View Full Version : Cigarettes: Which brand do you smoke?
All the brands promise to give the smoker that "smooth, rich, Tobacco flavor" experience. Yet, people tend to stick by a particular brand for some reason or another.
If you smoke, which brand do you buy????
Forza Marlboro
Smoking is so UN-PC (politically correct) in this country it's not even funny to see this topic.....
I smoke Marlboro's Reds
I also add some STUFF to my cigarettes.
Do u andy
If there are something I hate then it is smoke from cigarettes...
It is stupid to smoke that's my opinion on this.
Over 2 billion people can't be wrong!
Smoking is evil yet drinking beer is "A" ok??
Forza Milan
King Italy
10-10-2001, 00:32
I would never take up smoking :yuk:
Good , it is a very hard habit to quit and it is also cheap , so every can afford it.
Originally posted by Andy1899
Over 2 billion people can't be wrong!
Smoking is evil yet drinking beer is "A" ok??
Forza Milan
It's ok for me if people smoke on their own. But if people smoke close to me they poison me too.
And don't expect me to feel pity when you die of it.
At my work one died five years ago because of cancer, most probably from his smoking. Two years ago another at the work had to do an dangerous heart operation because of smoking (they where sure smoking was the cause this time). After that operation he never touched an cigarette again and he started exercising.
Take it easy Kris. I don't smoke either as the question I'm asking is for curiosity only.
Forza Milan
As long as it is a cigarette, I'll smoke any brand.
I prefer Marlboro.
Forza Marlboro.
bring back my outlaw friend the COWBOY!
ps chill out you smoke NAZI's
Originally posted by kris
And don't expect me to feel pity when you die of it.
Maybe this was over the top Andy? :)
el_chillum
11-10-2001, 13:28
I smoked for 6 years and i almost quit ... I dont have troubles with it ... it's strange that i see everyone struggling to quit while with me it was so easy ... ... I smoked 6 years one packed / day ... .. I just smoke on occasions now ... for fun, not becuz i need it!
---> i smoke L&M light :D .. the best cigs on earth :p
---> next time: what kind of weed do you smoke :p
cheers!
begodude
12-10-2001, 02:59
I don't smoke...:mad:
But I think those smoking people is an anonymous hero for the whole world... you know why....
1. They bring benefits to the country from the tax...
2. They bring a lot of working fields for he labors
3. They bring benefits for the business
and last but not least....
4. They bring benefits to hospitals, doctors, and nurses.....:D:D:D:D:D:D
el_chillum
12-10-2001, 04:23
And the world of Racing gets a lot better from it :)
You all contribute to the F1, CART, IRL, NASCAR, WRC, Touring car etc ... :p
cheers :beer:
Stefania
12-10-2001, 04:44
I know a lot of people are against smoking but he's just asking what brand do smokers smoke.
Originally posted by kris
It's ok for me if people smoke on their own. But if people smoke close to me they poison me too.
And don't expect me to feel pity when you die of it.
A typical non smoker who thinks the world belongs to him.
Smokers have their rights too...they should smoke whereever and whenever they want.
I smoke Marlboro Lights btw.
does anyone ever taste gudang garam
it is indonesia cigarettes;) ;)
Gudang Garam sucks,it should'nt be called a cigarette . it's more like a dessert
begodude
13-10-2001, 02:12
Definetely Djarum Super. They are the true hero of Indonesian soccer...:D:D:D
Originally posted by Gaz
Smokers have their rights too...they should smoke whereever and whenever they want.
Not when they're risking other people's health too!!
No way.
I don't smoke cigarettes but like cigars.
Cohiba, Partagas and Punch are my favourite brands!
I don't smoke infront of others...
Originally posted by Gaz
A typical non smoker who thinks the world belongs to him.
Smokers have their rights too...they should smoke whereever and whenever they want.
I smoke Marlboro Lights btw.
Is it OK if I spit on you then?
You see the smoke can affect me in an bad way, so why should I tolerate that someone poisons me?
After all some spit is totally harmless. :D
I like Dunhill but got to say rolled cigarettes taste better.
to all anti-smokers: pls start ur own thread!
Originally posted by kris
Is it OK if I spit on you then?
You see the smoke can affect me in an bad way, so why should I tolerate that someone poisons me?
After all some spit is totally harmless. :D
If you spit on me, that is DELIBERATE....if I smoke beside you, I don't DELIBERATELY BLOW AT YOU or try to AFFECT you..
You surely can see the difference???
if you really fear about being poisoned, maybe you should take up smoking too :D
Yeah! If smoke is a problem... dont drive your car when I'm walking on the sidewalk. Your Carbon Monoxcide will kill me. Some non-smokers think its only us smokers causing health problems. Well the hour before I die, I'll make sure I'm smoking and eating a oily bacon sandwich while having sex to an HIV tramp girl.
FORZA Tobacco!
Until the national governments forbid or ban smoking and/or tobacco use, complaining only falls on deaf ears. Unfortunately the majority of us live in countries where morality has been replaced by legality.
Forza Milan
Roberto Baggio
15-10-2001, 23:55
I don't smoke but I've never had a problem with smokers,They are'nt breaking the law.This is a bit of harmless fun Good on ya Andy too many Kill joys,Look at all the celebrities who smoke supermodels,sportsstars etc you cant beat it but we can always try.Peer group pressure or just being weak you want to smoke its up to you not ant one else.Anyway I'm amazed about all the types of brands of ciggarettes out there I always liked the look of Camel and Lucky Strike I also have a fascination with lighters especially Zippo's.
I haven't had a cigarette in years, but in highschool I used to smoke clove cigarettes (the faux-hipster's choice). I think they were from Indonesia (they were called "Jakarta" brand or somesuch), and those things were numbingly good (ah memeries of youth...).
RIO
Originally posted by RIO
I haven't had a cigarette in years, but in highschool I used to smoke clove cigarettes (the faux-hipster's choice). I think they were from Indonesia (they were called "Jakarta" brand or somesuch), and those things were numbingly good (ah memeries of youth...).
RIO
ah scented cigarrettes. It's called gudang garam...but when I was living in Australia it was completely ban in public places
A hot discussion! Sorry to say it but it's kind of plain weird to compare smoking and spitting at somebody (cause spitting at somebody is really an insult and quite a big one)! Furthermore I think that it is not PC to abuse or even harass smokers, it's within the free will of anybody to smoke or not and I really don't like fanatical non-smokers (as their behavior sometimes is really rude, they treat smokers like murderers and that's a bit over the top IMO). There are much more interesting topics to talk about (our beloved Milan for example) and we shouldn't really argue about smoking (there are much more important things than smoking)!
BTW I smoke Marlboro Lights and Muratti (if I have the chance to get them)
Love, Peace and Smoke
Max
Onimaci,
Where have ya been? haven't seen you in ages. I saw you in xtratime recently. Thanks for your support on this smoking issue hehe...
BTW. I'm Gaz van Basten in xtratime. ;) Nice to see you're back
In my opinion, smoking is completely useless...it costs you alot of money, very bad taste in your mouth, it intoxicates your body, alot of people won't like you, you're unhappy if you don't get a sigarette,.... better-> smoke marihuana, at leats it makes you laugh, and it isn't so unhealthy...
is it so difficcult for a smoker to walk outside if he wants a smoke ?
Leo it's so true what u said,i hope every1 pots and be happy and be merry,
LEGALIS CANNABIS!!!
In Belgium and in Holland it's allready legalised...;) ;) :devil: :crazy: :proud:
I know dude ,i will be makin it to amsterdam somewhere next year ,get wasted completly go for some raves do some Acid,u know what i mean.
If theres one thing I canīt stand itīs those fanatic non-smokers... Actually itīs normally those who have quit smoking who are the worst.. Itīs your own problem if you wanna poison yourself.. If you donīt like the smoke avoid it.. But donīt ask others to quit just because you donīt like it...And that about this topic being politically uncorrect really makes me laugh.. Says everything about the states..
My own brand is the danish cigarette Prince Light...
Maevious
07-11-2001, 23:05
What is more Smoking is anti-sexual! ;) ;) ;)
In my opinion, smoking is completely useless...it costs you alot of money, very bad taste in your mouth, it intoxicates your body, alot of people won't like you, you're unhappy if you don't get a cigarette,....
Ah but you forget it makes you look cool
Ah but you forget it makes you look cool
Cooler than a tattoo?
Forza Milan
Nowadays, smoking is not "just smoking". It is more matter of person branding. It shows to which group you belong, what you do in life, etc.
At the very basic level, you can hardly tell the difference between various ciragarette brands. What matters is what signals pop up in your cousciousness when you are just about to buy cigarette pack. It is just about what you want to be.
In fact, the ad firms decide on who and what you want to be. So, you're not yourself anymore. You're just a continuation of the ad you saw.
I'd stick for marijuana. You know why it is still not allowed in so many countries around the world? Don't be mislead by so called scientific researches. Tobacco companies know how to request for the "right" research.
Marijuana isn't brand, and I hope it wouldn't be and I wouldn't see a "MariJ" pack of marijuana filled cigarettes from Philip Morris idiots.
I've smoken marijuana myself about 7-8 years ago, when I was kind of young :) But I somehow just switched off to other (non-narcotic) things in life.
Anyway, I just support legalization of marijuana.
I think Andy should conduct a research on How many People smoke Marijuana in this forums,I know of 5 people.
any more smokers, we have new members now. :w186:
i don't mind if smokers choose to kill themselves by sticking a mini exhaust pipe in their mouth. but please spare the rest of humanity from your disgusting habit and don't smoke in a car where other passengers are non-smokers, or indoors or blow smoke in the face of passers-by.
i was watchin in the news a few days ago how cigarette smoke adds 8 years to a persons life. gee...8 years!
i am sorry if i am not pro-smoking but i was in the company of someone who was a constant smoker for a few months and now i have a severe allergy to it and i get chest pains and my breathing suffers from it.
i don't mind if smokers choose to kill themselves by sticking a mini exhaust pipe in their mouth. but please spare the rest of humanity from your disgusting habit and don't smoke in a car where other passengers are non-smokers, or indoors or blow smoke in the face of passers-by.
i was watchin in the news a few days ago how cigarette smoke adds 8 years to a persons life. gee...8 years!
i am sorry if i am not pro-smoking but i was in the company of someone who was a constant smoker for a few months and now i have a severe allergy to it and i get chest pains and my breathing suffers from it.
you don't smoke, so feel free not to post in this thread.
never tried to put a cigarette in my mouth
:stuckup:
you don't smoke, so feel free not to post in this thread.
thanks for the suggestion but i will also feel free to post in it if i like. as far as i know, it's a public forum eh?
sorry, but hiding from the fact that cigarette smoke kills you and others is not going to make it go away. that's probably why you want me to stop posting in this thread. I do hope you, and others here will quit smoking - if not for your own sake, but for the sake of your fellow non-smoking human beings like me.
from Redcross.org
# Each year, 390,000 American die from the effects of smoking.
# Cigarette smokers have more than twice the risk of heart attack.
# Cigarette smokers have two to four times the chance of cardiac arrest.
# Giving up smoking rapidly reduces the risk of heart disease. After a number of years, the risk of heart disease diminishes to the same level as a person who has never smoked.
# A pregnant woman who smokes increases her baby's chances of infant crib death.
from the American Cancer Society website at www.cancer.org
Smoking increases the risk of lung diseases such as emphysema and chronic bronchitis. These progressive lung diseases - grouped under the term COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) - are usually diagnosed in current or former smokers in their 60s and 70s. COPD causes chronic illness and disability and is eventually fatal.
Smokers are twice as likely to die from heart attacks as are nonsmokers. And smoking is a major risk factor for peripheral vascular disease, a narrowing of the blood vessels that carry blood to the leg and arm muscles.
Smoking also causes premature wrinkling of the skin, bad breath, bad smelling clothes and hair, and yellow fingernails.
Based on data collected from 1995 to 1999, the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) recently estimated that adult male smokers lost an average of 13.2 years of life and female smokers lost 14.5 years of life because of smoking.
THE GOOD NEWS IS:
"# Quitting smoking has major and immediate health benefits for men and women of all ages. Benefits apply to people with and without smoking-related disease.
# Former smokers live longer than continuing smokers. For example, people who quit smoking before age 50 have one-half the risk of dying in the next 15 years compared with continuing smokers.
# Quitting smoking decreases the risk of lung cancer, other cancers, heart attack, stroke, and chronic lung disease.
# Women who stop smoking before pregnancy or during the first 3 to 4 months of pregnancy reduce their risk of having a low birth weight baby to that of women who never smoked.
# The health benefits of quitting smoking far exceed any risks from the average 5-pound weight gain or any adverse psychological effects that may follow quitting."
dont smoke but all my friends do... they smoke marlboro mainly, they like lights the most, then medium and only the craziest one smokes the red one... that guy smokes 2 packets a day
there was a CBC radio presenter PETER GZOWSKI who died from smoking, has this written in his bio in cbc.ca. 75 cigs a day!!!
"He died of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or what is more commonly known as emphysema, "the smoker's disease." Gzowski has often discussed and written about his addiction to cigarette-smoking. In the recent book Addicted: notes from the belly of the beast, published by Greystone Books, he wrote a chapter he titled, "How to quit smoking in 50 years or less." In that chapter he says he smoked three large packages of Rothman's a day 75 cigarettes. He wrote, "I have what the health care system, bless its heart, calls COPD, for Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, but which everyone knows really means emphysema
."
i only like to smoke the argeeleh ... i think its called hubbly bubbly (stupid name) outside the arab world... shomo (dida) can inform u about it
it's called a hubble bubble or a sheesha or a bong here :)
Smoking is like everything else, consume to much of it and it will kill you. So will fat, salt, barbequed food, alcohol, sugar, wasabi and you name it.
I operate on a "do it because you want to, not because you have to" basis for most things in life. I stopped drinking caffine because I got addicted. I still smoke occationally because I like it and have no problems with limiting my consumption.
And that's my 2 cents :r11:
Sputnik Monroe
24-06-2005, 11:10
Camel Non Filter
"its easy to quit smoking. I ve done it so many times..."
sorry, but hiding from the fact that cigarette smoke kills you and others is not going to make it go away. that's probably why you want me to stop posting in this thread. I do hope you, and others here will quit smoking - if not for your own sake, but for the sake of your fellow non-smoking human beings like me.
www.cancer.org
Kudos to Nadir! I don't smoke, never did, and gee, I have a funny reaction around second hand smoke--my lungs contract and I can't breath. OUr neighbors on the one side of us smoke like freakin' chimneys even when they are outside mowing the lawn. Yeah, I mean lit ciggie hanging oh so attractively out of their mouths while putting gas in the lawn mower and starting it up. The disgusting thing is that now both of their teenage kids smoke. the girl, 2 years y0unger than the son, held out as long as she could but hey, what the heck, she was inhaling enough second hand smoke she might as well start, so she did.
I actually feel sorry for the 2 or 3 faculty members here at school who just cannot stop smoking, even tho the building has been smoke free for 10 years. In fact, I feel sorry for anyone who's so hooked they not only can't stop but they think it's attractive AND makes them look cool and grown up. :d55: :d55: :d55: :d55: :d55: :d55:
It is not cool to smoke, but it tastes nice with beer :cheers:
Billy_Montreal
24-06-2005, 11:58
Actually, its not easy to quit. Studies have shown that it is much more difficult to quit smoking cigarettes than heroin or cocaine.
At the end of the day, there is too much economic gain from tobacco companies. The companies generate jobs way beyond the plant (sub-contracts, hired professionals (lawyers, accountants) and often times are willing to outbid most sponsors to have their name on race cars, tournaments and festivals. For this reason, governments are unwilling to take the final step if truly cigarettes are the killer: i.e. regulate their use. Marijuana and weed-related drugs are illegal. Granted, alcohol is greatly regulated because of its effects (impaired driving) but is also banned in public places (parks, street, etc). If the government truly cared about non-smokers and smokers for that matter they would ban smoking in public places rather than flimsy by-laws banning smoking in restaurants and bars.
The bottom line is not 'health' but as the Clinton Administration once stated 'its the economy stupid'.
I agree that smoking should be banned from places where it can adversely affect the health of others, such as offices, restaurants etc. Banning it in public (as in out in the open air) would IMO infringe on individual rights without considerably improving the health of others.
One thought could be to impose fines for those who dumb cigarette butts on the street. :r11:
Dude the air quality is just as crappy in an air conditioned room. Now I'm not advocating people being allowed to smoke in an office or anything like that. What I think is ridiculous is some of the shallow mindedness of some... not all regarding air quality. There is a lot of reasons why air quality is so bad, yet when it comes to other culprits polluting the air, all those guilty who are non-smokers are utterly silent! I'm meaning the car you drive, the hair spray one uses, and any cfc output gizmos that are out there...etc.
I had a friend who smoked a little over a pack per day. Now you talk about life and such. While diriving home from work, a non-smoker collided with him smashing his face beyond recognition. I hope he at least had a cigarette before he went. Kindly think of that one before anyone indulges about caring for his health.
FORZA MILAN
arpanmilan
24-06-2005, 12:58
i smoke benson & hedges and sometimes when i am in a good mood i hav hash or grass.
when i am in a good mood i hav hash or grass.
:w155: :whie:
watch the movie "The Insider" starring Al Pacino. tells you what the tobacco industry is upto.
watch the movie "The Insider" starring Al Pacino. tells you what the tobacco industry is upto.
watch the movie "Plan 9 from outer space" starring Gregory Walcott. tells you what the aliens are up to. ;)
Billy_Montreal
24-06-2005, 13:51
watch the movie "The Insider" starring Al Pacino. tells you what the tobacco industry is upto.
great movie. Helps explain why cigarettes are more addictive than some hard drugs.
The other argument: air pollution, car accidents, murders, etc. (Whatever). I think we all aware that deaths occur at random whether one smokes or not but HOW that justifies the right of someone to smoke next to a non-smoker...sorry, falls flat.
yah i mean, if you want to kill yourself, you are free to do so. just don't kill me while you are it.
I've recently switched from Prince Light to North State Gold - they're cheaper and I can't really taste much of a difference.
I plan on quitting smoking from the 1st of August though :angel:
Smoking is like everything else, consume to much of it and it will kill you. So will fat, salt, barbequed food, alcohol, sugar, wasabi and you name it.
I operate on a "do it because you want to, not because you have to" basis for most things in life. I stopped drinking caffine because I got addicted. I still smoke occationally because I like it and have no problems with limiting my consumption.
And that's my 2 cents :r11:actually if you was born, you are doomed to be waisted some day... anyone who was born has to die... so even most innocent things we do cause the fact that we die... :lazy: :blind: i smoke benson & hedges and sometimes when i am in a good mood i hav hash or grass.I wonder how can you be iterested in sports... this thing with football has no connection, and even contradicts very much:rollani: :p146:
Maltese Charlie
24-06-2005, 16:54
I've recently switched from Prince Light to North State Gold - they're cheaper and I can't really taste much of a difference.
I plan on quitting smoking from the 1st of August though :angel:
Well, good luck my friend.
If you have a strong will it is not so difficult.
I started smoking at the age of 13 and stopped at the age of 21, smoking over 30 per day.
Now after nearly 25 years not smoking I am still consider it as my best decision I've ever made. From the first couple of weeks of quitting smoking you already can feel the positive difference.
Maltese Charlie
24-06-2005, 17:17
Smoking is like everything else, consume to much of it and it will kill you. So will fat, salt, barbequed food, alcohol, sugar, wasabi and you name it.
I operate on a "do it because you want to, not because you have to" basis for most things in life. I stopped drinking caffine because I got addicted. I still smoke occationally because I like it and have no problems with limiting my consumption.
And that's my 2 cents :r11:
I don't put smoking and Alcohol in the same catagory simply because:
while alcohol if consumed In moderation, that means 2 to 3 points /day, is scientifically proven that is of great health beneficial regarding heart problems, cigarettes are not, even if consumed in moderation the difference is only that if you smoke less you will have less damage but never positive beneficials like alcohol.
I don't put smoking and Alcohol in the same catagory simply because:
while alcohol if consumed In moderation, that means 2 to 3 points /day, is scientifically proven that is of great health beneficial regarding heart problems, cigarettes are not, even if consumed in moderation the difference is only that if you smoke less you will have less damage but never positive beneficials like alcohol.
While it is true that alcohol may have some benefits at low consumption levels, it is by no means proven that consumption of alcohol (at any level) in general is good for you. Smoking is allways bad for you, but so is exposing your skin to the sun (at least if you are as pale as me).
At the end of the day you got to enjoy living and to do so make decisions that are bad for you. By limiting the consumption of pleassures that are bad for you to only what truely improves your quality of life (and hence not getting addicted forcing you to chain smoke cigarettes 7 am while O.D.ing on coffee just to stay awake), I think a reasonably healthy balance can be reached.
I smoke between 5-7 cigarettes a week (and an occational cigar) and enjoy it greatly :r11:
here in jordan smoking is like a must to most people... i remember me and a friend were in a taxi and he had this huge sign on the window saying no smoking - if you want to kill urself do it away from us... just when i finished reading it i looked at the driver and he immedietly lit up a cigarette... my friends and i laughed the whole trip
vickirin
24-06-2005, 23:46
Faros mexican Cigar's :D :1five:
great movie. Helps explain why cigarettes are more addictive than some hard drugs.
The other argument: air pollution, car accidents, murders, etc. (Whatever). I think we all aware that deaths occur at random whether one smokes or not but HOW that justifies the right of someone to smoke next to a non-smoker...sorry, falls flat.
I'm not justifying smoking next to another person as a right. What I am saying is that besides this, how do you equivocate someone driving next to me with a potentially deadly tool such as a vehicle being ok???? Or for that matter me crossing the street and someone in his or her vehicle spewing carcinogens in the air that I breath??? So you may think it falls flat. Obviously there is hypocracy going on because now we accept some lifestyle choices and yet deny other lifestyles.
So if we talk about banning cigarettes, we sure as heck need to ban a whole sh!t load of other things too. Still I guess it is only and ONLY the smoker who is the problem in society. I like to see it happen! Dare you all non-smokers to believe in this. Watch the economy go to **** and your welfare govt get a shortfall of cash which some of you are dependent on getting your free medical coverage and college tuition!
Dr Milano
25-06-2005, 07:18
I'm not justifying smoking next to another person as a right. What I am saying is that besides this, how do you equivocate someone driving next to me with a potentially deadly tool such as a vehicle being ok???? Or for that matter me crossing the street and someone in his or her vehicle spewing carcinogens in the air that I breath??? So you may think it falls flat. Obviously there is hypocracy going on because now we accept some lifestyle choices and yet deny other lifestyles.
So if we talk about banning cigarettes, we sure as heck need to ban a whole sh!t load of other things too. Still I guess it is only and ONLY the smoker who is the problem in society. I like to see it happen! Dare you all non-smokers to believe in this. Watch the economy go to **** and your welfare govt get a shortfall of cash which some of you are dependent on getting your free medical coverage and college tuition!
i dont smoke never have and never willl y smoke people who smoke r zoids
Maltese Charlie
25-06-2005, 08:41
While it is true that alcohol may have some benefits at low consumption levels, it is by no means proven that consumption of alcohol (at any level) in general is good for you. Smoking is allways bad for you, but so is exposing your skin to the sun (at least if you are as pale as me).
At the end of the day you got to enjoy living and to do so make decisions that are bad for you. By limiting the consumption of pleassures that are bad for you to only what truely improves your quality of life (and hence not getting addicted forcing you to chain smoke cigarettes 7 am while O.D.ing on coffee just to stay awake), I think a reasonably healthy balance can be reached.
I smoke between 5-7 cigarettes a week (and an occational cigar) and enjoy it greatly :r11:
My point is that while all the others at least in few amounts are good for health smoking is not.
Regards alcohol, yes it has good benefits if consumed in moderation and by adults. In fact even some surgens are suggesting to their patients after a full recovery from a bye pass surgery to drink a glass of red wine after meals on a daily basis.
Unfortunately there are many things in life which are killing us all slowly, but at least we can reduce those things which are of no importance.
If you smoke an average of a cigarette a day you cannot really call yourself a smoker and I know that sometimes people enjoy smoking a cigarette while having a drink, but not me anymore. In fact that's why I stopped frequenting pubs and nightclubs because I cannot stand the smell of smoking. I'm allergic for that. If somebody smoke a cigarette near me indoor, sure I will be in need to use my inhalers.
If you smoke an average of a cigarette a day you cannot really call yourself a smoker and I know that sometimes people enjoy smoking a cigarette while having a drink
Indeed my very point :)
however IMO one cigarette per day is too much to call yer self a non-smoker ;)
Maltese Charlie
25-06-2005, 09:33
So if we talk about banning cigarettes, we sure as heck need to ban a whole sh!t load of other things too. Still I guess it is only and ONLY the smoker who is the problem in society. I like to see it happen! Dare you all non-smokers to believe in this. Watch the economy go to **** and your welfare govt get a shortfall of cash which some of you are dependent on getting your free medical coverage and college tuition!
I don't believe that if all the people stops smoking there will be a rebus in the government finance.
May be in the first couple of years there will be a debit, but on the long run not anymore.
For me its more like that the govt will finish with credit if people stops smoking.
You have to count the tax duty paid on tobacco which is a revinue to the govt, and on the other side all the days lost from work due to sickness related to smoking (passive smoking included). If the lost days will become productive are also a revinue to the govt. And the money paid by govt. on health treatments of smoking related cases. In Malta people don't pay (directly) for the public hospital treatments and surgeries.
So while it is true that the govt. will loose the tax duty, he will spend less on health and gather more money because of more productive days.
I'm not justifying smoking next to another person as a right. What I am saying is that besides this, how do you equivocate someone driving next to me with a potentially deadly tool such as a vehicle being ok???? Or for that matter me crossing the street and someone in his or her vehicle spewing carcinogens in the air that I breath??? So you may think it falls flat. Obviously there is hypocracy going on because now we accept some lifestyle choices and yet deny other lifestyles.
So if we talk about banning cigarettes, we sure as heck need to ban a whole sh!t load of other things too. Still I guess it is only and ONLY the smoker who is the problem in society. I like to see it happen! Dare you all non-smokers to believe in this. Watch the economy go to **** and your welfare govt get a shortfall of cash which some of you are dependent on getting your free medical coverage and college tuition!
your argument is not well thought out. people are willing to accept the evils of cars, because of the potential uses of a car and the traffic system. yes it can be improved by building more efficient highways and improving the transit system but in general society accepts the evils of the traffic system because it is useful in many ways.
if YOU smoke, it is not beneficial to society at all. In fact, I will not see the brighter side of YOU smoking even though it harms me via secondary smoke. I won't even care is smoking is beneficial to the economy or student loans if i can't breathe without hacking and have no stamina to do the things i love.
So if I were to buy into your theory here, I would say I am really really glad there are smokers out there who are willing to sacrifice their lungs and spend cash for the rest of us, so that we can relax in the lap of medical coverage and college tuition loans. Just please sacrifice your lungs in the privacy of your own homes and don't blow the smoke in my face - that is all I ask.
btw, equating smoking to providing healthcare is ridiculous. the healthcare system spends millions treating smokers diseases. in canada, they are contemplating charging extra taxes for smokers to cover THEIR OWN health care bills. Please don't tax the non-smoker to cure your self-inflicted pain.
however IMO one cigarette per day is too much to call yer self a non-smoker ;)
I don't really care what I am called, I smoke 5-7 cigarettes once a week, enjoy it and have no cravings for them other days of the week.
PS. Banning smoking alltogether would be a sure recipe for a new wave of criminal synicates moonlighting cigarettes. Hardly a prospect to look forward to
My sister's boyfriend recently did a contract IT job for Philip-Morris Inc. in Richmond, VA (USA) and, apparently, all the workers there get one free pack of cigarettes per day and can smoke in their work areas. I told my boss this (he is a pack a day smoker) and he was on the phone to Virginia looking for a new management job! :D
My sister's boyfriend recently did a contract IT job for Philip-Morris Inc. in Richmond, VA (USA) and, apparently, all the workers there get one free pack of cigarettes per day and can smoke in their work areas. I told my boss this (he is a pack a day smoker) and he was on the phone to Virginia looking for a new management job! :D
Well then, if my plans of quitting go up in smoke :mex: I'll know where to go to find solidarity :D
It would be seriously cool to get a job a Philip-Morris, then quit smoking referring to it as a "filthy habit" and encourage co-workers to join your quest for a smoke-free environment. I wonder how long you would last :r11:
Nadir. I am not advocating blowing smoke in your face. My point is that we in society have a number of vices. SMoking is not just an individual problem, it is a societal problem. Asking people to give up smoking is like asking people to give up there cars.... it isnt going to happen.
Some of you folks obviously dont understand the economic side of things or appriciate the economics of the tobacco industry. I have seen high-minded law makers vehemently go after the industry only later to shut up because when they took a look at revenue from taxtion of tobacco, they understood clearly where their power lay. That is the power to appropriate government income. Without such income, such ability to legislate fiscally is drastically reduced. This isnt greed but political reality. With 70% of tobacco purchases going to the government through taxation, doing the math a person smoking one pack a day for 365 1/4 days a year multiplied by the billions of smokers in the world, dont insult me about the economy not suffering. This isnt money to fvck around with for any govt who has bills to pay across the board for EVERYONE. So from an economical point... I will have to sadly say to all of you that yes the smoker does help out in society in more ways than you know... even if the habit is vile.
Nadir people die of a lot of things and besides a smoker already pays twice the tax as a non-smoker. 1. through the purchase of tobacco
2. in the United States most medical plans are through personal and private sectors.
Why should smokers pay extra??? The non-smoking campaigners are cooking the numbers so badly I can only laugh at the stupidity of it. I tell you what... why not use all that money they got from taxing tobacco solely for smokers health problems??? It is not good manners to blow smoke in your face Nadir... This I agree. But neither is it good manners for the elected govt to make decades of profit from this and wipe their hands clean of this. When I mean elected govt, I am also including all citizens because evryone has had some benefit from moneys collected from tobacco. If it was only the non-smoker who paid taxes...you win I have no argument! This is why I say dont expect any govt to get serious about "CARING" about the smokers. The only thing those who dont smoke care about is themselves(no problem with that!) and more money from smokers (which has been going on for over 100yrs now).
This is nothing more than a "shake down" that has happen time and again. The down right truth about this is not to care about or to get a smoker to quit, but to make his habit more expensive with full knowledge that an such a chemical is way more addictive than heroin and in no way will a smoker quit. Yet the income.... no problem we'll just turn a blind eye in this area.
Only when I see some serious programs that society has to HELP smokers quit, than by all means this moral argument will totally be against me. But if society through their elected govt has no problems making very good income of off of it, then evryone is part of the problem. Not just smokers.
I don't believe that if all the people stops smoking there will be a rebus in the government finance.
May be in the first couple of years there will be a debit, but on the long run not anymore.
For me its more like that the govt will finish with credit if people stops smoking.
You have to count the tax duty paid on tobacco which is a revinue to the govt, and on the other side all the days lost from work due to sickness related to smoking (passive smoking included). If the lost days will become productive are also a revinue to the govt. And the money paid by govt. on health treatments of smoking related cases. In Malta people don't pay (directly) for the public hospital treatments and surgeries.
So while it is true that the govt. will loose the tax duty, he will spend less on health and gather more money because of more productive days.
Charlie... I can guratee you that in any govt laws... the very first things that were taxed were 1. property 2. Liquor and 3. Tobacco
Dont insult me by saying that the loss of tobacco revenue will not seriously hurt a states economy when it is historically one of the very first things to be taxed.
Maltese Charlie
25-06-2005, 16:18
Charlie... I can guratee you that in any govt laws... the very first things that were taxed were 1. property 2. Liquor and 3. Tobacco
Dont insult me by saying that the loss of tobacco revenue will not seriously hurt a states economy when it is historically one of the very first things to be taxed.
I am talking about Malta.
And all I want to tell you is that the Tax duty is not 100 % profit, because you have to subtract the amount of the lost of work due to sickleave related to smoking and health treatments.
Here the govt. pays for the public health. And yes I believe that on the long run the positive benefits from not smoking will be more than the tax duty.
Keep in mind that if people don't smoke they will have more money in their pockets. This mean more money to spend on other things, and another part of these money will be gathered by the govt from VAT, and another part is gathered from Income tax.
This is the way how I'll see it.
and don't guarantee any Laws because we don't have tax on property (At least till now): :v103: :beer: :wave:
Dr Milano
25-06-2005, 17:06
I am talking about Malta.
And all I want to tell you is that the Tax duty is not 100 % profit, because you have to subtract the amount of the lost of work due to sickleave related to smoking and health treatments.
Here the govt. pays for the public health. And yes I believe that on the long run the positive benefits from not smoking will be more than the tax duty.
Keep in mind that if people don't smoke they will have more money in their pockets. This mean more money to spend on other things, and another part of these money will be gathered by the govt from VAT, and another part is gathered from Income tax.
This is the way how I'll see it.
and don't guarantee any Laws because we don't have tax on property (At least till now): :v103: :beer: :wave:most of u smoke shame on those of u who do can u not read smoking kills :3band:
Why should smokers pay extra??? The non-smoking campaigners are cooking the numbers so badly I can only laugh at the stupidity of it. I tell you what... why not use all that money they got from taxing tobacco solely for smokers health problems???
Why should non-smokers pay for smokers health problems? And yes, they do use the money from taxing tobacco towards smokers health problems.
nobody said society is free or problems except for smoking lol. but let's just say i buy your argument - and in that case I AM GLAD people smoke. It provides more money for all the rest of us :) YAY. I won't complain if it means better health care, better schools - all cus of tobaco. go team tobacco! and smokers - i tip my hat to you - you are giving up your LIVES so that all of us can have better healthcare, better tuition, better roads, better everything. We need to erect a giant cigarette in your honour smokers. Thank you thank you thank you - but again, please don't smoke in my presence. :)
Nadir people die of a lot of things and besides a smoker already pays twice the tax as a non-smoker. 1. through the purchase of tobacco
2. in the United States most medical plans are through personal and private sectors.
not everyone lives in the US lol.
again, i don't really care if there are smokers in the world. but i am not a big fan of the fact that it affected my health and there are non-smokers dying because of smoker's habits. whatever spin you put on how great it is for the economy, i don't care. i would rather breathe.
Dr Milano
25-06-2005, 17:15
Why should non-smokers pay for smokers health problems? And yes, they do use the money from taxing tobacco towards smokers health problems.
nobody said society is free or problems except for smoking lol. but let's just say i buy your argument - and in that case I AM GLAD people smoke. It provides more money for all the rest of us :) YAY. I won't complain if it means better health care, better schools - all cus of tobaco. go team tobacco! and smokers - i tip my hat to you - you are giving up your LIVES so that all of us can have better healthcare, better tuition, better roads, better everything. We need to erect a giant cigarette in your honour smokers. Thank you thank you thank you - but again, please don't smoke in my presence. :)do u smoke nadir r u muslim
I am talking about Malta.
And all I want to tell you is that the Tax duty is not 100 % profit, because you have to subtract the amount of the lost of work due to sickleave related to smoking and health treatments.
Across the board healthcare is is an expensive appropriation for any government whether you smoke or not. People go on sickleave for many reasons besides smoking. I guess in Malta it is only smokers who rack up the medical bills.
Here the govt. pays for the public health. And yes I believe that on the long run the positive benefits from not smoking will be more than the tax duty.
The negative is a loss of huge revenue, which let me gurantee you Charlie, your govt will not pass up on.
Keep in mind that if people don't smoke they will have more money in their pockets.
I believe this actually. Somking is an expensive habit. Yet again a major profiteer from smokers have been govts. This is like I said in an earlier post political and economical reality.
This mean more money to spend on other things, and another part of these money will be gathered by the govt from VAT, and another part is gathered from Income tax.
If this were true... we would have seen it already.
Why should non-smokers pay for smokers health problems? And yes, they do use the money from taxing tobacco towards smokers health problems.
They use money from tobacco proceeds for a lot of things.
nobody said society is free or problems except for smoking lol. but let's just say i buy your argument - and in that case I AM GLAD people smoke. It provides more money for all the rest of us :) YAY. I won't complain if it means better health care, better schools - all cus of tobaco. go team tobacco! and smokers - i tip my hat to you - you are giving up your LIVES so that all of us can have better healthcare, better tuition, better roads, better everything. We need to erect a giant cigarette in your honour smokers. Thank you thank you thank you - but again, please don't smoke in my presence. :)
Patronize, b!tch, and moan all we want to Nadir, but the reality is that this is a cash cow and it isnt going away anytime soon.
I will concede that there is no reason to smoke right next to you if it bothers you. Yet you fail to see the economic side of this in a mature way.
again, i don't really care if there are smokers in the world. but i am not a big fan of the fact that it affected my health and there are non-smokers dying because of smoker's habits. whatever spin you put on how great it is for the economy, i don't care. i would rather breathe.
Again people die from a lot of things. If it has affected your health than for that I am truly sorry.
Listen friends... I agree with you folks on a lot of things on this issue. Yet I am clearly trying to make a point of something you folks have overlooked. That is the economical reality of tobacco to any govt in the world. Any effort that govts are making or saying to curb health problems due to smoking realted illness is an affront to moral governance. You will have politicians who are total advocates of anti-smoking coming to realize the fiscal reality of tobacco income and become lacklustre in such crusades. Right now and years to come, there is way too much money for any state to take a pass on Tobacco revenues.
This is my point. Disagree with it, you can. I dont like such predicaments either! But this is bottom line truth.
Thank goodness the football game is entertaining at the San Siro. Not all that mist is from road flares. A many good deal of people smoke like chimneys at San Siro. So if it werent for attractive football there.... you'd definitely be annoyed.
Well Nadir my friend. Looks like we actually disagreed on something this time! It all good of course! I'll respectfull agree that we disagree. Cheers!
don't really care if we disagree or not. your logic states that it doesn't matter that people's healths are affected - as long as there is money to build roads. again, kudos to the smokers - without them, we would have no roads! lol - brilliant argument.
you aren't the first to realise that taxes from cigarettes do contribute to several things around the world. it's not you that made people here dawn upon that realisation. we all knew that - and it's not even the point. the point is that cigarettes hurt people. period. THAT is the bottom line. yes, there are many other things that hurt people as well. and even that doesn't matter. moan and b!tch as much as YOU want about how great cigarette taxes are - but it won't matter when you are dead because of lung cancer, TB or breathe through a hole in your throat now will it?
moan and b!tch as much as YOU want about how great cigarette taxes are - but it won't matter when you are dead because of lung cancer, TB or breathe through a hole in your throat now will it?
I never said it was a great thing nor did I advocate any such thing. I'm telling you the reality of things here. Dont expect your govt to do anything about it. Disagree all you want to Nadir, but the sad truth is people will die from smoking (gladly a point conceded to you) and your govt and mine will not make any serious attempt to curb smoking.
Dr Milano
26-06-2005, 12:12
I never said it was a great thing nor did I advocate any such thing. I'm telling you the reality of things here. Dont expect your govt to do anything about it. Disagree all you want to Nadir, but the sad truth is people will die from smoking (gladly a point conceded to you) and your govt and mine will not make any serious attempt to curb smoking. :u31: :5130: :firedev: :1ole: :1ole: :1ole:
I never said it was a great thing nor did I advocate any such thing. I'm telling you the reality of things here. Dont expect your govt to do anything about it. Disagree all you want to Nadir, but the sad truth is people will die from smoking (gladly a point conceded to you) and your govt and mine will not make any serious attempt to curb smoking.
oh i absolutely agree with the fact that the govts won't do anything about. and you are right - govts know about gains from tobacco and therefore will do little about it.
oh well...
oh i absolutely agree with the fact that the govts won't do anything about. and you are right - govts know about gains from tobacco and therefore will do little about it.
oh well...
How can you say governments won't do anything about it ? Think about how many restrictions have been implemented over the last 10-20 years. Serioulsy, you can't smoke in any establishments now. Not restaurants, not bars and no businesses of any sort. The taxes placed on cigarettes is now more than the actual cost of the product and it has become socially unacceptable to smoke, period ! There are many ads put in place by our goverment to deter the next generation from starting.... like all things, it will take time. But I believe there is an effort there.
yah that's right. it totally forgot about the bans. kui, here in ottawa, you cannot smoke indoors at all and ontario has one of the strictest smoking laws in the world.
http://ottawa.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ot-smoking20050609
so yes, govts have been doing a lot against smoking. i wasn't thinking when i made that last post - i had just got in from work lol.
Sooner or later ....you all agree with me ...lol
How can you say governments won't do anything about it ? Think about how many restrictions have been implemented over the last 10-20 years. Serioulsy, you can't smoke in any establishments now. Not restaurants, not bars and no businesses of any sort. The taxes placed on cigarettes is now more than the actual cost of the product and it has become socially unacceptable to smoke, period ! There are many ads put in place by our goverment to deter the next generation from starting.... like all things, it will take time. But I believe there is an effort there.
The effort is nothing more than to make it look like they're doing something about it. It is nice that you cant smoke in any establishments now, but you guys are joking yourselves to think it has detered people from lighting up. We all know that fact that nicotine is ten times more addictive than heroin right??? Dont expect increase of price will make a smoker blink twice. In fact there will be a treshold on how much you can charge a smoker because if it were to cost over a certain price for some, you will end up having smoke addicts commit crime to support their expensive habit like any other drug user would.
If any govt were serious about this, they would invest in rehab clinics like they do for any other narcotic user. No stupid billboard or common sense talk is going to convince any addict. SO the effort is superficial. AS I said in a earlier post it is nothing more than a shakedown, which happens now and again.
Knowing the multi-party system you friends have in Canada, a candidate purely on a pro-smokers platform could potentially win up 10-15% of votes. With so much political parties in an election, that would spoil a crap load of parties trying to gain seats in Parliament. Why this rationale??? Because again for an addict, this is an important issue to his way of life and electoral trends will show that most people will vote on single issues than across the board multi-issues. Take an issue such as maybe abortion. If you are for women's rights to choose, no matter what other pluses you have as a law-maker, you will not recieve a vote ever from someone who belives in a pro-life stance. Political parties know this so their efforts or campaigns to curb smoke habits is again lacklustre.
The effort is nothing more than to make it look like they're doing something about it. It is nice that you cant smoke in any establishments now, but you guys are joking yourselves to think it has detered people from lighting up. We all know that fact that nicotine is ten times more addictive than heroin right??? Dont expect increase of price will make a smoker blink twice. In fact there will be a treshold on how much you can charge a smoker because if it were to cost over a certain price for some, you will end up having smoke addicts commit crime to support their expensive habit like any other drug user would.
If any govt were serious about this, they would invest in rehab clinics like they do for any other narcotic user. No stupid billboard or common sense talk is going to convince any addict. SO the effort is superficial. AS I said in a earlier post it is nothing more than a shakedown, which happens now and again.
actually i know people who quit because they can't afford to buy packets anymore due to the high prices. on the other end of the spectrum , i also know that people buy smuggled cigarettes and the newspapers are full of stories where cigarette smugglers sell them to the public - tax free. so, yes kui, i agree with you that people are breaking laws to feed their habit.
that being said, i am still glad that people can't smoke indoors. i would probably be dead :)
actually i know people who quit because they can't afford to buy packets anymore due to the high prices. on the other end of the spectrum , i also know that people buy smuggled cigarettes and the newspapers are full of stories where cigarette smugglers sell them to the public - tax free. so, yes kui, i agree with you that people are breaking laws to feed their habit.
that being said, i am still glad that people can't smoke indoors. i would probably be dead :)
Well that would absolutely suck if you werent around because of some raucher. That would make MM less interesting. It's a bad predicament this smoking thing is because yes it is a health problem and a cash cow. So smokers and non-smokers are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Several of you seem to have very strong opinions about this topic and are less than impressed with the current efforts of your respective governments. So than I ask...what are YOU doing about it ? Besides sitting idly by expressing you opinions. It seems there is some passion to your arguments. So what are you doing about it ?
Several of you seem to have very strong opinions about this topic and are less than impressed with the current efforts of your respective governments. So than I ask...what are YOU doing about it ? Besides sitting idly by expressing you opinions. It seems there is some passion to your arguments. So what are you doing about it ?
Smoking a cigar with a bit of fine and dandy.
Being serious now.
What I or you are doing about it isnt the point, well actually it is the point. Your govt, my govt is not going to do anything serious about it. You can elect yourselves an anti-smoking candidate who will look at the fiscalality of Tobacco revenues and discover a cold reality. The best they can do is appease. If they were serious about it they would go after this drug addiction like any other narcotic. What does an anti heroin sign do for an addict???? Well the same for goes for a smoker. Nothing really. These are addicts we are talking about. Heroin users have rehabs, I have yet to see a rehab for nicotine addicts which is up to 10 times more addictive than heroin.
If the govts crack down on tobacco like they do with any illegal narcotic, they would be cutting themselves out of a good deal of money.
Which is why decriminalizing a lot of narcotics is looking very attractive to some govts including Canada. By legalizing it they can... big word TAX it. Following the money is what they're doing. I'm advocating it. I'm just telling you how it is.
Kui, I read your previous posts, and you have repeated that. My point was, it is all well and good to be opinionated and passionate about something, but truthfully if you are not willing to stand behind it, to actively stand up for what you feel....then does your opinion really hold any weight or are they simply words. My question was not what our governments are doing, it was what are you doing about it ? It appears your answer was.... vote ? The way to get through to the masses is not by way of government as we already know, not many of us stand behind our elected, even though we elect them. I think our government is doing what they can do for now. They don't want to ruffle too many feathers. But isn't the more active role put upon us, to projects or thoughts and concerns onto our peers. The way we should be approaching this is through social awareness. Who are you more apt to listen to, a concerned friend or the government ?
Sorry for skirting the issue. That is not what I meant to do. I am not advocating anything wheter for or against smoking. I am just telling you the "mos maiorum" of political and economical reality of this problem.
As you said the govt doesnt want to ruffle feathers. Yet people with addictions dont listen to friends either. The best that has been done is not have it in resturants! When you say us... who is us??? I know the answer to this but when you use the word "us" you need some legal represntative or entity to have legitamacy in challenging the smoking problem no??? I mean me or you could do something about it by ourselves like grab the thing out of his/her mouth, but we'd get into trouble taking it into our own hands. SO who do we turn to???? The govt and again til I turn blue, such entity is not going to do anything about it. It takes more than an individual to stop this. It is a lifestyle choice that these smokes are paying a lot for. Money and even their lives. But the cold reality is that the economics of this wrong or not are outweighing anything else. If you cant get a friend that smokes to quit... that is much credit to you cause it is damn close to impossible.
Unfortunately many people have'nt seen the title of thread, no pun intended.
By "us" I think I was obviously referring to the general public, and if I need legal representation to be one of the public then I guess I will have to call on Billy. I think it is up to "us" whether it is on a one to one basis or in a group of hundreds. You say it takes more than an individual to stop this.... How do you think ideas originally come about ? By one person Kui. Everything begins with one.... My point is, if you are not willing to be part of the solution then don't be part of the problem. Your acceptance of what is, may be looked upon in that way.....
the solution is to live a healthy lifestyle and live and let live :) and khris, your thread has been officially hijacked bwahahaha.
the solution is to live a healthy lifestyle and live and let live :) and khris, your thread has been officially hijacked bwahahaha.
it's not my thread halfwit. :happy:
i substitute reality with my own version of it. it is now your thread and it has been hijacked
....I must have missed something...but am too lazy to check back and see what happened: :r11:
By "us" I think I was obviously referring to the general public, and if I need legal representation to be one of the public then I guess I will have to call on Billy. I think it is up to "us" whether it is on a one to one basis or in a group of hundreds. You say it takes more than an individual to stop this.... How do you think ideas originally come about ? By one person Kui. Everything begins with one.... My point is, if you are not willing to be part of the solution then don't be part of the problem. Your acceptance of what is, may be looked upon in that way.....
What I meant by legal representation, I mean as a society we have that in the form of our govt. We already made clear what there attitude is about it.
I am compelled to discuss this in political context because the big problem is that our govts are the main culprits in this fiasco. This is a case classic of taxation without representation. Here we have addicts being taxed with full knowledge of the effects of smoking, yet no means of rehabilitating them to quit. We have services for other addicts and of course prison. So do we provide these services for smokers or do we criminalize smoking like other narcotics. With the history of the prohibition of liquor that happen in the US we know that criminalizing an age old culture of smoking will not work. Likewise rehab services cost money which I could understand people opposed to this notion especially those who do not smoke. Why pay for a service for those of a lifestyle that you do not participate in???
Back to the govt again. We as a society are perpetually dependent on govt services and programs from education to maintaining roads, national defense, health, communication etc. etc. etc. even for the most privatized capitalist type of govts. We all have some sort of social program that we are very much dependent on. The more "socialist" a govt is, the more dependent a society is on this trusteeship. As a practice, govts favorite taxes are of course the income, Liqour and Tobacco. This is the problem! The govt and it's society has become dependent on such revenues because they have taken trusteeship of programs that may be best suited for the private sector to handle. So where does it go from here. Because society represented by their govts is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
The moment things went "social" (meaning in the control or responsibility of the govt) in context with tobacco the society with all its complaining on smoking is really turning a blind eye and or being indifferent to this problem or is not recognizing the root of the problem.
I'm an advocate of privatization and independence from socialism because of things like this. The govts need to get the hell out of the business of Tobacco and some other things. But we are talking smoking here so ignore the "other things" part. I just needed to let you know in fairness where I stand on the political spectrum. Leave this business of tobacco, and the taxation of it if you are not going to use such money to cure this disease. And while they're doing that, get the heck out of this "free" healthcare scam and put both these problems in the realm of the private sector.
Example...
By giving the open market a responsibilty to people and the cost of healthcare, they will set the policies in the business place as a right by private entity. You know the such rights.... "We reserve the rights of our business to deny anyone with due cause etc. etc. etc." You smoke... you probably wont get employed at such and such a business place. You turn up positive for nicotine in the same manner you test positive to any drug, termination of employment. As the employer with the responsiblity to an employee's healthcare plan and as a private entity you have every right to protect that business. When you leave it in the realm of govt and the tax, you perpetuate the problem and equal representation for smokers and non smokers becomes a dilema.
It is actually working with companies that are following this policy. But itinvolves govt and their citizens to be willing to cede the cost of healthcare to the private sector. The govt should still be given the rights to regulate and protect its people from harm, but this "state" run hospital crap has got to go because the smokers problem become your problem. Why make someones private ills your problem??? Let the "private" sector handle people's private problems.
Before I say more I will allow you my collegues some time to ponder this and happily have your say and or input to this.
Seriously Kui ...I'm not reading all of that ...lol
Seriously Kui ...I'm not reading all of that ...lol
LOL. :haha: :haha:
XZeRo3003
07-07-2005, 03:06
hmmm.... I've never smoked a tobacco cigarette, and I doubt I ever will.
However, I have smoked MaryJane with my friend twice, and this was like a year ago. I did it because I felt I had enough self control to prevent any addiction that would come, and voila! Here I am: non-smoker (although some may beg to differ) Also, I smoked the weed because I was super curious what it felt like, all most of my friends had done it and I was like the only one who hadn't, so I wanted to know what it felt like (it felt REALLY good)
From what I hear, Marijuana is WAY healthier than Tobacco cigarettes, so that's cool. US Government doesn't control Marijuana production, so they decide to ban it (At least this is what I've learned from Chris Rock: If it ain't White; It ain't right)
Then I smoked what my friend calls a "HOOKA". It's like a flavored vapor, our Hooka was apricot and it just smelled really delicious, and it gave you a slight buzz. I think it's that thing 'Dida' showed in his pic. That was kinda delicious
I normally hate to get into these damn ciggie smoking discussions, I've been smoking for a long time now and one thing I've learnt is that convincing a smoker or non smoker to change lanes is damn near impossible but I did find this article interesting
By Investigative Reporter Mike Owens
Over the last four years, Missouri has recieved over one billion dollars from what's called the MSA, or master settlement agreement. That's money from the big tobacco companies, paid out to settle claims from the states for injuries caused by tobacco use.
The money is designed to pay the states back for past losses caused by caring for the sick, made ill by tobacco use. The money is also to be used to pay for anti-smoking campaigns, like advertising and hot lines for those who want to quit.
At least, that's the way it's supposed to work, but in Missouri, not one dime of the tobacco money has been spent on its intended purpose.
Missouri ranks last among the states in tobacco prevention spending, but third in the number of smokers per capita.
Smokers can be seen outside offices all over downtown, taking smoking breaks. They are among some 26 percent of Missourians who smoke. Their lungs are important to cigarette makers and Missouri lawmakers. That's because the sale of cigarettes put more than one billion dollars into the Missouri treasury since 2002, with billions more to be paid out over the next 20 years. But instead of going for anti-smoking efforts, the money goes to run goverment. Last year, tobacco money made up about 1 point 2 percent of the state budget.
Pat Lindsey, of the Tobacco Prevention Center, sees the irony of keeping the number
of smokers at the current level. If the smoking level declines, so will the income from the master settlement agreement, she said. She added there's a formula, and it would be substantially less if there are fewer smokers.
Lindsey works at St. Louis University where she runs a prevention program, funded with federal dollars, not settlement money. She says with the tobacco settlement money, anti-smoking ads like these could reduce the number of Missouri smokers, like they have in other states.
One anti- smoking activist, also a lawmaker, says Missouri has surrendered to the cigarette peddlers:
"It would be helpful if we fought back. Missouri seems to have sort of ceded the ground to the tobacco industry. The tobacco companies spend 600 thousand dollars a day in Missouri advertising their product," said Jeanette Mott Oxford.
If that's the case, you'd think the cigarette industry would leap to be interviewed for this story. But that's not the case. RJ Reynolds declined outright. Phillip Morris offered telephone information, but nothing on camera about how Missouri spends its tobacco settlement.
Smoking opponents are wishing for an increased excise tax on cigarettes. Missouri has the third lowest tax in the nation, 17 cents a pack. The suggested increase to a dollar 17. That would raise about 270 million a year.
Mott Oxford said for every ten percent you raise the price of a pack of cigarettes, a certain number of folks quit. It's between four and seven percent. Mott Oxford said those hurt worst by cigarettes are children and teens. Any tax hike would need the support of the Governor, Matt Blunt. He said he would not back a hike in the tax.
"I would not," he said. "I think that states are becoming dependent on tobacco tax revenue. They are going to regret that. The public policy goal ought to be zero money from tobacco taxes."
Lindsey at the Tobacco Prevention Center said Blunt is being coy. He could, if he wanted to, spend just a little money to fight tobacco use.
"Why can't we have just a little bit?" she asked "A few million would help. We haven't been given a dime."
She said the reason is that the tobacco lobby is very strong in Missouri.
And, she believes, they have friends in Jefferson City.
One of those lobbyists is Andy Blunt, the governor's younger brother. But Governor Blunt says that means nothing.
"I do think it's a bad industry. I don't ever accept contributions from the tobacco industry. They make a product that can't be used in a healthy way," he said.
Governor Blunt has a second tie to tobacco money. His father, Congressman Roy Blunt, married a second time in October, 2003. His new wife is a Washington lobbyist for the parent cigarette maker Phillip Morris.
To learn more about anti-smoking efforts, click in the related links section to the right.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/cover_article.aspx?storyid=81535
From what I hear, Marijuana is WAY healthier than Tobacco cigarettes, so that's cool.
That really depends on how you define "healthier" ;)
MJ is normally smoked without a filter, which is allways worse for you. The toxins in MJ stays in your brain (eating away at it) for about 30 days, which means if you smoke it once a month you allways have degenerative toxins in your brain.
I am not preaching, just informing :r11:
XZeRo3003
08-07-2005, 12:16
That really depends on how you define "healthier" ;)
MJ is normally smoked without a filter, which is allways worse for you. The toxins in MJ stays in your brain (eating away at it) for about 30 days, which means if you smoke it once a month you allways have degenerative toxins in your brain.
I am not preaching, just informing :r11:
oohh :eek: so That explains the 30 day repercussions.... :hammer: :r11:
anyways, I heard osme guy in here talk about the health issue, I'll go look for his post.
And I'm sure the absence of nicotine made it much easier for me to discontinue smoking. Well, you know what I mean.
That really depends on how you define "healthier" ;)
MJ is normally smoked without a filter, which is allways worse for you. The toxins in MJ stays in your brain (eating away at it) for about 30 days, which means if you smoke it once a month you allways have degenerative toxins in your brain.
:r11:
and what are the negative effects? :nail:
and what are the negative effects? :nail:
For you my friend, it is all improvements :mex:
has anyone tried "Argeeleh" or water pipe, its not a weed, a normal smoke, but with the flavor that you want......
if you havent tried it already, when you do you'll never smoke cigarettes again.
Its also less harmful, you all should try it, even if you dont smoke, it has a very nice smell.........
Dr Milano
23-08-2006, 15:13
has anyone tried "Argeeleh" or water pipe, its not a weed, a normal smoke, but with the flavor that you want......
if you havent tried it already, when you do you'll never smoke cigarettes again.
Its also less harmful, you all should try it, even if you dont smoke, it has a very nice smell.........
:delol: lol so you get addicted lol ... i havent ever tried smoking and never will
Enshallah allah will keep me away from drugs and stuff
:v46: Why was this topic about a gross and disgusting habit revived? :ban:
Dr Milano
23-08-2006, 15:27
:v46: Why was this topic about a gross and disgusting habit revived? :ban:
oh no sorry :hmm2: :hmm2:
i prefer those cigarettes made out of chocolate and sugar paper ... yummy
Dr Milano
23-08-2006, 15:32
i prefer those cigarettes made out of chocolate and sugar paper ... yummy
lol yeah lol i ve had them :firedev: you get a few in a box lol
haha
yes, that's them ... or there's those white candy cane ones that sometimes have a red bit on the end ... i didn't like them much.
:delol: lol so you get addicted lol ... i havent ever tried smoking and never will
Enshallah allah will keep me away from drugs and stuff
:clap: So Funny. Its not a drug though, and you dont get addicted to it, but it tasts better than ciggarettes and is less harmful, and also smells nice.
choclate ciggarettes suck, they're ****. you wont know untill you try.
I have a german friend who used to smoke but stopped after trying argeeleh, and now he smokes argeeleh from time to time.
Dr Milano
24-08-2006, 06:08
:clap: So Funny. Its not a drug though, and you dont get addicted to it, but it tasts better than ciggarettes and is less harmful, and also smells nice.
choclate ciggarettes suck, they're ****. you wont know untill you try.
I have a german friend who used to smoke but stopped after trying argeeleh, and now he smokes argeeleh from time to time.
okay Malkawi it dont matter if this new thing your talking about is less harmful or not at the end of the day it is harmful and not good for the body full stop :zany: so i wont touch it i only touch choclate cigraettes hey jim
but ... i dont see them sorta choclate ones anymore they dont sell them anymore i guess
Okay Dr Milano ma tez3al, didn't mean to piss you off.. and you don't have to try anything, no body makes you.....
!!!How old are you by the way!!!!
You're right Suhail, i haven't seen those chocolate ciggarettes for ages either. They've probably been banned just like the bits in Tom & Jerry cartoons have been banned where one of them is smoking.
Too much chocolate is bad for you also ... too much saturated fat & sugar ...
humanTORCH
24-08-2006, 10:25
talking about argeeleh, they are known as 'sheesha' too.
Nice and easy to smoke and the taste is great...amny flavour.
You're right Suhail, i haven't seen those chocolate ciggarettes for ages either. They've probably been banned just like the bits in Tom & Jerry cartoons have been banned where one of them is smoking.
Too much chocolate is bad for you also ... too much saturated fat & sugar ...
Talking bout chocolate Jim... my pops got a harvest of cacao pods coming this mid September. We just grow a couple of tons of this stuff and get it to a commodity broker. From there they will sell it to a customer/client or to another broker. I hear most of my dads stuff gets sold to the coffee businesses to mix the cacao grinds with coffee. What is that??? Mocha or something?
Anyway we actually started this all out as a hobby really. He nor I know anything about growing or farming. We just so happen to have the land and $$$ needed to try this venture. Most Hawaii farmers are in to the banana and papaya, pineapple or coffee business. We tried chocolate. Does it get us rich??? Well no not at all! But we sure do buy a lot of toys with it. Boats and ATV's and jet skis and stuff.
And as far as CIGGIES or FAGS or whatever you all call it in UK, well pops did have a thought of tobacci but it really ruins the soil and we arent very knowledgable on crop rotation. I know he does have a nursery with tobacco growing in some pots. Of course there is another crop that is very very good for $$$, unfortunately... we be law abiding Mormons. In some parts of me dads estate there is a lot of vegetation and tropical forestry and some time and again we have to call the law enforcement to come help us eradicate the "Mary Jane" people try to sneak and grow on that land. So the ATV's come in good use because we sometimes use horses and they literally are a pain in the butt. Well if I ever get into the confectionary venture, I'll know who to call and use as a test baby. As far as tobacco.... we unfortunately dont smoke.
I don't smoke either .... or drink coffee ...
but sure, you can send me some chocolate whenever you like :D
I don't know how you tell which is good quality Cacao and which isn't, but if you're stuff is good wouldn't it make you more money if you sold some of it direct to some high-end restaurants ?
Graeme C
25-08-2006, 03:06
I don't smoke either .... or drink coffee ...
The smoking i can understand, but no coffee :dstup: Are u a tea person then jim?
i drink 1 cup of tea a day, milk no sugar thank you :D
Not always normal tea either, sometimes green tea or herbal teas ... i just couldn't get past the smell of coffee ...
Graeme C
25-08-2006, 07:30
lol im the opposite, love coffee with milk and sugar! cant stand the smell or taste of tea! i love the smell of coffee.. i have a bag of starbucks coffee in my room, i open it up now and then when i need my coffee sniffing fix :P
:rotfl:
Coffee Junkie ! :D
I don't smoke either .... or drink coffee ...
but sure, you can send me some chocolate whenever you like :D
:beer: :beer:
And there's why Jaime and I chat so much on MSN! We usually always end up discussing food and mentioning chocolate!
I don't do coffee either tho in the past couple years I've gotten so I can drink the frozen mocha things....b/c they have CHOCOLATE in them! We have a restaurasnt chain near us that makes GREAT milkshakes out mochas and chai tea and stuff. And I do like chocolate covered espresso beans, just one or 2 at a time.
As for chocolate, what woman doesn't crave that stuff???
i prefer chocolate covered nuts & raisins .... yum
Dr Milano
25-08-2006, 11:49
Okay Dr Milano ma tez3al, didn't mean to piss you off.. and you don't have to try anything, no body makes you.....
!!!How old are you by the way!!!!
14 years me matey :rone:
Dr Milano
25-08-2006, 11:50
You're right Suhail, i haven't seen those chocolate ciggarettes for ages either. They've probably been banned just like the bits in Tom & Jerry cartoons have been banned where one of them is smoking.
Too much chocolate is bad for you also ... too much saturated fat & sugar ...
yeah but one choclate or about 2 is good a day :3band: it releases good chemicals in your brain :o so lol know i have a excuse ...
plus the thing about them choclate cigraettes are its annoying taking off the little bits
haha, yes a small amount of chocolate is good for you, but not every day ... and not 1 or 2 bars of it either ... more like 1 or 2 squares :D
Dark chocolate is supposed to be the best for you, particularly those with a high percentage of coco solids in them.
I don't remember any little bits on chocolate cigarettes.
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Kev Ryan
01-09-2006, 09:37
The smoking ban was the best law to be brought into Ireland in years.
I'm smoking a Marlboro made in Serbia right now :D
Kaka1899
08-09-2006, 13:15
Wahts the point u have no money and eventually it kills you! not bad eh it rips u off then finishes u off!
Dr Milano
08-09-2006, 13:24
haha, yes a small amount of chocolate is good for you, but not every day ... and not 1 or 2 bars of it either ... more like 1 or 2 squares :D
Dark chocolate is supposed to be the best for you, particularly those with a high percentage of coco solids in them.
I don't remember any little bits on chocolate cigarettes.
i meant the rapper lol ... :510: sorry for the confusion thier
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