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Mystik
10-02-2007, 08:03
Corriere dello Sport/Stadio
Juve open the gates
Napoli-Piacenza, top of the table clash in the desert
Malouda wants Milan

Not anything much...just a headline saying Malouda wants Milan. Anything more concrete ? http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/paperssay.html

rosoneri_11
10-02-2007, 12:43
For me i would like this..........
GK:Buffon or Akinfeev
DC:Albiol
DR:Alves or Rafinha
ML:Malouda
AM-Striker:Ronaldinho or Diego or Anderson (from Porto)

Milan_Mad
10-02-2007, 13:32
Would love to snap Klose of Juve

nefremo
10-02-2007, 13:40
Well it is still very earily to think about what the team will look like for next season and who we will sign in the summer simply because a lot of stuff can happen i the next couple of months. For example: is Serginho staying? Is Dida staying? Is Cafu going to leave us? Is Maldini going to carry on and what type of condition is he going to be in.....what kind of minutes can we expect from him which could answer if we are going to sign a defender or not.

As of right now though, this is what I want to see.


GK: Dida, Storari, Kalac

DF: Oddo, Simic, Bonera, Nesta, Barzagli*, Kaladze, Maldini, Janku, Serginho

MF: Gourcuff, Gattuso, Pirlo, Kaka, Brocchi, Seedorf, Maresca*, Anderson* (Ronaldinho is a dream but if we can't get him then I think Anderson will be great as well)

FW: Gilardino, Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Oliveira (If Ronaldinho or Anderson come then I would expect one to leave and play the xmass tree. If needed we can always work on our youngster later on and pull one in the side whenever needed. ex.Aubameyang.)


-That gives us a total of 3 signings. Barzagli is expected to leave Palermo and wouldn't cost us more then 15 mil I think.
-Maresca performs great in Sevilla but doesn't start as often as last year and there were reports that he might be leaving. We will get a great CM that can be a quality squad player. I would offload Ambrosini to fund Maresca's arrival because I simply don't see what Ambrosini offers to this team anymore.
-Ronaldinho is the only big money transfer and if it happens great. If not I would love to see Anderson from Porto arrive. What a talent this guy has and his skill lever is very very close to 'Dinho's but the big plus is that he is only 18. :eek:

Jim_UK
10-02-2007, 14:58
Malouda would be an interesting addition to say the least, a possible alternative to Ronaldinho perhaps?

Unless there are actual definate quotes from the player himself saying he wants to join us then i guess this just paper talk, lets not forget he's not the first player from Lyon who's said they've wanted to join us and nothing materialised. Cris, Revelliere & Diarra all spring to mind.

ACMILAN1983
10-02-2007, 15:07
Malouda is more than welcome to me. Ironically he's a left sided midfielder with good attacking play and pace which was something I have said I'd like in Kris' future planning thread.

Additionally, he's an upcoming talent, one which has been pushing hard for a regular spot in the French national side.

Finally, he's French, which is something I'm definately up for, as if I remember correctly, one of are most promising youngsters is also French and would probably be more than happy to see a familiar/friendly face ;)

Jim_UK
10-02-2007, 15:16
Malouda is more than welcome to me. Ironically he's a left sided midfielder with good attacking play and pace which was something I have said I'd like in Kris' future planning thread.


As a left winger it's kind of obvious he has those qualities dev :guw:

ACMILAN1983
10-02-2007, 15:44
As a left winger it's kind of obvious he has those qualities dev :guw:

lol, I guess I was stating the obvious. Just to clarify in case anyone thinks I'm saying it's ironic for him to have these qualities, I meant it's ironic that he "wants Milan" when he's exactly what I'd said I wanted in Milan :nervous:

Jim_UK
10-02-2007, 15:55
Dev, can you also mention that we need new players for other positons? Then in a few days maybe it'll come true just like this!

'Buffon, Ronaldinho, Essien, Zambrotta, Alves, Terry, Villa: We all want Milan!!!!' :delol:

Mystik
10-02-2007, 19:22
http://sports.alice.it/it/cmc/calcio/20076/cmc_106398.html

There's some "confirmation" of the rumour. Still no quotes though.

mrki
10-02-2007, 21:01
So our master plan is becoming obvious...... :)
...........pirlo..........
..gattuso..maluda.....
.....kaka....ronaldinho.....
..........ronaldo......
...



nice plan..... :v408:

Conviction
10-02-2007, 22:26
I would like Milan to play Ambrosini more..this guy is a dude.

Buffon + Storari would be the best solution to the goalie problems.

Bring in anyone who plays in the style like Sheva or Seedorf, this would be key to feeding Milan's strikers (Ronaldingo?)

Cannavaro!! - basta fare il avventuroso e vieni a giocare con noi.
He would be excellent , if we get Buffon. ( anyone remember world cup 2006?)

kastriot
11-02-2007, 02:57
So our master plan is becoming obvious...... :)
...........pirlo..........
..gattuso..maluda.....
.....kaka....ronaldinho.....
..........ronaldo......
...



nice plan..... :v408:

It looks really nice but i don`t see Carlo putting Kaka,Roni and Maluda all together, If we get Ronie than I`m sure Carlo will go after a type of player like Essien or Diarra..or someone else similar to them.to play alongside Rinho and Pirlo. Or he can still play Ambro in that position and Gorky. But I don`t see Maluda playing in that position.

kastriot
11-02-2007, 03:04
Guys never forget that Maluda is gonna cost us a lot..remember Essien and Diarra.. Lyon is not selling players under 30 mil $,Maluda is their best player. And don`t forget that chelsea showed interest for him to.. They will raise the price up to the sky...
And if we do get Ronie this year I doubt we could cope with the price that Lyon will ask for Maluda. :d55:

Stezagud
11-02-2007, 08:33
Mikel Arteta :cool:

He is a very underrated player at Everton, a midfield allrounder who can make and score goals as well as defend when needed. he'd probably be cheap too and would be very useful for the squad.

Maevious
11-02-2007, 08:44
Id rather have Ribery than Malouda. What is more, Lyon players are always overrated.

Xudong
11-02-2007, 10:35
Malouda is fine, if he comes at a reasonable price. otherwise, I would stick with Janku, who isn't much better but definitely fine offensively. I would rather use that crazy money on Buffon. :D

Xudong
11-02-2007, 10:41
from Milan official site:

OFFICIAL A.C. MILAN ANNOUNCEMENT
2/11/2007
A.C. Milan announce that they have prolonged Marek Jankulovski's contract until June 30, 2011.

:)

Maltese Charlie
11-02-2007, 11:09
from Milan official site:

OFFICIAL A.C. MILAN ANNOUNCEMENT
2/11/2007
A.C. Milan announce that they have prolonged Marek Jankulovski's contract until June 30, 2011.

:)

Yes, even Gattuso prolonged his contract till 2011, and both players scored today :sagrin:

kastriot
11-02-2007, 11:43
Good new on both Janku and Rinho... We need some changes but we need to keep most of the players for the upcoming season...not to become like Inter.. different starting eleven every season!!! :grinser:

Xudong
11-02-2007, 12:04
Yes, even Gattuso prolonged his contract till 2011, and both players scored today :sagrin:

:sagrin: :sagrin:

rosoneri_11
11-02-2007, 13:23
Id rather have Ribery than Malouda. What is more, Lyon players are always overrated.

Ribery is great,but in our system we had as MR Gattuso,DMC Pirlo and we need a seedorf replacement.Malouda plays as a ML and Ribery i think plays only as RM.
Anyway i like too very much Swheisteiger!He can play everywhere in midfield!

Jim_UK
11-02-2007, 15:18
Schweinsteiger is another interesting proposition as i genuinely think we would have a decent chance of landing him.

Tony29.
11-02-2007, 18:31
Swheisteiger!
:D

+ REP points !
You deserved them.

Tony29.
11-02-2007, 18:40
Schweinsteiger is another interesting proposition as i genuinely think we would have a decent chance of landing him.
It's really strange how well German players did in serie A, and how Spanish players couldn't shine as they did in La Liga.
I really don't know the reason for that, and i'd appreciate if someone shares his opinion regarding how come the Germans almost always make an immediate impact in Italy.
Matthaus, Brehme and Klinsmann even managed to outshine the Milan dutch trio in 1-2 seasons and they were the ones who brought the last scudetto to Inter in 1989. Reuter also did great for Inter in late80's and early 90's.
Kohler and Moller are allready concidered Juve legends although they didn't win anything apart from UEFA Cup with Juve and they were in Juve for 3 years only.
Bierhoff was Udinese's best player and was one of the best in Milan's 1999 scudetto.

The only 2 germans who didn't make it in Italy and were stars in Germany were Jancker ( who's carierre was allready in decline when he came to Italy) and Thomas Hassler who was a real genious but had Roberto Baggio holding his place in Juve and didn't want to be a sub !

rt9
11-02-2007, 19:56
The other strange thing is that for some reason, very few German players are now playing in Italy. It seems like the top German players all get snapped up by Bayern Munich and remain there for most of their careers. Also strange is the fact that very few Germans are even linked to top Italian clubs. For instance, if Milan needed to get a new midfielder, we hear about names like Malouda, but why dont we hear anything about us being linked to Schweinsteiger?

rt9
11-02-2007, 20:04
GK: Buffon, Storari
LB: Janku, I think we need another quality LB---dont think Sergio is going to be injury-free
RB: Oddo, a young, pacy right back Ilsinho? would be good
CB: With Bonera proving his worth, I think we're quite well covered
RM: Gattuso, Brocchi
LM: Gourcuff, Seedorf
CM: Pirlo, we're still looking for his "substitute", it's now been 3 or 4 seasons and we havent found him. It would be good to get a solid midfielder who can replace Pirlo when he needs to be rested
AM: Kaka, Gourcuff
FW: Gila, RO, Ronaldo, would be good to get another young striker in. IMO, Inzaghi is now getting close to retirement age.

Tony75
12-02-2007, 02:18
CM: Pirlo, we're still looking for his "substitute", it's now been 3 or 4 seasons and we havent found him. It would be good to get a solid midfielder who can replace Pirlo when he needs to be rested

We've had replacements for Pirlo, but the club keep getting rid of them - Rui could play that role, Dhorasoo, and also Vogel too. It's Ancelotti who is to blame for failing to implement a different tactic so these players could play. If it was me, Milan would have at least 3 systems of play depending on opposition. At the moment we barely have 1.

Kaka1899
12-02-2007, 07:17
has anybody mentioned that we should Sign Pato in the summer really do we need Boriello?

Tony75
12-02-2007, 08:34
has anybody mentioned that we should Sign Pato in the summer really do we need Boriello?
Pato IMO is not a definete requirement, but for his age and potential he'll add to squad he'd be great. Borreillo is gone after his drug episode IMO.

Kaka1899
12-02-2007, 08:44
so that would meen that where down to 4 strikers again like we are at the moment Gila,Oli,pippo,Ronaldo with Boriello gone we would be in the same tangle i think it would be wise to sign Pato in the summer imstead of waiting and having to compete against the other clubs such as Chelski,Barca,Real,Lyon that would work our more efficient and cheaper imo :sun:

Stezagud
12-02-2007, 09:40
Pirlo, we're still looking for his "substitute", it's now been 3 or 4 seasons and we havent found him. It would be good to get a solid midfielder who can replace Pirlo when he needs to be rested

like i said, Mikel Arteta :D

Giovanni
12-02-2007, 09:57
I'd like to sign Saviola: cheap and a great striker. We'd need a quick and technical player like him.

Buffon for the defence : he is more crucial than two top defenders.

Barzagli shouldn't be missed : there are few great young defenders around and they rightly cost a few moneys. Barzagli is italian and still used to italian tactics.

Vadim
12-02-2007, 10:34
I'd love to see Quaresma from Porto. He's got unbelievable technique, and he's only 23. He was very impressive in the game againsy Brazil last Wednesday. I remember Rui Costa recommending saying he will be a great player.

rosoneri_11
12-02-2007, 11:10
like i said, Mikel Arteta :D

How about Lucho Gonzalez from Porto?

rosoneri_11
12-02-2007, 11:13
I'd love to see Quaresma from Porto. He's got unbelievable technique, and he's only 23. He was very impressive in the game againsy Brazil last Wednesday. I remember Rui Costa recommending saying he will be a great player.

Yes he is fantastic player.I love to watch him playing football.He is the style of Cristiano Ronaldo,he do great things on the field like Cristiano.

Graeme C
12-02-2007, 11:17
im kinda hoping for a clear out, and this is what im hoping we are left with before the summer..

GK: Storari
LB: Janku
RB: Oddo
CB: Simic, Bonera, Nesta, Kaladze, Maldini,
RM: Gattuso, Brocchi
LM: Gourcuff, Seedorf
CM: Pirlo,
AM: Kaka
FW: Gila, Ronaldo..

This is what i hope we will add for next season, although this starts to move into fantasy lol.. i think we dont need Ronaldinho.. we could make some good signings for his price..

GK: Buffon
LB: Zambrotta / Pasquale
RB: Alves
CB: Barzagli, Mexes (kaladze + $$)
LM: Maresca
CM: pirlo sub?
AM: backup for kaka..
FW: Torres/ Eto.. Rossi/ Huntelaar

Tony29.
12-02-2007, 11:33
GK: Buffon
LB: Zambrotta / Pasquale
RB: Alves
CB: Barzagli, Mexes (kaladze + $$)
LM: Maresca
CM: pirlo sub?
AM: backup for kaka..
FW: Torres/ Eto.. Rossi/ Huntelaar
As you say, this is more of a fantasy, but even if Milan signs all these players ( 8 players at least from your list) , 6 of them should be starters i guess.
No matter how good the players you sign are, if you add 6 new players in your starting 11, you'll most probably fail during the season.
That's exactly what Milan's neighbours were doing every single year. They used to sign 4-5-6 very good players, it was impossibile for them to get used to eachother, and until they finally did, they saw Juve and Milan 15 points above them.

If this is Milan's starting line-up ( Dida ; Oddo, Nesta, Kaladze, Jankulovski;Gattuso, Pirlo, Kaka, Seedorf; Gila, Ronaldo) then i believe all Milan needs is someone to take Seedorf's place, someone to take Kaladze's place ( or someone cheaper to be his replacement) , someone to take Dida's place if he leaves Milan and few new squad players !

So, 2 top class players, and 2-4 players who are good enough but still prepared to warm the bench ! That's all your team needs.

Blacktop
12-02-2007, 16:38
If this is Milan's starting line-up ( Dida ; Oddo, Nesta, Kaladze, Jankulovski;Gattuso, Pirlo, Kaka, Seedorf; Gila, Ronaldo) then i believe all Milan needs is someone to take Seedorf's place
Seedorf is with us till 2011. Unfortunately, he's not going anywhere soon.

Dr Milano
12-02-2007, 16:44
i like stezaguards idea ... of mikel arteta .. the more i think of it the more it makes sense

we need a player like him ... in our team anyways :1old: and as steza said he should be quiet cheap

Graeme C
12-02-2007, 16:45
Didas contract runs out in the summer, i thought the deadline for him to sign was January 31.. Rumours are today that galliani and co were impressed with Storari.. and if Dida doesnt extend soon, Storari is going to start majority of games.. dont know how true that is

Warro Bantan
12-02-2007, 17:25
Schweinsteiger is the best prospective talent (some could say he has already achieved top class status) that Germany has seen in years...he is potentially a complete midfielder...possessive of all the attributes necessary, including a wicked shot...we should definately put in a bid for him.

My thinking is that Bayern wouldnt let him go for less than 20M pounds...which is a bit much for him IMO....I would take him for...14M...but thats me..

Graeme C
12-02-2007, 17:31
if you consider we could be losing

Gk Dida (End of contract)
RB Cafu (retired)
CB Costacurta (retired)
LB Serghino (back to brazil ?)
LB Favalli (move to a lower team to get more games?)
CM Ambrosini (needs more games)
Fw Oliviera (Back to Spain)
Fw Borriello (sent out after the steroid incident)
Fw Inzaghi (could go to Atalanta before retiring, Palermo could be a option)

Replacements

Buffon is ideal to replace Dida
Zambrotta could be used as a LB and a RB
Barzagli for Billy (that would free Kaladze as another back up left back)
Maresca for Ambro (Maresca played in our youth team, so could be useful for that...) Sneijder is another option...

Strikers depends who were losing, im considering options not saying we deffi have to get them..

Rossi/ Torres to replace Borriello (if he goes)
Huntelaar for Inzaghi (if he goes)
Eto/ Suazo/ Torres to replace Oliveira ( if he goes)


So really 6 players. 1 Gk, 2 defenders, 1 midfielder, 2 strikers

cdawg786
12-02-2007, 22:33
Ribery can play on both flanks and would really bring something to the club. Bastians a good option, but would probably be too expensive.

Stitch
13-02-2007, 01:01
i do not know whats the fuss about ribery. he never impressed me with anything. on the other hand, schweinsteiger would me great. or phillip lahm, he would solve our LB problems in a sec :)

milanista mosta
13-02-2007, 01:32
It looks really nice but i don`t see Carlo putting Kaka,Roni and Maluda all together, If we get Ronie than I`m sure Carlo will go after a type of player like Essien or Diarra..or someone else similar to them.to play alongside Rinho and Pirlo. Or he can still play Ambro in that position and Gorky. But I don`t see Maluda playing in that position.

My dear son from beutiful Macedonia,Carlo will "fly" in the summer,so dont worry about Maluda place if he gets in Milanello :D

zlatanov
13-02-2007, 01:47
well, I guess Milan has signed Jonathan Zebina on a free transfer from Juve, probably as a sub for Costacurta ... as he can play both in CD and at RB.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=33643

rt9
13-02-2007, 02:45
Hmmmm. I dont know if that will be a very popular move :) With Oddo at right back (with Bonera and Simic also able to play there) and Nesta, Kaladze, Simic, Maldini, Bonera at center back, I would have prefered if we went for a young, promising player, maybe even from the primavera, rather than a 30 year old Zebina. But then again....

rt9
13-02-2007, 02:54
We've had replacements for Pirlo, but the club keep getting rid of them - Rui could play that role, Dhorasoo, and also Vogel too. It's Ancelotti who is to blame for failing to implement a different tactic so these players could play. If it was me, Milan would have at least 3 systems of play depending on opposition. At the moment we barely have 1.

Completely agree. As I mentioned in another thread, I think both Dhorasoo and Vogel showed that they were quality, but for some reason, were not given sufficient playing time to show their worth. And I agree with you about Rui as well, with his range of passing, he would have been great in the "Pirlo" role, but for some reason Carlo insists on playing Pirlo regardless of form.

As for formations, I too agree that we should be more versatile. We have the players to play in many different ways, but we insist on the predictable 4-3-1-2, and if Pirlo, Kaka have an off-day, we have trouble scoring. If you ask me, I think we should get a pacy winger like Mancini or Robben, slot them in the left or right wing and at least add an element of unpredictability in our play.

rosoneri_11
13-02-2007, 03:13
well, I guess Milan has signed Jonathan Zebina on a free transfer from Juve, probably as a sub for Costacurta ... as he can play both in CD and at RB.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=33643


Well that guy is one of my favorite's CD's and RB's.He is really a strong defender that he plays very good football and he can attack and defence easilly!If it is true that milan have signed him,then it is a great deal!

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 04:10
Well that guy is one of my favorite's CD's and RB's.He is really a strong defender that he plays very good football and he can attack and defence easilly!If it is true that milan have signed him,then it is a great deal! :rolleyes:
When was the last time you watched Zebina ? :)

This is what Juve fans say about Zebina leaving :
1. Can we arrange a taxi so that we know for sure he is gone :D
2. YEEEESSS !!!!!! thats another dream come true!!!


He's always injured, suspended, with awful attitude,unproffesional, slow, plays dirty, makes too many errors !
I don't know what was Moggi thinking when he signed him, but i know even less what was Galliani thinking when signing him !?!

Ok, he'll probably be a sub in Milan, but who ever'll be Milan's manager next year, he better not includes Zebina in Milan's squad when you'll play an important match !
I still can't forget what was Henry doing to him in last year's CL 1/4 finals :(

King tiger
13-02-2007, 04:28
Well hes probably going to take Costacurtas place , so i doubt he will play in CL at all :D

za3eiry
13-02-2007, 04:43
According to goal.com the young brazilian will join milan for 30m euros for milan to create their seleção dream:

Ronaldo Robinho

Ronaldinho Kaka'

so what do u guys think... to me i think we shouldn't think that way ang give Gila a chance

http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=232688

marcovb
13-02-2007, 04:56
This news has come from Marca and i think it's just another rubbish news
Since when this spanish papers make the transfer strategy for MILAN

rosoneri_11
13-02-2007, 05:10
If capello keeps not puting robinho in games then or robinho or capello will leave from mardid at the summer!
And if real decide to sell him then i love to see him playing alongside Kaka-Ronaldo-and prhaps Ronaldinho!

Kaka1899
13-02-2007, 05:25
are these rumours to try and pressure us into selling kaka?

drucurl
13-02-2007, 05:35
Zebina??? OMG!! he is like the worst defender ever!!

Dr Milano
13-02-2007, 05:41
Zebina??? OMG!! he is like the worst defender ever!!


yup since you used 'OMG'

i ll use WTF ... this is a nightmare .....

:angf: i hope he decides against this ...

King tiger
13-02-2007, 05:46
Yeah , he is bad...

zlatanov
13-02-2007, 06:18
these Robinho rumours from Marca sound fishy but it's also true that if his misfortunate existance at real M continues the player himself would push for a move ... and I guess it would be in Real's best interest to cash in on him rather than have him warm the bench for Raul and RvN, as this is something even a cheap primavera player could do.

As for the expected transfer fee, that's absurd to ask for 30 mil given that they got him for 24-25 when he was the most hyped name in the world after Dinho. Now that he's 1-2 years older and has turned into a failure during his first taste of European football, I don't see how his price could go up, on the contrary, it should fall down.

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 06:47
As for the expected transfer fee, that's absurd to ask for 30 mil given that they got him for 24-25 when he was the most hyped name in the world after Dinho. Now that he's 1-2 years older and has turned into a failure during his first taste of European football, I don't see how his price could go up, on the contrary, it should fall down.
Yes, i do agree with this.
The only thing i need to add is that Real may really cash 30 M on him, and if they don't, the worst thing that can happen for them is money back.
They did buy him for 24 M, but they bought him from a Brasilian team. I want to say that if they bought him from some top european team he would have costed more because only the name of a team you're buying from adds to the price most of the time.

And to be honest, Robinho isn't a failure and he's still a great footballer, but he just didn't come out what he was expected to be: the next Pele.
He still is a Brasilian NT player, even a starter on many matches for Brasil.

I think a fair price for Robinho is between 17-20 M Euro, but i'm almost sure he can't be bought for less than 24 M Euro, and i even believe there will be someone who may actually pay 30 M to Real for the youngster !

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 06:54
Btw, Zebina's contract ends in 2009. Can he leave Juve for free ?
Maybe Milan will even pay for him :tong:

King tiger
13-02-2007, 06:58
Maybe the rumor isnt true ?

who knows...

zlatanov
13-02-2007, 07:01
I think that Juve want to rescind his contract, similarly to that of Tudor, and get rid of him altogether getting ready for a major renovation of the team.

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 07:13
I think that Juve want to rescind his contract, similarly to that of Tudor, and get rid of him altogether getting ready for a major renovation of the team.
Aha, that's logical, and probably that's what will happen.
The only difference is that Tudor's contract was expiring this June, while on Zebina maybe Juve could have cashed in smthg.
But who was going to buy him anyway ? It's for the best for Juve and Zebina if his contract is terminated this summer.
I just don't get why would Milan need such a clown in defence, even as a back up ?
But you never know. He was solid in Roma and awful in Juve. Maybe he'll do good in Milan also, like he did with Roma !

zlatanov
13-02-2007, 07:16
I don't think Zebina is as awful a player as most fans think he is ... actually, he could be a pretty good player on his day ... but to be honest, he never figured in any team I was hoping to see Milan come up for next season :D

_MaJi_tz
13-02-2007, 08:10
We must use this situation in barca and pick up etto

zlatanov
13-02-2007, 08:20
Yes, i do agree with this.
The only thing i need to add is that Real may really cash 30 M on him, and if they don't, the worst thing that can happen for them is money back.
They did buy him for 24 M, but they bought him from a Brasilian team. I want to say that if they bought him from some top european team he would have costed more because only the name of a team you're buying from adds to the price most of the time.
I see your point but a big part of that "higher price" goes to the fact that the player is indeed suited to European football, something Robinho is yet to prove. Also, waht you said is indeed true but a price increase is something reasonable provided that the player has proven to be a success at least to an extent ... in robinho's case, he's been nothing but a bench-warmer during his time at Real and the only thing that would warrant a price of even 15-20 mil is 1) his young age and 2) that big hype around him 1-2 years ago, which probably still keeps his price relatively high.
Other than that, not many teams would pay even 10-15 mil for a reserve, who hasn't lived up to even half of the expectations and they would hardly see it to be their problem that Real M paid for him 24 mil ...

To make things even worse, he is not a EU player and that could turn out to be a stumbling block for a good number of teams, especially italian ones with both Milan and Juve rumoured to be interested in him.

Also, let's not underestimate the value of that 24 mil Santos got for him ... they conducted the transfer negotions very well and basically pushed real's backs to the wall and squeezed much more than the Spaniards thought they would have to pay.

What I mean is that Robinho's transfer was in no way the usual "sale discount" European clubs get in brazil and other SA countries as Santos got from real every single penny Robinho was worth at that time and then some. Actually, I think that Robinho is the most expensive player to ever come out of Brazil and SA on his way to Europe ;)

And to be honest, Robinho isn't a failure and he's still a great footballer, but he just didn't come out what he was expected to be: the next Pele.
He still is a Brasilian NT player, even a starter on many matches for Brasil.
I consider him a "talanted" player ... great?! ... lots of water has to pass before he earns that "badge", I think.
Right now, the only thing that keeps from being a finished player, is his age and the fact that Dunga still keeps calling for the NT without much of an end result though.
The facts however say that he is a player who cost a lot of money and hasn't produced much - whether it is just that he is not up to it or it's just capello's love that keep him from doing that, not much of a diffrence when it comes to Ronibho's market price.
The fact is that he has failed in his first taste of European football and he did so in the league with the probably the most open football in Europe.

When I think of Robinho's case, I always remember what happened to Diego, his former teammate from Santos, as their stories are so much alike - big money transfers to European teams, lots of expectations, and in the end nothing. Diego's price went from 15-16 mil to 6 mil (what Wereder paid for him) in just one season ... and I don't see why Robinho's case should be any dif and follow the same trend even if Real M try to play hard ball in the negotiations - of course his price won't be 6 mil but still a good 5-10 mil less than how much they paid to Santos.

I personally think that similarly to Diego, Robinho would do much better in his next team, provided that he finds a good environment where he could/would flourish, but still these are just wishful words from a fan and market value is more influenced by facts than by assumptions of what Robinho MIGHT do in his next club ... and I would expect milan to follow this line in any possible negotiations for him.

Pireloke
13-02-2007, 08:51
Zebina... to Milan, one of my worst premonitions come true. Galliani's brain is full of jelly, now I have the final proof.

Il croato
13-02-2007, 10:00
Milan should buy Vedran Corluka and Eduardo da Silva,their perfomances for Croatia are fantastic..Of course as a back up..

Il croato
13-02-2007, 10:05
Who is Dzemaili,player from Basel,potential replacement for Pirlo?

MOOD
13-02-2007, 10:44
he plays at fc zürich... im from switzerland and i know him, hes to young and he is a good player in switzerland but i think he cant do the same in a top international team...

Dr Milano
13-02-2007, 10:49
well ... to be honest ..

i would love to see a british player at milan soon ...

we have not one brit in our team ...

and since it wouldnt cost much , and well hes in his early 20's ... scotland international ...

= yeeee its darren fletcher ... i would like to see young darren playing for us .. but thats just gonna remain a dream :guw:

MOOD
13-02-2007, 10:50
We must use this situation in barca and pick up etto
i think eto can stay there, the only one i want from barca is rijkaard! a trainer like taht and all will change. and a few of players will follow rijkaard. (dinho, etc.)
rijkaard back to the roots!!:D

nefremo
13-02-2007, 10:52
Dzemaili I think signed for Bolton. He was linked to us but no concrete word form any official came from the rummor and the last I read was that he signed for Bolton. I have never seen him or heard of him so I can't say how good he is however.

On Zebina, I don't know if this is a bad or a good transfer. The good thing is that we have Oddo as a starter on the right side so Zebina will definatly not be a starter. This can mean that one of the players will leave, could it be Simic? Simic out - Zebina in, looks like a back up for back up move. Althouth we have to wait untill it is confirmed first. This is not the first time we have been linked with Zebina so it wouldn't be a surprize if nothing comes out of this rummor as well.

nefremo
13-02-2007, 10:55
It would be unbelieavable if we can do something about Eto'o.
Kaka-Eto'o-Gilardino, doesn't look too bad.

asmileneverlies
13-02-2007, 10:55
Maybe the rumor isnt true ?

who knows...
Milan: preso Zebina (quote: (Repubblica)

10:23 del 13 febbraio

Il Milan ha definito il primo acquisto del prossimo mercato estivo: si tratta del difensore francese Jonathan Zebina, 30 anni ex Cagliari e Roma, in scadenza di contratto con la Juventus.
Il giocatore sta già cercando casa a Milano ed integrerà il reparto difensivo dei rossoneri, in vista degli addii a giugno di Cafu, Costacurta e Serginho.

Unfortunately it seems true............

asmileneverlies
13-02-2007, 11:01
Dida talks to Barca.
They are rumours that Milan will not extend the contract to Dida.
Milan may recall Abbiati (he is on loan to Torino) and will give a chance to Storari for the rest of the season.
Losing Dida is not a concern, the last 2 years have been so bad for him.

Blacktop
13-02-2007, 11:07
Dida talks to Barca.
They are rumours that Milan will not extend the contract to Dida.
Milan may recall Abbiati (he is on loan to Torino) and will give a chance to Storari for the rest of the season.
Source, please?

Losing Dida is not a concern, the last 2 years have been so bad for him.
Name those two years; last season and...?

Xudong
13-02-2007, 12:02
Dida talks to Barca.
They are rumours that Milan will not extend the contract to Dida.
Milan may recall Abbiati (he is on loan to Torino) and will give a chance to Storari for the rest of the season.
Losing Dida is not a concern, the last 2 years have been so bad for him.

Dida is a free agent now, so he can talk to anyone if he wants. But a source would be appreciated.

I also read it from a Chinese website.that the negotiation has fallen through between Milan and Dida, but there is always a chance until June 30 of this year that he will stay.

I don't mind giving Storari more chances.

Dida has not been himself since the firework accident, but he is STILL VERY GOOD. before the Merda fans hit him with firework, he was DIVINE. I don't mind seeing Dida leaving us, ONLY IF WE HAVE BUFFON.

Xudong
13-02-2007, 12:03
Milan: preso Zebina (quote: (Repubblica)

10:23 del 13 febbraio

Il Milan ha definito il primo acquisto del prossimo mercato estivo: si tratta del difensore francese Jonathan Zebina, 30 anni ex Cagliari e Roma, in scadenza di contratto con la Juventus.
Il giocatore sta già cercando casa a Milano ed integrerà il reparto difensivo dei rossoneri, in vista degli addii a giugno di Cafu, Costacurta e Serginho.

Unfortunately it seems true............

I just don't feel right about Zebina. :frustrat:

zlatanov
13-02-2007, 12:08
I just don't feel right about Zebina. :frustrat:
i think getting Zebina is a good omen ... it basically screams "More juve players to follow suit" ... Buffon followed by Zambrotta anyone? :D

kastriot
13-02-2007, 12:08
I just don't feel right about Zebina. :frustrat:

Who does???

asmileneverlies
13-02-2007, 12:19
Source, please?
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/

Name those two years; last season and...?
Did you forget the Roma's goal in the first leg of the Italian Cup?
Just to mention last one.
He did not played well at all this season and remember that he is out of contract and already refused Galliani's proposal because he wants a lot more money.It does not mean "not respecting him" but what the point to re-new his contract when he is over 30.
Remember, football is moving on and we cannot always "live by memories".
We need a new realiable goal keeper and that's the end of story!
Milan needs to start looking seriously to the future and more than half of team is over 30.

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 12:22
i think getting Zebina is a good omen ... it basically screams "More juve players to follow suit"
Yes,
Boumsong, Legrotagllie :D
Buy Zebina and these 2 , and i'll give you Chimenti GRATIS ! :devs:

asmileneverlies
13-02-2007, 12:25
I don't mind seeing Dida leaving us, ONLY IF WE HAVE BUFFON.
Is Buffon going to be a free player as well?

Warro Bantan
13-02-2007, 12:30
Yeah...Zebina...hmmm not feelin this transfer rumor at all, and I hope it isnt true...but in retrospect..I wasnt too keen on Favalli, and he had a good season for us...so lets see:

a) if he comes
b) what he does if he does indeed arrive...

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 12:45
b) what he does if he does indeed arrive...
In short i'll just tell you what did he do for Juve, so we'll have a more clear picture what can we expect from him if he arives in Milan :

He signed for Juve, had solid 3 months and got injured, then he got back , played below average 3 months and got injured again.
At the beggining of the next season he got a serious injury and was out for some 5 months. When he got back he was the worst player i've seen in my life.
Then Calciopoli came. Zebina wanted to leave Juve but noone wanted to buy him so he had to stay. But he refused to play in serie B. When he was forced to play a match, he got a red card and was suspended for few matches. Then he came back and got injured immediately.
After 40 days he recovered, and then he got another red card and suspension, which still lasts.

So, most of the time he's injured, when he's not injured he's getting red cards, and when he's not getting red cards he's getting owned by some Frosinone attackers.

It's a win-win situation for Juve. Getting rid of Zebina and putting him in Milan's defence.

asmileneverlies
13-02-2007, 12:54
In short i'll just tell you what did he do for Juve, so we'll have a more clear picture what can we expect from him if he arives in Milan :

He signed for Juve, had solid 3 months and got injured, then he got back , played below average 3 months and got injured again.
At the beggining of the next season he got a serious injury and was out for some 5 months. When he got back he was the worst player i've seen in my life.
Then Calciopoli came. Zebina wanted to leave Juve but noone wanted to buy him so he had to stay. But he refused to play in serie B. When he was forced to play a match, he got a red card and was suspended for few matches. Then he came back and got injured immediately.
After 40 days he recovered, and then he got another red card and suspension, which still lasts.

So, most of the time he's injured, when he's not injured he's getting red cards, and when he's not getting red cards he's getting owned by some Frosinone attackers.

It's a win-win situation for Juve. Getting rid of Zebina and putting him in Milan's defence.

Brilliant :v408: We should sent this comment to Galliani, it said all.
Do you think in "Via Turati" do not look at the player history?
For last few year we signed too many players over 30 and out of contract.

zlatanov
13-02-2007, 12:55
I have a feeling Tony is simply being jealous that Milan is stealing Zebina from under Juve's nose :D

rosoneri_11
13-02-2007, 13:01
How about vieri??? :tong:

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 13:10
I have a feeling Tony is simply being jealous that Milan is stealing Zebina from under Juve's nose :D
This is the first time since i'm a MM member that Zlatanov's 100% wrong ! :dumpf:

Honestly, i'm not jelaous of Milan getting Zebina, i'm only affraid he'll get some nasty injury somewhere in May and the deal won't happen !
The main reason why you and few other guys here on MM are the ones i respect the most, is the way you're protecting your club and protecting every single Milan player when someone will attack him.
I am, or i'm trying, to do the same with Juve players.
But regarding Zebina and Boumsong i just can't do it.
They are not good enough, and that's it ! :(

curry chicken
13-02-2007, 13:21
How about vieri??? :tong:

You don't mean...Bobo? The once irreplacable giant of Milan? :zany: (no offense yo, I still respect you Bobo.)

And oh, what's this? Milan brings all the Samba Boyz to the Yard.

Milan Eyeing Robinho Swoop

AC Milan are chasing Real Madrid winger Robinho, according to reports in the Spanish press.

The 23 year-old Brazilian has found his first-team chances limited under current coach Fabio Capello and is keen on a switch to Serie A, according to Spanish daily Marca.

The newspaper claims that Milan made their interest known during the negotiations for fellow Brazilian Ronadlo, who moved to the San Siro in the January transfer window.

However, Real would only consider selling Robinho for a fee of around 30 million euros (£21 million) which could prove a major stumbling block for the Italian giants.

http://www.soccer365.com/EUROPEAN_NEWS/Italy_News/page_179_136882.shtml

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I know tis just a rumor. But personally I have always liked Robinho and his spirit (nevermind all that next Pele nonsense, they say that about every young crazy skilled Brazillian :smileani: ). He's definatley unique. But what do you guys think of him playing for Milan (or in Serie A for that matter)?

asmileneverlies
13-02-2007, 13:32
Why Real Madrid and the AS newspaper do not "shut up" for a while?
Madrid needs stop talking and start winning some games?
This club is just a laugh at the moment.

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 13:32
But what do you guys think of him playing for Milan (or in Serie A for that matter)?
I'm affraid Real won't let Robinho to Milan without an option for Kaka.
Imo, Seeing Robinho wearing black&red can only mean one thing : Kaka to Madrid.
On your question : I think he'll do good in serie A !

rosoneri_11
13-02-2007, 13:36
You don't mean...Bobo? The once irreplacable giant of Milan? :zany: (no offense yo, I still respect you Bobo.)
Yes for him! :sagrin: It was just a joke


I know tis just a rumor. But personally I have always liked Robinho and his spirit (nevermind all that next Pele nonsense, they say that about every young crazy skilled Brazillian :smileani: ). He's definatley unique. But what do you guys think of him playing for Milan (or in Serie A for that matter)?

Man you just right the ideal word for Robinho "UNIQUE"!
Thinking him at milan i can say that he would do great things and help a lot Gilardino to show everybody's what striker he is.Robinho can create and score from NOWHERE!He can do fantastic things on the field and would help our attack,passing and improving game 100% with his quality!

King tiger
13-02-2007, 13:45
Now, after Zebina, we wil sign Tonys avatar , im sure.

muahahahaha

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 13:56
Now, after Zebina, we wil sign Tonys avatar , im sure.

muahahahaha

Be my guest :D

Milan_Mad
13-02-2007, 14:11
well ... to be honest ..

i would love to see a british player at milan soon ...

we have not one brit in our team ...

and since it wouldnt cost much , and well hes in his early 20's ... scotland international ...

= yeeee its darren fletcher ... i would like to see young darren playing for us .. but thats just gonna remain a dream :guw:darren fletcher for Milan dude what have you be smokin :devs:

Stezagud
13-02-2007, 14:34
i like stezaguards idea ... of mikel arteta .. the more i think of it the more it makes sense

good to see, i'll convert MilanMania one at a time to the Arteta cause :D

He is a very good player though, 2 footed, skillful, good passer, set piece expert, strong tackler, reminds me a lot of Xabi Alonso which isnt surprising since they used to live on the same street as kids :eek:

Stezagud
13-02-2007, 14:36
= yeeee its darren fletcher ... i would like to see young darren playing for us .. but thats just gonna remain a dream

Fletch is a decent enough youngster but he isnt ready for a club like Milan, and probably never will be. Better to continue his education under the master Scholes :cool:

King tiger
13-02-2007, 14:49
hahaahaha

:D

put your old avatar back :D

kastriot
13-02-2007, 14:51
ControCampo say Milan president Silvio Berlusconi is ready to go as high as £70 million (RM468.4m) to land Barcelona superstar Ronaldinho in the summer.

However, should Barca refuse to budge, Berlusconi will throw a large portion of his budget at Henry.

Inter president Massimo Moratti is also pursuing the Arsenal captain, who only last week assured fans he wanted to stay at Emirates stadium.

Some technical advisors at Milan working under Ariedo Braida and Adriano Galliani believe Henry would be the ‘superior option’ ahead of Ronaldinho.

They see the Frenchman as a better complement to Kaka and Ronaldo’s qualities in Milan’s playing system.

Meanwhile, Manchester United winger Cristiano Ronaldo is demanding a staggering £8.3 million-a-year to extend his contract at Old Trafford.

Ronaldo’s representatives want to seal a deal that would guarantee the Portuguese star £160,000 a week.

A source close to Ronaldo confi rmed to the News of the World: “There are lots of meetings taking place regarding Cristiano’s new contract.

“But if United say he’s the best player in the world, they have to give him the best salary in the world.

Barca are ready to pounce as the European champions are being backed by Sheik Mansour Al-Balawi, who owns Saudi Arabian club Al-Ittihad.

He confi rmed: “I will do what is necessary to help Barcelona sign a great player like Cristiano.”

http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News/mm/Tuesday/Sports/20070213105828/Article/index_html

eltomas2
13-02-2007, 15:14
robino is good but he's another player with hype around him (NOT lots of hype but still), the spanish league is more open than the serie A, if he couldn't score much in Spain (it took him a year to score I think) I don't think that'll immediately change in Milan, his moves are not backed up by goals or earning a starting position ever since he arrived in Europe. On the other hand, he is only 22 so he can get better and better...Henry didn't impress much when he was in Juve but he moved to Arsenal and look at him now so who knows but I don't see how real can sell him for more than they bought him for, I dont see the stats that back it up.

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 16:28
hahaahaha

:D

put your old avatar back :D
Lol , ok, Gigi is back.
But i still think Legrottaglie can do miracles in Milan :D

drucurl
13-02-2007, 16:54
you mean like "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" kinda miracles or the " who knew a guy so highly rated would be such utter rubbish" kind of miracles

Personally I think the first describes Zebidonna while the latter describes Leggrogaggio

Jim_UK
13-02-2007, 17:16
I know Tuttosport isn't that reliable, but there's a part of it i just like so much.

The rumour is Luca Toni to Juve, Gilardino to Fiorentina and Trezeguet to Milan ... forming an anti-inter alliance :rotfl:

I also read Juve are monitoring Etoo so i guess we've swapped round, Robinho was nearly always a Juve target and Etoo ours (for Italian teams i mean).

Also the Milan site has issued another official statement about the new story of Kaka going to Real in the summer. I would be happy if the purchase of Ronaldo has but one positive outcome and that's for him to tell Kaka that Real really isn't worth moving to. If he convinced him of that i wouldn't care if he ate all the pasta in Italy, never scored a goal again or never even moved on the pitch! :D

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 17:35
The rumour is Luca Toni to Juve, Gilardino to Fiorentina and Trezeguet to Milan
Hmmm, Trez is one of my favorites, but i won't say No to this. He's having his 7th season with Juve, and it's time for a change.
Juve's losing a legend this way, but getting a top quality striker, maybe the only one in Italy who's a guarantee to score as much as Trez did.

Milan will profit in short term. Trez will, imo, have his best season next year. He's not happy in serie B and he's so much hungry for top football, so much hungry to prove himself somewhere else apart from Juve.
In long run, i'm not so sure . Trez is better striker than Gila, but he's 5 years older also.

Fiorentina is the only one losing here (at the end i may be proven very much wrong for thinking they'll be losing with replacing Toni with Gila), but to be honest, Toni is a player who deserves to play for someone from top3 in Italy at certain time of his carierre, and i doubt he wants to end in Firenze.
Still, Viola gets another top quality player and long term solution. And i won't bet on Gilardino not being able to replace Toni.

The only bad thing is ...... none of this will happen at the end :(
Damn u Tuttosport !

Blacktop
13-02-2007, 18:41
No personal attacks, please.
My apologies.

The rumour is Luca Toni to Juve, Gilardino to Fiorentina and Trezeguet to Milan ... forming an anti-inter alliance :rotfl:
That story is several months old, actually.

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 19:27
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=233150

"Zebina still has two years to run on his Juve deal after the end of the season, but the Bianconeri consented to his departure subject to a reasonable offer. Milan seem to have come up with that offer, and an agreement has been struck."

According to this, it looks like Milan will not get Zebina for free, but they'll actually pay for him.
Or maybe some player from Milan will go the other way ?

Blacktop
13-02-2007, 19:33
Did you forget the Roma's goal in the first leg of the Italian Cup? Just to mention last one. He did not played well at all this season
The last thing I want to do is start a war of words and I'm not trying to get people to bow down to him, but statements like above bug the hell out of me, especially when they aren't sufficiently backed up. So he's having a bad season this year because of the Roma goal? You mean the same season in which he was MotM in the 0-0 Lazio draw, kept three clean sheets - and allowed only 2 goals - in five CL matches and had 446 minutes of scoreless Serie A play earlier this year (while our strikers couldn't score to save their lives)? Yes, there have been mistakes, but they've been few and far in between.

but what the point to re-new his contract when he is over 30. [...] We need a new realiable goal keeper and that's the end of story!
Pretty much anything from Tuttomercatoweb is BS; this story hasn't appeared anywhere else, Barca have Valdes, and Milan aren't going to dump Dida right after one appearance by Storari, as terrific as it was. Clarence Lazybones is well over 30 and yet he was given an extension. :irritate:

Plus, goalkeepers take longer to age physically than outfield players. However, as Billy's performance in the Roma match showed, virtually no goalie can compensate for a flimsy defense, which is the bigger fish we ought to be frying instead of trying to play goalkeeper roulette.

Tony29.
13-02-2007, 19:42
I couldn't agree more with BMWTaylor !
Dida is one of the best 3 goalkeepers in the world, and he can play top football for 3 more years at least !
Milan doesn't need a new keeper and they must keep Dida !

And Yes, i'm saying this mostly because .........
:)

zlatanov
13-02-2007, 21:07
My apologies.

no problem. Thanks for understanding :)

The last thing I want to do is start a war of words and I'm not trying to get people to bow down to him, but statements like above bug the hell out of me, especially when they aren't sufficiently backed up. So he's having a bad season this year because of the Roma goal?
..................

Clarence Lazybones is well over 30 and yet he was given an extension. :irritate:

.................


Agree on all counts, except one - C. Lazyboones is exactly 30 yo :D

tipi
14-02-2007, 03:08
I couldn't agree more with BMWTaylor !
Dida is one of the best 3 goalkeepers in the world, and he can play top football for 3 more years at least !
Milan doesn't need a new keeper and they must keep Dida !

And Yes, i'm saying this mostly because .........
:)

The above mentioned is not true in my opinion.
At least the keepers of Real Madrid, Chelsea and Juve are much better and consistent than Dida.

dejan.s
14-02-2007, 04:35
Samuel Eto:
"""""It wasn't an explosion. I simply answered honestly the questions that were put to me. That's what you want, isn't it? For people to speak their minds?
Gentlemen, I won't accept someone saying I am going against the playing group. We have trained 300 times and even when I was injured, I would stand in the rain and support them. And from that we form a family. I know we can't all be friends, but it doesn't excuse you from throwing s*** at your teammate!
I am only going to say that someone is a bad person or a bad teammate when they mislead.
If a teammate is upset with me, then they can say so to my face. I wasn't the one who broke the laws of the dressing room. If I have something to say, I always say it inside the dressing room.""""

This kind of players AC Milan MUST buy!

rosoneri_11
14-02-2007, 06:08
Samuel Eto:
"""""It wasn't an explosion. I simply answered honestly the questions that were put to me. That's what you want, isn't it? For people to speak their minds?
Gentlemen, I won't accept someone saying I am going against the playing group. We have trained 300 times and even when I was injured, I would stand in the rain and support them. And from that we form a family. I know we can't all be friends, but it doesn't excuse you from throwing s*** at your teammate!
I am only going to say that someone is a bad person or a bad teammate when they mislead.
If a teammate is upset with me, then they can say so to my face. I wasn't the one who broke the laws of the dressing room. If I have something to say, I always say it inside the dressing room.""""

This kind of players AC Milan MUST buy!

Yes these kinf of players we need!He is the best striker of the world!

_MaJi_tz
14-02-2007, 09:49
Juventus, Inter and Milan are ready to battle it out on the transfer market for Alexandre Pato of Porto Alegre.

The 17-year-old is seen by many as the new Kaka and he’s admitted that a Serie A switch is a desire of his.

“I know that Milan, Juventus and Inter are following me,” said the South American starlet.

“I feel that I am ready to undertake a European adventure and therefore the interest of these important clubs flatters me.

“I always follow Italian football on television and my dream is to play in Italy.

“I would like to become the new Ronaldo – perhaps I will follow the career of the many Brazilian players who have won so much with Milan...”[I]

Pato is contracted to Internacional until 2009 and is currently valued at £10m, with reports suggesting that a £7m offer from Milan has already been rejected.

Juventus are understood to be in a favourable position to net the attacker as his agent is Gilmar Veloz, who is also the representative of former Juve ace Emerson.

Pato won the Copa Libertadores last year and 2006 FIFA World Club Championship by defeating Barcelona in the Final.

He also impressed in the recent U-20 South American Championship in Paraguay, which was won by the Selecao.

I love this boy

Warro Bantan
14-02-2007, 10:28
Re: Pato.

Well, will we have space for him? Who would he replace? He wont be a "Pirlo" replacement...maybe a sub for Kaka....if Gourcuff is Seedorfs sub....hmmm...I dont have a problem with us getting him...if he is all that he is purported to be.

zlatanov
14-02-2007, 11:05
I think Pato is just too young to hav him as a viable option in attack just yet but I guess,if we can afford it, we could get him now and keep him in the team but outside the 25 players who will form the squad for the CL, at least for the first year that is.

The good thing about him is that if we buy him this summer when he will be 18 or so, when he becomes 21, he will have been a Milan player for 3 full years, which would allow Milan to include him in the CL as a club-trained player i.e. a player who's coming from Milan's youth system like Maldini is now.

prifess
14-02-2007, 11:42
GK: /

RB: maybe rafinha
LB: /
DC: sell simic, buy a young good prospect

MC: sell abro, buy a young prospect: snijder, andersson(porto),

S: sell pipo , buy robinho or kerlon (or pato)
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who i like that milan want to buy, but impossible:
ronaldinhio, fabregas, de rossi, mascherano, barzagli(prob go to juve)

SANT
14-02-2007, 11:44
wow, so you wanna play with like 5 or 6 Defensive/central Midfielders????

Stitch
14-02-2007, 12:43
wow, so you wanna play with like 5 or 6 Defensive/central Midfielders????

:d6: :u125: :finger: :hihihi: :hihihi:

zlatanov
14-02-2007, 12:48
wow, so you wanna play with like 5 or 6 Defensive/central Midfielders????
but why? we can always play just fabregas and De Rossi and bench Pirlo, Gattuso, Mascherano, et al. :grinser:

hitmannq8
14-02-2007, 13:15
hmmm well im happy the boy wants to play in Italy and did say something specific about Milan, but that does not mean we will get him.. players like Sneijder, Alex, etc. have all said they dream for Milan but we have never moved for them... Pato though is being talked about alot, he even says "i hope to be the new ronaldo" which is something HUGE from someone who's 17!! I think we should bring him in here no matter what, to replace any of our strikers this summer, or if our strikers aren't doin bad just bring him as a 5th striker.

Another rumour goign around today is that Diarra is open to exit Real in the summer. He was my dream transfer last summer but he went to Real Madrid. Boy how i wish we can get him to play in the place of Gattuso/Seedorf. This guy is the PERFECT midfield player, but he hasnt been playin up to standards for Real. If the price is good, he is worth the risk, BUT dont forget he is a Non-EU player. In other words, we can't get both Pato and Diarra.

mrki
14-02-2007, 14:50
Pato is not too young for anything, he is a super talenter player who is right now more lethal than Ronaldo. And is 17 years old. It would be much wiser to buy Pato, Malouda, Gigi and some defender than only one player like Henry or Dinho. But I said it milion times so...

And now....Zebina! WHY?? I just want one positive answer - WHY??
1. He is cronicaly injured
2. idiot
3. not a good player as a CD
4. horrible as a RB
5. old
6..and so on.... not free! :w155:

Jim_UK
14-02-2007, 15:05
I completely disagree Zlat, if Pato is good enough then he's old enough. Plenty of teenage players have settled right into first team football and have become important players to their teams, so why not Pato? Give him REGULAR time in the team (coming on as sub for 15-20 mins in most games to bed himself in) and there's no reason why he couldn't be a great player for our first team.

However, i will balance this by saying it all hinges on if he's good enough and that is a question i can't answer as i've never seen him play. Is he good enough? I don't know. Is he old enough? That depends on the answer to the first question.

Warro Bantan
14-02-2007, 15:25
And now....Zebina! WHY?? I just want one positive answer - WHY??
1. He is cronicaly injured
2. idiot
3. not a good player as a CD
4. horrible as a RB
5. old
6..and so on.... not free! :w155:

:wallbang: A positive answer? How could you ask for one after this critique? We are purportedly buying him, obviously, because someone in the Milan management thinks he is worth it...but, let me hasten to add, this is a rumor...there is nothing on the official site, and unless Galliani or Braida called you to tell you that we would definately be going for him, you are making a mountain out of a molehill...

Until I see the Frenchman holding up a Milan shirt, in an official press conference, then his coming, along with Diego, Pato, Ronaldinho, Robinho, Chivu, Barzagli, Lampard and any of the 50 other players we have been linked with, will be just speculation, and I will treat it as such.

zlatanov
14-02-2007, 15:25
Jim, he is talanted but not mature enough to carry such a burden just yet - he's been excelling in some, not all but some, of the U-20 championship games and games in the Brazilian championship, where there are lots of weak teams that just fill up the blanks, but he is yet to bring Internacional to the levels of winning Coppa Libertadores.

In that game vs Barca, he played exactly like a talanted 17 yo would - with lots of naiveness and not much maturity in his actions and was duely subbed early on ... his talent was and is easy to see but it also needs lots of polishing before you can make him even a regular sub in a club like Milan ... maybe a year or two from now when he 19 yo or so but not yet.

Even Barca with their young prodigy messi didn't throw him in the meatgrinder that early but waited for him to mature in the youth formations and even at 18 years of age his appearances were sporadic, aimed more at giving him experience rather than relying on him to decide the games for them. now, at 19 he is being introduced more and more into the team although even now he is left out in many games (same goes for his situation in Argentinian NT).

Pato is still just 17 yo, Jim, he has lots of talant but scoring some goals vs U-20 teams is hardly proof that he is good enough i.e. old enough ... he is still just a kid, not even a young man, but a kid and should be better protected until his time comes.

mrki
14-02-2007, 15:54
Yes, but if you want to capture young players, you need to take a risk. You cant wait for him to be 21 and then buy him. By that time he'll play for Barca and cost 50mil like Messi now.

zlatanov
14-02-2007, 16:11
Yes, but if you want to capture young players, you need to take a risk. You cant wait for him to be 21 and then buy him. By that time he'll play for Barca and cost 50mil like Messi now.
I am not saying we should wait until some other team gets him, which is what I said several posts before, but that he is not ready yet Milan's attack to rely on him to decide games.

Jim_UK
14-02-2007, 16:17
Well, you'll have to be the judge of him Zlat. Like i said i've not seen him play. However Messi was more or less a regular at 18 ( if he's 19 now and he spent all of last season as a regular, he must have been 18 :D ) ... Rooney was 17, Owen was 17, etc etc .... but the obvious difference is the level of the competition.

It's a shame we couldn't buy him and keep him immediately, it's alot to shell out on a loaned player. At some point though you have to take the risk.

mrki
14-02-2007, 16:20
Anyway, from what I've seen, he has a great potential. Maybe we can loan him or something, I cant tell are we even interested for real.... But he has my vote.

Dr Milano
14-02-2007, 16:24
Fletch is a decent enough youngster but he isnt ready for a club like Milan, and probably never will be. Better to continue his education under the master Scholes :cool:

lol ... ma uncles planning on buying a house near paul scholes

:hug: scholes is just a oldham boy for life
i ll love to see him playing for the latics one day soon

Stitch
14-02-2007, 16:29
I am not saying we should wait until some other team gets him, which is what I said several posts before...

omg pops is going crazy :D :D :D












I know what you meant, but it's still funny when you read it like this :D

milanista mosta
14-02-2007, 16:56
Well...i think that you are thinking too much about Milan and football in general ...did you ever heard about creatures called WOMEN :D etc.

e-Milan
14-02-2007, 19:01
I read on my local newspaper that Juventus Zebina is on his way to Milan this summer. Is it true ? any reliable resources ? fyi, my local newspaper said it's quoted from "la gazetta dello sport"

zlatanov
14-02-2007, 21:10
Well, you'll have to be the judge of him Zlat. Like i said i've not seen him play. However Messi was more or less a regular at 18 ( if he's 19 now and he spent all of last season as a regular, he must have been 18 :D ) ... Rooney was 17, Owen was 17, etc etc .... but the obvious difference is the level of the competition.

It's a shame we couldn't buy him and keep him immediately, it's alot to shell out on a loaned player. At some point though you have to take the risk.
Messi is still not a regular at Barca, he does start many games but others is just left on the bench and another player is predered over him. Actually, it was just this season that he was starting to gain a more regular place over Giuly but injuries have been spoiling his season several times already.

As for Rooney and Owen ... they did come to prominence and became regulars at a pretty young age - not sure for Owen but Rooney was almost 19 yo when ManU bought him, until then he was on and off the first team at Everton - but that's exactly my point - what did they, or thier teams, win with them being 17,18, 19 yo? Did they win EPL or CL?

Owen got the GB at what 22 yo but that's a long way from a 17 yo boy, who's listening a bit too much to the media hype and thinks that just because he scored several goals against a bunch of other 18-19 yo, he's ready for Europe and Serie A.

Blacktop
14-02-2007, 21:14
Until I see the Frenchman holding up a Milan shirt, in an official press conference, then his coming, along with Diego, Pato, Ronaldinho, Robinho, Chivu, Barzagli, Lampard and any of the 50 other players we have been linked with, will be just speculation, and I will treat it as such.
Let's come up with a formation of all the players who have been rumored to come here the past year. :)

Giovanni
15-02-2007, 02:06
I'd love to see Quaresma from Porto. He's got unbelievable technique, and he's only 23. He was very impressive in the game againsy Brazil last Wednesday. I remember Rui Costa recommending saying he will be a great player.
I agree. This kind of players must be signed when they haven't reached a top club already; otherwise, they get out of reach.

I think the italians in Spain haven't really fit into their style. Strange to say, but i see neither Cannavaro and Zambrotta fitted well into their new teams.

I think Zambrotta would be a dream signing, and he would be perfect for at least 4 roles (LB,RB, LM, RM)

I think we must stay real and understand that signing 3+ top players (buffon, zambrotta, ronaldinho) is just impossible.

Heinze is free agent in the summer: i think he would be an interesting signing in case

Jim_UK
15-02-2007, 03:43
As for Rooney and Owen ... they did come to prominence and became regulars at a pretty young age - not sure for Owen but Rooney was almost 19 yo when ManU bought him, until then he was on and off the first team at Everton - but that's exactly my point - what did they, or thier teams, win with them being 17,18, 19 yo? Did they win EPL or CL?


Owen was 17 when he came on as sub and scored on his debut in the Premiership. Zlat you seem to think that they must win one of the big titles for them to justify their places in the side, which seems a bit ridiculous to be honest. Just because a player (wether young or old, age is irrelevant for this point) doesn't win the league or CL doesn't mean they haven't been an important player and important contributer for their side.

So if Pato was an important player for our side, scoring vital goals and playing generally well but if we ended up not winning anything, you'd see him as a failure? That's kind of the way your making it sound.

Jim_UK
15-02-2007, 03:52
GK: /

RB: maybe rafinha
LB: /
DC: sell simic, buy a young good prospect

MC: sell abro, buy a young prospect: snijder, andersson(porto),

S: sell pipo , buy robinho or kerlon (or pato)
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who i like that milan want to buy, but impossible:
ronaldinhio, fabregas, de rossi, mascherano, barzagli(prob go to juve)


You can only buy one non Eu player in the summer, so that means only 1 Brazilian from your list. Mascherano is at Liverpool anyway.

Does Etoo have Spanish nationality yet? He's been in Spain for quite a few years so i'm wondering if he was bought, would he take up the non EU place?

zlatanov
15-02-2007, 05:45
i think Eto'o has been in Spain for close to 10 years now but doesn;t have a Spanish passport ... although I guess that if he needed/wanted one, he could get it pretty quickly as the requirement is to have lived in SPain for 4 years, I think.

As for those Brazilians above, none of them has an EU passport so ... better luck tomorrow :guw:

rosoneri_11
15-02-2007, 06:17
From:http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/feb15e.html

President Silvio Berlusconi about Kaka :

The club chief then reiterated that Kaka is not for sale and will not leave the San Siro, despite constant rumours in Spain stating that the player is set to join Real Madrid.

“He represents Milan perfectly with his values and he is fundamental for us. Kaka is a Rossoneri player and he will remain with us for a very long time. Maybe one day he will also wear the captain’s armband,” concluded Berlusconi.
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Don't believe nothing now about Kaka that he will leave from us.Silvio make it clearly he will not leave for nothing from milan!
The best answer about kaka's rumours to spanish newspapers.
Lets see know if the spanish news will post and show Silvios answer about kaka!Shame on you AS!

zlatanov
15-02-2007, 06:34
Owen was 17 when he came on as sub and scored on his debut in the Premiership. Zlat you seem to think that they must win one of the big titles for them to justify their places in the side, which seems a bit ridiculous to be honest. Just because a player (wether young or old, age is irrelevant for this point) doesn't win the league or CL doesn't mean they haven't been an important player and important contributer for their side.

So if Pato was an important player for our side, scoring vital goals and playing generally well but if we ended up not winning anything, you'd see him as a failure? That's kind of the way your making it sound.
Owen was one big exception, Jim ... he's not by chance the youngest player to ever win the Golden Ball and he did that at 21-22 when most other players' careers are just starting off. Unfortunately for him, as is the case with many if not most early bloomers, an early start usually means an early finish too.

And these are individual cases - just because Owen, being the exception he was, was so good, it doesn't mean Pato is ready for Europe and Italy just because his confidence is sky-high due to all that media hype around him. Robinho and Diego were much more acomplished and established players than Pato, who is playing his first season in Brazil first league, and moved to Europe at the age of 20-21, not 17, but they still needed some time to find their feet ... well, at least one of them seems to have found his feet, the other one is still looking.
When I think of Pato, I always remember one other player very similar to his case - i think his name was Adailton or something like that. He excelled for the Brazil U-20 team and was the star of the U-20 World Cup ... he was just in a league of his own, so to speak, among his peers and was doing very well in Brazil championship too.
Well, he ended coming to Italy to play for Parma - back then when Parma had Calisto Tanzi and were buying some of the most famous and expensive players around - and I think he was around 20-21 yo - a good 3-4 years more experienced than Pato. Needles to say, he didn't perform as expected, his confidence took a hard hit and that crippled his career.

My point however was that teams that rely on young and inexperienced players very rarely win important titles - ManU are about to win a title but only after 3 years since they bought rooney and C. Ronaldo as 19 yo youngsters.
Milan cannot afford to groom talants just because in 4-5 years' time they might develop into champions. What if they turn out to be one of the 9 out of 10 hyped youngsters who never live up to the enormous expectations? It will bascially mean that we've invested all that time in them for nothing because we are not a team that lives off of developing talants and selling them to the big "sharks", we are one of those big sharks and we live off using the already developed players.

And if Pato come to Milan now and is given an important role at the team, and with important roles comes the heavy burden of responsibility, chances are he will realise that he wasn't ready for it and his confidence and development would hit a wall rather than "more gradually" develope that talent into the finished product.

That's why I think that if Milan were to get Pato this summer, he'd better off in the beginning being part of the team but outside the 25-men squad for CL as opposed to being one of the 3-4 (depending on whether Dinho comes) "first" strikers on the senior team.

You see, in modern football, a club like Milan, can no longer rely on 2 strong forwards with the other two just filling in the spots. Now we need all our strikers to be ready (read experineced and up to it) to start a game and carry the attack of the team and leave his mark on the field ... and for that matter we cannot take up a CL spot on the senior team to a 17-18 yo with absolutely no experience in European football and very little experience in professional football in general (we shouldn't forget that this is his first year of playing in Brazil's first league) and thus deprive ourselves from an experienced striker.

With Pato outside the 25-men suad at first, he would be available for selection in Serie A games and we could do wtih him exactly what Barca did with Messi - make him take his time and develop gradually by making him train together with the seniors, play him in several games to give him the feal of Italian football, and gradually increase the number of games and minutes he gets to play.

Should he prove that he is indeed something more than your ususal one -season wonder, like Messi did at barca, in 1-2 years he will become a member 25-men CL team by taking the place of either Inzaghi (leaving/retiring) or RO being sold if he doesn't improve his perfomances or something of the likes.

EDITED: I edited the part where I thought it would be possible to have Pato on the youth team because I had forgotten that he has already signed his first professional contract with internacional, at least I would think he has, and that way he can no longer be a youth-team player.

hishamilan
15-02-2007, 06:50
i know i am new and young but u will all agree with me when i say that we don't want a ready made star like ronaldinho nor an ordinary un experienced youngster like pato, but we really need a skillful GK to replace dida maybe "Steklenberg"<around $4 mil.>, an experienced young DF like < pepe or alex or luisao > , mikel arteta is great as a backup for all midfeild positions < around $8 mil.>, we could also get Montolivo as a sub. for kaka and as for the CF we need a fast one or a goal machine whom i think are either Etoo or Huntelaar.

Tony29.
15-02-2007, 10:47
When I think of Pato, I always remember one other player very similar to his case - i think his name was Adailton or something like that. He excelled for the Brazil U-20 team and was the star of the U-20 World Cup ... he was just in a league of his own, so to speak, among his peers and was doing very well in Brazil championship too.
Well, he ended coming to Italy to play for Parma - back then when Parma had Calisto Tanzi and were buying some of the most famous and expensive players around - and I think he was around 20-21 yo - a good 3-4 years more experienced than Pato. Needles to say, he didn't perform as expected, his confidence took a hard hit and that crippled his career.
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Perfect comparison Zlat. :5ok:
Adailton was scoring for fun on that championship. I remember him scoring some 5 goals on one match against some Asian oponents, and he was scoring easily on every other match.
I'm sorry i wasn't using net at the time he joined Parma, but i supose many fans concidered him the next big thing also, and the biggest talent in the world.
You described what was happening to him afterwards and i'll add he's in serie B now, in Genoa. He's still scoring a lot, is among the top scorers of the league and was leading the standings after 15 rounds, but still - he's playing in serie B, and he's not there because of the same reasons Buffon or Del Piero are.

He was concidered the best and most expensive attacker/player of his generation. And the same generation gave players like Henry, Trezeguet, Raul, Toni, Deco.
So why paying so much money for a possibile Adailton when with some good scouting you can buy a "Trezeguet" or "Henry" much cheaper ?
And Adailton was 19 at the u-20 World Cup and stil failed in his carierre. This kid is only 17 !

Jim_UK
15-02-2007, 11:19
Owen was one big exception, Jim ... he's not by chance the youngest player to ever win the Golden Ball and he did that at 21-22 when most other players' careers are just starting off. Unfortunately for him, as is the case with many if not most early bloomers, an early start usually means an early finish too.


Zlat, you mentioned you weren't sure when Owen made his debut, so i filled in that blank. I wasn't using him as a reference and certainly wasn't expecting his life story in return

I also think people are confusing what i'm saying with some kind of statement that i think Pato is good enough, that's not the case. My point was if you're good enough you should play despite your age, i wasn't looking for comparisons with other players or anything along those lines. I'm not actually for or against the guy.

What i will say is that i think your Man Utd point about how they relied only on Rooney & Ronaldo is a little off. I think they didn't win anything at the time due to (a) Chelsea's millions and (b) the poor performances of established players like Scholes, Giggs, Van Nistelrooy, etc. Because of these players lack of form, it emphasised the importance of Rooney & Ronaldo, had these players been nearer the form they've shown this season added to the two Rs then they might easily have won something. So to say you can't win anything if you rely on youngsters is a bit misleading, you still need the whole team to deliver, i just think youngsters are more than capable of lending a hand in some cases.

Your idea to leave him out the 25 but play him the league sounds the best option, bravo.

Tony75
15-02-2007, 12:08
If he's better than players who are older, then drop them. Simple as.

eltomas2
15-02-2007, 12:14
let's go for Zapata from Udinese, Heinze from Man U and let him fight it out with Janku, and also go for Quaresma...I think they are all well within Milan's reach

Blacktop
16-02-2007, 01:30
Do you really want Milan to get that dud Mascherano?

Giovanni
16-02-2007, 02:15
You know we have already signed Zebina : the news was on calciomercato.com yesteday. As usual (f.ex. Cafu) free agents get a contract months before thier contract expires, usually in this period.


We must sign a great midfielder : as our defensive exposure shows, we can't hold on with a team full of fantasisti and playmakers. We must strenghten the midfield, as well as all the other areas.

Buffon : 30 + m
Zambrotta : 15 m
Heinze : free agent
Zebina : free agent

We surely have to use some players as makeweight, but it's time for Silvio to open the wallet. :sun:

Kaka1899
16-02-2007, 02:57
what are chances of zambrotta being sold in the summer with him only transfering last season?

Giovanni
16-02-2007, 03:05
if he doesn't feel good in spain the chances are great because modern fotball market is ruled by players' will, and very rarely the club can hold on with players willing to go elsewhere.
The question is : " how much are we going to pay if he convince Barca to release him "?
Last summer Zambrotta had already reached a gentlemen's agreement with Braida, but the uncertainty about our future and a contestual offer by Barca convinced him to take a flight for Barcelona.

Zambrotta was in Italy few days ago, and it is said he had some unformal talks with Milan board.
I don't know if it going to be a serious deal, but what is sure is that Zambrotta is an astonishing player, a player worthy an effort. He can immediately set both flanks and eventually midfield. He's either good forward and backward, and being an italian defender, and a quality one, he can eventually play as central back in the future, when his pace will slow down. I'm sure he can be a great central back as well.

zlatanov
16-02-2007, 08:07
In short i'll just tell you what did he do for Juve, so we'll have a more clear picture what can we expect from him if he arives in Milan :

He signed for Juve, had solid 3 months and got injured, then he got back , played below average 3 months and got injured again.
At the beggining of the next season he got a serious injury and was out for some 5 months. When he got back he was the worst player i've seen in my life.
Then Calciopoli came. Zebina wanted to leave Juve but noone wanted to buy him so he had to stay. But he refused to play in serie B. When he was forced to play a match, he got a red card and was suspended for few matches. Then he came back and got injured immediately.
After 40 days he recovered, and then he got another red card and suspension, which still lasts.

So, most of the time he's injured, when he's not injured he's getting red cards, and when he's not getting red cards he's getting owned by some Frosinone attackers.

It's a win-win situation for Juve. Getting rid of Zebina and putting him in Milan's defence.

well, there seems to be a chance that Zebina's impressive track record with Juve will get even better - according to this article in Gazzetta, he may very well be staying put:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Squadre/Juventus/Primo_Piano/2007/02_Febbraio/16/mercato.shtml

Thank you Juve. :ilol:
It's a win-win situation for Milan. Not getting Zebina and letting him stay in Juve's defence. :D

Tony29.
16-02-2007, 08:16
well, there seems to be a chance that Zebina's impressive track record with Juve will get even better - according to this article in Gazzetta, he may very well be staying put:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Squadre/Juventus/Primo_Piano/2007/02_Febbraio/16/mercato.shtml

Thank you Juve. :ilol:
It's a win-win situation for Milan. Not getting Zebina and letting him stay in Juve's defence. :D
According to that article Gilardino may be Juve's player ;) . Those are only speculations about Juve's summer possibile transfers, in and out from Juve.
From what we've read so far a deal between Juve and Milan has been made about Zebina.
Juve already bought Salihamidzic and Grygera on Zebina's position, so i very much doubt he'll stay in Juventus ;)

hishamilan
16-02-2007, 08:39
i know i am new and young but u will all agree with me when i say that we don't want a ready made star like ronaldinho nor an ordinary un experienced youngster like pato, but we really need a skillful GK to replace dida maybe "Steklenberg"<around $4 mil.>, an experienced young DF like < pepe or alex or luisao > , mikel arteta is great as a backup for all midfeild positions < around $8 mil.>, we could also get Montolivo as a sub. for kaka and as for the CF we need a fast one or a goal machine whom i think are either Etoo or Huntelaar.

why didn't any body discuss me???????? i think this is fairly a good reply and it solves the unique non-euro passport if we buy a combination of: steklenberg alex arteta montolivo huntelaar

Dr Milano
16-02-2007, 09:04
if he doesn't feel good in spain the chances are great because modern fotball market is ruled by players' will, and very rarely the club can hold on with players willing to go elsewhere.
The question is : " how much are we going to pay if he convince Barca to release him "?
Last summer Zambrotta had already reached a gentlemen's agreement with Braida, but the uncertainty about our future and a contestual offer by Barca convinced him to take a flight for Barcelona.

Zambrotta was in Italy few days ago, and it is said he had some unformal talks with Milan board.
I don't know if it going to be a serious deal, but what is sure is that Zambrotta is an astonishing player, a player worthy an effort. He can immediately set both flanks and eventually midfield. He's either good forward and backward, and being an italian defender, and a quality one, he can eventually play as central back in the future, when his pace will slow down. I'm sure he can be a great central back as well.

yup milan should look at players like this

instead of that flop zebina :rollani:

zlatanov
16-02-2007, 09:56
i know i am new and young but u will all agree with me when i say that we don't want a ready made star like ronaldinho nor an ordinary un experienced youngster like pato, but we really need a skillful GK to replace dida maybe "Steklenberg"<around $4 mil.>, an experienced young DF like < pepe or alex or luisao > , mikel arteta is great as a backup for all midfeild positions < around $8 mil.>, we could also get Montolivo as a sub. for kaka and as for the CF we need a fast one or a goal machine whom i think are either Etoo or Huntelaar.
ok here you go:
I like the idea of Stekelenburg as a cheaper option for a new keeper, cheaper than Buffon that is. He is a very good keeper already and with him being 24-25 yo can only get better with time.
IMO he is not NOW the best replacement for Dida but, with an eye to the future, he is indeed a viable option for Milan.

regarding Arteta, I don;t think he will cut it in Italy even as a back-up player. Spain or England is the place for him, not Italy ... he will be eaten alive in calcio and won't find the space he needs to show his skills ... and him being Spanish, doesn't exactly insrease his chances of Milan going after him.
Pretty good player, overall, but it would be best for both sides, Milan and Arteta, if he stays in EPL/La Liga and try to find himself a better team that can actually play football 'cause his current one is not the place to be at if he wants to develop his talent even further.

Montolivo - great promise in this youngster but it would be best for him to stay at a team where he would be getting more regular football, at least for now. He is still young and there is no guarantee if he will live up to the expectations or will be just another flop - he can still go either way, I think.
Also, Fiorentina will not be easy to convince to sell, not for less than 10-15 mil and for this money we could get an established player, not one who might make it but mislo not make it.
All in all, we should keep him in mind but it's a bit too early for him to come to milan.

Regarding those defenders, I don;t see how Pepe or Luisao would improve our defense. IMO they are good defenders but that's about it. of course time is still on their side and they can improve but I don't think they will ever reach the status of a Cannavaro, Nesta, Ferdinand, Terry, Puyol, Thuram, etc, etc and with maldini retiring, that's the type of player we will need.
Also, Juve seem to be very close to signing Luisao for next year when they will be back in Serie A.

If you are looking for a young defender, who is already better than either of these two, and will only get better, take a look at Zapata from udinese ... Milan and other clubs are already hot on his heals.
As for Alex (the one from PSV, I assume) I think he should be our top priority for an immediate replacement of maldini/Billy in CD with mexes/chivu coming in close second place.

For CF, if we get Ronaldinho and with Rijkaard on his way out too, barca would keep Eto'o - Laporta is keen on the guy, a lot - so I don;t see much reason to include him in our transfer market plans and discussions, at least not in the "realistic" ones.
Also, I doubt Milan would go for both Dinho and Eto'o in one year, and of the two, it would be the Brazilian who is on Silvio's heart and mind.
If Dinho comes, I would expect to see Milan retain 3 important strikers - Gila, Ronaldo, RO/Inzaghi, and a youngster like Aubumeyang on the side in the youth team.

If Inzaghi goes, I guess that makes Huntelaar an option but I doubt Milan would be too keen on him right now given that he's having a pretty average season with Ajax and is even having trouble find place on the first team as of late ... that could easily make Milan see him as a one-season wonder and prefer someone else over him (hint: Pizarro from Bayern will be a free agent this summer ;)).
I personally like Huntelaar a lot but he is not making friends among Milan management with his poor form this season ... although, on the good side, this would make Ajax drop their demands in a possible transfer move.

zlatanov
16-02-2007, 10:05
According to that article Gilardino may be Juve's player ;) . Those are only speculations about Juve's summer possibile transfers, in and out from Juve.
From what we've read so far a deal between Juve and Milan has been made about Zebina.
Juve already bought Salihamidzic and Grygera on Zebina's position, so i very much doubt he'll stay in Juventus ;)
what that article says is that Gila is an option for Juve in their search for a Trez replacement ... something that's been around for months now. Nothing final, nothing substantial about it, just an option, along with pizarro, klose, and Toni, who seems to be the one with the grreatest chance of playing for Juve next year.

They are pretty firm, however, on what they said about Zebina - no "might" but "IS DESTINED TO REMAIN".

Also, Salihamidzic is more of a replacement (or more precisely an additional option to them) for camoranesi or one of the other wingers like marchioni and Nedved.
With grygera likely to be first choice at RB and Birindelli on the look out for retirement - like Favalli at Milan - Juve would still need a good back up at RB, and if he can be a back-up for CD too, why not keep Zebina.

I guess we'll know more in about 3-4 month's time :)

Tony29.
16-02-2007, 10:24
With grygera likely to be first choice at RB and Birindelli on the look out for retirement - like Favalli at Milan - Juve would still need a good back up at RB, and if he can be a back-up for CD too, why not keep Zebina.

I guess we'll know more in about 3-4 month's time :)
The problem is Zebina himself. He said numerous times how he wants to leave Juve. He was refusing to play for Juve for 3 months, and when he was finally forced to play (Juve had 5 injured defenders at the time) he got a red card ( it was obviously on purpose ), and another red card followed on his next match.
Even if Juve wants to keep him as a back-up, they are aware it will be a mistake. He's unhappy in B , he'll be unhappy as a back-up in A = must be sold !
Since Marchionni and Camoranesi are both right wings, then , if none of them leaves Juve, Salihamidzic will take the RB position.

Imo, Zebina will 100% leave Juventus on June. Will Milan be his next team we'll see in 3-4 months, as you said !

But Zebina is not what i'm worried about atm. I'm worried about the crazy rumour about Juve buying Toni for 50 M Euro ( wages included) . If it's not true, then those journalists should be fired ASAP. If it's true, Secco needs to check his head !

zlatanov
16-02-2007, 10:41
I think the main issue was playing B as Ibra, Trez and Camo were, and still are, unhappy about it ... but with Juve back in A, the management will need to build 3/4 of a team from scratch so they will need to retain good/decent back up players because a lot of money will be spend on other players like Toni, CDs and so on. if they let Zebina go, that would mean that a replacement will have to be found and no matter how much you guys hate him, you won't find many better players out there for free.

As for him, he probably realizes that at 30 yo, playing at Juve in Serie A is just about the max he could expect for the rest of his career. Maybe he changed his mind and decided that being a back up at Juve is better than playing more regularly for Empoli or Messina ... plus, those teams will hardly be able to match his Juve salary, so a move to a smaller team would inevitably mean a BIG salary cut for him too.

As for Toni, those rumours are just insane, even if they include his salary for the next 4-5 years. last year, when toni was a year younger and had just been crowned WC winner and had just set a Serie A record for most goals scored, Fiorentina were asking for 20 mil euros for him to go to Inter but the cousins didn't wanna pay that much for a 28-29 yo player and went for Ibra and Crespo instead.
So, even if Juve meets Fiorentina's asking price from last year, which a I doubt, if those rumours were true, that leaves 30 mil for Toni's salary for the next 4-5 years, which is probably twice what his salary will be in the end.

my estimate is that, including his projected salary over a 4-5 year contract, Toni would cost Juve around 30-35 mil EUROS, not BP as it was mentioned in that article.
Or maybe what the articel got wrong was the currency - euros instead of BP - because a figure of 35 mil sounds about right to me.

Tony29.
16-02-2007, 10:49
I think the main issue was playing B as Ibra, Trez and Camo were, and still are, unhappy about it ... but with Juve back in A, the management will need to build 3/4 of a team from scratch so they will need to retain good/decent back up players because a lot of money will be spend on other players like Toni, CDs and so on. if they let Zebina go, that would mean that a replacement will have to be found and no matter how much you guys hate him, you won't find many better players out there for free.

As for him, he probably realizes that at 30 yo, playing at Juve in Serie A is just about the max he could expect for the rest of his career. Maybe he changed his mind and decided that being a back up at Juve is better than playing more regularly for Empoli or Messina ... plus, those teams will hardly be able to match his Juve salary, so a move to a smaller team would inevitably mean a BIG salary cut for him too.

Yes, i can't say this is not true and logical.
But those reports from few days ago make you think he'll leave Juve :
"Reports coming out of Italy suggest that the Rossoneri are in agreement with Juventus over the defender, who will move to the San Siro in the summer
France-born Juventus defender Jonathan Zebina is all set to put on Milan's red and black shirt come next season, after the two club's struck a deal over the out-of-favour defender.

Zebina being out of favour at Juve, and in particular with coach Didier Deschamps, is said to have helped the move along..........



Now, we may asume this is also just a speculation, but we know how fast Galliani is in denying similar rumours. This time neather he , neather Secco ( who also denies everything connected to Gigi's, Trez', Camo's move) said a single word to deny such option.
And it's not a rumour that doesn't even deserves to be denied, like some " Milan is interested in xxxx " rumour.
This time it's said "two club's struck a deal over the out-of-favour defender".
If it's not true, i'm sure we would have heard smthg from Galliani or Secco !

Tony29.
16-02-2007, 10:53
Lol, and our litle discussion here is enough to conclude how good Zebina is.

We have a Juve player ( Zebina) . I'm trying to find facts why he should leave Juve and go to Milan, and you're trying to find facts why shouldn't he leave Juve and go to Milan.

If we change the name Zebina , with Buffon, we'll be 100% changing our position in this discussion :)

zlatanov
16-02-2007, 11:03
Good point :D

Actually, I don't mind Zebina as a back up player as long as he's for free and his arrival doens;t mean that Milan won;t go for another good attcking RB to take cafu's place and share that position with Oddo. For instance, I wouldn't mind having Zebina play favalli's role on the team.
The main issue I have with him is that he's injury prone as what good a back player is for, if he's gonna spend most of the time either being injured or trying to find his form after coming out of an injury.
other than that, Zebina is an OK player by me, and his usual 1 blunder/game apart, was pretty good for Roma and Juve (in his first season that is).

Jim_UK
16-02-2007, 13:45
without even considering the amount of time he spends injured or even the mistakes he might make in a game defensively, the thing that worries me most about him is his rashness. It seems he's just waiting to come in hard on someone and is always looking to get booked or sent off, that's a liability we don't want even if he is free. So no thanks Juve, you can keep him. We can do alot better.

Jim_UK
16-02-2007, 13:59
I personally don't think Alex is that great a defender, i think there are better players out there for us to look at.

Alongside Zlat's mention of Zapata i would add Alexsis, he's been a revelation this season even though he's had an injury, he is definately a youngster to keep an eye on.

Given the strikers we have i don't think Huntelaar would be a good addition unless Gilardino leaves. We need pace more than anything up front, only Oliveira can provide this (i don't expect Ronaldo to regain the defense frightening speed he had, though i live in hope), i don't think we would need another target man.

As for Arteta, i'm not so sure. I personally would prefer someone like Maresca, one of the few Italians to be a success in Spain, i think he could do a better job, though i might be totally wrong.

Given that it's highly possible we will be spending a fortune on Ronaldinho, the only way i see us forking out another load of cash for Montilivo is if we sell them Gilardino. With the striker merry-go-round rumours i guess that could happen.

zlatanov
16-02-2007, 14:32
wtaching Lille-Lyon right now and may I say Cris and Abidal are looking GOOOOOD ;)
Malouda aint too shabby either :D

here are some links for the game (recomm. Sports Channel 2 on Sopcast):
http://myp2p.eu/Matches/Match3.htm

Jim_UK
16-02-2007, 14:45
for me Abidal & Zambrotta, combined with Oddo and Jankulovski would give us so much strength in depth in the full-back areas. But i guess that line of thinking has to go into the fantasy signings thread :moan:

zlatanov
16-02-2007, 14:52
for me Abidal & Zambrotta, combined with Oddo and Jankulovski would give us so much strength in depth in the full-back areas. But i guess that line of thinking has to go into the fantasy signings thread :moan:
well, true ... it does belong in the fantasy signings :D
I would be fine with Oddo and Faubert/Reveillere/Marzoratti at RB and Janku and Zambrotta/Abidal at LB ...
see, I am much more modest in my demands :sagrin:

Milan_Mad
16-02-2007, 15:00
for me Abidal & Zambrotta, combined with Oddo and Jankulovski would give us so much strength in depth in the full-back areas. But i guess that line of thinking has to go into the fantasy signings thread :moan:We would have the strongest foursome of full backs in europe

Jim_UK
16-02-2007, 15:12
well, true ... it does belong in the fantasy signings :D
I would be fine with Oddo and Faubert/Reveillere/Marzoratti at RB and Janku and Zambrotta/Abidal at LB ...
see, I am much more modest in my demands :sagrin:


hahaha ... that list is infinitely more modest :delol: Maybe that should be in the 'not quite fantasy but extremely unlikely' thread ... the next one down from mine :devf:

joumasepoes
16-02-2007, 23:35
I think were more likely to get Heinze. And I think that Marzoratti will be backup to Oddo. I heard that Barcelona want to sell Ronaldinho or Eto'o in order to buy Ronaldo. imo this is stupid but its not my problem if its true. Does anyone know if we have been linked to Eto'o?
It would be intresting to see if what is going to happen in the GK area. I do hope we sign Buffon.
now for the engine room, the midfield. I seriously hope Milan goes for a more dominant midfielder instead of Sneijder or Lampard, to help out Pirlo. Who I dont know? Ribery perhaps? Again this is fantasy speculation but anything is possible

joumasepoes
16-02-2007, 23:40
Good point :D

Actually, I don't mind Zebina as a back up player as long as he's for free and his arrival doens;t mean that Milan won;t go for another good attcking RB to take cafu's place and share that position with Oddo. For instance, I wouldn't mind having Zebina play favalli's role on the team.
The main issue I have with him is that he's injury prone as what good a back player is for, if he's gonna spend most of the time either being injured or trying to find his form after coming out of an injury.
other than that, Zebina is an OK player by me, and his usual 1 blunder/game apart, was pretty good for Roma and Juve (in his first season that is).
No thanks, I'd rather keep Marzoratti here as backup then have him. Having a
an injury prone player is a liability,

zlatanov
17-02-2007, 06:19
Galliani is a long-time admirere of Eto'o so I am sure he constantly on the lookout for any signs that he might be leaving barca.
Still, I think we are going for Dinho and Barca will only sell one between Eto'o and Dinho as it would be too risky to deprive the team of two important players at the same time.
Plus Dinho is the one from whose sale they would be able to get more money and finance a possible transfer for C. Ronaldo.

Graeme C
17-02-2007, 06:56
Rumours ive heard the last couple of days is that Juve want Gilardino, they are considering a Buffon - Gilardino trade..

Kaka1899
17-02-2007, 07:08
may sound but is Gila buffon swap worth it?

zlatanov
17-02-2007, 07:09
yeah these speculations have been around but I doubt Milan would let Gila go as we will probably want to preserve the Italian identity of the team and Gila and Toni are just about the only quality Italian strikers right now ... maybe Rossi will soon join them but he is still a promising talent.
the possibility of getting Buffon in exchange is indeed tempting but I would expect Milan to be willing to offer only cash for him without including Gila in the transfer ... with that money, Juve can go after Toni, who seems to be their first option anyway.

Tony29.
17-02-2007, 11:46
Good point :D

Actually, I don't mind Zebina as a back up player as long as he's for free and his arrival doens;t mean that Milan won;t go for another good attcking RB to take cafu's place and share that position with Oddo. For instance, I wouldn't mind having Zebina play favalli's role on the team.
The main issue I have with him is that he's injury prone as what good a back player is for, if he's gonna spend most of the time either being injured or trying to find his form after coming out of an injury.
other than that, Zebina is an OK player by me, and his usual 1 blunder/game apart, was pretty good for Roma and Juve (in his first season that is).
And hear this - Zebina came back after the suspension and was , together with Del Piero, the best player on the field today.
Like he found the motivation again. Smthg must have happened in the meantime !

zlatanov
17-02-2007, 12:27
And hear this - Zebina came back after the suspension and was , together with Del Piero, the best player on the field today.
Like he found the motivation again. Smthg must have happened in the meantime !
well, in that case that article saying that Zebina is staying at Juve was completely wrong :D

hishamilan
17-02-2007, 15:28
i realised un suitability of arteta and montolivo and i think we must first sort our priorities:
1)dida's replacement: buffon< too expensive >
amelia < very good >
steklenberg < promising+cheap>
2)maldini and billy "s replacment: alex psv < excellent >
heinze < good but not probably >
barzagli < excellent but going to juve >
mertetsacker < great >
3)overall midfeild backup: sneider < technical but weak and injury-jinxed >
bodmer lille <excellent >
lucho gonzalez < very good but commited and exp.>
4)inzaghi's replacement: etoo < great and likely due to recent events >
klose < great and avilable >
pizzaro < not milan's class >
huntelaar < cheap talented young >

Stezagud
17-02-2007, 15:46
heinze < good but not probably >

Heinze is a probable signing, Evra is undisputed first choice at Utd now and Bale is very likely to join in the summer. As a Utd fan i'd be sad to see him go but there is no way he'd sign a new contract at Utd to be 3rd choice left back.

joumasepoes
18-02-2007, 01:31
An Eto'o purchase would make the sale of Gilardino a bit easier to get Buffon, but I would personally like to see them paired up. Im sure Milan will buy Eto'o if our offer for Ronaldinho is rejected. Looking at our trends over the couple of seasons we would probably only make 1 big purchase and the other players would be cheap or free:

Ronaldinho/Eto'o: 50 million plus
Pizzaro(Bayern)/Saviola - Free
Heinze - Relatively cheap
Lucas Leiva gremio - 6 million euros
A Goalkeeper - anyones guess
A CB if Billy/Maldini hangs up the boots(not sure who but wouldnt spend too much if the bank was opened for Eto'o/Dinho)

Id like to ask my good friend Braseilero how Lucas has faired over the last couple of months? Would he be still worth getting?

muhamad10
18-02-2007, 05:13
---------------Ronaldo/Gilardino Oliveira/Quagliarella

Robben/Jankulovski Pirlo/Seedorf Gattusso/Ambrosini Kaka/Gourcuff

------Heinze/Grimi Nesta/Kaladze Bonera/Molinaro Oddo/Marzoratti

-------------------------Amelia/Coppola

Jim_UK
18-02-2007, 05:43
Lucas Leiva gremio - 6 million euros

Id like to ask my good friend Braseilero how Lucas has faired over the last couple of months? Would he be still worth getting?

It seems Juventus are still the ones most strongly linked with him, which seems a shame. If we could add Lucas to Barusso (if we indeed have got him or will get him) it would stand our midfield in good stead for the future.

A future midfield of Gourcuff-Lucas-Barusso would be something :D

zlatanov
18-02-2007, 06:33
Heinze is a probable signing, Evra is undisputed first choice at Utd now and Bale is very likely to join in the summer. As a Utd fan i'd be sad to see him go but there is no way he'd sign a new contract at Utd to be 3rd choice left back.
staza, when does his current contract expire?
I remember reading something about him becoming a free agent this summer but then read somewhere else that he has at least 1 more year left on his current contract.

I like Heinze a lot and see him as a cheaper alternative to Abidal. Juve seem to be after him too, though.

Jim_UK
18-02-2007, 07:41
Heinze seems more like a Kaladze style defender, i.e. a player who can play both CB and LB rather than an out right LB like Abidal.

It would be nice to get both :D Sorry, there go my fantasy tendencies again :guw:

Stezagud
18-02-2007, 08:54
His contract runs out in June so he would be available on a free this summer, though he has said he wants to stay in Manchester.

It all seems to hinge on whether Utd sign Bale, which seems likely as he supposedly rejected a £10m move to Spurs last month because he wants to join Utd instead.

Ghost
18-02-2007, 09:03
His contract runs out in June so he would be available on a free this summer, though he has said he wants to stay in Manchester.

Yeh with Pearce as his new boss

rosoneri_11
18-02-2007, 09:33
Left back for milan???

Abidal! and again ABIDAL!!!HE IS THE BEST!

hishamilan
18-02-2007, 12:38
i realised un suitability of arteta and montolivo and i think we must first sort our priorities:
1)dida's replacement: buffon< too expensive >
amelia < very good >
steklenberg < promising+cheap>
2)maldini and billy "s replacment: alex psv < excellent >
heinze < good but not probably >
barzagli < excellent but going to juve >
mertetsacker < great >
3)overall midfeild backup: sneider < technical but weak and injury-jinxed >
bodmer lille <excellent >
lucho gonzalez < very good but commited and exp.>
4)inzaghi's replacement: etoo < great and likely due to recent events >
klose < great and avilable >
pizzaro < not milan's class >
huntelaar < cheap talented young >
ZLATANOV STEZAGUD ROSSONERO 11 pick up the best from those and discuss with me

Arildonardo
18-02-2007, 12:44
Heinze is a probable signing, Evra is undisputed first choice at Utd now and Bale is very likely to join in the summer. As a Utd fan i'd be sad to see him go but there is no way he'd sign a new contract at Utd to be 3rd choice left back.
And a 3rd choice at Man Utd is good enough for Milan? I don't think so... :5milan:

kastriot
18-02-2007, 12:59
And a 3rd choice at Man Utd is good enough for Milan? I don't think so... :5milan:

Well it showed in the past that a second or third choice to Inter became pretty much great players for us ( Pirlo, Seedorf, Simic) and now hope Ronaldo makes the list to!!

Tony29.
18-02-2007, 13:30
I think i found the next big thing comming from Eastern/Southern Europe :)

And he's not comming from Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria or Romania. He's comming from the land of current EURO Champions , Greece.

I'm talking about 16 years old wunderkid from Panathinaicos, Sotiris Ninis.
I wanted to write about him 1 month ago but i decided to wait a while and see what will he do.
And i watched him today in Athens derby , AEK-Panathinaicos, and i'm speechless.
He scored one goal and assisted 3 more goals. During the match he made fools out of AEK players. He's just 16 for Christ sake, i still can't believe a 16 years old was doing things to AEK defence even Kaka and co. didn't do this year.

He's way to young to be given a place in an Italian team. But if someone's smart enough he'll buy him now, loan him, and wait if he can develop well.
No risk at all, and i'm sure he'll become big one day !

Kaka1899
18-02-2007, 13:34
even if Milan loaned him i doubt he would play even Gourcuff cant get a ame for love no money so im not doubting his ability as iv never seen him play but what would be the chances of him playing slim imo.

zlatanov
18-02-2007, 14:06
I think i found the next big thing comming from Eastern/Southern Europe :)

And he's not comming from Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria or Romania. He's comming from the land of current EURO Champions , Greece.

I'm talking about 16 years old wunderkid from Panathinaicos, Sotiris Ninis.
I wanted to write about him 1 month ago but i decided to wait a while and see what will he do.
And i watched him today in Athens derby , AEK-Panathinaicos, and i'm speechless.
He scored one goal and assisted 3 more goals. During the match he made fools out of AEK players. He's just 16 for Christ sake, i still can't believe a 16 years old was doing things to AEK defence even Kaka and co. didn't do this year.

He's way to young to be given a place in an Italian team. But if someone's smart enough he'll buy him now, loan him, and wait if he can develop well.
No risk at all, and i'm sure he'll become big one day !
I also read about this guy but had my reservations due to the usual hype that goes around most of the time for no reason at all.
But given what he did in a high profile game like the greek derby, and him being a 16 yo who just recently came into the senior team from the youth formations, I have to agree that this is not something you see everyday.

Stezagud
18-02-2007, 14:22
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actually your whole list is pretty good, its just a case of getting the right few from it. I dont like saying who we should buy until we know what money will be available and we cant know that for sure until CL participation is ensured. Heinze obviously is different as he would potentially cost nothing anyway ;)

Stezagud
18-02-2007, 14:28
And a 3rd choice at Man Utd is good enough for Milan? I don't think so...

thats ignoring the circumstances though. Evra and Heinze have battled for 1st choice but on current form Evra is amongst the best on the planet and has been integral to Utds league form thus far. There is no shame in Heinze being sub to him at the moment.

The Bale situation is complicated because he is only 17 and Heinze will still be a superior player but Utd have to buy Bale soon because otherwise he will end up at Chelsea, Arsenal, Real, Liverpool or someone else. It is an investment for the future and will most likely be a big investment, £10m or so. When you spend that much money on someone they cannot be 3rd in line and will have to play occasionally, so basically Heinze is just a victim of circumstance, he is not detiorating as a player and is still worthy of Milan. I do worry his psychotic streak may not be totally suited to Serie A though :D

Tony29.
18-02-2007, 14:56
I also read about this guy but had my reservations due to the usual hype that goes around most of the time for no reason at all.
But given what he did in a high profile game like the greek derby, and him being a 16 yo who just recently came into the senior team from the youth formations, I have to agree that this is not something you see everyday.
Ninis is a small guy. Something like Diego and Rosicky, so i really don't know if he can make it in serie A someday, even when he'll be much older.
But he's substituting his "handicap" with great pace and incredibille technique.
He played his first professional match this January. He was in PAO's youngsters, but the coach Vitor Munoz saw the huge potential and included him in the first team. On that first match against Egaleao he wasn't good .............. he was SENSATIONAL.
Since then he's a real hit.
He plays as a Right Midfielder , and so far, on the 7 matches he played for Panathinaicos, he was always the best player on the field, scoring 2 and assisting 5 goals.

It's hard to find videos of him, but i managed to find some of his goals and assists :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQIY5qsMDfk (goal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaBKvsN4Mfc (assist)
http://www.goal4replay.net/GoalWatch.asp?ID=1237&Ln=En ( goal)
http://www.goal4replay.net/GoalWatch.asp?ID=1240&Ln=En ( assist)
http://www.goal4replay.net/GoalWatch.asp?ID=1236&Ln=En ( assist from corner)

Assisting goals is what this boy does best, but he's also great in putting the opponents defence in panic with his pace.
Still, he's only 16 and i think we can talk more seriously after 2-3 years.

zlatanov
18-02-2007, 15:19
i realised un suitability of arteta and montolivo and i think we must first sort our priorities:
1)dida's replacement: buffon< too expensive >
amelia < very good >
steklenberg < promising+cheap>
2)maldini and billy "s replacment: alex psv < excellent >
heinze < good but not probably >
barzagli < excellent but going to juve >
mertetsacker < great >
3)overall midfeild backup: sneider < technical but weak and injury-jinxed >
bodmer lille <excellent >
lucho gonzalez < very good but commited and exp.>
4)inzaghi's replacement: etoo < great and likely due to recent events >
klose < great and avilable >
pizzaro < not milan's class >
huntelaar < cheap talented young >

goalkeepers:
as Steza said, it's a good list no doubt but at this point in time is more or less irelevent as we still don't know how much, approximately, Milan would be willing to spend thissummer and on what type of players.
But still, here's my take on the players:

buffon - true he is expensive, very expensive, but if there is a keeper out there who's better than Dida, in ceratin aspects at least, that's buffon. At 29 yo, he has at least 4-5 excellent years ahead of him, so if Milan can make space for him in our budget, I think he would be worth going for.

I have to say though that I am having a liking for Akinfeev (a bit inexperineced IMO for an immediate starter at Milan), Coupet, and Reina (from Liverpool) ... I wouldn't mind any of these at Milan.

Amelia - as time goes on I am starting to think he's a bit overhyped as he tends to let in too many goals, and does that often and won't be as cheap as Stekelenburg, who I am starting to prefer over the Italian.

Defense:

Alex - one of my favourite choices for a CD as he has the type of physical presence that is simply a must against tall and physical strikers, who become more and more popular these days. He has great tactical awareness too and is surprisingly mobile and quick for a player of his size. He's been one of the best players in Holland for second year running and was great for PSV vs Milan.

I am particularly keen on Cris from Lyon ... very impressive defender, neither too young nor too old, and has everything I could ask for in a defender.

Mexes and Chivu are two other good options I think, while Zapata is easily among the best of the younger generation of CD coming in.

Heinze or Abidal, I'd be happy with either of them, and if Heinze is gonna be a free agent soon, it's a no brainer from a financial point of view. They are both solid at LB, pretty good going forward and can play CD if necessary. I think Abidal has a slight edge but if he's gonna cost us 15 mil and Heinze nothing, then I guess Heinze it is :).

Mertesacker had a great world cup, best German defender hands down. I think he is an interesting option although I am not sure how he would fare against the tricky and agile attackers in Italy.

Barzagli - overrated IMO. I personally expect him to be another Legrotaglie ... wouldn't want him at Milan unless he was available for free, and he isn't - looking at a pricetag of around 15 mil on hishead, I guess.

Midfield:
sneijder - very undecided on the guy. one day he is great the other - total loss of space on the team. Seems to me he tends to pick up his game against a lesser opposition that gives him enough space in. very weak physically and don;t see him doing much defesnive work in mifield.

Diego - a better alternative to Sneijder IMO. Has really picked up his game after a rather poor first season in Europe. Will cost more than sneijder but sometimes you do get what you pay for.

Lucho Gonzalez - my first choice for a new midfielder in Milan. Can do just about everything in football - score with both legs and headers, assist goals, defend in midfield, and is pretty quick too. Caould play in Seedorf's and Prilo's position and maybe even Kaka's. Will be expensive, no doubt about that, but will be worth every penny I think.

Bodmer - an interesting alternative indeed. Very underrated player IMO, could play in Kaka's and probably also in Pirlo's role. I personally would prefer him to Sneijder.

Daniel Carvalho - another option for a Diego/Bodmer type of player.

Forwards:

Eto'o - IMO there is no point in dicussing him unless he sets it in his mind that he wants to leave and aks for a transfer.
I, personally, am divided on him - think he is a bit too wasteful as a striker and his game is based on a whole bunch of creative players (Dinho, Messi, Giuly, Deco, Xavi, Iniesta) show a moment of genious to create a goal scoring opportunity for him, rather than do that for himself ... and not just that but he usually needs 3-4 GREAT, not good but great, chances to score only 1 of them.
He relies way too heavily on running down an empty corridor by using the great patches of space that Spanish defenses give the opposing attackers ... the thing is that in Italy he won't find such freedom in those tightly packed defenses.
I know that for most fans out there he is the hottest striker in football right now but IMO he will be a disappointment in Italy, at least to an extent that is.

David Villa - one of the few Spanish players I have ever wanted to see in Italy and Milan because he's one of the few who I think have the chance of actually making it on the Peninsula. If Milan is looking to spend big money on a striker, I would rather have Villa than Eto'o because Villa is not only a far better finisher than Eto'o but he, unlike the Cameroonian, doesn't need someone else to create chances for him as Villa does that on his own and often sets up his teammates too.
A truely complete striker IMO with his lack of height being his only drawback but that's in some aspects only as sometimes it's a plus.

Huntelaar - one of the best young strikers out there who I think would be a great replacement for Pippo Inzaghi, although he is unproven at the big stage against more serious opposition.
This season is pretty average for him - he's spend a considerable amount of time on the bench even - and I hope this will drive his price down 'cause he won;t be as cheap as you might think - Ahax set a record for Holland when they bought him for around 9 mil from Heerenveen, so I would expect they'd want soemthing like 15 mil for him.

Pizarro - I think he is an excellent player, although a bit inconsistent. when in form however, notmany are better finishers than him and he has a very good vision of the game as he often sets up his teammates ... and here is the best part - he will be a free agent this summer and has a EU passport ;)

Klose - very good striker, very capable but if I had to choose between him for 15+ mil and Pizarro for free, I won't spend a sec thinking about it and would go for the Chilean. Also, Iwould rather go for Huntelaar (4-5 years younger) over Klose too.

zlatanov
18-02-2007, 15:27
Ninis is a small guy. Something like Diego and Rosicky, so i really don't know if he can make it in serie A someday, even when he'll be much older.
But he's substituting his "handicap" with great pace and incredibille technique.
He played his first professional match this January. He was in PAO's youngsters, but the coach Vitor Munoz saw the huge potential and included him in the first team. On that first match against Egaleao he wasn't good .............. he was SENSATIONAL.
Since then he's a real hit.
He plays as a Right Midfielder , and so far, on the 7 matches he played for Panathinaicos, he was always the best player on the field, scoring 2 and assisting 5 goals.

Assisting goals is what this boy does best, but he's also great in putting the opponents defence in panic with his pace.
Still, he's only 16 and i think we can talk more seriously after 2-3 years.
you know how to wake up a Milan fan's apetite, don't ya? :D

As for him being too small for Serie A, I think Maradona, Zola, Baggio, Cassano and a whole bunch of other smaller calibre players will have soemthing to say to you :sagrin:

Small size has it's pluses too - it makes those players more maneuvarable, not necessarily faster on a straight distance, but more agile as they don;t carry much weight and more importantly their cenetr of gravity is closer to the ground and they can be quite a menace for the opposing defenses - nowadays Messi is a player who well shows the advantages of having a smaller build.

So, rest assured I will mention this guy to my buddy Adriano when we have our coffee tomorrow morning. :D

Tony29.
18-02-2007, 15:43
So, rest assured I will mention this guy to my buddy Adriano when we have our coffee tomorrow morning. :D
Ahhh, Milan ....always late.
I mentioned him to my buddy Secco 20 days ago and he's already in Athens with all the papers required for Ninis to sign. ( Moggi will be proud of me :) )
Better luck next time :devs:

zlatanov
18-02-2007, 16:04
... Moggi will be proud of me :) ...
doubt it - nothing of what you've done is against regulations with you getting away with it ... hence, you measure way too low on his "business" scale :grinser:

Tony29.
18-02-2007, 16:17
doubt it - nothing of what you've done is against regulations with you getting away with it
Actually , regarding Ninis transfer to Juve, i also did smth illega...... ups, i better stop now. You never know what to expect from Massimo M.
Looks like his fingers are everywhere nowdays. :tong:
But even if i didn't do anything illegal to make Ninis come to Juve, the smile on his face when i told him he can humiliate Milan and Inter was enough for me to conclude he's a Juventino, like most of Panathinaicos fans.
:D


Joke aside, i really hope this small Greek boy will make it some day, and i'd like it to be in Italy, no matter in which club. He knows how to play football and Italian football needs as much talented players possibile !

Blacktop
18-02-2007, 22:10
buffon - true he is expensive, very expensive, but if there is a keeper out there who's better than Dida, in ceratin aspects at least, that's buffon. At 29 yo, he has at least 4-5 excellent years ahead of him, so if Milan can make space for him in our budget, I think he would be worth going for.

I have to say though that I am having a liking for Akinfeev (a bit inexperineced IMO for an immediate starter at Milan), Coupet, and Reina (from Liverpool) ... I wouldn't mind any of these at Milan.

Amelia - as time goes on I am starting to think he's a bit overhyped as he tends to let in too many goals, and does that often and won't be as cheap as Stekelenburg, who I am starting to prefer over the Italian.
The only problem with guys like Buffon, Coupet or Reina is that they've got quite a bit of mileage on them already (yes, even Buffon). We picked up Storari as a short-term solution; we need someone who can uphold the shirt for years to come.

I agree about Amelia. I don't understand why so many people think he's some kind of godsend. If I hear people mention him in the same breath as Dida's replacement again, I think I'll throttle someone.

nefremo
18-02-2007, 22:46
Good overview on those players Zlat and I agree with most of it except a couple. :D

Barzagli I think is a great player. I don't know if he is overrated(about the cost as he hasn't proved in a big club yet) but he is definately one of the best defenders in Italy. To say that he will be the next Legrotaglie is simply not fair to him. That is pure speculation and yes, it is very possible that he might end up like that but we should wait and see. Right now he is doing great and he has been doing great for a couple of years now so there is nothing there to point that he will go in Legrotaglie's direction. I guess untill he goes to a big club we will never know.
You mention Zapata, but Zapata has a bigger chance of flopping then Barzagli I think, so why he would be a better option I don't know.

Cris I think is an good player, but something tells me that the big clubs are for some reason not interested in him. At one point last year he was even trying to "sell himself" by releasing comments of how he admires other clubs. And yet, nobody got him. Some big clubs needed defenders this year (Real,Milan,Barca got a few) but yet none of them moved for him. We read a lot of media rummors, but truthfully there was obviously nobody in for Cris.
Again, I think he is a good player and I agree with you that might be a good option but I just can't figure out why big clubs don't move in for him and he is already 31(I think).

Another one, Eto'o. I understand that he gets a lot of opportunities because he has so many creative players behind him, but he doesn't miss as many chances as you say he does. It is true that he does miss chances as do all other strikers but last year he became the first player in Spain to score over 50 goals in 2 seasons. I mean, how many do you want him to score??? Of course he misses some, but if he gives me on average over 25 goals a season in the league then we simply have no argument against him. He has scored 60 goals in 90 apperances for Barca (statistitians correct me if I am wrong). That is amazing. And I really dissagree that he relies on others to create for him(even though they really create a lot), because Eto'o is one of the leaders in assists in Barca. Obviously not this year as he hasn't played that much but in the beggining of the season and last year he was their leader in assists I think(or second best, not sure can't find the stats now). And even this year he has 3 assists in the CL to put him only behind Juninho who has 5. The guy can cerainly create and the stats show that.
Now about him not making it in Italy because of tight defences, again we will never know unless he comes to Italy. I think he can definatly make it because of his pace and his technical ability. He controlls the ball great under great speed and his shots are just amazing with both feet. He can kill the ball with either foot and can just fly by pretty much any defender out there. It is true that he uses the space given to him in Spain by the defenders which won't be given to him in Italy, but he has other qualities then just running as space. It would be interesting to see how events develop this summer.
We obviously have different oppinions on him, however you did say you are DIVIDED on him so I guess there is still a chance you might concider him. :D

Mystik
18-02-2007, 23:14
I'm with Zlat on Eto'o. I must say for Barcelona in a single match he'll probably get three 1 v 1 with the keeper and only put one of those away. Not saying he's bad but he just seems phenomenal because of the excellent midfield he has providing chance after chance for him.

Jim_UK
19-02-2007, 03:03
ControCampo (?) has us linked with Akinfeev to replace Dida. They also say that Berlusconi is the only one who can convince Buffon to leave but doesn't want to spend a huge amount on a keeper.

Meanwhile we are apparently entering the final phase of our Kaka-Ronaldo-Ronaldinho mission and trying hard for the Barcelona magician.

Not transfer rumours but news none-the-less, Ronaldo's fitness/weight is getting better and tests show he's still quite fast over 30m and to celebrate this he had dinner at Adriano's house along Cesar, Maxwell, Maicon and Stankovic.

Jim_UK
19-02-2007, 03:21
I think Coupet is a much undervalued keeper, he would/could be a great signing for us. Reina is a bit inconsistent, for a few games he'll have a couple of mistakes or rushes of blood and then for the next 20 games he'll be solid as a rock! But i think if there was enough interest in him from any team, this summer is the time to get him as i think Benitez will have another clear out.

I could see a possibility of trying for a Gilardino+some cash swap for Buffon and replacing him with Pizzaro, allowing us (berlusconi) to spend most of it on Ronaldinho. I don't know if that would be a good thing or a bad thing to be honest. Not the players, i mean the amount of money spent on 1 player as opposed to numerous players.

Horia CRINA
19-02-2007, 03:51
ControCampo (?) has us linked with Akinfeev to replace Dida.

is not a bad idea

Jim_UK
19-02-2007, 04:02
I've not seen enough of him to know if he's a good player or not, however the majority of people in here seem to rate him so i guess it might be a good option.

The mob rules and all that :delol:

zlatanov
19-02-2007, 06:35
Good overview on those players Zlat and I agree with most of it except a couple. :D

Barzagli I think is a great player. I don't know if he is overrated(about the cost as he hasn't proved in a big club yet) but he is definately one of the best defenders in Italy. To say that he will be the next Legrotaglie is simply not fair to him. That is pure speculation and yes, it is very possible that he might end up like that but we should wait and see. Right now he is doing great and he has been doing great for a couple of years now so there is nothing there to point that he will go in Legrotaglie's direction. I guess untill he goes to a big club we will never know.
You mention Zapata, but Zapata has a bigger chance of flopping then Barzagli I think, so why he would be a better option I don't know.

Oh, don't get me wrong - I am not saying that Barzagli for sure will be a flop ... it's just a a feeling, a gut feeling that I have about him - and his perfomance in quite a lot of games too :D - that made me call him a flop. So, yeah, of course it's a speculation but isn't saying that he will be the next best thing since sliced bread a speculation too? ... basically, at this point no one can say for sure whether barzagli will make it or not. Granted, if we follow all the noise surrounding him, one would think that there's a bigger chance that he will make it as opposed to that he would flop, but still anything can come out of him until he proves me, or you, wrong on the field wearing a Juve or a Milan shirt or whatever.

As for Zapata, I see him as one of the best emerging young defenders in Europe altogether, but that doesn't mean he will make it big as the guy is still 20 yo. Based, however, on his perfoamnces at this tender age, I think - again a speculation - that come him being 23-25 yo he will be a better defender than Barzagli is now or most if not all defenders who currently are 25 yo.

I am not, howeevr, saying that we should get a 20 yo Zapata and put him in the first team just yet. The best thing to do IMO would be to secure an option on him and let him stay at Udinese because right now what he needs is regular playing time, not warming Milan's bench, as there are more suitable choices for a CD right now - Mexes, Alex, Chivu, etc, etc.

Cris I think is an good player, but something tells me that the big clubs are for some reason not interested in him. At one point last year he was even trying to "sell himself" by releasing comments of how he admires other clubs. And yet, nobody got him. Some big clubs needed defenders this year (Real,Milan,Barca got a few) but yet none of them moved for him. We read a lot of media rummors, but truthfully there was obviously nobody in for Cris.
Again, I think he is a good player and I agree with you that might be a good option but I just can't figure out why big clubs don't move in for him and he is already 31(I think).

Cris is gonna be 30 this summer, not young definitely but not too old either and I see him as one of the best choices for a more experienced CD out there ... with Billy gone, Maldini leaving, and kaladze future at Milan probably in the balance, I think we'll be better off getting 1 experineced defender - like Cris - and 1 younger one, around 25 yo - like Mexes, Alex, etc.

As for why a bigger club hadn't gotten him yet, I think milan were very very interested in him last year and if it wasn;t for calciopoli, we would have almost certainly bought him.
Also, Cris has had ups and down in his career when he was young and his first experience in European football (with Bayer L. I think) was not much short of a small disaster. It's been a dif story, however, once he came back to Europe with lyon and in the next 3 years or so he assured himself a secure place in Lyon's CD. So, basically Cris came to prominence rather late in his career - at arounf the age of 27-28 and that's the main reason I think one of the big sharks hasn't bough him yet.
Plus Lyon aint too shabby a team either having had so much success in Europe too over the past 2-3 years.

And to top it all, other big clubs not going for cris but other players doesn;t mean that they are making a good decision by overlooking him ;).

Another one, Eto'o. I understand that he gets a lot of opportunities because he has so many creative players behind him, but he doesn't miss as many chances as you say he does. It is true that he does miss chances as do all other strikers but last year he became the first player in Spain to score over 50 goals in 2 seasons. I mean, how many do you want him to score??? Of course he misses some, but if he gives me on average over 25 goals a season in the league then we simply have no argument against him. He has scored 60 goals in 90 apperances for Barca (statistitians correct me if I am wrong). That is amazing. And I really dissagree that he relies on others to create for him(even though they really create a lot), because Eto'o is one of the leaders in assists in Barca. Obviously not this year as he hasn't played that much but in the beggining of the season and last year he was their leader in assists I think(or second best, not sure can't find the stats now). And even this year he has 3 assists in the CL to put him only behind Juninho who has 5. The guy can cerainly create and the stats show that.
Now about him not making it in Italy because of tight defences, again we will never know unless he comes to Italy. I think he can definatly make it because of his pace and his technical ability. He controlls the ball great under great speed and his shots are just amazing with both feet. He can kill the ball with either foot and can just fly by pretty much any defender out there. It is true that he uses the space given to him in Spain by the defenders which won't be given to him in Italy, but he has other qualities then just running as space. It would be interesting to see how events develop this summer.

I am not denying that Eto'o's record in Spain is very very impressive ... actually that's exactly why he is probably the most wanted striker in Europe right now and to most people the statement I made about him would sound like blesphemy :).
Records however have another side to them, not just the merely statistical one. For instance, Eto'o did score 25 goals/season but he did in a more attacking league and he did being helped by easily the most technical, creative and offensive midfield in football today with him being their only center forward i.e. the first guy in line to gather all those great chances they create.

Also, 25 goals tell only part of the story as what if he had 100 amazing chances in one season ... if you look at it this way, scoring 1/4 of them is no longer as impressive as it sounded in the first place when only the number of goals scored was mentioned. Because, if it was a Trezeguet, or a fit Ronaldo, or a Shevchenko, or an Henry, or a Toni in Eto'o's place, maybe just maybe, they would have scored 35-40 goals from that number of chances and not "just" 25.

I am looking at Eto'o's case from this aspect because I think that scoring freely in Spain may be a very ellusive statistics as it doesn't tell much about how that player would do in Iatlian Seire A where Eto'o will no longer have that much space to operate on and will no longer have that whole Barca midfield working for him ... and what matter for Milan in the end is not how well Eto'o's doing in Barca and Spain, but how well he would do, how suitable he is for Italian football ... and this is where just merely mentioning that he's a great striker because he has scored 25 goals in SPain comes a bit short, IMO.

Is it a speculation? of course it is as the only way to have anything more substantial to it would be for Milan to buy him and the he proves me or you wrong on the field ... but it's also a speculation to think he would make it in Italy just by look at his goals in Spain, with that midfield behind him, at times when barca was the best team in La Liga and winning titles with 10-15 pts advanatge over the closes rival.
We obviously have different oppinions on him, however you did say you are DIVIDED on him so I guess there is still a chance you might concider him. :D
as if it really matters what i think about him :guw:
Yeah, I am divided on him, but if you really wnat him at Milan, it's Silvio's and Galliani's consideration that you need, not mine :D

milanista mosta
19-02-2007, 07:56
Milan: addio a Dida, il futuro è il 21enne Akinfeev dal CSKA Mosca. Solo Berlusconi può convincere Buffon a lasciare la Juve, ma non vuole spendere troppo per un portiere.
Ancelotti: "Il Real Madrid si deve rassegnare, voglio altre 300 panchine in rossonero".

_MaJi_tz
19-02-2007, 08:21
Can Anyone transl this

Tony29.
19-02-2007, 08:32
Milan: addio a Dida, il futuro è il 21enne Akinfeev dal CSKA Mosca. Solo Berlusconi può convincere Buffon a lasciare la Juve, ma non vuole spendere troppo per un portiere.
Ancelotti: "Il Real Madrid si deve rassegnare, voglio altre 300 panchine in rossonero".
Milan : Bye Bye to Dida , the future is 21 years old Akinfeev from CSKA Moscow. Only Berlusconi can convince Buffon to leave Juve, but he doesn't wanna spend much on a keeper.
Ancelotti " Real Madrid must accept it, i want 300 more matches on Milan's bench ( 300 more matches as Milan's manager)

zlatanov
19-02-2007, 08:32
Milan is about to say goodbye to Dida and the future belongs to the 21 yo Akinfeev from CSKA Moskow. Berlusconi could convince Buffon to leave Juve for Milan but at the same time he doesn;t want to spend too much money on a GK.
Carlo says that real M will have to wait - reportedly they want him to replace Capello - as he wants another 300 games at the helm of Milan.

Tony29.
19-02-2007, 08:33
Milan is about to say goodbye to Dida and the future belongs to the 21 yo Akinfeev from CSKA Moskow. Berlusconi could convince Buffon to leave Juve for Milan but at the same time he doesn;t want to spend too much money on a GK.
Carlo says that real M will have to wait - reportedly they want him to replace Capello - as he wants another 300 games at the helm of Milan.
Beat ya. .....finally ! :)

zlatanov
19-02-2007, 08:35
OK, don't shoot I give up :D

mrki
19-02-2007, 09:47
If I see another 300 matches of Ancelotti in Milan I'll die! Akinfeev is ok keeper, very talented and perspective. We need money to build up our defence and CM, plus, we are clearly going for Ronaldinho so...

Jim_UK
19-02-2007, 10:18
Beat ya. .....finally ! :)

OK, don't shoot I give up


Actually i beat the pair of you and Milanista Mosta as i posted this rumour in the 'transfer rumours' thread this morning :guw:

HordeZla
19-02-2007, 10:39
i read this mourning that Rosoneri are interested in signing the mexican tequilla...he would be an exellent addition, and we could also use the scandalouse situation in Barca and bring him.

Tony29.
19-02-2007, 11:51
Defense:

Alex - one of my favourite choices for a CD as he has the type of physical presence that is simply a must against tall and physical strikers, who become more and more popular these days. He has great tactical awareness too and is surprisingly mobile and quick for a player of his size. He's been one of the best players in Holland for second year running and was great for PSV vs Milan.

Alex ( i guess you mean "The Tank" not some other Alex ? ) will be hard to get. He's a Chelsea player on loan to PSV. After the end of the season PSV has the option to buy him from Chelsea. If they do buy him, i don't know if they'll be willing to sell him immediately.
If they don't buy him then maybe Mourinho will see him as a solution for the defensive problems he has when Terry's not around.

Jim_UK
19-02-2007, 13:21
People were saying the same thing about Vincent Kompany, that he was a Chelsea player and yet he happily packed his bags and headed off to Germany. I don't remember Chelsea ever buying Alex outright and surely if he did belong to them they would have brought him back in January due to their defensive crisis. I can't imagine they'd have carried on playing Essien at CB when they had the Brazilian at hand.

They might have an option on him, but i don't think he's a Chelsea player. Personally even if he was a Chelsea player i think there are defenders equally as good as him who are available.

Tony29.
19-02-2007, 13:55
People were saying the same thing about Vincent Kompany, that he was a Chelsea player and yet he happily packed his bags and headed off to Germany. I don't remember Chelsea ever buying Alex outright and surely if he did belong to them they would have brought him back in January due to their defensive crisis. I can't imagine they'd have carried on playing Essien at CB when they had the Brazilian at hand.

They might have an option on him, but i don't think he's a Chelsea player. Personally even if he was a Chelsea player i think there are defenders equally as good as him who are available.
I read somewhere he has a 2 or 3 years loan contract with PSV, so Chelsea couldn't have brought him back in January just like that.
I'm not really surre if he's owned by Chelsea so i'll have to search for it !

Tony29.
19-02-2007, 14:02
On Wikipedia it is said he's Chelsea player on loan to PSV.
But i found out the whole story :) :


The imposing stopper joined PSV in the summer of 2004 on loan after being bought by Chelsea.

His stay at the Philips Stadion was scheduled to last for two seasons, at which point he was to move to Stamford Bridge.

However, he has not played a sufficient percentage of games for Brazil to qualify for a work permit in England, so he'll spend one more year in PSV.

Alex was part of the deal when Chelsea bought Kezman and Robben from PSV.
Chelsea can have him at the end of any season if they want him unless they decide they don't want him and then PSV have to pay a set fee to Chelsea to have him permanantly.

hishamilan
19-02-2007, 14:33
i am so sad by hearing those news about alex-chelsea situation, by the way i heard ninis has had several recent contacts from arsenal and he is close to sign pre contract

Jim_UK
19-02-2007, 14:33
Given all their recent defensive problems, i don't think i ever heard Mourinho talk about Alex. For me personally, i would have thought he might say something along the lines of "We have an ideal solution in Alex, but it's a pity we can't bring him in to solve our problems".

Because of Chelsea's power in the transfer market so many stories are made up, which makes it hard to tell fact from fiction. You might be right Tony, maybe Alex is a Chelsea player, but for some reason i don't believe it just yet. I guess we'll see this summer :dcool:

zlatanov
19-02-2007, 14:46
Toni, I have also read those "rumours" about him being a Chelski player on loan to PSV ... in fact, we've discussed it here at MM many times already.
But as you diligently researched :), Alex is more or less useless to Chelski as he doesn't have enough games for Brazil NT and this will make it impossible for him to get a work permit for England, unless he gets an English passport or a EU passport, I guess, which he doesn't have.

Furthermore, Dunga seems to have forgotten that he even exists because Alex is rarely if ever called up to the NT and with Lucio, Juan and the emerging Luisao (Benfica) and Adriano (Sevilla) before him in the pecking order, Alex is perfectly set to never get another game for brazil NT unless the coach is changed or he goes to a more prominent club and makes the CD role his own.

And as far as I know, the rules in England for a working permit say that that player has to have played in a certain percentage of games - it's a pretty high one, I think, like 70-80% or so - and he must have done so for the past 1-2 years ... not completely sure about these figures but the point is that even if Alex were to be called up to the NT now and he won a regular spot, he would still have to wait for quite some time before he'd be able to play for Chelski.

So, even if PSV don't get him and we have to deal with Chelski directly, a reasobale offer should be enough to land him as they don't really have much use of a player like Alex and it seems that won't change in the near future either.

That's why I see him as a very plausible alternative ...

Tony29.
19-02-2007, 14:55
ii heard ninis has had several recent contacts from arsenal and he is close to sign pre contract
In Greece Ninis is called "the 42-days-life footballer ". How the hell he can have several contacts with Arsenal when he started playing professionally after New Year ? :)
Those are just false rumours you heard. Vardinoyannis ( PAO'S owner) even made him new contract 2 weeks ago,for 3 years.*

* :) , yes, i started following even Greek football !

zlatanov
19-02-2007, 14:57
* :) , yes, i started following even Greek football !
you desperately wanna impress Moggi, don't ya? :D

Tony29.
19-02-2007, 15:16
you desperately wanna impress Moggi, don't ya? :D
Looool !
Nah, i'm just trying to improve my Greek, and i'm doing much better than with Italian, thanx God.
It's not so hard, you may try to learn it also.
I bet the ladies in Bulgaria will like you even more when you'll say an "Agapo" to them :)
Papazlatanopulous :D

Blacktop
19-02-2007, 19:10
Milan is about to say goodbye to Dida and the future belongs to the 21 yo Akinfeev from CSKA Moskow. Berlusconi could convince Buffon to leave Juve for Milan but at the same time he doesn;t want to spend too much money on a GK.
This rumor appeared on Calciomercato, which pretty much renders it meaningless. My favorite quote:

Berlusconi could convince Buffon to leave Juve for Milan but at the same time he doesn't want to spend too much money on a GK.
Um, well, that kinda puts him in a pickle, doesn't it? You can't pay for a Ferrari with the financial equivalent of a Geo Metro. Methinks someone has short-arm-deep-pocket syndrome. :rolleyes:

Jim_UK
20-02-2007, 04:12
This rumor appeared on Calciomercato, which pretty much renders it meaningless.

Why does it render it meaningless if it appeared on Calciomercato? :confused:

They didn't invent this rumour, inventing rumours isn't what they do, all they do is collect rumours from other sources like radio, tv, newspapers, websites from across Europe and put them all in one place.

If it's meaningless on Calciomercato it must be meaningless on whichever source it came from originally (ControCompo i believe, whatever that is).

rosoneri_11
20-02-2007, 04:34
Looool !
Nah, i'm just trying to improve my Greek, and i'm doing much better than with Italian, thanx God.
It's not so hard, you may try to learn it also.
I bet the ladies in Bulgaria will like you even more when you'll say an "Agapo" to them :)
Papazlatanopulous :D

HAHAHAHA! :smileani: Nice try Tony!

Well that guy of Pao's is really good, but wait for a litle time because Olympiakos the bigest enemy of Pao(Panathinaikos) had also bought a young albanian player who as i read he is better than the guy of Pao's!
So better to wait and see.

And tony the phrase in greek to say "i love you" is "s'agapo",and to say "i love you very much" is "s'agapo poli". :firedev:

ACMILAN1983
20-02-2007, 04:43
BMWTaylor, please could you edit your custom title/message to Dida bashers under your username, as profanity is against forum rules.

kris
20-02-2007, 04:50
although even now he is left out in many games (same goes for his situation in Argentinian NT).


He isn't left out of any games, he would play almost all the time had he not been injuried.

But on Pato I agree, I would hope we could do something like we did with Kaka where we let him mature some years in Brazil. There is one other important factor, if we take him over early then it maybe that he loses his Brazilian identity as a player which may not be beneficial.

zlatanov
20-02-2007, 05:57
And tony the phrase in greek to say "i love you" is "s'agapo",and to say "i love you very much" is "s'agapo poli". :firedev:
hey, thanks for telling us the whole phrase :rone:
Good thing I didn't use Toni's 'cause that could have easily ruined a perfect evening :D

rosoneri_11
20-02-2007, 06:14
hey, thanks for telling us the whole phrase :rone:
Good thing I didn't use Toni's 'cause that could have easily ruined a perfect evening :D

If you want to ask me more phrases, no problem to tell you. :grinser:

Tony29.
20-02-2007, 06:19
hey, thanks for telling us the whole phrase :rone:
Good thing I didn't use Toni's 'cause that could have easily ruined a perfect evening :D
It wouldn't have ruined anything :mad:
agapo is more of an international phrase and that's why i used it. Or agapw as it's said but no way a non-greek could have read it. I'm yet to hear an Englishman who says s'agapo...dunno why they find it so hard :rolleyes:
And if you really wanna impress the girls in Plovdiv tell it in original σας αγαπώ, that will work :grinser:

And lets get on topic for a change. Lets talk about the players Milan will buy in the summer. Everyone apart from Buffon can be discussed !!!
I'm using my mod powers and i'm forbidding Buffon to Milan discussions - period !

Jim_UK
20-02-2007, 06:29
I'm yet to hear an Englishman who says s'agapo...dunno why they find it so hard :rolleyes:

I don't know why they'd want to say it, unless they were with a Greek partner and who says we'd find it so hard to say? What a stupid remark.

Tony29.
20-02-2007, 06:32
I don't know why they'd want to say it, unless they were with a Greek partner and who says we'd find it so hard to say? What a stupid remark.
I'm so sorry Jim.
I ment , i'm yet to hear some stranger in Greece who speaks English and says it like it is in the original. ( stranger who speaks english =foreigners who talk to greeks in english)
I spend at least 3 months of the year in Greece and all the foreigners there say agapo instead of s'agapo !
Sorry for the confussion i made :shameonme:

Jim_UK
20-02-2007, 06:37
forget it tony, i'm sorry for snapping at you ...

I think we should sign Suazo in the summer, Suazo and Pizzaro.

rosoneri_11
20-02-2007, 06:43
Firstly:You can use an also good phrase wich is very popular, "you are beautifull" in greek "ise omorfi", "you are very beautifull" in greek "ise poli omorfi"

Back to the topic:
Milan will need in summer a GK,a DC, and a good striker as Borrielo i think he will be sold and Pipo will retire or give him on loan or on transfer.
In midfield i think gourcuff will win seedorf's position in midfield for next season and for ever from him.
So if next year we will have a midfield of Pirlo,Gattuso,Gourcuff,Kaka i think we are ok.
In defence i would like to see Albiol next of Nesta.For GK Akinfeev will be the best replacement for Dida.
And for a striker Ronaldinho or as a AM using the X-mas tree tactic then i think milan will have a great team.

Tony29.
20-02-2007, 06:48
Pizzaro.
Pizzaro will imo play in Italy next year, only the team where he'll play is still unknown. His father is Italian and Pizzaro himself has an Italian passport, and it gives even more chances for him to play in Italy.
Pizzaro already "offered" himself to Juve. He said he wants to move to Turin, the city of his grandfather and join Salihamidzic there ( there was an article on channel4 where this was said).

But Juve still didn't contact him so it leaves the door opened for other teams to try to get him.
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=445948&CPID=22&clid=156&lid=8&title=Pizarro+looks+to+Juve&channel=&

Jim_UK
20-02-2007, 06:56
Given that information Tony i guess he's already chosen Juve in his head, however if they aren't quick i'm sure another team may swoop in.

Speaking of Akinfeev, Arsenal have made contact with him according to him or his agent, one of the two mentioned it, i forget which. More than likely it is just gossip to stir up interest in the player.

mrki
20-02-2007, 07:45
Firstly:You can use an also good phrase wich is very popular, "you are beautifull" in greek "ise omorfi", "you are very beautifull" in greek "ise poli omorfi"

Back to the topic:
Milan will need in summer a GK,a DC, and a good striker as Borrielo i think he will be sold and Pipo will retire or give him on loan or on transfer.
In midfield i think gourcuff will win seedorf's position in midfield for next season and for ever from him.
So if next year we will have a midfield of Pirlo,Gattuso,Gourcuff,Kaka i think we are ok.
In defence i would like to see Albiol next of Nesta.For GK Akinfeev will be the best replacement for Dida.
And for a striker Ronaldinho or as a AM using the X-mas tree tactic then i think milan will have a great team.


That would mean we would look like this........
..............akinfeev.........
oddo...kaladze.nesta..abidal
..............pirlo.......
..gattuso.......gourcuff.....
....kaka'.......ronaldinho.....
...........ronaldo........

:) :) :) :5inter:

zlatanov
20-02-2007, 07:50
rosoneri_11 was referring to Albiol (CD from Valnecia), not abidal :)

mrki
20-02-2007, 08:03
ah........ :(

eltomas2
20-02-2007, 10:08
hehehe, funny what Sachi said about Ancelotti going to Real:
“[Former boss Vanderlei] Luxemburgo once asked me if I would bring Carlo Ancelotti to Madrid, but I answered that he is a friend of mine and I would never bring a friend there."

Blacktop
20-02-2007, 11:45
Well that guy of Pao's is really good, but wait for a litle time because Olympiakos the bigest enemy of Pao(Panathinaikos)
Rivaldo plans to retire with Olympiakos after penning a multiyear extension. :)

rosoneri_11
20-02-2007, 12:20
Rivaldo plans to retire with Olympiakos after penning a multiyear extension. :)
Yes Ribo plans to retire and he had asked from Socratis Kokalis(Olympiakos president) to buy a young brazilian which Ribo knows very well, to be his replacement.I don't remember the name of the player that ribo want him to be his replacement,but i think he would be a good player.