen defenders aim for specific locations on his foot..to injure. So whether he is strong enough to continue remains to be seen

Importantly, you mentioned, in my mind, the ultimate determining factor: "Availability"...who is available, and proven to be world class, in the striking department at the moment? Name 3 players, their clubs, and their price tags please, if u dont mind. :wallbang:

Yup, and these fans, are all experts right? He is how young? 21? Does he have time to improve with all the great teachers he will have, from Cafu to Maldini? Ahh...yeah...hasnt played one real game for us yet, but: waste of a HUGE investment...stupid Milan management

Other than Pato- Internacional ($10-20M), Nilmar-Lyon (~$15M), Klasnic-Werder Bremen (~$15M), Klose (same as Klasnic) Ronaldo-Real Madrid ($10M)
no one really comes to mind atm :D

Lets see...1. Oddo is Italian (important since all the Non-EU places are taken), 2. is on the national team...which implies he is one of the best in his position in Italy...3. captain of Lazio (another team with no-body, no talent, and that just held us to a draw)..nahh...he is worthless...another example of Milan´s stingyness and carelessness.

I cannot say that I am not bothered by our inactivity, and/or our targets...but as I have said before...I will make mention of it, but not ad infinitum like many here do...how many times can you sit (or stand) and type the same thing, without feeling a little crazy?

As long as they screw up fans are going to complain....don't wives/ gf's bother us about the same things every day? OK that's a bad example...they are crazy :hug2: :D ..But my point is when situations don't change, expect people to complain about them all the time until they are resolved or irrelevant

NAMMY

22-01-2007, 15:49

Gah ... so much text! Nice disscussions though guys.

Graeme C

22-01-2007, 17:05

To be honest i see Bonera as more of a replacement to Billy or Simic.. He isnt a great RB.. but is improving steadly as a CB..

Graeme C

22-01-2007, 17:17

Well with Real demanding a fee for Ronaldo, and Milan not going the extra yard and paying 3 mill euros extra for Oddo.. i cant see us making anymore signings this window...

ZvonimirVukic

22-01-2007, 17:21

No One Player Will Join Milan!!! Because Our President Is To Carefull With Money...so It Leaves Us...inzaghi In Atack And Costacurta In Defence...
Good Joob Galiani&berlusconi

Tony29.

22-01-2007, 17:47

"Good Joob" Galiani&berlusconi

Guys, i just figured it out that if there wasn't for Silvio Berlusconi, most probably none of you would have been Milan fans, and there's a good chance many of you would have been Inter or Juve fans.

So, get off his back and be grateful he exists
:D

drucurl

22-01-2007, 23:15

Guys, i just figured it out that if there wasn't for Silvio Berlusconi, most probably none of you would have been Milan fans, and there's a good chance many of you would have been Inter or Juve fans.

So, get off his back and be grateful he exists
:D
Spoken like a true Juve fan :noevil2:
Milan is bigger than even Berlusconni. The legends of MVB, Rivera, Nordhal Gunnar etc must be honoured and maintained by ensuring Milan stands head and shoulders above the rest.

I have NEVER criticised Berlusconni because I knew his political career for the most part has his hands tied. the others though I am having a problem with. They are entrusted with more than a club or a buisness. They are entrusted with a philosophy a legacy and a legend. :cheers:

but I will give you this that its because of Berlusconni that I personally am a Milan fan because I was originally a Sheva fanboy! ;)

ZvonimirVukic

23-01-2007, 05:26

Guys, i just figured it out that if there wasn't for Silvio Berlusconi, most probably none of you would have been Milan fans, and there's a good chance many of you would have been Inter or Juve fans.

So, get off his back and be grateful he exists
:D

Yeah you are right Tony29...but now he is here and he is our president so...it is obvious that we are judging him...Real Inter Man Utd...they all have good young perspectiv players...and he buy what?
Oddo?
He is not a class RB like Caffu...and if he want to win something...we have to spend a little...not like this.We have a great chance to sign Ronaldo, who needs a little motivation to be great striker again, and our menagment say that they are not giving even a single euro to Real Madrid for Ronaldo?!?!?!
What are they thinking? This isnt some supermarket...take something and if you dont like it turn it back?
I hope that we will sign RONALDO because he will help us alot.
Oh...btw we singed Oddo today

mrki

23-01-2007, 07:28

Oddo is not as good as Cafu was at his best, but he is way better than this years Cafu or lasr years Cafu.... All the moves in Lazio came from Oddo, his crosses are very good, he is experienced in serie a, and can play good defence also. Lets hope he will not get injued and that he will repay this money back. Now we finnaly have a RB that can play 10 game sin a row without getting injued. Cafu can play now and then this season and then he is free to return to Brazil. His time is over.

Oddo-Nesta/Bonera-Kaladze/Maldini-Jankulovski

We are now just fine for this season....

Warro Bantan

23-01-2007, 10:23

Spoken like a true Juve fan :noevil2:
Milan is bigger than even Berlusconni. The legends of MVB, Rivera, Nordhal Gunnar etc must be honoured and maintained by ensuring Milan stands head and shoulders above the rest.

I have NEVER criticised Berlusconni because I knew his political career for the most part has his hands tied. the others though I am having a problem with. They are entrusted with more than a club or a buisness. They are entrusted with a philosophy a legacy and a legend. :cheers:

but I will give you this that its because of Berlusconni that I personally am a Milan fan because I was originally a Sheva fanboy! ;)

Just to let you know drucurl, that without Berlu, MVB would never have played for us. Never. It was through Berlu´s personal intervention that the Dutchman arrived in Milan.

I wont bother to go back over the argument we are having, but suffice it to say that I disagree with most, if not all your points...but work becons, and without work, no food etc....so u win. :D

I remain surprised however, that you continue to find fault with our transfer season, or inactivity as it were, knowing what you do of the summers events, likewise, and I daresay not knowing who Berlu et al were trying to aquire...of those u mentioned...Klose is Juve bound, the other German...did he get called up for the WCup? The others are untested in Europe, so again, your argument, IMO is lacking.

Without sure knowledge of who we tried, and who we didnt try for, it is quite astonishing that a man of your supposed intellect, would continue down this road.

Also, your response to Tony is also a bit weird, as you unintentionaly barrack Berlu, then admit that you are a fan of Milan because of the very man you are complaining about..because, like it or not...no one, and I mean no one is bought by Milan without Berlu´s express consent. That much I do know.

Suffice it to say, that as far as I am concerned, we (by that I mean Milan management) are doing what they consider to be the best for the club...you might not agree, but its a bit careless to make judgement when one is ignorant of the bigger picture, as well as the fine details of our aqusition process... :pr78:

Tony29.

23-01-2007, 11:43

Spoken like a true Juve fan :noevil2:
Milan is bigger than even Berlusconni. The legends of MVB, Rivera, Nordhal Gunnar etc must be honoured and maintained by ensuring Milan stands head and shoulders above the rest.

The legends of Gre-no-li trio and Rivera would have been just a nice memory of the good ( very) old times. If there wasn't for Berlu then most probably Rivera to Milan fans would have been what Shilton, Anderson, Robertson, McGovern, Lloyd are to Nottingham Forest fans - the last great thing that happened to the club.

Berlusconi in 1986 has done what Abramovich did with Chelsea. If Berlu had the chance, he would have bought Juve or Inter. But he couldn't do so , so he bought an average and cheap team, that spent 2 years ( from last 6) in serie B, a team that won only one scudetto in last 18 years before he bought them. Milan had 9 Scudetto's at the time. The same as ...Genoa. If he bought Genoa instead of Milan then the chances for Genoa winning the CL 4 times since 1989 and Milan being a serie B club at the moment are pretty big, don't you think?

1986 - 7th place
1985 - 5th place
1984 - 8th place
1983 - serie B
1982 - 14th place
1981 - serie B
1980 - 3rd place
1979 - 1st place
1978 - 5th place
1977 - 10th place
1976 - 3rd place
1975 - 5th place
1974 - 7th place
1973 - 2nd place
1972 - 3rd place
1971 - 2nd place
1970 - 4th place
1969 - 3rd place

He created the big Milan. Inter and Juve were bigger names, better teams before Berlu . And today Milan is much bigger name in Italy and Europe than Inter...not to mention Genoa who was on par with you before Berlusconi came.
He was doing exactly the same thing Abramovich is doing now. He bought an average club bought maybe 15-20 world class players, outpaying for most of them ( Lentini's world record purchase) and Berlu and only Berlu is responsibile for Van Basten, Gullit, Rikaard, Ancelotti, Donadoni, Savicevic, Boban, Shevchenko, Weah, Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso being part of Milan and winning so much.

I know this is all hypotetical, but if he bought Genoa and not Milan, i really believe Milan would have now been an average Italian team, visiting serie B now and then !

So, yes, you're right that he's not bigger than Milan. He's not bigger than Milan before 1986, and he's not bigger than Milan after 1986, but he's equal to Milan after 1986. Because he is Milan of 1986-2007 !

zlatanov

23-01-2007, 11:57

a team that won only one scudetto in last 18 years before he bought them.
fcs, Tony, does that mean Silvio is about to buy Inter :5hoest: :p157: :diablo:

Great points Tony, although it kind of saddens me that Milan fans need a Juve fan to remind them where Milan was before Silvio and where Milan would have been without him at the helm.

Warro Bantan

23-01-2007, 11:59

Thanks Tony....thanks very much. Maybe some of the dissenters, complainers, and otherwise dissatisfied supporters will put that in their pipes and smoke it.

That Berlu hasnt splashed the cash since...what..Gila´s purchase..doesnt mean that his reserves have dried up...doesnt mean he cares little for his investment, it means that he is being more prudent with his spending...

And if you still have a bee in your bonnet after all this, then feel free to start a internet petition to have Berlu sell the club (as some of you have suggested) to a wealthy Arab, or Russian oligarch....or accept our transfer and team situation as they are, with far fewer complaints...or simply find another club (Chelsea or Inter anyone?) to support....or last but not least...there is FIFA 07 (manager mode), and that other Management game for the PC....create your own Milan why dont you?

ZvonimirVukic

23-01-2007, 13:56

Yes...ok you are right about that but tell me this...is berlu creating a champions team or averige team?because all i can see Milan is interested in 3 players Oddo,Ronaldo and Pato, while Juve is interested in Gerrard,Mascherano,and 5-6 other players, and Inter is interested in Riquelme,Lampard,Messi...???
I think it is time for berlu to spend money on big transfers or else...we will be building a new team in the next 5-6 yrs.and till than we will be average team, and it is a question if we can mesure with Juve and Inter even then.
Thats my opinion...maybe i`am wrong but i dont think so

King tiger

23-01-2007, 14:01

I can bet tah Juve and Inter will not buy those players.

Dr Milano

23-01-2007, 14:15

I can bet tah Juve and Inter will not buy those players.
thiers always a chance matey ... :sweeteye:

King tiger

23-01-2007, 14:26

But what if we buy Ronaldinho :D

Kaku

23-01-2007, 14:43

And if you still have a bee in your bonnet after all this, then feel free to start a internet petition to have Berlu sell the club (as some of you have suggested) to a wealthy Arab, or Russian oligarch....or accept our transfer and team situation as they are, with far fewer complaints...or simply find another club (Chelsea or Inter anyone?) to support....or last but not least...there is FIFA 07 (manager mode), and that other Management game for the PC....create your own Milan why dont you?

Football Manager \o/ (I guess)..I bought Quaresma and Nani on the game :delol: 4-5-1 works with them :gonova:

But back to Real Life: Are we signing or not Ronaldo? And while I was watching Lazio - Milan a Brazilian narrator said that the negotiations with Pato were going well and Milan were on the verge to sign the youngster (who imo is definitely a good prospect, from the little I've seen him like his debut for Internacional, the games on the World Club Championship and Brazil u20)..is this true at all?

nefremo

23-01-2007, 16:55

ZvonimirVukic

23-01-2007, 18:06

Zvonimir...just because they are interested in those players it doesn't mean they have more hopes and will be better.
Being interested in a player doesn't mean anything. Empoli can be interested in famous players as well.......so does that mean that they have bigger hopes for the future? No!

If you look at it that way Milan is interested in 'Dinho and we were interested in Eto'o this summer together with Henry. Did we sign any of them? No. So it is not who you are interested in but who you actually get. Milan always gets strong players and great champions. This past year was different but there were a lot of reasons for that!

You are right nefremo...but WE DIDNT....WE..not Inter not Juve...we didnt get the players that we where interested.Remmeber...inter bought Vieira...Maxwell...Maicon...Ibra...Crespo...Grosso...what else do they need for this season?I dont think they need something more...

nefremo

23-01-2007, 22:34

You are right. Inter did buy all those players and for the FIRST time in a LONG time the excessive change of personnel worked out for them. Actually it worked out because of the failure of the others (Milan, Juve) and not exactly because of their brilliancy on the market.

drucurl

24-01-2007, 04:29

Warro and Tony....you guys are completely misinterpreting my comments and are unfairly employing emotional rhetoric to get the masses to support you :kap:
as I repeat...I never criticized Berlu...that's insane i agree. However am critical of or recent transfer decisions and as an red blooded fan I am entitled to do so.

Is it fair to criticize a loving and devoted father who for years nurtured and supported you, but because now he picked up a hot new gf has run off with her leaving you and mom to fight it out on your own?? He may have been the best father ever, but this most recent action changes things drastically I'm sure you'll agree.

This is not to cast aspersions on Berlu's charrracter...it merely t illustrate the point that regardless of the phenomenal contributions he has made to the legend of Milan, he is human and fallible like all of us and either he or his subordinates are prone to error.

As to his influence over our recent transfers...I'd say they were only on a superficial level, as Berlu has bigger fish to fry....like Proddi . I'm not sure he is the brains behind our transfer decisions amymore, esp if comparison with the calibre of previous transfers are anything to go by.

Tony 29....I find it insulting that you are equating berlu's greatness with Milan the club. If you deny it I will quote your post :mad:

Finally to Warro, I am quite sure that we intended to make super transfers this season which may not have materialized. However as Katie Holmes told a young Bruce Wayne....its what you do that defines who you are

mrki

24-01-2007, 06:10

All ofthese discussions somehow go to some personal level, and that is not the gold in here.

People, go to youtube and search for sudamerican U-20 championship, and find Brazil games. There are only highlights, but from what I've seen in there from Pato....WOW! This guy is 17 years old, and heads, shoots the free kicks, dribbles, shoots from outside....all of it. Brilliant. I know its just highlights and I cant see his movement or passing rate, but the touch is definitly there. He scored a super backheel goal like Del Piero in CL final against Borussia D. if you remember...

This is a player for the future, not Ronaldo.

El Fre

24-01-2007, 06:54

This is a player for the future, not Ronaldo.

maybe, and maybe not...

every season we see 20 new "maradonas" from south america and only one or two really makes it big, the rest of them just remain "talents for the future"

you really want to give 25 mills for a non-EU "maybe" player?

mrki

24-01-2007, 07:01

Well that is why we have top class scouts to scout him during the year and decide where he is or he is not potential Shevchenko. I only said I like what I've seen untill now.

Tony29.

24-01-2007, 07:33

zlatanov

24-01-2007, 07:46

Well that is why we have top class scouts to scout him during the year and decide where he is or he is not potential Shevchenko. I only said I like what I've seen untill now.

and Milan have obviously liked what they saw too and that's why they made that offer but right now Internacional are trying to take full advantage of the moment and asking for simply insane sums of 20-25 mil euros for a player who is yet to consisitently prove himself over time.

I have also watched the highlights, in fact I watched a couple of those games in question and have to say that he is indeed one of the most intriguing prospects out there but even then there is only so much you could ask for a player with his very limited experience and Internacional aren't doing that at least for now.

We'll see what happens in the end but one thing's sure - Milan are interested in him and will hardly just leave at that. Either way, however, Pato at 17 yo is a solution for the future, while Milan needs one for the present and that's why they are after Ronaldo.

mrki

24-01-2007, 07:50

I do agree. A question Zlatanov - where did you watch the games?? Im trying to find some live matches fom that tournament! Its always interesting to see young players from Brazil playing.

zlatanov

24-01-2007, 07:54

Nothing happened with " No contacts with Real" statements.
Looks like it has to be done between Milan and Real, and not Ronaldo-Real.
Galliani is negotiating the Ronaldo deal with Baldini !
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jan24f.html
well, real are refusing to rescind his contract and let him go for free, which is understandable cause that would make them look like total idiots given that 3-4 months ago Milan were offering close to 15 mil euros for him and they made everything possible to stall/ruin the deal by asking for 20+ mil for the player.

So, at this point Milan would have to talk to them and make an offer. real are reportedly asking for 8 mil, so I would guess Milan would get him for 4-6 mil or so with possibly Milan paying half of that and Ronie the other half by relinquishing part of his image rights for this year to Madrid, or at least that's what was mentioned as a possibility at the beginning of these dealings.

zlatanov

24-01-2007, 07:57

I do agree. A question Zlatanov - where did you watch the games?? Im trying to find some live matches fom that tournament! Its always interesting to see young players from Brazil playing.
you can find schedule and links for streams on the very same website that gives us links for Milan games:
http://myp2p.eu/Weekdays.htm

Actually, if you scroll down you will see that there is another round of sub20 championship games coming on Thursday. The links are mostly for TvAnts but there are also some WindowsMediaPlayer streams for which you don't need any of the P2P clients like PPStream, Tvants, etc.

you can use this site - www.myp2p.eu - for virtually anything when it comes to streams. IMO, it's the best site of its kind out there.

King tiger

24-01-2007, 08:10

GALLIANI COMMENTS ON RONALDO
1/24/2007

Milan chief executive Adriano Galliani said: ‘Ronaldo said that he only wants Milan and he had Real Madrid’s permission. So there shouldn’t be any problems with the Spanish club. If things proceed as they should, then I will go to Madrid on Monday. The tone of Real Madrid’s sports director regarding the meeting seems conciliatory, but I don’t want to be overly optimistic. We are still in discussions and we’ll see how it turns out in the end.’ (Ansa)

GALLIANI COMMENTS ON RONALDO
1/24/2007

Milan chief executive Adriano Galliani said: ‘Ronaldo said that he only wants Milan and he had Real Madrid’s permission. So there shouldn’t be any problems with the Spanish club. If things proceed as they should, then I will go to Madrid on Monday. The tone of Real Madrid’s sports director regarding the meeting seems conciliatory, but I don’t want to be overly optimistic. We are still in discussions and we’ll see how it turns out in the end.’ (Ansa)

from acmilan.com

kef

24-01-2007, 08:21

Italian giants monitor Caceres

from channel 4:

Milan and Juventus are set to do battle on the transfer market for Uruguayan defender Martin Caceres.

The Defensor Montevideo youngster is currently being watched by scouts of both Italian outfits at the Under-20 South American Championships in Paraguay.

The 19-year-old is seen by some as the new Paolo Montero, a former Bianconeri stopper, and his agent is ex-Juventus player Daniel Fonseca.

Fonseca has also allegedly spoken to Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti even if Arsenal are reportedly ready to offer £5m to bring him to the Emirates Stadium.

Milan and Juve are also interested in Uruguayan striker Edison Cavani, who is considered by some as the new Zlatan Ibrahimovic and might be included in a deal with his fellow countryman.

The 19-year-old, who impressed in the Apertura tournament by scoring 13 goals and leading Danubio Montevideo to victory, has admitted that he is flattered with the Milan and Juve links.

The striker, who will soon have an EU passport, is valued at £5m and reports suggest that £8.5m would be enough to net both Cavani and Caceres.

Juve are seemingly keen on blocking the duo now, in order to finalise a transfer in June, whereas the Rossoneri might decide to make an immediate offer to bring Cavani to the San Siro this month.

More good news. Looks like two talented players. Maybe Storari, Grimi, Oddo (and Ronaldo) aren't the only players that will have joined us in January.

Tony75

24-01-2007, 08:27

I think after Oddo, we'll sign no more this window, and Galliani will lie and say eveything is fine.

kris

24-01-2007, 08:34

1. Additionally, the fact that you have decided not to moan about our recent poor decisions would have even less effect...in the unlikley event that anyone from milan's management even gets a glimpse of this site, they are quicker to be moved from the passion of the fans than their apathy

2. Juve seems to have healthy links with the rest. Are we in a worse position than Juve?

3. ManU was purchased this year by a tycoon who was heavily in debt at the time. ManU have still manages to buy the esentials to their squad and are still chasing other top rated players...so what exactly is your point?

4. Doesn't it seem to you that Berlu's books are being balanced a bit too heavily in his direction?

1. Moaning never gets attention from grownups. In the not so likely scenario that someone important would look here they would look at a well thought out post about what is good and bad and why we would really need something.

2. We are linked with Ronaldinho, they most recently with Gerrard. Neither will happen, but our link is more likely still. In the end they have only signed free transfers.

3. ManU didn't succed in getting their top targets and they failed many times before. The fact that Chelsea is there to stop them don't exactly help.

4. He have not balanced the books in his direction in the last 10 years at least, it is doubtful he have ever done that. In fact he have just pumped in money year after year.

kris

24-01-2007, 08:35

I think after Oddo, we'll sign no more this window, and Galliani will lie and say eveything is fine.

You don't think Ronaldo will come?

Tony75

24-01-2007, 09:46

You don't think Ronaldo will come?
Not in the timeframe we have, not with the club we are dealing with, and not with the money they want.

In all likely, he'll be signed in the summer for free, when a future player like Pato will be missed out on as usual. :rollani:

GilAttack [11]

24-01-2007, 10:22

Not in the timeframe we have, not with the club we are dealing with, and not with the money they want.

In all likely, he'll be signed in the summer for free, when a future player like Pato will be missed out on as usual. :rollani:

But Ronaldo will sell 10 more jerseys than Pato, dont be so negative!!

Tony29.

24-01-2007, 13:33

Galliani 'Ieri avevamo preso Mesto'

18:58 del 24 gennaio

Viste le difficoltà di giungere a un accordo con la Lazio per il trasferimento in rossonero di Massimo Oddo, il Milan si era cautelato bloccando il difensore della Reggina Giandomenico Mesto, ma poi l'affare e' andato in porto. Lo ha rivelato l'amministratore delegato del Milan, Adriano Galliani: "Ieri avevamo gia' preso Mesto perche' l'affare Oddo sembrava saltato. Poi non l'abbiamo piu' preso, perche' siamo arrivati all'accordo per Oddo", ha dichiarato il dirigente rossonero.

I'm not sure if i understood correctly...

Looks like due to the difficulties you had bying Oddo, yesterday you almost bought Mesto from Reggina. But now that transfer is blocked.

zlatanov

24-01-2007, 13:47

yeah, that's what it says on Gazzetta too - It seams Milan had already blocked Mesto as an alternative to Oddo and were about to go ahead and finilize the deal with Reggina when Lazio and Milan finally reached an agreement.

Acmir^

24-01-2007, 13:48

Tony29.

24-01-2007, 14:33

and as i see Lazio gave Foggia to Reggina i don't know if it's a loan or they bought him but the guy couldn't get a starting place play in Lazio and you were disappointed for selling him, i think that was the best solution cause he would've rot on our bench and he never suited our formation also
Lazio wants to buy Mesto from Reggina and i guess they sent Foggia there as part of the deal.

It's all connected i guess.
Lazio is interested in Giandomenico Mesto for a while. Milan almost buying Mesto is probably the biggest reason for Lazio finally deciding to sell Oddo.
It's like a chain
Milan-Lazio-Reggina : Foggia-Oddo-Mesto

EDIT : Btw... hats off for Galliani for great tactic with Mesto :pr115:

hitmannq8

24-01-2007, 14:39

rahul.acm

24-01-2007, 14:40

Good thinking Tony but anyway we ended up paying more as Berlusconi filled the gap himself.

mrki

24-01-2007, 14:57

As with Gilardino, Galliani didnt do his job and Berlusconi needed to pay some of his money. Im actualy scared that Mesto was our solution in case we dont have Oddo! MESTO??? Come on Galliani!!??

The way Galliani-Braida work is not adequate for Milan, we need to change things in the summer...

zlatanov

24-01-2007, 15:08

Tony: Galiiani did nothing with Mesto to convince Lazio. Lazio accepted only because Milan uppered their bid to what Lazio wanted. Lazio never lowered their demands for 1 dollar. Berlusconi intervened and gave the additional money Milan needed to meet Lazio's demand. This is FAR from great tactic, this is incredibly embarassing by Milan. We decided to go to a totally unproven player just because we dont want to add 1.5million pounds? WHAT THE HELL?????
Lazio were asking for 9 mil + Foggia, while Milan were offering 6 mil + Foggia, hence the dif or 3 mil that became almost synonimous with the name "oddo".

In the end, both parties made a step forward to reach an agreement that would benefit them both as it's hardly in Lazio's interest to keep a disgruntled Oddo only to find themsleves forced to sell him in the summer for half the amount they could get now from Milan.

As for Silvio "helping out" with some money, well, when was the last time Galliani didn't hail his boss/patron for anything good, whatever it is, that happens at Milan?

Tony75

25-01-2007, 09:31

']But Ronaldo will sell 10 more jerseys than Pato, dont be so negative!!

I'd prefer a winning Milan than a Milan who sells jersey because of a player.

sheva-gila

25-01-2007, 15:43

I sow on goal.com that we are in talks for Oli about his eventual move to CSKA do anyone knows somethin about this ?

zlatanov

25-01-2007, 15:51

I sow on goal.com that we are in talks for Oli about his eventual move to CSKA do anyone knows somethin about this ?
read about that too but I think Galliani and Ancelotti have denied that Oli would move from Milan as they still believe in him and also Ronaldo is cup-ties so the only forwards we have for CL games are Oli, Gila, and Pippo ... if we lt Oli go, then we'd have only two forwards left and that's not good for us at all.

cdawg786

25-01-2007, 23:51

Maybe oli is going to leave in the summer? Something to think about.

In any case, Milan transfer policy really needs to change, we have to stop going after has beens and get more players that are proven performers, i dont even want big names, just get me someone who will play a solid 90 minutes and get us some wins.

Egoistka

26-01-2007, 13:06

anyone could tell more about Igor Akinfeev....??
Tks

Here is an opinion about Akinfeev from: http://footballcommentator.blogspot.com/ posted by Rui Rocha at 5/04/2006:

"Igor Akinfeev
Igor Akinfeev is one of the most promising goalkeepers in the World. He is now 20 years-old and is CSKA Moscow's main keeper since 2003. Remember CSKA reached the UEFA Cup final in the last season... I don't think there's anyone as good as him if comparing goalkeepers his age. Maybe Roma's Gianluca Curci could be comparable... But Igor's potential his higher. Nigmatullin and Ovchinnikov are exponents of an older generation, and they simply can't stop Akinfeev's potential. He's commanded the Russian net since age 19. I don't think there are any particularities Akinfeev needs to work on. He'll for sure be on the same level of Buffon or Cech in the near future. I cannot assure it, but I strongly believe Akinfeev will someday be the best goalkeeper of the World."

No news on AC Milan and Akinfeev for now...But there are many articles in the internet saying that Arsenal and MU want to sign Akinfeev too. Some articles on Russian websites mention that all 3 teams (including Milan) suggest 15 million for him. But CSKA says that they ll start negotiations only if someone suggests 20 million or more.

hitmannq8

26-01-2007, 13:13

If I were you guys I wouldn't be hoping for him to come, because all I saw was that Mlian were linked with him along with 3 or 4 teams in one article. I would rather try for Buffon.

Egoistka

26-01-2007, 13:26

If I were you guys I wouldn't be hoping for him to come, because all I saw was that Mlian were linked with him along with 3 or 4 teams in one article. I would rather try for Buffon.

Milan was not just linked...It was said on Russian TV about Milan suggesting good money and good deal for Akinfeev, then already I found info about Arsenal and MU.
I would not hope to get Buffon, because next year Juve will be back to Serie A..what is the point for him to move from Juve to Milan if the hardest time will be almost over. Then, Buffon would not be cheap even if agrees to leave Juve. Akinfeev in this respect is better, because he is much younger and has all his future ahead of him....

Jim_UK

28-01-2007, 07:25

The English press is all over a possible move for Frank Lampard. Apparently he can buy himself out of his contract for £8 million (13 million euros i think) which has alerted us, though i'm sure clubs like Barcelona and Inter will also be on the prowl. We appear to be the front runners though only through the fact that Braida seems to be the only one quoted on the subject, in which he describes the prospect of Lampard moving for such a small sum as "very interesting".

Lampard would slot into Seedorf's role without much fuss at all really, giving us a bit of extra bite in midfield and probably more goals from midfield. Could we see a front 6 of

Gattuso --- Pirlo --- Lampard
-----------Kaka------------
----------------Ronaldinho--
--------Ronaldo-------------

for next season? Hmmmmm ... :D

ACMILAN1983

28-01-2007, 08:02

I'm not particularly keen on Lampard, I think he's way overrated and would be disappointed to see him at Milan.

Arildonardo

28-01-2007, 08:42

I'm not too keen on him either, as I'm not that fond of english football-players at all.

But Lamps is a good midfielder and he scores goals. We don't have too many goalscoring midfielders.

I wonder if it's true though, that Braida and Milan didn't know about the rules that could make Lampard available for a cut-price fee. Seems strange! :rolleyes:

Here is the rule, according to Sky Sports:
"Fifa regulations state that any player who has served three years of a contract signed when under the age of 28 can buy themselves out of their existing deal, at 15 days notice at the end of the season."

zlatanov

28-01-2007, 08:47

I'm not particularly keen on Lampard, I think he's way overrated and would be disappointed to see him at Milan.
I would feel the same way if it were for something like 30-40 mil but for the amount Jaime mentioned, I don't think there is much at stake and we might just give it a try ... of course, getting Lampard from under Chelski's nose for so little moneys would be like an added bonus :)
The thing I like about him is that he can play in Pirlo's role, in Seedorf's role and even be a Kaka reliever at times ... I do have reservations, however, as to how well he would adjust himself to life and playing style in Italy and Serie A but at such a small amount, provided that it can indeed be done, I wouldn't be too worried about a possible failure.
My personal favourite still remains Lucho Gonzalez, though. ;)

zlatanov

28-01-2007, 08:55

I wonder if it's true though, that Braida and Milan didn't know about the rules that could make Lampard available for a cut-price fee. Seems strange! :rolleyes:

Here is the rule, according to Sky Sports:
"Fifa regulations state that any player who has served three years of a contract signed when under the age of 28 can buy themselves out of their existing deal, at 15 days notice at the end of the season."
I doubt that our management were in the dark regarding this rule because it's one of the best ways to get good players for very little money ... something we've been doing A LOT OF during the past 4-5 years ;)

this rule has been around for some time, I believe, but it's not used very often because 1) clubs extend the contracts of their star player and once the contract is extended, you have to count another 3 years from that day before the rule becomes applicable again and 2) big clubs prefer not mess around with each other's star players because this will have a negative effect on the relations between these clubs in the future.

Also, Lampard just became 28 i.e. elligible for contract termination according to the rule in question and we could only move for him at the end of the current season.

Stezagud

28-01-2007, 14:09

he would be well worth having for £8m but i doubt he would come to Milan, his wife is from Barcelona and if he were to move abroad it is more likely they would end up going back there.

cdawg786

28-01-2007, 19:23

Lampard is way overrated, we'd be better of spending our money elsewhere....

nefremo

28-01-2007, 23:37

Let him go to Barca, and then maybe they won't need Xavi anymore. :sagrin: That's one player I wouldn't mind seeing in Milan as he seems to be unsettled in Barca lately.

As for Lampard....I think he is a great player................but for the Premiership. He is suited..... to that fast paced, non-tactical, run-around like a headless chicken, always go forward even if there's a wall in front of you, ball is better in the air then on the ground...........etc..........game. He does a magnificent job for Chelsea and I would be very surprized if he left them. If eventually Abramovitch decides to change things up, then it is going to be either another English team or Barcelona to get him. I don't think anyone else will move in for him.

mrki

29-01-2007, 06:04

For such a low cost it would be stupid not to go for him. Lampard is perfect ( alongside Gerrard) replacement for Seedorf. He can defend, shoot, croos and cover up space. It not like his price is 35 mil, its 13!
Aldough I dont believe we will go for him, Im all up for this transfer.

drucurl

29-01-2007, 08:55

I heard that Olivera is perhaps going to Real Madrid...hope Galliani asks for the first option on Robinho LMAO!

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 09:07

I heard that Olivera is perhaps going to Real Madrid...hope Galliani asks for the first option on Robinho LMAO!
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jan29h.html

Looks like he may be included in Ronnie deal.

King tiger

29-01-2007, 09:10

IMO not going to happen, if we sell Oliveira we will have only Gila and Pippo for CL, our management isnt that stupid ( i hope)

zlatanov

29-01-2007, 09:14

a move like that would have made sense if it was made at the beginning of the transfer period so Milan could have time to sign another striker, who would be eligible for CL ... now, 1-2 days before the end of the transfer window, I doubt we'd let RO go on loan to Madrid as this leaves us with only Pippo and Gila for CL games and Aubumeyang would hardly be seen as a suitable replacement given his limited experience even in friendlies with the senior team let alone CL games.
Or who knows, maybe Galliani has been working out a deal for some other striker to replace RO ...

mrki

29-01-2007, 09:26

Maybe Pato :)

Berlusconi has once again promised he will do everything he can to bring Ronaldinho to San Siro ( not to Meazza :) )! And when he does everything he can, that things just happen his way.

Egoistka

29-01-2007, 09:27

I wonder, is it becoming a tradition that we buy Lazio's captains? First Nesta, now Oddo...Lazio grows good players and cant keep them. It is very bad for them actually.

eltomas2

29-01-2007, 09:53

...now real are "supposedly" offering Cassano in exchange for Oliveira, on loan...Cassano is cup tied too so I don't think this would be a good deal, besides Ancelotti doesn't want him...also I guess Berlusconi said in a beneficial dinner that he also (besides R9) wants ronaldinho...that would be crazy if Milan actually lands Ronaldinho

Berlusconi:
Il presidente del Milan, Silvio Berlusconi ha dichiarato durante la cena di beneficenza a Como organizzata dalla 'Fondazione Mantovani' per il compleanno della madre: "Ronaldo ha rifiutato i soldi degli Emirati Arabi e degli Stati Uniti. Mi ha detto che ha sempre sognato il Milan e che vuole venire da noi per dimostrare a tutti che e' sempre un campione. Eppoi Dida, Cafu' e Kaka' mi hanno garantito sulla sua professionalita'". Ieri, uscendo dallo stadio, Berlusconi ha promesso ai tifosi: "E adesso lavoriamo per prendere anche Ronaldinho".

Graeme C

29-01-2007, 10:43

What ive heard is that Real want to trade Cassano and Ronaldo for Oliveira.. Other news ive heard today is that we are after Tiago.. im not sure if he is a january or summer transfer

hitmannq8

29-01-2007, 13:26

http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=32063

Galliani says: "I've already discussed with Berlusconi about our next transfer in June, but I wont tell you the name"

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Now that quote should keep you all going for a good 2 months speculating who that may be..

zlatanov

29-01-2007, 13:30

http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=32063
.....................

Now that quote should keep you all going for a good 2 months speculating who that may be..
I think it's pretty obvious ... and I don't think they are talking about Lampard ;)

hitmannq8

29-01-2007, 13:34

I dont think its Ronaldinho.. Whoever it is I just hope its a world-class midfielder capable of getting into the starting 11 straight away. I also hope our management sign a world-class striker in the summer because what we have right now is supposed to be a temporary solution, lets not forget that. Ofcourse if Ronaldo performs up to standards, in that case we wont need to reinforce our striker section.

mrki

29-01-2007, 13:35

No, its not Lampard....hahahaha! My Juventino friends will go crazy when Brazilian attack starts for Milan next season.... hopefully( have to say this). Maybe we could create super Brazil-Italy team.

Now to reality...step by step. I would change Oli for Cassano ANY TIME, but we have only Pippo and Gila then for CL so...not this time dough. Some reports say we are interested in Tiago for summer, not a bad reserve player if you ask me. Better CM than Ambro or Brocchi.

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 13:37

My Juventino friends will go crazy when Brazilian attack starts for Milan next season.... hopefully( have to say this). Maybe we could create super Brazil-Italy team.
.
You forgot one thing.
Milan will be a "Brazilian" team , Juve will be a "French" team .....and .....

Remind me who is winning whenever Brazil plays against France ;)

:D

zlatanov

29-01-2007, 13:40

You forgot one thing.
Milan will be a "Brazilian" team , Juve will be a "French" team .....and .....

Remind me who is winning whenever Brazil plays against France ;)

:D
well, unlike Juve, we are also an Italian team with Gila, Pippo, Pirlo, Gattuso, Oddo and Nesta in the ranks ... I am sure you already know where I am getting at :tong:

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 13:42

well, unlike Juve, we are also an Italian team with Gila, Pippo, Pirlo, Gattuso, Oddo and Nesta in the ranks ... I am sure you already know where I am getting at :tong:
Yes, i am, but i don't get it why do you say unlike Juve ?????

hitmannq8

29-01-2007, 13:44

I hope Milan doesnt sign too many Brazilians though, we still need the Italian core. I'd love to have Cassano here for Oliveira but that wont happen for sure seeing as he was available for free and we didnt want him. I also would love to see Gigi in place of Dida, and using Dida's Non-EU spot for another player. Cafu should retire this season, or go back to Brazil. Serginho, I have no clue whats going on.

Signing Pato (or even Anderson from Porto) would be the icing on the cake. I'd say he'd probably be a better deal than Ronaldinho. Another reason why Milan are trying hard to get Ronaldinho, is probably to satisfy Kaka and convince him to stay. Or maybe like a reward for staying when times were low. Ahhh beats me, whatever happens, FORZA MILAN :)

Gooner1886

29-01-2007, 13:51

You forgot one thing.
Milan will be a "Brazilian" team , Juve will be a "French" team .....and .....

Remind me who is winning whenever Brazil plays against France ;)

:D

Lol, i disagree we all know the french only love playing for... :rolleyes:

zlatanov

29-01-2007, 14:03

Yes, i am, but i don't get it why do you say unlike Juve ?????
because they sold out their World champions and currently their most important players don't involve many Italians either not to mention that Buffon seems to be seriously thinking of leaving too ... and with Deschamp as head coach, their new signigs so far are foreigners too - Grygera, Salihamidzic, etc.

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 14:05

Lol, i disagree we all know the french only love playing for... :rolleyes:
I wouldn't say they wanna play for Arsenal only :)

Zidane, Deschamps,Blanchard, Henry, Trezeguet,Zebina, Thuram, Vieira, Kapo, Boumsong .... they all played for Juve sometime in last 7-8 years.
Our coach is also French and he's interested in some 200 hundred French players :) . And our general manager is French.
And if that's not enough, Torino is only some 50 minutes drive from French border . Try to beat that :) :D

zlatanov

29-01-2007, 14:09

I wouldn't say they wanna play for Arsenal only :)

Zidane, Deschamps,Blanchard, Henry, Trezeguet,Zebina, Thuram, Vieira, Kapo, Boumsong .... they all played for Juve sometime in last 7-8 years.
Our coach is also French and he's interested in some 200 hundred French players :) . And our general manager is French.
And if that's not enough, Torino is only some 50 minutes drive from French border . Try to beat that :) :D
well, I guess you answered your own question ... hence "unlike Juve" :neww: :D

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 14:14

because they sold out their World champions and currently their most important players don't involve many Italians either not to mention that Buffon seems to be seriously thinking of leaving too ... and with Deschamp as head coach, their new signigs so far are foreigners too - Grygera, Salihamidzic, etc.
Buffon is here atm so don't use him in your arguments :hammer:
We sold only 2 of our World Champions and we'll most probably buy some other world champions, like Barzagli, as their replacements.
We still have 3 world champions ( Buffon, Del Piero, Camoranesi) and most of our starters this season are Italians ( the trio from above + Zanetti, Chiellini and Paro).

To sum up :
1. Juve had 5 players playing for Italy in the WC final match - more than any other club.
2. Juve is the only Italian team that gave at least one player whenever Italy played at the World Cups
3. Juve is leading the standings in Most World Cup champions of all time, with 24 players, 22 of them being Italian.

So, Juve's more Italian then the others ! :)
But we're French also.
I'm confused now :sagrin:

zlatanov

29-01-2007, 14:23

Buffon is here atm so don't use him in your arguments :hammer:

not for long though ... the guys is a rossonero at heart ... it's just that he doesn't know it yet ... just like some other people around :grinser:

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 14:34

not for long though ... the guys is a rossonero at heart ... it's just that he doesn't know it yet ... just like some other people around :grinser:
Joke aside ( although this belongs in Dinho's thread) , if Milan gets Dinho i really think Berlu will sacrifice the "Gigi to Milan" transfer.
The possibility of buying them both still remains, but chances for that to happen are much smaller than those of buying Buffon only.
Still lot of holes will be left in defence, and if Berlu spends 100 M on Dinho+Buffon ( which is the minimum, imo, especially if someone else is after Dinho and Buffon and makes their price higher) then you'll have the old defence again, only a year older.

That's why i prefer Ronaldinho to Milan than Ronaldinho to Inter :)
It's just my opinion, but i don't think Berlusconi will do alla Roman Abramovich and spend 100 M in one transfer season.

Oh, and Gigi leaving is certanly not a done deal. Now Del Piero and Nedved both say how Buffon will stay at Juve next season and how Trez is the only one doubtful ;)
Nothing's certain until Buffon says smthg like that himself, but it's a good sign for Juve fans nevertheless !

mrki

29-01-2007, 14:49

Let Gigi stay in Juve, Dida or Akinfeev are super keepers. Aldough I would like Buffon, I would prefer Ronaldinho and a very,very good keeper. Our defence needs 1 more class player, and we need someone in the middle, and maybe a keeper. So if we spend our money on Dinho, and get someone like Akinfeev or new contract to Dida ( aldough I thing this will not happen ), we are more than fine.
Aldough.....:).......im sure we will try for Gigi at some point. Berlu is mad, we all know it.

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 15:04

im sure we will try for Gigi at some point. Berlu is mad, we all know it.
He's not proving how "mad" he is lately if you think better about it.
Yes, he was known as someone who gets what he wants. He wasn't asking about the price but he was giving the money, buying the best, making world record purchases....but i think all those things were happening in late80's till mid 90's and Baggio's transfer to Milan.
After that i really can't remember some mad world record transfer. Milan was good in buying talented young players like Sheva, Kaka, Pirlo, Gourcuff but in last 10-11 years Berlu didn't do something that became his trade mark - buying the best and most expensive players in the world.
Rivaldo did came to Milan at the time when he was concidered one of the best in the world, but Milan bought him for free ( or small money because his contract was expiring).

Real, Inter and Chelsea were doing all the crazy transfers, not Berlusconi.

We all know Berlu was capable of splashing a lot, but he didn't do so in last decade. What makes you think he'll make a sudden change and start splashing again ???
( Especially if we know how many titles the teams who were buying like crazy won )

Acmir^

29-01-2007, 15:16

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 15:26

Ronaldo-Milan, Galliani: 'Oggi non si chiude. Ci vediamo domani a mezzogiorno. Lo scambio Cassano-Oliveira non ci interessa'

20:45 del 29 gennaio

Ronaldo

20.45 Adriano Galliani ha parlato a Sky Sport al termine dell'incontro con la dirigenza madridista per l'affare Ronaldo: "Oggi non si chiude nulla - ha dichiarato il vicepresidente rossonero -. Abbiamo un nuovo appuntamento per domani a mezzogiorno. Lo scambio Cassano-Oliveira? Non ci interessa, già c'è Ronaldo che non può giocare in Champions. E di Kakà non abbiamo proprio parlato".

so nothing for today they actually wanted to swap Oli for Cassano what is wrong with Real?
Negotiations continue tomorrow as i understood, but if someone translated it would be much better :u125:
You've translated most of it.
He said the transfer won't happen today and how Milan isn't interested in Oli-Cassano swap because you'll already be getting a cup-tied player with Ronaldo.
They didn't talk about Kaka on their meeting !
( actually i didn't understand the Kaka part . He either said what i told you above or he said how Kaka will certanly leave Milan. I must improve my Italian )

:u31:

zlatanov

29-01-2007, 15:32

your Italian is just fine, Tony ... you should trust your first instincts more :)
the Kaka part says: "We haven't really talked about Kaka" - this is how Galliani answered a question by the journalists whether there are any chances of Kaka, or rather an option on Kaka, being the subject of any negotiation as well.

Jim_UK

29-01-2007, 15:33

( actually i didn't understand the Kaka part . He either said what i told you above or he said how Kaka will certanly leave Milan I must improve my Italian )

:u31:

WHAT!!!!!! I hope this is your italian being wrong :eek:

Acmir^

29-01-2007, 15:34

thanks Tony, about Kaka i think it says that they haven't talked about him which is good.
So the negotiations continue tomorrow from 12:00 CET i feared they would do such a thing this kind of stuff only Real can do i hope tomorrow everything will be cleared out and Ronaldo will be officially presented

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 15:37

WHAT!!!!!! I hope this is your italian being wrong :eek:
Lol, i'm sorry for this !
My Italian is fine, but i had to use my chance of scaring the hell out of some Milan fan and deserve my place in paradise !

I never thought someone will "buy" what i said.

Won't happen again :)

Jim_UK

29-01-2007, 15:46

Lol, i'm sorry for this !
My Italian is fine, but i had to use my chance of scaring the hell out of some Milan fan and deserve my place in paradise !

I never thought someone will "buy" what i said.

Won't happen again :)

hahaha ... you cheeky zebra sucker .... :sagrin:

You got me good there :delol:

Warro Bantan

29-01-2007, 15:48

Good one Tony...u have reserved your spot in the firmament of great Juve fans! (even though you really are a Milanista at heart) :D

zlatanov

29-01-2007, 15:50

Lol, i'm sorry for this !
My Italian is fine, but i had to use my chance of scaring the hell out of some Milan fan and deserve my place in paradise !

... and that would be the one next to Moggi's ... I am guessing here :D :ilol:

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 16:04

... and that would be the one next to Moggi's ... I am guessing here :D :ilol:
Ahhh, a place next to God himself.
Thanx Jim for making it all happen :D

zlatanov

29-01-2007, 16:15

see, Jaime, it's all because of you :D

But remember, Tony, good things bring along bad ones - with Moggi next to you, I doubt any betting agency would agree to take your bets :guw:

Tony29.

29-01-2007, 16:21

see, Jaime, it's all because of you :D

But remember, Tony, good things bring along bad ones - with Moggi next to you, I doubt any betting agency would agree to take your bets :guw:
Good one :haha:

And something even better : On goal.com there is an article where Moggi's saying how he was thinking of commiting a suicide during Calciopoli :rotfl: :rotfl:
( Does this means he can't go to paradise, or just thinking about suicide isn't a sin ? ) :)

Pireloke

29-01-2007, 18:31

I see the hand of Moratti behind the suddenly hard negotiations on the done deal with Ronaldo and Real Madrid. I bet he took his Telecom Italia certified cellphone (anti-taping guaranteed) and phoned Caldéron : "Make the Milan-Ronaldo deal stall or I won't buy Cassano, got it?"

martin

30-01-2007, 00:58

mrki

30-01-2007, 06:04

Moratti is scared as he knows that Milanello is probably ithe only place in the world, along with Juve camp, that can bring back the best out of Ronaldo....

King tiger

30-01-2007, 06:08

So i guess the meeting started...

Hope we sign Ronaldo.

mrki

30-01-2007, 06:50

Gazzetta: For Ronaldo Real wants oliveira, Milan says YES. Milan also for Bojinov... SUPER! 3 players aligible for CL, and Ronaldo!

zlatanov

30-01-2007, 06:50

It seems now that Milan has accepted to give Oliveira to Real - not sure if the sale would be final or if it's just a queston of loaning him for the rest of this season - and Braida has returned to Milan to find a substitute eligible to play in CL, the names of Bonazzolli (Samp), Bojinov (Fiorentina/Juve) and Caracciolo (Palermo) have been mentioned ... although I hope we go for Di Natale (Udinese).

this is on Gazzetta and calciomercato.com

King tiger

30-01-2007, 06:56

But whats with Cassano ?
P.S:i dont like this...

zlatanov

30-01-2007, 07:10

Cassano is cup-tied, with Oliveira gone we'd need a striker who can play in CL, so that eliminates Cassano as an option ... plus, Milan don't seem to be particularly keen on getting the troublemaker anyway.

Stitch

30-01-2007, 07:12

wait, what do we get for oli?? nothing? is it a straight swap for ronaldo? i thought we would buy ronnie & swap oli for assano.

King tiger

30-01-2007, 07:14

i thought we would buy ronnie & swap oli for assano.
so did I .

Well i hope we get Bojinov.