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Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 06:23
Cryuff has said that Sneijder is good enough to play for a big club but can't see him at Barcelona, which basically means he thinks he's not good enough for the Catalan club. I don't particularly like Cryuff as a 'statesman' for football, but if the dutch master doesn't think he can cut it in Spain then i don't think he'd be of much use to us either.

Sorry Tony but the Buffon/Gilardino swap seems to be gathering a bit of momentum now, i think it could well happen and i think most Milan fans would be willing to sacrifice Gilardino for Buffon. I would only do this IF we got the right replacements for the striker, one of which would NOT be Ronaldinho. It's an interesting avenue to go down.

The ever reliable Tuttosport ( :delol: ) suggest a return to Juve for Cannavaro for 9 million (euros i'm guessing). I wonder if his return would be welcomed, i'm not so sure it would be. He would surely be seen as a less than honourable player for leaving the sinking ship that was Juve and then returning as if nothing had happened once they've got promotion. I think for 9 million and with all that on his mind, we could move in for him and give him a great alternative.

So for something like 20 million we could end up with Buffon, Cannavaro, Suazo & Pizzarro. Not too shabby :D

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 06:28
i think real M bought cannavaro for like 5-8 mil when he was a year younger, and given that they would actually want to let him go - he hasn't been performing up to his standrads there - I would expect his price to be below what they paid Juve for him after the WC.

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 06:38
Zlat it's Real!

They seem to think that any player who plays for them automatically shoots up the price, even if that player has been average or poor.

kris
21-02-2007, 06:47
Cryuff has said that Sneijder is good enough to play for a big club but can't see him at Barcelona, which basically means he thinks he's not good enough for the Catalan club. I don't particularly like Cryuff as a 'statesman' for football, but if the dutch master doesn't think he can cut it in Spain then i don't think he'd be of much use to us either.


Cryuff don't have anything to do with Barcelonas player transfers, he isn't even working for them on a advice basis so I don't see the connection here or this being something bad on him. Personally I have not really seen Sneijder enough to judge him properly. But the times I have seen him he have played a simple and effective game. He seems to like to play one-touch and short passes, something that would work well for someone moving to us. He seems to have a better shot than the current Seedorf too.

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 06:54
Zlat it's Real!

They seem to think that any player who plays for them automatically shoots up the price, even if that player has been average or poor.
I don't think so ... it wasn't the case with Ronie and I doubt it will be the case with a 33-34 yo Cannavaro either.
I would have expected something like what you said if Cannavaro was performing well but he is not and he's seen as Capello's protege by his teammates too. With capello gone, I think Real M management will get rid of Canna as soo as possible until they could still get some money back.
Given his age and this last disappointing season, I would think that 4-6 mil or so would be enough to capture him.

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 06:57
Cryuff don't have anything to do with Barcelonas player transfers, he isn't even working for them on a advice basis so I don't see the connection here or this being something bad on him. Personally I have not really seen Sneijder enough to judge him properly. But the times I have seen him he have played a simple and effective game. He seems to like to play one-touch and short passes, something that would work well for someone moving to us. He seems to have a better shot than the current Seedorf too.
I don't know whether Cruyff is getting paid by barca but he still has a lot of influence in the club higher ranks and often advices them what player or coach to get.
While he may not be a technical director or anything like that, it was him who brought Rijkaard at barca and now seems to be on his way to repaet the trick with MvB too.

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 07:02
Cryuff don't have anything to do with Barcelonas player transfers, he isn't even working for them on a advice basis so I don't see the connection here or this being something bad on him. Personally I have not really seen Sneijder enough to judge him properly. But the times I have seen him he have played a simple and effective game. He seems to like to play one-touch and short passes, something that would work well for someone moving to us. He seems to have a better shot than the current Seedorf too.


I don't see how you can't see the connection. I never said Cryuff had any working relation with Barcelona, what i wrote was what Cryuff said in an interview, that he thinks Sneijder is good enough for a bigger club but can't see him at Barcelona. Which to me seems to suggest that Cryuff doesn't think he can make it with Barcelona.

You're right about his passing game, he's good at short and long passes and usually has a good delivery and firm shot on him. However, sometimes he's too inconsistent and can go missing from games, not that this is a trait only he has, many players suffer from it. I just don't think he's anything more than a decent squad player.

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 07:04
I don't think so ... it wasn't the case with Ronie and I doubt it will be the case with a 33-34 yo Cannavaro either.
I would have expected something like what you said if Cannavaro was performing well but he is not and he's seen as Capello's protege by his teammates too. With capello gone, I think Real M management will get rid of Canna as soo as possible until they could still get some money back.
Given his age and this last disappointing season, I would think that 4-6 mil or so would be enough to capture him.


Hey don't shoot the messenger, i only wrote what was being reported :uhm:

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 07:06
Hey don't shoot the messenger, i only wrote what was being reported :uhm:
too late bro ... messenger's been already shot and there is no turning back :guw: :ilol:

Tony29.
21-02-2007, 07:22
Sorry Tony but the Buffon/Gilardino swap seems to be gathering a bit of momentum now, i think it could well happen and i think most Milan fans would be willing to sacrifice Gilardino for Buffon. I would only do this IF we got the right replacements for the striker, one of which would NOT be Ronaldinho. It's an interesting avenue to go down.

The ever reliable Tuttosport ( :delol: ) suggest a return to Juve for Cannavaro for 9 million (euros i'm guessing). I wonder if his return would be welcomed, i'm not so sure it would be. He would surely be seen as a less than honourable player for leaving the sinking ship that was Juve and then returning as if nothing had happened once they've got promotion. I think for 9 million and with all that on his mind, we could move in for him and give him a great alternative.

So for something like 20 million we could end up with Buffon, Cannavaro, Suazo & Pizzarro. Not too shabby :D
Most Milan fans would sacrifice Gila for Buffon, but no Juve fan would sacrifice Buffon for Gila. The thing is - noone's asking us.
With last years Juve menagement no way such swap could have happened, with current one - everything can happen.
Although i still see these reports as pure speculations. Journalists know about Buffon saying he might have left Juve for Milan if there wasn't for the scandal, they know Gila was a Juve fan, they see Gila underporforming and losing his place to Ronnie - they have a story.
If Buffon rejects the next contract offer from Juve, then i guess such swap is possibile but it's still very unlikely. Juve needs money atm. Secco says they have 35 M Euro for transfers. If Juve gives Buffon just like that in direct swap with Gila, then Juve gets nothing because Trez can't bring the money Buffon can . And finally, Juve's losing Trez+Buffon for Gila+money which will be the worst thing they can do.
But i repeat - without a transfer guru like Moggi, this stupidity may happen !

As for Cannavaro, you will be suprised if you read the Cannavaro thread in Juventuz.com. Apart for 2-3 members, the others see him as a God, as a lost son or smthg and they'd sell their mothers to get Canna back.
Personally, i don't care much. Would welcomed him if he comes back, but if Juve really has 35 M Euro only, then everything above 4-5 M for a 34 years old is way too much.

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 08:13
I think Juve right now could use some short term solutions - older but quality players that is as they would have to build almost an entirely new squad and 35 mil won't get them anywhere because with this money they could buy a good number of players but they will be young(-er) and less established players, who always run the risk to not live up to the expectations. By getting players like canna or Zambrotta back, that risk is virtually eliminated.

This being said, Juve is rumoured to be after Dida who would supposedly take Buffon's place if he leaves. If not Dida, I would expect Juve to ask for Abbiati too as part of a possible Gila-Buffon swap.
So, in the end by giving Trez + Buffon away, Juve will end up with Gila (a much younger striker similar to Trez) + Dida/Abbiati (either of them would a very good and suitable replacement for Buffon) + money (anywhere between 15-20 mil, which would come in very handy in attarcting several quality players when added to that 35 mil Juve already has).

Come to think of it, it's not gonna be too bad a deal for Juve either ... in fact, I think that, sentiments regarding Buffon's and Trez's status at Juve aside, it would be the smart thing to do with regard to rebuilding a new quality squad from scratch.

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 08:13
too late bro ... messenger's been already shot and there is no turning back


Fine, then i'll come back as a ghost and haunt you :delol:


Tony, you'll find most fans don't get asked about transfers, someone nearly always loses out. If it had been the other way around with Gilardino in good form and Buffon a little dodgy, it would be us saying no. I think you're right in that it is just speculation right now and also right that with the current Juve board you can't rule anything out.

I am surprised about the view of Cannavaro though, i thought he might have been viewed with slightly less rose tinted glasses.

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 08:14
Fine, then i'll come back as a ghost and haunt you :delol:

with the amount of garlick I ate last night, I doubt you will stick around for that long :grinser: :ilol:

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 08:18
I wouldn't care ... i'm a ghost not a vampire :sagrin:

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 08:20
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=34476

it looks like Zebina is still keen on staying at Juve and those rumors about him being a Milan player were just ... rumours.

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 08:22
I wouldn't care ... i'm a ghost not a vampire :sagrin:
it won't make a dif ... it was a lot of garlick, you know :D

drucurl
21-02-2007, 08:54
I think Zebina is a milan fan at heart...his desire to remain loyal to Juve proves this :D
Forza Zebidonna the juventino....may he play like the other old ladies in his sexy zebra outfit and retire a juventino

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 10:21
I will just hold my breath then ... ghosts don't need to breathe you know :grinser:

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 10:27
If the Zebina rumours are just that i will be very happy!

Bharusso is again being linked with Arsenal and now Tottenham, though it might be just the same contact turned into a new story. So i guess we didn't sign him after all, though Ch4 say he might be available for £1.25 million ... for that price you can't really go wrong, i hope we sign him.

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 10:34
regarding barusso, I don;t think that even if we had indeed signed him, Milan or his agent would reveal that publically before the summer, so I guess we would have to wait.
Also, I think the rumours concerning Barusso were not about Milan having signed him but having obtained an option on him, so we may very well be first in line without him already being a mIlan player.

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 10:39
indeed ...

did you just merge some threads? I thought someone had hacked my account when i noticed i'd apparently posted in a thread i've not been in for ages

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 10:41
indeed ...

did you just merge some threads? I thought someone had hacked my account when i noticed i'd apparently posted in a thread i've not been in for ages
I merged a newly created thread on Pirlo with the player's thread in "players" section.
if you are talking about that one, yeah, it was me ... if not, maybe you are a ghost already, in which case I will have to eat an extra clove of garlick :sagrin:

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 10:43
you must be a hit with the ladies with all that garlic on your breath Zlat :ilol:

unless they have a garlic fetish :googly:

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 10:44
no, I was just messing with you ... actually, I don't remember the last time I ate garlick :D

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 13:47
I saw some highlights of PSV v Arsenal and i thought i saw Ronaldo in defence for PSV, but it turned out to be Alex! :grinser:

Seriously though, he looked so bulky last night and his positioning and defending were just slack to say the least. I must be missing something as so many people seem to think he's a good player and we should get him, but everytime i've seen him he seems poor.

I know what people will say, 'you only saw the highlights', but even so, in those brief moments, in that 10 minute compilation, he was bad.

Tony29.
21-02-2007, 13:55
I think Juve right now could use some short term solutions - older but quality players that is as they would have to build almost an entirely new squad and 35 mil won't get them anywhere because with this money they could buy a good number of players but they will be young(-er) and less established players, who always run the risk to not live up to the expectations. By getting players like canna or Zambrotta back, that risk is virtually eliminated. My thoughts exactly

This being said, Juve is rumoured to be after Dida who would supposedly take Buffon's place if he leaves. If not Dida, I would expect Juve to ask for Abbiati too as part of a possible Gila-Buffon swap.
So, in the end by giving Trez + Buffon away, Juve will end up with Gila (a much younger striker similar to Trez) + Dida/Abbiati (either of them would a very good and suitable replacement for Buffon) + money (anywhere between 15-20 mil, which would come in very handy in attarcting several quality players when added to that 35 mil Juve already has).

Come to think of it, it's not gonna be too bad a deal for Juve either ... in fact, I think that, sentiments regarding Buffon's and Trez's status at Juve aside, it would be the smart thing to do with regard to rebuilding a new quality squad from scratch.
This can as well happen but i simply can't see so many new names in Juve.
Juventus already needs at least 4 new players ( this is the minimum) in the starting line-up. If both Trez and Buffon are sold ( and Camoranesi for sure will leave if these 2 go) then Juve will need 7 new players at minimum.
It means changing almost the entire starting line-up and i just can't see that happening. No matter how good Gilardino or Dida or Barzagli, Salihamidzic, Grygera etc are, they will be new and unknown to eachother. Even Inter in their good old days weren't changing the entire team.
These actually aren't my words but the words of Blanc ( he's smthg in Juve's menagment, i still don't know what he is :) ). He said this and underlined how only 3 or 4 new players will come, mostly defenders !

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 14:27
I saw some highlights of PSV v Arsenal and i thought i saw Ronaldo in defence for PSV, but it turned out to be Alex! :grinser:

Seriously though, he looked so bulky last night and his positioning and defending were just slack to say the least. I must be missing something as so many people seem to think he's a good player and we should get him, but everytime i've seen him he seems poor.

I know what people will say, 'you only saw the highlights', but even so, in those brief moments, in that 10 minute compilation, he was bad.
i haven't seen any highlights but I'd guess he might have just had an off game ... I doubt he would be voted MVP (or soething like that) for the last 2 seasons in Holland, including this one. :)
I am sure if you were to first lay eye on Maldini in one of his bad games, you'd also wonder what the fuss is about but ... ;)

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 14:33
These actually aren't my words but the words of Blanc ( he's smthg in Juve's menagment, i still don't know what he is :) ). He said this and underlined how only 3 or 4 new players will come, mostly defenders !
I am sure those words were heavily based on the assumption that trez and buffon won't ask for a transfer but it seems to me the former is more or less gone already.
btw, Kanoute is the latest striker connected with Juve after Toni and Gila.

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 14:37
Even so Zlat, to me he always seems quite rash. Last night for some reason he just appeared to be jumping around all over the place, he stayed off when he should have been tight, he wandered around aimlessly and didn't seem to be able to marshall the other defenders.

Now i know, highlights show the worst in defenders (unless they're scoring a goal), but taking that into account he just doesn't seem that great. I also don't understand why people say he's fast, the times i've seen him he's been anything but speedy. I guess i'm just unlucky.

Tony29.
21-02-2007, 14:42
I am sure those words were heavily based on the assumption that trez and buffon won't ask for a transfer but it seems to me the former is more or less gone already.
btw, Kanoute is the latest striker connected with Juve after Toni and Gila.
Yes, Juve scouts were in Bucharest following him against Steaua.
Trez seems to be gone already, like you say, and Gigi's situation is still unknown.
It can be seen by the transfer rumours. Juve hasn't been connected to one single keeper, but every single week Juve scouts are in Germany, Spain, Holland following some attackers !
Even more, all these attackers ( Klose, Huntelaar, Kanoute) are not some players who'll be expected to replace a 3rd or 4th choice striker, so it's logical to asume they'll be replacing one of Del Piero-Trezeguet.
Del Piero stays for sure so it must be Trez !

This makes the Gila-Buffon swap even more unlikely to happen, IMO !

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 14:48
Yes, Juve scouts were in Bucharest following him against Steaua.
Trez seems to be gone already, like you say, and Gigi's situation is still unknown.
It can be seen by the transfer rumours. Juve hasn't been connected to one single keeper, but every single week Juve scouts are in Germany, Spain, Holland following some attackers !
Even more, all these attackers ( Klose, Huntelaar, Kanoute) are not some players who'll be expected to replace a 3rd or 4th choice striker, so it's logical to asume they'll be replacing one of Del Piero-Trezeguet.
Del Piero stays for sure so it must be Trez !

This makes the Gila-Buffon swap even more unlikely to happen, IMO !
actually, with Dida or Abbiati in the picture, it makes the Gila-Buffon swap a very logical outcome - juve a get very good keeper for free and get their hand on the most promising Italina striker who is exactly the same type of striker like Trez ... and all that without spending any money at all, while all those other options for a Trez replacement will cost Juve at least 15 mil euros for a transfer fee.

EDIT: actually, with a Gila-Buffon swap and Dida or Abbiati going to juve too, and Juve selling Trez, not only they won't spend any cash money but they will bag a good 15-20 mil from the Trez sale.
In case they don't get Gila in some sort of a swap deal, all that money they will get from Trez will go for a new striker and it might not be even enough in the end.

Mystik
21-02-2007, 15:25
It would seriously eat me to see Gila go to Juve after only two seasons with us and lead them to a top4 finish next year scoring 2 goals against us to seal victories in the Juve - Milan clash.

Tony29.
21-02-2007, 15:32
EDIT: actually, with a Gila-Buffon swap and Dida or Abbiati going to juve too, and Juve selling Trez, not only they won't spend any cash money but they will bag a good 15-20 mil from the Trez sale.
In case they don't get Gila in some sort of a swap deal, all that money they will get from Trez will go for a new striker and it might not be even enough in the end.
It's all good but you forgot to mention the main point : In case of no Gila-Buffon swap Juve gets to keep Buffon !

What you're saying is very good from a Milan fan perspective, but noone else apart from Milan fans will see this as a good deal for Juventus. Trez is rated much higher than Gila, Buffon also much much higher than the other 2 keepers mentioned and the difference certanly isn't 15 M.

Also, i noticed how you very often talk how player's price drops down after a bad season. Gila's price certanly isn't 21 M Pounds if we use that logic.
If Ibra was worthed 24 M, then Gila is 20 M maximum ( Euro).
If Gigi's price is 21 M pounds ( 28 M Euro) then Gila+Dida still isn't enough for Buffon.

This will be an awful deal for Juve and it should be clear to anyone. But , i repeat, it doesn't mean those new guys in Juve menagment won't do it.

But it's not so important, the most important thing is Valencia scored and now it's 2:2 :)

Jim_UK
21-02-2007, 15:34
It's a tough call, on the one hand you have the future of Italian strikers (as he's only mid twenties) and on the other the best keeper in the world :confused:

With Gilardino we know he's capapble of scoring over 20 goals a season, he's done it twice in a row and gone close on one other occassion. You also have to take into account how many more opportunities to score he'll get if we buy Ronaldinho. One thing for sure though is he'll have to get his act together otherwise given our board's love for Buffon (which is almost as big as Ronaldinho), Gilardino might find himself shipped out in the summer.

Tony29.
21-02-2007, 15:52
Btw, Zlatanov talked a lot about Villa and tonight i finally have to agree with him.
David Villa has everything a striker needs, even more. He scored a briliant free kick goal today.
And Inter's first goal was clear offside ! And Materazzi deserved a red card for elbowing !

And Barcelona needs a new keeper. Valdez is ridiculous :haha:

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 15:58
It's all good but you forgot to mention the main point : In case of no Gila-Buffon swap Juve gets to keep Buffon !

What you're saying is very good from a Milan fan perspective, but noone else apart from Milan fans will see this as a good deal for Juventus. Trez is rated much higher than Gila, Buffon also much much higher than the other 2 keepers mentioned and the difference certanly isn't 15 M.

Also, i noticed how you very often talk how player's price drops down after a bad season. Gila's price certanly isn't 21 M Pounds if we use that logic.
If Ibra was worthed 24 M, then Gila is 20 M maximum ( Euro).
If Gigi's price is 21 M pounds ( 28 M Euro) then Gila+Dida still isn't enough for Buffon.

This will be an awful deal for Juve and it should be clear to anyone. But , i repeat, it doesn't mean those new guys in Juve menagment won't do it.

true, Juve are loosing Buffon but the otehr two keepers aren't bad either - let's not forget that Abbiati had a better record at juve than Buffon himself. Also, in this moment when juve would need the money to build a new team, they hardly need "the best" (lot's of unnecessary hype and high pricing comes with this title) keeper in the world when then can have one of the best + a lot of money that could be invested in building the rest of the squad because it won;t make much of a dif if you have Buffon on goal but your difense and midfield is average.

As for Gila's price, he is the most promising young(-er) Italian striker around and that brings his price up a lot (for instance De rossi would be more expensive than Diarra, mascehrano not because he's better, quite the opposite actually, but because he's italian). And I don;t see why Ibra has to be more expensive than Gila - Gila had 2 seasons where he scored 20+ goals and in his first season at Milan he almost did it too, while being second choice to Sheva and Pippo ... this season he isn;t doing great but neither is anyone of his teammates as it's been an off season for the team as a whole.

What did Ibra do? One very good season in Serie A and the 2nd made 9 out of 10 juve fans dream of seeing Ibra go away.

So, all in all, Gilardino's price, in the worst case, would stay the same as what Milan paid Parma - 23-24 mil euros, which is pretty much what Buffon's more realistic market price is, hype aside that is, because let's not forget that the guy is already 29 yo ... 30 mil euros for him is serieously pushing it and would be due not to his quality as a goal keeper but more due to that title of his as "best keeper around".

zlatanov
21-02-2007, 16:04
And Barcelona needs a new keeper. Valdez is ridiculous :haha:
there you go, Valdez is another excellent option for a Buffon substitute should he come to Milan ... I dont know why you keep complaining :D

Stitch
21-02-2007, 17:33
boy i'd love to see valdes at juve :D

Jim_UK
22-02-2007, 04:51
As reported in the Buffon thread, Milan are looking at getting Buffon, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Camoranesi AND Ronaldinho! Quite a miracle if all of that happened and a totally unbelievable rumour, though i wonder what sacrifices would be made for it to come true.

For me personally, Suazo has been told he can leave Cagliari IF he wants to or they recieve the right offer. I hope Milan are listening :D

Calderon has allegedly telephoned Ancelotti to ask him to join Real. I know Ancelotti is well respected in Spain, but do they really want him or are they just using him as a tool to get Kaka?

Finally a quick word about Juve as they are being linked with alot of players, especially Gerrard, Sissoko, Alonso and last but not least Crouch (in a cash+swap deal for Trezeguet :D ) ... if you want to take Crouch Tony, you are more than welcome :rotfl:

Graeme C
22-02-2007, 05:31
As reported in the Buffon thread, Milan are looking at getting Buffon, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Camoranesi AND Ronaldinho! Quite a miracle if all of that happened and a totally unbelievable rumour, though i wonder what sacrifices would be made for it to come true.

For me personally, Suazo has been told he can leave Cagliari IF he wants to or they recieve the right offer. I hope Milan are listening :D


Apparently we might be favourites for Suazo, well us then Inter and Juve.. Hes not a bad signing, better than Borriello and Oli

Jim_UK
22-02-2007, 06:03
I don't remember, but were Cagliari interested in signing/taking Boriello or was that another club?

zlatanov
22-02-2007, 06:31
not that it matters given Bori's suspension, but I think that club was Livorno as they seemed to be keen on an Amelia for Bori+money transfer at some point.

Jim_UK
22-02-2007, 06:38
How long was Boriello suspended for? Will it be a similar length for Flacchi? Does Prodi resigning affect Berlusconi's plans for Milan?

zlatanov
22-02-2007, 06:58
I don't think the final verdict about the length of his suspension has been made yet. Chances are, it will be a long period - at least 1 year, and a max of 2, i bleieve - but it will all depend on how the CONI will see this case - whether the substances were taken involuntary/by accident or whether he took them knowingly.

peters
22-02-2007, 07:45
And Barcelona needs a new keeper. Valdez is ridiculous :haha:
Valdez is second best keeper in spain, specially regarding his age. he has some flaws and you newer know when he'll strike with one of them (so does our belowed dida), but all in all he has great reflexes and knows how to be good positioned. If he only stopped chewing his freakin gum he would be perfect.

mrki
22-02-2007, 07:47
I suggest we combine "latest transfer rumors...." with " what players Milan should buy..." into one transfer thread?? Can someone do it, it would be much more interesting, this way we are talking same things in 2 threads.
Suggestion for the thread name: " Summer mercato by Milan..."
:cheers:

Jim_UK
22-02-2007, 08:36
I read the Ch4 article about Suazo and i don't see why Inter are being seen as the side he's most likely to join. They have 4 top strikers, why would they need another and why would Suazo be stupid enough to join when the best he can hope for is the bench.

Yes he'd be on the bench with us, but surely he would start/play a larger role in our team? Ronaldo aside, all of the other 4 strikers have question marks over them, Oliveira seems set to go back to Spain, Inzaghi may leave due to lack of opportunities and not getting his own way, Boriello is likely to be banned for a long time and Gilardino could leave in any number of swap deals.

So i hope Suazo is reading this, come and join Milan :grinser:

Graeme C
22-02-2007, 08:48
I have a feeling we will try and get either Eto or Suazo. Suazo might be more realistic as he has seria A experience, and well will cost less..

well with Borriello and Oli most likely on there way out, i have my doubts about inzaghi aswell..

mrki
22-02-2007, 08:48
Maybe Pato and Ronaldo could be enough, alongside Pippo. Gila can go if we are able to get Gigi for him. Apparently we are now going for Zambrotta and Diarra or Camoranesi. I personally prefer Diarra aldough they are not the same type of players. But if we are really ready to splash some money in the summer, we will be more tahn fine with just 3 or 4 right signings.

Jim_UK
22-02-2007, 08:59
I think Pato, Ronaldo & Inzaghi as our 3 strikers would be a bit risky. One's close to retiring and has a history of injuries, another also has injury and fitness worries and the other is vastly inexperienced. I would still add Suazo to your list mrki to make it 4 strikers if those were the strikers we had/were to get.

I would be happy with either Camoranesi or Diarra, naturally one will be an awful lot cheaper and means we wouldn't have to negotiate with Madrid. However, i would still feel we'd need a central midfielder (not winger) who can create and has a bit of pace about them.

mrki
22-02-2007, 09:16
Maybe it would be too much tohave Kaka', Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and 3 more strikers. It all depends on possible Ronaldinho capture, and it seems some kind of negotiations are starting, and Barca will not go lower than 80 mil euros. But I just cant see Milan buying Ronaldinho AND Zambrotta from Barca, I dont see any reason why would they sell them both to Milan.

MOOD
22-02-2007, 09:25
maybe money can be a reason and at the moment milan has much money, hi at berlusconi :D

Jim_UK
22-02-2007, 09:27
sorry mrki, i thought you weren't including Ronaldinho in your list with Ronaldo, Pato & Inzaghi. Don't forget the Non-EU rule though.

Tony75
22-02-2007, 09:28
hope and pray we don't sign Camoranesi. The most one-paced player i've seen. no skill or strength at all. Belongs with his brethern at inert. I'd only take buffon from juve. heard inert want barusso too. can't they do any scouting at all, or do they just wait to see who we atre interested in? Ridicolous as usual from the Starfukks FC. That's a pun in Starbucks as inert only win with coffee.

mrki
22-02-2007, 11:05
As EU passports are concerned, I think Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Kaka' all have EU passports. Does someone know? I know Kaka' has it. But im sure Diarra doesn not have it, we need to fix that :)

zlatanov
22-02-2007, 12:26
Ronaldinho is yet to get his EU passport too ... i think he is expecting it but as of right now he is stil concidered a non-EU player.

Blacktop
22-02-2007, 12:43
Don't we already have a summer transfers thread going?

Edit: never mind. I have a cold and I'm not thinking clearly. :)

Jim_UK
22-02-2007, 13:46
I know it has been said before, but Italian football will always be working twice as hard to compete given the situations with tv deals/rights and non-eu players.

Tony29.
23-02-2007, 07:15
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/feb23j.html

Milan ponder Emerson bid

Real Madrid midfielder Emerson is being linked with a move to Milan as reports gather pace that his Spanish nightmare is coming to an end.

The Brazilian left Juventus last summer after the club’s demotion to Serie B, but his adventure has been tough.

He’s struggled to adapt to La Liga, he’s been heckled by fans and allegedly refused to play in the 3-2 Champions League win over Bayern Munich on Tuesday.

With Real already having signed an ideal replacement in the form of Gago during January, a Serie A return is beckoning for El Puma.

Although previously linked with a move back to Juventus, it seems that he could soon be wearing the Rossoneri jersey.

The player has many friends at Milan and boss Carlo Ancelotti would be more than happy to have the 32-year-old at his disposal. (Actually, Emerson is still 30)

Emerson could either play alongside Andrea Pirlo or replace him when necessary, allowing the tactician the possibility to experiment with formations.

The former Roma man is not the only Merengues player on Milan’s wish list, as it seems that Fabio Cannavaro is also a target for the six-time European champions.

The Via Turati club is hoping to take advantage of the renewed good relationship with Real Madrid, which saw Ronaldo arrive last month, after the summer battle over Kaka.

Jim_UK
23-02-2007, 07:31
i don't see the need for Emerson when we have Ambrosini & Brocchi, i don't see Emerson's 'creative' skills as a viable alternative to Pirlo.

zlatanov
23-02-2007, 07:40
I guess carlo is seeing Emerson as a more dfensively tough alternative to Pirlo who could take Pirlo's role and have a creative player like Gorky at LM ... or maybe use Emerson at RM or LM to give more cover to Pirlo (something like what Lippi did with Gattuso and De rossi at the WC) as Eemrson still has more creativity than both Ambro and gattuso.
This being said, emerson isn't among my dream signings ... but I guess I wouldn't complain too much if he comes at Milan.

Jim_UK
23-02-2007, 08:13
Anything over 3 million is a waste for Emerson. His Creativity is only marginally better than Gattuso or Ambrosini and i'd rather have a creative midfielder with a bit of steel in them than another defensive midfielder with a teeny tiny bit of vision. We hardly have any creative midfielders, we solely rely on Kaka and Pirlo and to lesser extents Seedorf (who is too inconsistent) and Gourcuff (not enough playing time to become more influential).

Emerson for me is not the right person to be looking at, it just seems to suggest that it's another 'name' for the next grande milan which is not what we want.

Arildonardo
23-02-2007, 08:16
I wouldn't want either Emerson or Cannavaro at Milan. They're both over the top and we should be able to find more suitable long-term solutions than these two.

I would be really disappointed if we signed these two finished players. I mean, Emerson isn't playing at Real because he's not good enough and mediocre strikers like John Carew and others make Cannavaro look like he's never played football before...

Jim_UK
28-02-2007, 10:20
I heard something about Deco being ready to leave Barcelona, i would have thought the Premiership would be his most likely destination, however if the price is right maybe we should have a look at him.

zlatanov
28-02-2007, 10:25
I think a sum of close to 20 mil was mentioned for Deco, who would be closing in on 30 next season ... and chances are Chelski and ManU are already hot on his heals

Warro Bantan
28-02-2007, 10:40
Now Deco is potentially a good Pirlo replacement..what? Wrong thread? Eh? Oh...:dontkn:

Jim_UK
28-02-2007, 13:42
It can be argued that Deco is as influencial for Barcelona as Ronaldinho is, sometimes more so and even though i don't like him a great deal, what surprises me in the times i watch him is how combative he is. He covers alot of ground, puts himself about a bit and seems a good replacement for Seedorf and can fill Pirlo's shoes when he needs a rest.

I'd rather spend money on him and then have enough for 2 or 3 other great players than spend the GNP of a third world country on Ronaldinho and his wages.

zlatanov
28-02-2007, 14:01
It can be argued that Deco is as influencial for Barcelona as Ronaldinho is, sometimes more so and even though i don't like him a great deal, what surprises me in the times i watch him is how combative he is. He covers alot of ground, puts himself about a bit and seems a good replacement for Seedorf and can fill Pirlo's shoes when he needs a rest.
can't stand the guy but do agree with the above ... he would be pretty good in kaka's place too. All in all, he would plug in lot's of holes at once.

Eventhough he will soon be 30, for 10-15 mil I wouldn't cry if Milan goes for him ... but I think his price would be closer to 20 given the high profile player he is, and that would be a bit too much for a 30 yo player, I think.

I'd rather spend money on him and then have enough for 2 or 3 other great players than spend the GNP of a third world country on Ronaldinho and his wages.
now you are thinking like Zlat ... oops, that's me :grinser:

with the transfer fee for Dinho, not including those monstrous wages of his, we could get Alves/Miguel, Abidal/Zambrotta, Lucho G./Deco, Malouda, and there will be even something left for a robinho/mancini/quaresma too or an excellent CD to replace Maldini once he's gone.

Jim_UK
01-03-2007, 05:14
I had to laugh out loud to a story i read on Calciomercato. I forget where it comes from originally, probably a Spanish newspaper by the sounds of things. The headline made you believe that Real & Milan were talking about Kaka & Cannavaro, yet when you read the article it just says that the two clubs might talk about Cannavaro and if they do there would naturally be some discussion about Kaka and possibly Robinho. :rotfl:

If ever a headline was made for sensationalism and to sell copies, this is it :D

Graeme C
01-03-2007, 08:12
It can be argued that Deco is as influencial for Barcelona as Ronaldinho is, sometimes more so and even though i don't like him a great deal, what surprises me in the times i watch him is how combative he is. He covers alot of ground, puts himself about a bit and seems a good replacement for Seedorf and can fill Pirlo's shoes when he needs a rest.

I'd rather spend money on him and then have enough for 2 or 3 other great players than spend the GNP of a third world country on Ronaldinho and his wages.

Yeah i completely agree with that, we dont think we exactly need him.. Well we are going to be desperately in need of a good GK at the end of the season.. I would rather us spend the money on Buffon, then have spare money to get Zambrotta.. To be honest i would prefer Eto than Ronaldinho..

Karim
01-03-2007, 09:47
In my mind, Milan need to focus on getting the following:
- One more young good defender
- At least two more midfilders, CM and OM with may be one more star player.
- One more attacker who scores, mid-age (24-28).

Sell Ricardo and/or Borriello, the later more likely I advice I think.

nefremo
01-03-2007, 10:35
Good advice comming from an Inter fan. :5ok:

About the youg defender that you mentioned, I would settle for Andreolli. :D You guys don't put him on the field anyway so he might want to try his luck with us. I think he has a lot of potential.

hishamilan
01-03-2007, 13:23
good one anreolli but how about a 25-26 years old wold class defender who is out of contract this summer and definitely suits our italian style i want you to guess all fans ok????

Karim
01-03-2007, 13:31
Good advice comming from an Inter fan. :5ok:

About the youg defender that you mentioned, I would settle for Andreolli. :D You guys don't put him on the field anyway so he might want to try his luck with us. I think he has a lot of potential.
Actually he was playing really alot, too much I think by Mancini, Andreolli however till not is still rehab for a bad injury he sustained in a match, can't remember the match though.

Karim
01-03-2007, 13:32
good one anreolli but how about a 25-26 years old wold class defender who is out of contract this summer and definitely suits our italian style i want you to guess all fans ok????
Yeah...who is that magical figure :rolleyes::D?

Karim
01-03-2007, 13:33
In my mind, Milan need to focus on getting the following:
- One more young good defender
- At least two more midfilders, CM and OM with may be one more star player.
- One more attacker who scores, mid-age (24-28).

Sell Ricardo and/or Borriello, the later more likely I advice I think.
Make that one or 2

Brasileiro
01-03-2007, 13:45
Yeah...who is that magical figure :rolleyes::D?
Simple...Alex(PSV) :5ok: but the guy is 24 :bri:

zlatanov
01-03-2007, 13:47
good one anreolli but how about a 25-26 years old wold class defender who is out of contract this summer and definitely suits our italian style i want you to guess all fans ok????
cristoph Metzelder maybe, although I am not so sure he fits the "world class" definition?
if it's him indeed, he did show great promise early in his career but whether it was the injuries or that he simply wasn't good enough, IMO he never made that extra step from a good/very good defender to a world class one.
Mertesacker for one was a lot better than Metzelder in the WC although it was the Werder defender who was supposed to be the "rookie" and learn from the Dortmund player.

other than Metzelder ... not sure I have heard of even a very good defender, let alone a world class one, who's gonna be a free agent in the summer.

zlatanov
01-03-2007, 13:48
Simple...Alex(PSV) :5ok: but the guy is 24 :bri:
I doubt he is out of contract at the end of this season ... whichever team it is that he belongs to, it's just his second year at PSV

edit: well, make that his 3rd year at PSV ...

Jim_UK
01-03-2007, 14:22
to counter recent stories of Milan being linked with Ronaldinho & Cannavaro, both players (or their agents) have come out and said they have no intention of leaving their current clubs ... Ronaldinho is saying he'll be happy at Barcelona for many years and Cannavaro is saying he wants to see out his 3 year contract at Madrid first before maybe moving on.

Both of these statements were inevitable and neither can hardly say they'll be joining us, however my reason for writing this is to hope that they are both speaking the truth, particularly in Ronaldinho's case. With the money we save on him we could easily afford several high quality players instead of just one. So i for one hope that his intention to stay at Barcelona is a truthful one and it forces us to purchase several players rather than one or two.

Tony29.
01-03-2007, 15:56
I wouldn't take Cannavaro's agent words seriously.
We're talking about 33 years old player. If Cappello gets fired ( possibile, as things stand atm) there's a chance, and a big one, the new Real Madrid coach not to count on Canna and to bring a bunch of new defenders in the team.
If Canna won't be guaranteed a starting 11 place then it will suit both parties if Cannavaro is sold.

And there's a huge difference between the 2 statements.
Ronaldinho says :The more time passes, the more I’m convinced that I will stay at Barcelona for many more years.
Cannavaro says :
"I want to stay here, but I know that when you fail in a season at the age of 33 then a club looks around.
I have to admit that I’m pleased to read that I’m of interest to Italian clubs and that includes Juventus.
However, we have to wait until June and then we’ll see what happens".

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Cannavaro will most probably leave Real in June-August , imo.
Still, it depends on 2 things : 1. Will Real win anything ? 2. Will Cappello coach Real next season ?
Since, very probably, none of this will happen then i can allready see Canna wearing black&white or black&red from September.

zlatanov
01-03-2007, 16:11
I wouldn't take Cannavaro's agent words seriously.

trust me, I am not taking the words of any agent out there seriously :D

Other than that I agree on almost everything you said although i think Canna would leave even in the unlikely even that Capello stays as a coach.

Despite trying to be politically correct, I think canna is unhappy at Real - bad year for him and the club and also it seems like his teammates don't like him very much as he's considered to be capello's eyes and ears in the dressing room.
And with him being 33 yo, Real won't break a sweat to get rid of him and get back as much as possible of the money the spent on him, while they still can.

the way I see it, canna back to Italy is the worst kept secret in football at the moment ... even worse than Capello "resigning" at the end of the season and getting a hefty paycheck on his way out.

Graeme C
01-03-2007, 16:13
if milan did get Cannavaro we could play a 3-4-1-2 formation aswell as 4312..

Nesta- Bonera- Cannavaro..

Jim_UK
01-03-2007, 16:14
My point was more centered around Ronaldinho anyway, the money saved from his transfer will obviously be a far greater sum than Cannavaro's.

Tony29.
01-03-2007, 16:36
it seems like his teammates don't like him very much as he's considered to be capello's eyes and ears in the dressing room.

I always thought Emerson is Cappelo's bit-ch :grinser:

One guy on Juve's forum made a terriffic series of episodes about Cappello and his Real Madrid days. When you'll have free time you can read it. It's a guaranteed laugh !
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19965

note: Stay away from it if you're under 18 :)

Xudong
01-03-2007, 17:26
I always thought Emerson is Cappelo's bit-ch :grinser:

One guy on Juve's forum made a terriffic series of episodes about Cappello and his Real Madrid days. When you'll have free time you can read it. It's a guaranteed laugh !
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19965

note: Stay away from it if you're under 18 :)


Panucci too. Milan to Real Madrid to Roma. I was surprised that he did not move to Juventus. It would be really juicy had he done that. :flirt:

... and that diary was awesome. :5ok: I will need more time though. :grinser:

Giorgos
01-03-2007, 17:53
What about Snejder wouldn't be a great replacement for Seedorf?

Jim_UK
02-03-2007, 04:38
despite Cryuff's reservations it seems Barcelona are still being linked with Sneijder.

Ghost
02-03-2007, 05:10
I doubt he is out of contract at the end of this season ... whichever team it is that he belongs to, it's just his second year at PSV

edit: well, make that his 3rd year at PSV ...

I dont think we will ever get our hands on any PSV player, they are all Chelski co-signed!. Apart from that its still the same with real madrid wanting kaka, they hav offered Canna and Diarra with 20 Mmillion on top.

mrki
02-03-2007, 05:39
Im all tired of this rumors, we'll see it in the summer mercato. But im sure Berlusconi will do his best for Gigi and Ronaldinho, and Kaka' is going nowhere even if he wants! When you sign the contract with Diavolo....we'll its all your fault :)

Karim
02-03-2007, 06:14
Ronaldinho wants Barca stay, that's it.

Jim_UK
02-03-2007, 06:38
Our dreams of getting Ronaldinho are as much fantasy as Inter's dreams of getting Messi or C.Ronaldo :grinser:

Jim_UK
02-03-2007, 06:59
The Kaka rumours have resurfaced again after a quiet couple of days. Alongside the £20 million + Diarra + Cannavaro offer, they also want to sign his brother (on loan at Rimini) as another incentive to join them :rollani:

I read something that is apparently a quote from Kaka saying "only god knows where i'll be next season" or something like that, i can't be too sure as it's probably translated wrong, but there seems to be a bit of anger/anxiety about this quote from some Milan fans who had commented on it, so i guess it wasn't that encouraging. Anyone know what he is supposed to have said exactly?

mrki
02-03-2007, 07:43
One thing id for sure, if Milan doesne want to sell KaKa' he will not leave us. But if we are ready to sarcifice Kaka' to get Ronaldinho then we are idiots, really. Kaka' is THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD, the best! Noone can play like him,not Ronaldinho not Gerrard.... He is the real magician and our Golden boy, real phenomenon of today's game. Im sure coachees in Milan see it...

Karim
02-03-2007, 08:13
I dream of Diego and Quaresma

Graeme C
02-03-2007, 08:16
is Empoli's Marzoratti still owned by us?

zlatanov
02-03-2007, 08:24
is Empoli's Marzoratti still owned by us?
yeah, he's only on loan to Empoli ... that's his first loan-away year, I think, and judging by his performances, may very well be the last one

Arildonardo
02-03-2007, 08:52
yeah, he's only on loan to Empoli ... that's his first loan-away year, I think, and judging by his performances, may very well be the last one
From what I've heard another defender, Kaká's brother Digao, has also been doing very well on loan this season. He plays for Serie B side Rimini. Maybe he could be a bit-part player for next season?

milanista mosta
02-03-2007, 09:03
Well,if he ain't far the best player in Rimini i can't see how he can play for Milan in serie a-Digao. With Bonera and Nesta we have excelent defence. In defence we only need left back player of world class because,Janku ain't that class. And ofcourse bring us Roni!!!!!!!!!!!

Graeme C
02-03-2007, 13:06
yeah, he's only on loan to Empoli ... that's his first loan-away year, I think, and judging by his performances, may very well be the last one

Ah thanks zlat, he and Bonera were in goal.com's Seria A team of the week :) its good to know, with Cafu going we do have options!

SANT
02-03-2007, 13:58
Remember Marzoratti is more a RB than a CB...

Tony29.
02-03-2007, 14:08
Trezeguet announced he'll stay with Juve next year.
I guess now Juve won't need Gilardino and it will end the Buffon-Gila swap deal talks !

zlatanov
02-03-2007, 14:18
Trezeguet announced he'll stay with Juve next year.
I guess now Juve won't need Gilardino and it will end the Buffon-Gila swap deal talks !
yeah, the very first time someone says something like this, ha? :D
I feel your enthusiasm but I'd wait till the start of next season before getting my hopes up ;)

Tony29.
02-03-2007, 14:27
yeah, the very first time someone says something like this, ha? :D
I feel your enthusiasm but I'd wait till the start of next season before getting my hopes up ;)
Yeah , true !
But have in mind he said about 20 times how he'll leave Juve if the team won't be competitive, how he was saying he wants CL, and now this sudden change.
That's what makes me think he'll stay.
Many things could change till late August, tho. You're right !

Juve
02-03-2007, 15:17
Trezeguet announced he'll stay with Juve next year.
I guess now Juve won't need Gilardino and it will end the Buffon-Gila swap deal talks !
cmon man ther's noway u believed the gila-BUFFON swap rumors, i like gila and all but this is BUFFON we talking about. The only milan player who i would think about swaping BUFFON for is kaka and i wouldnt. Buffon is irreplaceble.

Tony29.
02-03-2007, 15:49
cmon man ther's noway u believed the gila-BUFFON swap rumors, i like gila and all but this is BUFFON we talking about. The only milan player who i would think about swaping BUFFON for is kaka and i wouldnt. Buffon is irreplaceble.
If Buffon wants to leave then there's nothing we can do. He'll have to be sold and a replace will have to be found.
We've discussed his case many times here on MM and although we disagree on certain matters, i must say some guys did say some logical things and explained why can Buffon leave Juve, even join Milan.

Gila-Buffon swap is smthg i never believed or found logical, at least not a direct swap, but there were so many crazy and unbelievable swap deals in football world ( with Inter as the losers most of the times :) ) that nothing should be taken for granted.

And Buffon is replaceble, of course. Not in the way : Buffon sold - equally good keeper bought, but he's replaceble in Baggio or Zidane way.
Selling "irreplaceble" Baggio brought a bunch of top quality players who won the CL and made it 3 CL finals in a row.
Selling "irreplaceble" Zidane brought a top trio ( Buffon, Thuram, Nedved) that helped Juve win the league 4 times in 5 seasons and a CL final.
No Juve fan wants Gigi go, but it won't be the end of the world if he's sold, and it may turn out to be a fantastic deal at the end.

Juve
02-03-2007, 16:20
If Buffon wants to leave then there's nothing we can do. He'll have to be sold and a replace will have to be found.
We've discussed his case many times here on MM and although we disagree on certain matters, i must say some guys did say some logical things and explained why can Buffon leave Juve, even join Milan.

Gila-Buffon swap is smthg i never believed or found logical, at least not a direct swap, but there were so many crazy and unbelievable swap deals in football world ( with Inter as the losers most of the times :) ) that nothing should be taken for granted.

And Buffon is replaceble, of course. Not in the way : Buffon sold - equally good keeper bought, but he's replaceble in Baggio or Zidane way.
Selling "irreplaceble" Baggio brought a bunch of top quality players who won the CL and made it 3 CL finals in a row.
Selling "irreplaceble" Zidane brought a top trio ( Buffon, Thuram, Nedved) that helped Juve win the league 4 times in 5 seasons and a CL final.
No Juve fan wants Gigi go, but it won't be the end of the world if he's sold, and it may turn out to be a fantastic deal at the end.
u make good points :5ok: but i hope he stays his the only playa we should do everything to keep him.

Giorgos
02-03-2007, 16:49
What's your opinion of Van De Vaart?. I am addicted to...

Giorgos
02-03-2007, 16:50
As far as Marzoratti as far as i know is more a rb and then a CB, so we can i invest on him.

Jim_UK
03-03-2007, 05:13
Will Hildebraand be a free transfer in the summer? He could be an option. Today Gomez (PSV) is seen as a possible target ( just a day after i said i thought he could be a good option ... i must have been psychic for those brief moments :D )
and a whole host of former Serie A players are rumoured for a return, including Shevchenko :rollani:

Tony29.
03-03-2007, 05:57
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=35577

According to Galliani, Ronaldinho will stay in Barcelona and Kaka will stay in Milan.

He also confirms Desailly has been offered to become Milan's scout in Africa and France.
He continues his story saying how Calciopoli was probably the hardest period of his life and he finishes saying how Pancalli is doing a good job but FIGC needs a new president.

zlatanov
03-03-2007, 06:01
Will Hildebraand be a free transfer in the summer? He could be an option. Today Gomez (PSV) is seen as a possible target ( just a day after i said i thought he could be a good option ... i must have been psychic for those brief moments :D )
and a whole host of former Serie A players are rumoured for a return, including Shevchenko :rollani:
I think his contract with Stuttgart ends this summer but I am not sure if he hasn't reached an agreement with Valencia already ... I read some rumours about this some time ago ... most probably just rumours but still.
Other than that I think he is a very good GK.

As for Gomez, not sure where you read about him being linked with us, but he was on a possible-Milan-targets list of GK several days ago ... so no, you are not a psychic, more like an impostor :D
I personally wouldn't want Gomez at Milan because he is very inconsistent - when he is good, the guy is GOOD, not to say amazing, but those moments of glory are replaced on a regular basis by some insanely poor goalkeeping and he does things that just make you look like :sweeteye: :grinser:

Gomez is a one of those GKs who can very spectacular but I think what we need is a consistent and reliable GK who just does his job on a regular basis.
And to top it all, he is a non-EU player.

Jim_UK
03-03-2007, 06:25
I can't be an imposter if i suggested a target i've not seen us linked with before today!

Not that i'm saying the news wasn't out there, i just hadn't seen it, which does make me psychic!

zlatanov
03-03-2007, 06:44
I can't be an imposter if i suggested a target i've not seen us linked with before today!

Not that i'm saying the news wasn't out there, i just hadn't seen it, which does make me psychic!
I was just kidding, Jim, don;t take it so seriously :D
btw, Liverpool sucks, forza manU :grinser:

Jim_UK
03-03-2007, 07:31
I knew you were going to say both of those things!

zlatanov
03-03-2007, 07:36
I knew you were going to say both of those things!
don't bother, Jim, that's not gonna make you a psychic in my eyes ... but you probably already know that :nervous: :grinser:

Jim_UK
03-03-2007, 07:42
Of course!

Tony29.
03-03-2007, 08:54
btw, Liverpool sucks, forza manU :grinser:
I can't believe how lucky ManU got in this match. They were owned for 90 minutes and scored from their first chance in 92 minute.
I started watching the match as a complete neutral but somewhere around 60th minute i found myself chearing for Pool because they deserved to win. I felt so sorry for them when O'Shea scored.

Stezagud
03-03-2007, 09:11
lucky :eek: I cant believe we didnt get the penalty for that foul on Saha, you can always spot a guilty defender when they roll around in mock agony hoping the ref will take pity on them ;)

To get the winner was a lucky break as we were down to 10 and only playing for a draw anyway but i dont think we deserved to lose, Van Der Sar had nothing to do apart from Crouch's late shot and apart from 5 minutes after half time we were never really under much pressure. Now we just need Pompey to get a result this evening to make it a perfect weekend :)

zlatanov
03-03-2007, 09:12
I can't believe how lucky ManU got in this match. They were owned for 90 minutes and scored from their first chance in 92 minute.
I started watching the match as a complete neutral but somewhere around 60th minute i found myself chearing for Pool because they deserved to win. I felt so sorry for them when O'Shea scored.
you are right ... and I am sure ManU will feel very guilty when they are being handed the title in the end of the season :grinser:

drucurl
03-03-2007, 10:05
More dumbASs rumors about Berlu's company offering Kaka for $30 M + Diarra and Canna :mad:

zlatanov
03-03-2007, 10:08
More dumbASs rumors about Berlu's company offering Kaka for $30 M + Diarra and Canna :mad:
nice try to get back on topic with "news" from 2 days ago :D

drucurl
03-03-2007, 10:18
nice try to get back on topic with "news" from 2 days ago :D
sorry I just read it form goal.com :sweeteye:

zlatanov
03-03-2007, 10:20
sorry I just read it form goal.com :sweeteye:
hey I was just kidding man ... this thread needed someone to bring it back on topic anyway :D

hitmannq8
03-03-2007, 16:38
Dani Alves is having an absolutely GREAT game against Barca right now.. he created so many chances, and also assisted the 1st goal and scored the second (from a free kick i think). This guy has it ALL.

Jim_UK
03-03-2007, 16:53
Thing is, will Alves want to leave Sevilla if they win La Liga?

kastriot
03-03-2007, 17:00
Thing is, will Alves want to leave Sevilla if they win La Liga?

Dont know if h`ll leave but this guy is sooooooo good...what he just did to Barca is impressive ... Puyol,Marques, Gio all looked like clowns...

We need to have this guy in our team next year!!! OMg

Jim_UK
03-03-2007, 17:01
Shame he couldn't have scored right at the end from either of the two chances he had (though he did striker the crossbar) ... but then Etoo and Kanoute had far more embaressing misses

Tony29.
03-03-2007, 17:22
You got Oddo 40 days ago. I think there's 0% chance Milan will go after another top quality RB this summer.
But he is having brilliant 2 seasons, i agree.

Karim
03-03-2007, 17:48
I think they might go for another guy, or at least they need after Cafu leaves this summer

Jim_UK
03-03-2007, 17:53
when cafu goes we will need some sort of cover at right-back tony. Bringing Mazoratti back is one option, the other is to get another right-back.

I'm not sure Alves will want to leave anyway, if he does Barcelona and Liverpool will probably be the two favourites for him.

Brasileiro
03-03-2007, 19:14
I doubt he is out of contract at the end of this season ... whichever team it is that he belongs to, it's just his second year at PSV

edit: well, make that his 3rd year at PSV ...
Chelsea loan Alex to PSV until the end of the season...It was said some time ago that Capello wanted Alex to R. Madrid, and both teams reached a agreement...but, who knows??

You´re right, 3rd year at PSV...and is the front runner for MVP of Eredivisie. BTW, Alex was the MVP of Eredivise first half of the season...and this is a great acomplishment for a defender in a offensive oriented league...It´s not everyday that a defender beat offensive hyped players like Snidjer(sp?), Huntelaar(sp?) for a MVP prize :5ok:

BTW, Alves was amazing(one more time) today!!! Sevilla played a big part of the game with 10 players, and Alves at the final was running like it was the first half...amazing!!

I really hope that we don´t spend this money to purchase Ronaldinho :rolleyes: Ronaldinho and Kaká will not work, like in my Brazil NT...Berlusconi just need to watch Brazil NT team to play, and he will know that a Kaká/Robinho pair make the team mutch better...It´s not a coincidence that Robinho send Ronaldinho to the bench in Brazil NT.
BTW, since Berlusconi like brazilians players, with that money(Ronaldinho), Milan can buy Alves(20M), Robinho(18M) and Alex(15M) and some future stars like Lucas and Pato to develop in other team...
Ronaldinho is an amazing player(and person), but the guy needs a team playing around(and for) him, and IMO we can´t be dependent of just one player...so, I´m all against the purchase of Ronaldinho.

Leo
04-03-2007, 02:17
Hello fans, as you already know, Robinho has been having a rollercoaster season at Real and has even mentioned that he would not mind a return to Santos. According to Goal.com, Real are offering Robinho for 18 million Euros. I think 18 million euros is underpriced for a player of Robinho's calibre and that is because he has not settled well with Real. I believe Robinho would fit and adapt well into Milan. I think we should think seriously about Robinho since luring Ronaldinho at this moment in time is impossible, your thoughts?

Jim_UK
04-03-2007, 05:03
Milan can buy Alves(20M), Robinho(18M) and Alex(15M) and some future stars like Lucas and Pato to develop in other team....

Not all at once though, too many non EU players.

How many non eu players can we buy in the summer? Is it just 1 or is it 2?

Robinho for £12 million would be very tempting and better for the team given that we'd have alot more left over to spend on other areas. However i hate us dealing with madrid, it fills me with fear.

zlatanov
04-03-2007, 07:43
Not all at once though, too many non EU players.

How many non eu players can we buy in the summer? Is it just 1 or is it 2?

it''s just 1 ... and of those Brazileiro mentioned, only Alves and Lucas have EU passports

Jim_UK
04-03-2007, 08:15
I thought it was 1, i was just checking.

Though i don't know or understand why Italy have to be different regarding Non-EU player laws. Spain operates on a 1 in 1 out policy i think and i'm sure several other leagues do the same. Did the Italian F.A. vote for this or is it to do with Italy's governmental laws or something?

zlatanov
04-03-2007, 08:39
I thought it was 1, i was just checking.

Though i don't know or understand why Italy have to be different regarding Non-EU player laws. Spain operates on a 1 in 1 out policy i think and i'm sure several other leagues do the same. Did the Italian F.A. vote for this or is it to do with Italy's governmental laws or something?
I think virtually all of the big leagues in Europe have this "1 in 1 out" policy for non-EU players, except for Italy that is ... and I believe it has nothing to do with any government laws and such but it's the FIGC that decided on this restriction in order to limit the influx of foreign players coming into Serie A, while still allowing teams to be able to have as many non-Eu players as they might want, in a way.

In certain aspects it does have it's advantages as it allows italian clubs to have unlimited number of foreigners - for instance Milan can by as many non-EU players, who are already playing in Serie A or B, as they wish.
When it comes, however, to Italian clubs competing with other European teams for non-Eu players coming from other leages, European or not, the italians are clearly in a disadvantage.

Jim_UK
04-03-2007, 08:44
Robinho, Alves, Suazo, Rosina, Abidal, Cannavaro, Barusso, keeper ....

that is my current shopping list and the fact that Alves, Rosina & Suazo have all scored either today or yesterday is an added bonus :D

zlatanov
04-03-2007, 08:55
Robinho, Alves, Suazo, Rosina, Abidal, Cannavaro, Barusso, keeper ....

that is my current shopping list and the fact that Alves, Rosina & Suazo have all scored either today or yesterday is an added bonus :D
I guess it's a safe bet to say that your middle initial is M. ... for "Modest" :grinser:

Graeme C
04-03-2007, 08:56
Robinho, Alves, Suazo, Rosina, Abidal, Cannavaro, Barusso, keeper ....

that is my current shopping list and the fact that Alves, Rosina & Suazo have all scored either today or yesterday is an added bonus :D

i havent seen rosina play, is he good jim?

yeah i agree with with your list, maybe if we cant get Abidal zambrotta could be an option.

If Sheva does come back, would he take up one of the EU slots?

zlatanov
04-03-2007, 08:58
If Sheva does come back, would he take up one of the EU slots?
I think so ... there were some rumours of a way around this but not sure how serious that was.

Graeme C
04-03-2007, 09:06
pozzi scored again for Empoli? lol

Graeme C
04-03-2007, 09:07
I think so ... there were some rumours of a way around this but not sure how serious that was.

ah thanks i wasnt sure. I renember him and Boban were complaining about being treated like second class citizens in Italy.. I wasnt sure if they got Italian passports or not..

Jim_UK
04-03-2007, 09:24
No it's 'P' for 'Perfect' .... mwhahaha :D

But think about it, we'd end up spending £45+ million on Ronaldinho so with a bit of haggling and player plus cash deals we could get Alves, Suazo, Robinho & Abidal for more or less the same price i think. Barusso would be cheap, Cannavaro not so expensive ... Rosina's price is anyone's guess, probably similar to Suazo's i think.

It's beyond the realms of possibility, unlikely sure, but not impossible.

Rosina is a great player, the closest Italy has to a true winger i think. The only argument is wether this is a one off season for him or if he's really on the road to becomming a great player.

Jim_UK
04-03-2007, 09:38
As things currently stand, two of the strikers we were linked with quite a while back ( Rigano & Bianchi ) have both scored a brace this afternoon, i wonder if either of them could be a good 4th striker?

Rigano seems the more obvious 4th striker as he's just about to turn 33, Bianchi is 24 and probably less likely to accept a squad role. Lucarelli has also said he's ready to leave Livorno, he could be an ideal 4th striker. All this incase Inzaghi leaves and we don't get Montella. Just some thoughts.

zlatanov
04-03-2007, 10:23
As things currently stand, two of the strikers we were linked with quite a while back ( Rigano & Bianchi ) have both scored a brace this afternoon, i wonder if either of them could be a good 4th striker?

Rigano seems the more obvious 4th striker as he's just about to turn 33, Bianchi is 24 and probably less likely to accept a squad role. Lucarelli has also said he's ready to leave Livorno, he could be an ideal 4th striker. All this incase Inzaghi leaves and we don't get Montella. Just some thoughts.
agree, although I think along with Bianchi (younger), Pozzi would be the ideal solution for a 4th striker as he will also be considered a "club-trained" player in CL and we'll need those.

zlatanov
04-03-2007, 10:27
But think about it, we'd end up spending £45+ million on Ronaldinho so with a bit of haggling and player plus cash deals we could get Alves, Suazo, Robinho & Abidal for more or less the same price i think. Barusso would be cheap, Cannavaro not so expensive ... Rosina's price is anyone's guess, probably similar to Suazo's i think.

don't need to Jaime P. ... I have been preaching this for quite some time now even at the risk of being seen as "weird" :D

Mystik
04-03-2007, 10:32
So if Pozzi comes back to us(very likely) and Boriello leaves(very likely) What becomes of the other strikers? Who do you'll think will still be in a Milan shirt next season ?

To be honest I think our strikers will be something like this: Ronaldo, Gila, ??, Pozzi.

Yes I know there's no Oliveira...but I don't see Gila being sold and Oli kept simply because Gila is Italian.

Jim_UK
04-03-2007, 10:45
I would want Pozzi back eventually, though would it be better for him to stay out on loan for another season to continue his development rather than run the risk of stunting his development by giving him significantly less playing opportunities?

I can only see Gilardino leaving if it's a swap deal for Buffon, otherwise he seems likely to be here next season. Unsurprisingly i would hope for Suazo, someone with pace, Serie A accustomed and can score regularly. Though if Henry is on the cheap maybe him :D

Mystik
04-03-2007, 11:10
Agreed that it may be too early for him to come back but I think I remember Galliani saying something like he's going to recall Pozzi and Marzoratti.

Marzoratti is surely fit to come back to us now though. We need a young RB and he has definitely proven himself at Under-21 and at Empoli. With him playing CB at Empoli(at times) it helps work on his defensive skills. Now I think about it..our defense may not be that old next season afterall. Antonelli to help out the LB position. Marzoratti to help out at RB. Bonera already there at CB.

Brasileiro
04-03-2007, 11:30
Not all at once though, too many non EU players.

How many non eu players can we buy in the summer? Is it just 1 or is it 2?

Robinho for £12 million would be very tempting and better for the team given that we'd have alot more left over to spend on other areas. However i hate us dealing with madrid, it fills me with fear.
I know, Jim...
I only placed this names to show why (IMO), is a crazy idea to spend so much money in Ronaldinho. Milan can purchase the future of Brazil NT with that money...

zlatanov is right, of that list, Alves and Lucas are EU players...

BTW, how many years a player needs to play in Italy to get a EU passport??? I know that in Spain with 2 years a player can be a EU player...and this is one of the reasons that La Liga is becoming the best one of the world(my father is saying now. that it is the EPL :grinser: )

I also hate dealing with Madrid, but Robinho for 12M would be the best business of history(Kaká was bought of Brazil, then, he does not count :grinser: ) . Asks to any brazilian who they want to the side of Kaká in Brazil NT...99% will chose Robinho, no doubt!!

Jim_UK
04-03-2007, 11:54
I think Leonardo would choose Robinho also, he was very enthusiastic about him during the Argentina v Brazil friendly last year. For probably a third or a quarter of the price, he would be a great alternative.

Robinho, Suazo, Pozzi and maybe Lucarelli or Rigano (if either of those two are cheap) and i'd say or forward options would be complete when you include Ronaldo and Gilardino.

Maybe the Lucarelli/Rigano option is one player too many, though a serie a experienced italian striker would be nice ... too much thinking, it's hurting my brain :grinser:

Tony75
05-03-2007, 01:54
First things first guys. Who do we get in goal? Dida is a calamity, ditto Kalac, and Fiori is never used, and if the other 2 are ahead of him, what does that say. I don't want Abbiati back with his moaning, and neither of Coppolla or Elefenthropuos (whatever) are good enough. That leaves us with Storari. If we move for Akinfeev, does he take up a Non EU spot?? What about Frey??

Defensively I think Billy, Cafu, & Serginho will retire/leave. I hope Favalli get's shown the door, and reckon Grimi will be loaned out.

I'd like to see Zapata, Zambrotta bought, maybe Mesto if we can 't get Zambro, and Antonelli & Marzoratti put in squad.

Midfield wise I don't think anyone should leave, but we need a box to box player - Barusso?? We need a sub player for Kaka - Di Gennaro? We need width - Malouda, and we need a bit of height also - not Crouch? :grinser:

Upfront, is Oliveira gone?? Will Pippo stay? I think Gila & Ronaldo should be certs, but we need 5 strikers IMO. Will Aubameyang be promoted as youth's top scorer? Will Pozzi return? That would leave one more space, and IMO it's has to be someone with Serie A experience who will guarantee 15 + goals a season - Toni, Suazo, Trezeguet? Also what about Pato?

Graeme C
05-03-2007, 03:02
Todays rumours are :

Milan, revolution in attack: Bianchi and Quagliarella.. Well there both young 23/24 and scoring more regularly than some of our strikers!

Jim_UK
05-03-2007, 05:06
Chelsea apparently want Crespo back which means Inter would probably go for Suazo as his replacement :mad: I really hope this doesn't happen, i want to see him in our shirt and not theirs.

It was inevitable that after scoring two goals yesterday and having already been linked with us before this season, Bianchi has been linked with us again. I would prefer him over Quagliarella, but neither over Suazo.

zlatanov
05-03-2007, 05:44
I don't think Milan would go for Suazo as his style of playing - he's at his best in a counter-attacking team - is not suited for us.

Plus, although he provides a lot of movement up front, he has completely failed in his attempt to come even remotely close to repeating that 20+ goals season of last year. This year, he would be lucky to egt even half that and most of them are from PK's ... actually, he scored his first goal from open play this season just 2-3 rounds ago.

So far Suazo is proving to be more of a one-season wonder rather than an established, relaible quantity up front. Add to this his style differences with Milan and for me personally it would be a miracle if we go for him.

I also had high hopes of seeing him at Milan but have to admit that he has failed to keep up with the bar he himself set last season and I guess it would be best for him to join a team that suits his style of play.

Giorgos
05-03-2007, 06:22
I heard that Inter is interested in buying Suazo.

Ghost
05-03-2007, 06:36
I heard that Inter is interested in buying Suazo.

Inter Milan agree Suazo fee with Cagliari

Inter Milan have struck an agreement with Cagliari for star striker David Suazo.

Inter president Massimo Moratti has reached an agreement with Cagliari counterpart Massimo Cellino over a �3.5 million fee for the Honduras international.

The deal is a clear sign that coach Roberto Mancini, a huge fan of Suazo, will be staying in charge at Inter next season.

Suazo is delighted with the agreement as it's been a long-time ambition to play for Inter and under Mancini.

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Not good, not good at all!

Jim_UK
05-03-2007, 06:37
I've never thought of him as a regular 20 goal a season guy, more like a 10-15 striker. That said i don't see why he couldn't play for us, he can drop deep, he causes defences havoc, he has pace to burn and he's experienced in Serie A. Why does his skills only seem to fit a counter attacking team when he has similar skills to Shevchenko and Oliveira? I don't buy that at all.

Regarding his form this season, yes he's not been as prolific but then he had some injuries which disrupted his game. He's a goal threat and works hard, something we could do with.

Jim_UK
05-03-2007, 06:40
Inter Milan agree Suazo fee with Cagliari

Inter Milan have struck an agreement with Cagliari for star striker David Suazo.

Inter president Massimo Moratti has reached an agreement with Cagliari counterpart Massimo Cellino over a 3.5 million fee for the Honduras international.

The deal is a clear sign that coach Roberto Mancini, a huge fan of Suazo, will be staying in charge at Inter next season.

Suazo is delighted with the agreement as it's been a long-time ambition to play for Inter and under Mancini.

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Not good, not good at all!


That would seriously be taking the p!ss if that's true :d55:

Ghost
05-03-2007, 06:49
That would seriously be taking the p!ss if that's true :d55:

I know i mean look at the bloody price, and whoever said we dont suit the counter attack game. I think we could introduce that type of quality as the opposition would not expect that.

Graeme C
05-03-2007, 06:54
lol thats a tribal rumour..

Jim_UK
05-03-2007, 06:57
lol thats a tribal rumour..


Oh man why didn't you say it was a tribal rumour milancelotti? :delol:

Ghost
05-03-2007, 06:59
Lol, had to add spice to this thread! :5ok:

Jim_UK
05-03-2007, 07:04
you're far too cruel :ilol:

Giorgos
05-03-2007, 07:34
I am Obsessed with Alves.

Jim_UK
05-03-2007, 09:23
I read the club won't let him go for less than 20 million euros (which is roughly £13-14 million) which is the sort of price Liverpool almost agreed with Seville last summer. However, i think he'll end up at Barcelona, they seem to be the leaders in this race although he did favour a move to Liverpool over the Catalan club last summer so they could also be a strong possibility.

He would be a fine addition to any team.

hishamilan
05-03-2007, 13:18
u know gys i posted a puzzle about a 26-27 years old worldclass defender who is avilable at summer he is so strong and euro so did u find him ????!!!! :mad: :mad:
christopher metzelder :5ok: :p017: :5ok: :p017: :5chore: :5chore:

hishamilan
05-03-2007, 13:20
gorgios if you are a real paok fan i want to ask u that question "why on earth did you allow Azmy Megahed to leave ??? ":mad:

zlatanov
05-03-2007, 13:25
u know gys i posted a puzzle about a 26-27 years old worldclass defender who is avilable at summer he is so strong and euro so did u find him ????!!!! :mad: :mad:
christopher metzelder :5ok: :p017: :5ok: :p017: :5chore: :5chore:
... and if you go back to that post, you will see that your puzzle was ... unpuzzled :D
Still, I think he is pretty good ... world class he's never been and hardly will ever be, IMO at least.
I personally think that Bonera even now - and I would expect him to improve further - is better than CM.

Jim_UK
05-03-2007, 13:34
I disagree slightly, Metzelder would be one of the best CB's around right now had it not been for the couple of long-term injuries he's had. It seems like he's spent more time on the physio table than he has playing football.

Giorgos
05-03-2007, 17:53
gorgios if you are a real paok fan i want to ask u that question "why on earth did you allow Azmy Megahed to leave ??? ":mad:

First of all the team owes 40 million euros, so they got 600.00 euro. Megahed was a great player, strong, quick, good in heading but he could fail with just one movement. For example in PAOK-Panathinaikos, he was very good but at a moment when the situation wasn't dangerous he touched the ball with his arm and the opponents got penalty, last year scores two owngoals. Finally his relation with the rest of the players wasn't that good, he had psychological problems, like he said, so....

Sikabala was great but we couldn't pay him to stay. As far as players of your country in PAOK played in the past the two Hassan, Magdi Tolba and Sabri who then sold to Benfica. All were great players. :)

Warro Bantan
06-03-2007, 08:36
Looks like we are interested in Gomes, the keeper from PSV...I think he is one of the best keepers around....so, I wouldnt mind him coming...

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/mar6g.html

mrki
06-03-2007, 10:03
Gomes is a quality keeper that has grown a lot in the past 2 or 3 years.... could be a good solution as he is 26 and has european experience already. If we cant catch Buffon, this is also a good solution in my oppinion. Plus, the Brazilian tradition will continue with him and Ronaldinho :)

Brasileiro
06-03-2007, 11:05
Looks like we are interested in Gomes, the keeper from PSV...I think he is one of the best keepers around....so, I wouldnt mind him coming...

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/mar6g.html
Gomes always showed potential here in Brazil, but the guy was inconsistent...But Gomes has improved a lot since become a PSV player.
The guy is really in an amazing level, right now!

I know that AS isn´t the most reliable source, but they put us int the Daniel Alves race today(in spanish):
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Milan/Chelsea/Barca/rendidos/Alves/dasftb/20070306dasdaiftb_42/Tes/

Tony29.
06-03-2007, 11:32
I know that AS isn´t the most reliable source, but they put us int the Daniel Alves race today(in spanish):
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Milan/Chelsea/Barca/rendidos/Alves/dasftb/20070306dasdaiftb_42/Tes/
The only way for Milan to even concider going after Alves is if :
1) Milan plays him as a Right Midfielder and Dinho won't come in Milan.
2) Milan sells Oddo
And frankly, i can't see neather of the 2 happening.

Alves will cost somewhere between 15-20 M EUR , and it may be closer to 20 concidering Sevilla will most probably play in CL next year and they may even win La Liga. They certanly won't sell their best player cheaply.
So, if his cost is 20 M EUR , and Milan already gave 10 M EUR for Oddo ( Foggia included) i can't imagine a team paying 30 M EUR just to cover the RB position.
Also, they are both starting 11 material and i smell fights if one of them spends his time on the bench as a replacement to the other one.
I know Cafu's gone, but Oddo is the one Milan plans to play as a RB in next 2-3 years and if Milan tries to replace Cafu they'll do it with someone who won't cost more than 5-7 M EUR.

If Milan plans to play Alves as a RM, then we'll need a tactical change. Alves on the right, Pirlo and Gattuso in the middle and Seedorf/ Gourcuff covering left side. It leaves Kaka as an AM and one attacker.
What about Ronaldinho ?
If Alves and Dinho both come, then Alves will most probably be a bench warmer and Kaka will cover the right side in attack.
20 M for a replacement isn't smthg Berlusconi will do.
And even if Dinho won't come and Alves comes, we still have a problem because we have to transform him into an offensive midfielder which isn't his natural position !

Selling Oddo and playing Alves as a RB is the least possibile option, imo.

drucurl
06-03-2007, 11:44
The only way for Milan to even concider going after Alves is if :
1) Milan plays him as a Right Midfielder and Dinho won't come in Milan.
2) Milan sells Oddo
And frankly, i can't see neather of the 2 happening.

Alves will cost somewhere between 15-20 M EUR , and it may be closer to 20 concidering Sevilla will most probably play in CL next year and they may even win La Liga. They certanly won't sell their best player cheaply.
So, if his cost is 20 M EUR , and Milan already gave 10 M EUR for Oddo ( Foggia included) i can't imagine a team paying 30 M EUR just to cover the RB position.
Also, they are both starting 11 material and i smell fights if one of them spends his time on the bench as a replacement to the other one.
I know Cafu's gone, but Oddo is the one Milan plans to play as a RB in next 2-3 years and if Milan tries to replace Cafu they'll do it with someone who won't cost more than 5-7 M EUR.

If Milan plans to play Alves as a RM, then we'll need a tactical change. Alves on the right, Pirlo and Gattuso in the middle and Seedorf/ Gourcuff covering left side. It leaves Kaka as an AM and one attacker.
What about Ronaldinho ?
If Alves and Dinho both come, then Alves will most probably be a bench warmer and Kaka will cover the right side in attack.
20 M for a replacement isn't smthg Berlusconi will do.
And even if Dinho won't come and Alves comes, we still have a problem because we have to transform him into an offensive midfielder which isn't his natural position !

Selling Oddo and playing Alves as a RB is the least possibile option, imo.
Sit up and notice kids...Tony 29 is surely becoming a Milanista. We have acused him of it in the past but take a look at his last post. I haven't altered his words...just merely highlighted some :D

OH Ye bleeding Zebra...Repent and ye shall be saved :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

mrki
06-03-2007, 12:05
hahahahaha! Tony, WE will have a super squad with Alves on the right fullback supported by oddo. Kidding, im sure he'll end up in Barca or Liverpool next year.

King tiger
06-03-2007, 12:06
Tony sold his soul to devil :D

Warro Bantan
06-03-2007, 12:45
Good move Tony! Welcome to the grouping of the best football fans on the planet! Milan fans!!

Dont worry, we wont share this with any of your Juve "friends"...:D

Xudong
06-03-2007, 12:51
The BEST TRANSFER from Juve since PIPPO!!! :rock3: :rock3:

Tony29.
06-03-2007, 13:24
Loooooool , no way i can convince you it was just my way of talking , i know !
Kinda like : If Americans throw an A bomb on Russia WE'll need a miracle for the russians not to reply. And i ain't no american or russian.



P.S : Drucurl you litle punk !! I'll punish you for this !

SANT
06-03-2007, 13:43
Tony, you subconsciously admitted it... it's stuck in the back of your brain... you were expressing freely, without worrying about the interpretations, so that makes it more authentic...

you're now a red/black striped zebra!

Jim_UK
06-03-2007, 14:42
What's black and white and red all over?


Tony29 :delol:

drucurl
06-03-2007, 14:44
Loooooool , no way i can convince you it was just my way of talking , i know !
Kinda like : If Americans throw an A bomb on Russia WE'll need a miracle for the russians not to reply. And i ain't no american or russian.



P.S : Drucurl you litle punk !! I'll punish you for this !
Not so fast Mr 29 :p231: ....or since your stripes have changed colour should I call you Mr 92?? :zany:

Anyway I don't buy that ridiculous explanation because the context is completely different....chances are if America and Russia are at it WE'LL (meaning everybody on planet earth) all be affected. But If Milan buys Alves YOUR (meaning Juve for argument's sake of course since you're out :D :D ) attack wouldn't change. Hence your example doesn't prove that you talk that way

To make my point even clearer....would you walk into an Inter forum and say "Wow if WE had Ronaldinho playing behind Crespo and Adriano, WE'D be unstoppable!!" ????? I think not :nerd:

Its like catching your closet-gay brother kissing a guy and hearing his lame excuse that he was just "cleaning out his buddy's tonsils" or that "he kisses everybody including dad" that way :p155:
Don't worry about it dude, your er..er... stripes only bleed once :uhm: From here on it gets easier...and you have a whole supportive community behind you :rotfl: :rotfl:

SANT
06-03-2007, 15:21
drucurl, we should photoshop the Ronaldo jersey from your avatar an make it a 29... with TONY above it...

drucurl
06-03-2007, 16:03
Its a pity that Milan doesn't have a mascot animal besides the devil. This would ease Tony's transition into being a rossonero :D.
For instance if he was secretly a Chievo fan. We could have called him
Zonkey 29 (half zebra half donkey)
Or if he was a Newcastle fan he could have beena Zorse (half zebra half horse)
For this reason...I propose that the official Mascot Animal of Milan becomes a Pony
If you don't believe me http://www.hemmy.net/2006/06/19/top-10-hybrid-animals/

This way our dear friend Tony29 can be re-named Zony29 without much fuss at all :rotfl:

Warro Bantan
06-03-2007, 16:20
Dont worry Tony, conversion is good for the soul....or sole..:D

Jim_UK
06-03-2007, 16:28
Or if he was a Newcastle fan he could have beena Zorse (half zebra half horse)


Newcastle fans are horses? :googly: I don't remember them being called that before, magpies but not horses. Or in Tony's case Zagpies :D

drucurl
06-03-2007, 20:03
Newcastle fans are horses? :googly: I don't remember them being called that before, magpies but not horses. Or in Tony's case Zagpies :D
look at their crest dude :respect:

Jim_UK
07-03-2007, 11:31
they are kind of horses ... but with fish tails ... like seahorses i guess, but they're still called the magpies :D

drucurl
07-03-2007, 12:09
they are kind of horses ... but with fish tails ... like seahorses i guess, but they're still called the magpies :D
Why did you have to say SEAHORSES? Why couldn't you just say horses?
(In his Martin Luther King Speech):
"I have a dream...of little sea horses and little land horses playing with eachother........" :rotfl:

hishamilan
07-03-2007, 16:59
First of all the team owes 40 million euros, so they got 600.00 euro. Megahed was a great player, strong, quick, good in heading but he could fail with just one movement. For example in PAOK-Panathinaikos, he was very good but at a moment when the situation wasn't dangerous he touched the ball with his arm and the opponents got penalty, last year scores two owngoals. Finally his relation with the rest of the players wasn't that good, he had psychological problems, like he said, so....

Sikabala was great but we couldn't pay him to stay. As far as players of your country in PAOK played in the past the two Hassan, Magdi Tolba and Sabri who then sold to Benfica. All were great players. :)
thank you for this great compliment shikabala is a great young midfielder < best in north africa> i want to clear that i am a zamalek fan< his current team> and i swear that he really can't go out of egypt for three years even we refused a loan offer today for him from ajax azmy is any way a little dumm and i think you could benefit more from a midfeilder like "magdy"from atromitos < don't u think that ur country thing was a little racist> never mind thank u giorgos

Brasileiro
07-03-2007, 20:49
they are kind of horses ... but with fish tails ... like seahorses i guess, but they're still called the magpies :D
Jim, I hope you ha seen Alex performance against Arsenal(in the 2 legs) :5ok:
The guy is a top 3 defender in the world right now...a real monster!!!

As I said, in that Liverpool game that you watched, the guy was sick...Alex and Nesta would be a WALL!!! :5ok:

hitmannq8
07-03-2007, 23:54
i have a new fantasy.. DANI ALVES

Jim_UK
08-03-2007, 05:20
Why did you have to say SEAHORSES? Why couldn't you just say horses?



Last time i checked horses don't have little fish-like bodies & tails instead of hind legs :grinser:

Brasileiro, i didn't see anything of Arsenal v PSV except for brief 30 second highlights on some news channels, which i have to say showed chance after chance for Arsenal and then Alex's goal. I saw more in depth highlights of the 1st leg but even then it's not really fair for me to judge him on that, if i did i'd have to honestly say that Alex didn't come out too well ... he seemed all over the place, lacked organisation and looked slow. But then like i said, it would be unfair to judge him completely on those brief 10 minute highlights.

hishamilan
08-03-2007, 05:46
guys please alex is owned by chelsea and he is getting his job permit this summer so we will never get him instead we could negotiate pepe or albiol how about getting boruc and evander sno together next summer < for zlatanov and jimuk> kidding :5ok:

sylrus
08-03-2007, 05:51
Jim, I hope you ha seen Alex performance against Arsenal(in the 2 legs) :5ok:
The guy is a top 3 defender in the world right now...a real monster!!!

As I said, in that Liverpool game that you watched, the guy was sick...Alex and Nesta would be a WALL!!! :5ok:

isnt alex a chelsea player already??
a read it in goal.com

zlatanov
08-03-2007, 05:52
guys please alex is owned by chelsea and he is getting his job permit this summer so we will never get him instead we could negotiate pepe or albiol how about getting boruc and evander sno together next summer < for zlatanov and jimuk> kidding :5ok:
how could Alex get his permit this summer when he is not even in the Brazil NT let alone play regularly there?
From what Koeman said yesterday regarding Alex's situation, he is indeed owned by Chelski and PSV are "renting" him but they will be getting together this summer to decide what to do with Alex since he won't be able to play for Chelski because of that work permit.

As for Boruc, he and Buffon seem to be the top choices for Milan's next GK ... and I am not kidding :D

btw, Metzelder is gonna be a ballerina next season - he seems to have signed with Real M. :rolleyes:

Jim_UK
08-03-2007, 06:12
guys please alex is owned by chelsea and he is getting his job permit this summer so we will never get him instead we could negotiate pepe or albiol how about getting boruc and evander sno together next summer < for zlatanov and jimuk> kidding :5ok:


I read that Pepe used to be quite poor at CB but has improved alot, hence the recent rumour that he'll be at Chelsea next season. That aside (and the fact he was likened in defensive stlye to Carvalho) i don't know a great deal about him other than he plays for Porto and like Deco he chose to play for Portugal over Brazil. If we were to get a young defender, Albiol, Alexis or Mexes would be good places to start. I'd prefer a younger hungrier defender rather than going for someone like Cannavaro or Zambrotta at full-back, lets not live on past glories, we need to make a new side with younger players.

The only thing i would say about Boruc is that i hope he doesn't develop the Polish GK disease Dudek got! To start with Dudek was awesome and easily one of the best in Europe, then he went crazy and made mistake after mistake. I would hope the same thing wouldn't happen to Borat ... i mean Boruc :D

hishamilan
08-03-2007, 06:21
how could Alex get his permit this summer when he is not even in the Brazil NT let alone play regularly there?
From what Koeman said yesterday regarding Alex's situation, he is indeed owned by Chelski and PSV are "renting" him but they will be getting together this summer to decide what to do with Alex since he won't be able to play for Chelski because of that work permit.

As for Boruc, he and Buffon seem to be the top choices for Milan's next GK ... and I am not kidding :D

btw, Metzelder is gonna be a ballerina next season - he seems to have signed with Real M. :rolleyes:
bla...bla...bla.....you know you always make fun of me but you only have 0.5 answers :5nana: like all people saw alex starting against argentina and portugal at london also i said how abou PEPE and ALBIOL i also mentioned that we get BOTH SNO and BORUC so give me a break iam only 16

hishamilan
08-03-2007, 06:26
you know that EVANDER SNO is great 19 so tough and technical and a reply for our continious request for a backup for both pirlo and seedorf also could be MANICHE , BODMER, LUCHO GONZALEZ

zlatanov
08-03-2007, 06:51
bla...bla...bla.....you know you always make fun of me but you only have 0.5 answers :5nana: like all people saw alex starting against argentina and portugal at london
well, then I guess a full answer is that those "most people" are simply seeing things ... check the line ups here:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=205200&cc=5739
and
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=212459&cc=5739

Alex was on the bench vs Argentina and didn't play a single minute in that game. As for the game vs Portugal, he wasn't even called up for it ... and that was not because he was injured since he was playing for PSV at the time of the Brazil-Portugal game.

All in all, over the past year, Alex has featured in 1-2 low profile friendlies for Brazil (like the one vs Kuwait, I think). Other than that, most of the time he is not even called up in the Brazil NT and even when he is, he is on the bench with Lucio, Juan, and even Luisao (Benfica) being before Alex in the pecking order.

In order to get that work permit to play in the EPL, Alex must play regularly - not merely called up but play - for 1-2 years in the NT ... so, bascially, unless Roman starts pulling strings, I don;t see Alex playing for Chelski in the near future.

so give me a break iam only 16
not sure what that was for but we have a mod who is your age, maybe even younger, so that's not much of an excuse for anything ;)

Giorgos
08-03-2007, 07:50
< don't u think that ur country thing was a little racist> never mind thank u giorgos[/QUOTE]

As far as PAOK fans i will say to you what we are shouting to him after coming here , "You should show to Rivaldo how to play ball, Shikabala, shikabala" which in Greek is Mathe(study) to Rivaldo ligi bala (how to play a little bit of football), Shikaballa, Shikaballa..... :)

Brasileiro
08-03-2007, 08:06
well, then I guess a full answer is that those "most people" are simply seeing things ... check the line ups here:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=205200&cc=5739
and
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=212459&cc=5739

Alex was on the bench vs Argentina and didn't play a single minute in that game. As for the game vs Portugal, he wasn't even called up for it ... and that was not because he was injured since he was playing for PSV at the time of the Brazil-Portugal game.

All in all, over the past year, Alex has featured in 1-2 low profile friendlies for Brazil (like the one vs Kuwait, I think). Other than that, most of the time he is not even called up in the Brazil NT and even when he is, he is on the bench with Lucio, Juan, and even Luisao (Benfica) being before Alex in the pecking order.

In order to get that work permit to play in the EPL, Alex must play regularly - not merely called up but play - for 1-2 years in the NT ... so, bascially, unless Roman starts pulling strings, I don;t see Alex playing for Chelski in the near future.


not sure what that was for but we have a mod who is your age, maybe even younger, so that's not much of an excuse for anything ;)
zlatanov, Alex was called for the game against Portugal. But was cut 2 days before the game for na muscular injure.
Alex in Dunga era is a constant, but as you said, he´s the 4 choice(what for us brazilians is crazy) behind Lúciu, Juan and Luizão...
BTW zlatanov, do you know if just to be called, the player can get the work license to play in EPL, or the guy needs to play the 75% of the games???
Thanks :5ok:

zlatanov
08-03-2007, 08:17
zlatanov, Alex was called for the game against Portugal. But was cut 2 days before the game for na muscular injure.
Alex in Dunga era is a constant, but as you said, he´s the 4 choice(what for us brazilians is crazy) behind Lúciu, Juan and Luizão...
BTW zlatanov, do you know if just to be called, the player can get the work license to play in EPL, or the guy needs to play the 75% of the games???
Thanks :5ok:
I don't know what injury that was but Alex played a full game for PSV 2-3 before the Brazil-Portugal game (feb 5th or 6th) and another full game 2-3 days after it.
But you are probably right, maybe it was just a precaution.
As for the rule, he has to PLAY - being merely called up or sitting on the bench without playing doesn't count - in 75% of the games of Brazil NT and must have done so for a certain period of time - like the past 1-2 years or so.

Anyway we cut it, with Lucio and Juan in there and Luisao behind them, for now, and with Pepe coming in strong too, I guess Alex will get a Dutch citizenship (will make him a EU player) faster than Chelski would be able to get him a work permit for EPL ... and by that time, his contract should be nearing it's end.

hishamilan
08-03-2007, 08:38
ok well!! first thank you so much giorgos ur a very freindly team and supporters and that is what all egyptian players abroad say :5ok: as for the 16 years issue i think it was a liitle showy :rolleyes: well i reviewed the lineups and they are not including alex but at the end no hard fealings all milanistas :5ok: so how about ""you know that EVANDER SNO is great 19 so tough and technical and a reply for our continious request for a backup for both pirlo and seedorf also could be MANICHE , BODMER, LUCHO GONZALEZ"" :) :)

zlatanov
08-03-2007, 08:50
so how about ""you know that EVANDER SNO is great 19 so tough and technical and a reply for our continious request for a backup for both pirlo and seedorf also could be MANICHE , BODMER, LUCHO GONZALEZ"" :) :)
I personally hadn't watched him before last night's game - and I suspect this is true for you too :) - but my first impressions of him are that he is more of a "muscle-guy" type of midfielder like Ambro and Gattuso rather than the creative type like Seedorf and Pirlo.
Looks like a good player but at least for now nothing too impressive, although he is still young and could improve a lot ... still, his type of player is much easier to find IMO than creative players like Seedorf and Pirlo.
We also seem to be keen on Barusso (rimini), who is a similar type of player like Sno, around 22-23 yo, so I doubt milan would even consider Sno at this point in time.

hishamilan
08-03-2007, 09:03
i think that brazil's ELANO has the creative chracteristics of a CM or even LUCHO GONZALEZ

Tony29.
08-03-2007, 09:45
That Sno guy lost around 20 balls yesterday and more than 30 in both legs. He did "steal" some balls but it's uncomparable to the number of unforced errors he made.

Many times he lost the ball when he mustn't have done so and gave Milan the chance to counter and score. Luckily for him Kaka wasn't at his best on those occasions.
But the last he lost it, Kaka didn't make a mistake and scored.

Not only i wasn't impressed by him, but i even blame him for Celtic's elimination !

Tony29.
08-03-2007, 09:57
As for Boruc, he and Buffon seem to be the top choices for Milan's next GK ... and I am not kidding :D

I don't know how reliable these news are because at the end they say Buffon will cost £43m, which is too much !

zlatanov
08-03-2007, 10:10
I don't know how reliable these news are because at the end they say Buffon will cost £43m, which is too much !
I presume this is including the salary in a 5 year contract ... but I agree, getting Buffon would be a costly operation, unwisely costly IMO.
We shouldn't forget however that it's Silvio who's involved here and he seems to have taken Buffon's and Dinho's possible transfers rather personally and looks ready to splash big for them.

hishamilan
08-03-2007, 10:22
rather than the creative type like Seedorf and Pirlo.

i think that brazil's ELANO <russia>has the creative chracteristics of a CM or even LUCHO GONZALEZ

Tony29.
08-03-2007, 10:27
I presume this is including the salary in a 5 year contract ... but I agree, getting Buffon would be a costly operation, unwisely costly IMO.
We shouldn't forget however that it's Silvio who's involved here and he seems to have taken Buffon's and Dinho's possible transfers rather personally and looks ready to splash big for them.
I don't doubt the possibility Buffon to go to Milan , i just found the £43m unbelievable.
But if salary's are included then we get a logical price of some 30 +/- M Eur just to get him from Juve.

And if Berlu's taking this so personally and is ready to splash big on Gigi, then i'll personally take Buffon to Milan if Berlu pays these £43m to Juve only.
He'll practically buy us a new team like he did with Roberto Baggio's transfer in 1995 ........ a team that won the CL and played 2 more CL finals :grinser:

zlatanov
08-03-2007, 10:37
i think that brazil's ELANO <russia>has the creative chracteristics of a CM or even LUCHO GONZALEZ
they are both pretty good options - both are physically strong yet creative players - but not the only ones.
One big issue with both, though - they are non-EU players.
And Lucho would cost us an easy 20 mil, and we'll have to convince Porto to sell him.
Blumer should be cheaper than that but still he is not an only option and is non-EU.

zlatanov
08-03-2007, 10:42
I don't doubt the possibility Buffon to go to Milan , i just found the £43m unbelievable.
But if salary's are included then we get a logical price of some 30 +/- M Eur just to get him from Juve.

And if Berlu's taking this so personally and is ready to splash big on Gigi, then i'll personally take Buffon to Milan if Berlu pays these £43m to Juve only.
He'll practically buy us a new team like he did with Roberto Baggio's transfer in 1995 ........ a team that won the CL and played 2 more CL finals :grinser:
Now you are thinking like a Moggi and not just a fan ;) ... I BET he's brimming with pride :grinser:

I am pretty sure the salary is included in that figure - 30 mil or so for a transfer fee + a 5-year contract with 6 or so mil/year = 60 mil euro, more or less, which is a little over 40 mil BP.

In that case, I guess you won't be willing to personally bring him to Milan but we'll have to go get him by ourselves. :diablo:

mrki
08-03-2007, 14:01
Im pretty sure the figure will be a secret between Juve and Berlusconi...If Juve agrees to sell him, Gigi will be payed more than well enough. If Milan doesnt catch Ronaldinho im sure we'll go for Buffon 100%! Full power ahead! :) Gomes, Buffon, Akinfeev....those are all good keepers, normally Gigi is the best, but we need to work other things in our team. Keeper is not no.1 theme, we'll work it out in the end.

Rossonera
08-03-2007, 14:30
I WANT BORUC!!!!! :diablo:

rossoneri
08-03-2007, 16:19
in summer we should buy two impossible transfers : buffon and ronaldinho

zlatanov
08-03-2007, 16:26
in summer we should buy two impossible transfers : buffon and ronaldinho
the first part I understand well - if we buy them then that will make them "possible" ... but here is where I get lost - if they are "possible", then we shouldn't buy them but look elsewhere for "impossible" transfers and if we buy those other impossible transfers, they again become "possible" ... oh boy, football management is too complex for me ... I quit :D

Tony29.
08-03-2007, 17:18
in summer we should buy two impossible transfers : buffon and ronaldinho

1. I have one suggestion :
Why don't we guys open a "Post of the month" topic, lets say in Discussions or Flamers Paradise. If someone likes certain post he can copy/paste it there and somewhere at the end of the month a mod will make a poll with all the nominations, people can vote and we'll get the Post of The Month.

2. If you agree to do so then i nominate Rossoneri's post :)

SANT
08-03-2007, 17:31
Tony, please do us the honor... it was your idea, you open it...

I think it'd be nice to get all the good posts in one thread... as long as we DON'T comment too much on them in that particular thread... that would take away the quality...

Tony29.
08-03-2007, 17:54
Tony, please do us the honor... it was your idea, you open it...

I think it'd be nice to get all the good posts in one thread... as long as we DON'T comment too much on them in that particular thread... that would take away the quality...

I will Sant. I was waiting for a great post to come so i'd open such topic because nominating rossoneri's post was a joke. I never ment to nominate it for real ( although both his post and Zlat's reply were ... :haha: :haha: )

One of you Milan fans who isn't so active anymore but is here with us 24/7 ( ;) , i knew you can't live without us mate ) asked me to nominate this post Drucurl wrote :
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=418366&postcount=1927

Personally , i hate that post , and it's more of a joke than it is an informative and breath taking post, but since i think even some post that don't have much to do with football but are very funny should sometime win the Post of the Month award , i'll nominate drucurl's post.

I guess the Discussion subforum is ok for this topic ?

Samuca
08-03-2007, 18:07
Ronaldinho is a bluff, don´t have quality to play on Milan and would be lost playing on Calcio

Ronaldinho use to play against weaky deffenses on Spain League so he can show him free-styler kind of game but he is not a player for Calcio's deffenses

Milan needs a great middlefield like Gerrard, Essien or Juninho Pernambucano to do a rotate on the middle with Pirlo, Kaká and Seedorf, a nice right side player like Ilsinho (I really hope Milan don´t choose this, would be bad for São Paulo), Cicinho, Zambrotta, Zaccardo, Rafinha or Daniel Alves to substitute Cafú and a nice left side player like Grosso, Zambrotta, Jadílson(I really hope Milan don´t choose this, would be bad for São Paulo), Fábio Aurélio or Riise

SANT
08-03-2007, 18:29
glad you didn't say:

"Milan needs a replacement for Dida, like Rogerio Ceni (I really hope Milan don´t choose this, would be bad for São Paulo)" :str:

Samuca
08-03-2007, 20:24
glad you didn't say:

"Milan needs a replacement for Dida, like Rogerio Ceni (I really hope Milan don´t choose this, would be bad for São Paulo)" :str:

Rogério Ceni would be a fantastic player for Milan but he cannot leave São Paulo

Ilsinho and Jadílson Milan can buy, actualy Milan is already trying Ilsinho

Vadim
08-03-2007, 20:58
the first part I understand well - if we buy them then that will make them "possible" ... but here is where I get lost - if they are "possible", then we shouldn't buy them but look elsewhere for "impossible" transfers and if we buy those other impossible transfers, they again become "possible" ... oh boy, football management is too complex for me ... I quit :D

It reminds me of a classic post by Jamie a while back regarding some transfer... "We should give them cash and maybe money" :grinser:

Here it is by the way :D

http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=361185&postcount=35

zlatanov
08-03-2007, 21:17
yeah I remember that one ... I was just looking for it :D

Stitch
09-03-2007, 01:48
I nominate the first post from the Paolo Inzaghi thread :D :D

Jim_UK
09-03-2007, 13:17
i don't remember typing that at all :googly:

kastriot
09-03-2007, 13:32
It reminds me of a classic post by Jamie a while back regarding some transfer... "We should give them cash and maybe money" :grinser:

Here it is by the way :D

http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=361185&postcount=35
:grinser: :grinser: :grinser:

zlatanov
09-03-2007, 14:44
i don't remember typing that at all :googly:
well, isn't that exactly the reason why you posted it in the first place? :grinser:

Dave
09-03-2007, 15:29
Ronaldinho is a bluff, don´t have quality to play on Milan and would be lost playing on Calcio

Ronaldinho use to play against weaky deffenses on Spain League so he can show him free-styler kind of game but he is not a player for Calcio's deffenses

Milan needs a great middlefield like Gerrard, Essien or Juninho Pernambucano to do a rotate on the middle with Pirlo, Kaká and Seedorf, a nice right side player like Ilsinho (I really hope Milan don´t choose this, would be bad for São Paulo), Cicinho, Zambrotta, Zaccardo, Rafinha or Daniel Alves to substitute Cafú and a nice left side player like Grosso, Zambrotta, Jadílson(I really hope Milan don´t choose this, would be bad for São Paulo), Fábio Aurélio or Riise
I`m totally agree with you!!! :p017:

Jim_UK
09-03-2007, 16:16
well, isn't that exactly the reason why you posted it in the first place? :grinser:


Ich verstehe nicht!

I don't understand what you're trying to tell me Zlat.

Giorgos
09-03-2007, 16:33
Ronaldinho is a bluff, don´t have quality to play on Milan and would be lost playing on Calcio

Ronaldinho use to play against weaky deffenses on Spain League so he can show him free-styler kind of game but he is not a player for Calcio's deffenses

Milan needs a great middlefield like Gerrard, Essien or Juninho Pernambucano to do a rotate on the middle with Pirlo, Kaká and Seedorf, a nice right side player like Ilsinho (I really hope Milan don´t choose this, would be bad for São Paulo), Cicinho, Zambrotta, Zaccardo, Rafinha or Daniel Alves to substitute Cafú and a nice left side player like Grosso, Zambrotta, Jadílson(I really hope Milan don´t choose this, would be bad for São Paulo), Fábio Aurélio or Riise

I tottally agree, i also vote for Alves and why not Snejder would be fantastic for our midfield. I would also love to see Van de Vaart if we hadnt taken Gourcuff, we had linked with him in the past. :ende:

Giorgos
09-03-2007, 16:52
For some of your proposals: Boruts didnt still proove his quality for a long time to believe in him, in contrast Gomes had done it. A new talent is Wiise of Werder. For Snow i dont want to let down my Egyptian friend but i think also like Zlt that he is more for the hard work. One thing by sure Berlu promissed transfers and i beleive he will make them. As far as Ronaldihno to add i thnik he cant play in Milan which plays more tactical game, not as free as Barca and Spanish teams. I would prefer to invest to Buffon who is 28 to 29 and we can find our No #1 for at least 5 years. As far as the things the players say before transfer period (As Buffon said he want to stay in Juve) dont believe them, the most of them they dont say the truth i am a jounalist and i know that. I will say an example to you a player of PAOK three years ago had a meeting with board of PAOK Thessaloniki to renew his contract, he didnt after going out said i will not sign for Panathinaikos and after 3 yours he was annouced by Panathinaikos fc so...

zlatanov
09-03-2007, 17:19
Ich verstehe nicht!

I don't understand what you're trying to tell me Zlat.
du vergißt was du gerade geschrieben hast oder, mit anderen Worten, du hast keine Idee was du schreibst :diablo:

Vadim
09-03-2007, 17:27
ich bin no comprendo :dontkn:

zlatanov
09-03-2007, 17:30
ich bin no comprendo :dontkn:
I told him that, if he doesn't remember writing that post, he forgets what he's just written ... hence that "money and probably cash" masterpiece :grinser:

Kui
10-03-2007, 03:03
ich bin no comprendo :dontkn:

A minor correction perhaps. Rather than the verb sein perhaps habe would be best.

Jim_UK
10-03-2007, 06:27
I don't forget everything i've just written Zlat, i just don't remember writing that particular post. Do you remember every one of the 5000+ posts you've written? If you do you should be in Vegas counting cards and making a fortune :delol:


A minor correction perhaps. Rather than the verb sein perhaps habe would be best.


Or Vad could have just copied what i wrote ... Ich verstehe nicht (i don't understand) ... guw:

Arildonardo
10-03-2007, 07:46
I heard rumours that said contract-talks between Chelsea and John Terry has broken down. Now that would be quality signing!

Get one player in each department:

Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus)
John Terry (Chelsea)
Diego (Werder Bremen)
Fernando Torres (Atletico Madrid)

Wishful thinking... :tong:

Jim_UK
10-03-2007, 15:04
Terry's talks have indeed broke down, how serious this is though is another matter. However, he is available for just £9 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's how much it would cost to buy out the last two years of his contract, the same rules that apply to Lampard though he would cost £8 million.

It's a long shot i know, the longest shot around. But any chance we have of getting these two players for the same price we paid for Gilardino is a chance we must take and a chance we have to go for with everything we have! To me it is not even a risk as at these prices, should they fail we would certainly make the money back on them, particularly Terry who at 26 is arguably one of the best defenders in Europe.

It would be difficult to get these players as we know every major club will be after them but if we were lucky enough there is no reason why we couldn't see this set of players for an outlay of about £45 million (a figure that would surely be eclipsed if we got Ronaldinho and/or Buffon).

-----------------Boruc(£3.5m)-----------------
Alves(£12m)---Nesta---Terry(£9m)---Jankulovski
-----Gattuso------Pirlo------Lampard(£8m)-----
-------------Kaka-------Mancini(£13m)--------
-----------------Ronaldo---------------------

Wishful thinking to think we'd get all those players? Yes, probably. Unrealistic? No, i don't think it is if we're smart in the market.

zlatanov
10-03-2007, 15:50
Terry's talks have indeed broke down, how serious this is though is another matter. However, he is available for just £9 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's how much it would cost to buy out the last two years of his contract, the same rules that apply to Lampard though he would cost £8 million.

I am not sure where you read that Jim but I believe the rule that would make Lampard available for 8mil BP or so applies for players 28 yo and older ... something Terry is not at thispoint in time.

Jim_UK
10-03-2007, 16:07
Well that's what i thought aswell, but it seems they are suggesting the same rules apply for Terry at the moment.

kastriot
10-03-2007, 19:18
I am not sure where you read that Jim but I believe the rule that would make Lampard available for 8mil BP or so applies for players 28 yo and older ... something Terry is not at thispoint in time.


True I also think thats the case...it only applies to players 28+ years

Kaka1899
11-03-2007, 05:18
terry is also able to buy himself out according to the dailey mail

kastriot
11-03-2007, 05:36
terry is also able to buy himself out according to the dailey mail

I seriously dont think this could happen,, the reason why the negotiation broke down is that Terry asked for 9 year contract,which I find insane considering his 26.... Chelsea doesnt have problem matching his contract with ones of Sheva and Ballack (read 121.000 pounds),but the duration of the contract is a problem,but I think they`ll find a mutual agreement..

http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=253818

Jim_UK
11-03-2007, 05:48
The newspaper i read it from yesterday has since corrected themselves ( but in a way to not admit they were wrong :rollani: ) and said that you have to be 28+ to buy out your contract.

I sometimes wonder who actually writes these things, trained monkeys could do a better job and be more intellectual.

King tiger
11-03-2007, 06:07
http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=253818

real capitano :stupid: