Bologna - AC Milan (07/02/10 at 15:00) - Page 7

Revolver · 08-02-2010, 06:34

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Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

I'm surprised to see Leo getting a bashing, I don't think he can be blamed for what happened, as 2-3 key players underperformed which undermined our game.

Excuse me, but he can! He's the one to blame. I can understand starting with Mancini, but why he didn't replaced him with Beckham earlier? I said at half time that we won't score playing the way we played in the first half. Then, what is his thing with Borriello? Is he in love with him or something? We have one of the greatest strikers EVER who cannot get a damn chance even to come from the bench, because Borriello must start and Huntelaar must get his minutes because he was our "big" signing.

Even when he finally made his substitutions, it wouldn't be too late IF he made the right choices. Beckham was supposed to get in for Mancini NOT Ronaldinho, he should've play in place of Seedorf, with Borriello on the right further to the middle. That way we would have creativity in the middle with two strikers up. I still can't understand what he wanted to do with Huntelaar in Seedorf's place, can anyone explain that to me?

I don't want to be harsh on Leonardo, because he did some great things, but let's face it, we lost the derby because Mourinho made him look like a rookie, and now we lost 4 points because of his "ideas".

Warro Bantan · 08-02-2010, 09:33

....Well, lets look on the bright side folks...for me, third spot at this point in the season is more than I would have hoped for in September 09.

While Leo is still learning, I think his selections cost us 2 points, by not playing Flamini, and leaving a player who hasnt played almost all year on the pitch for 94 minutes.

IMO, once he introduced Huntelaar, he should have brought on Beckham for Mancini.

My changes:

Beckham for Mancini
Huntelaar for Seedorf

Ronaldinho should have played the full 90, as he is often capable of a miracle...yet I thought the entire team wasnt using him...maybe there is some truth to the "Partying" story, and for that reason they werent feeding him the ball enough?

Whatever, 2 dropped points, in a game where we should have won easily. Bologna were not a threat for the majority of the match, and while they defended in numbers, we should have been able to unlock their defense, with a little more aggression in the final third.

Seedorf was at his worst in a long time....he just wasnt in the game at all....and while Ronnie was below his best, again, as his volley off the cross bar showed, he can produce in a split second, and change the game. He was actually looking more incisive in the 2nd half....

Why Mancini stayed on for 90 minutes is beyond my comprehension...but then again, I am not fresh from coaching school as some people are.

Sheesh. We flatter to decieve, dont we?

At this rate, we would be luck for Man U not to thrash us even worse than Inter did at the start of the season.

This result, as affected as it was by Leo´s selections, has brought me right back to the place I was where I think he isnt good/experienced enough to manage a club like Milan.

Alex Ferguson is going to eat him for dinner.

GeoTav · 08-02-2010, 09:41

For the people who said/say/will say that Leonardo is a "coward" (yeah, the same insult that was used against Ancelotti comes from different people against Leonardo, and by looking at them, it looks like these guys saying that nowadays were the ones who defended Ancelotti before): the guy replaces Seedorf and Ronaldinho in the same game.

Both were bad, and both probably were angry (for Seedorf, we saw it on TV) or at least disappointed to be replaced during this game ...

I think Leonardo was excellent in these two decisions ... why ?
It's going to be a warning for these two players that if they are bad, they can be replaced. The fact that this decision is excellent and not just good is because it comes just before the Manchester game, so they will both have to show what they are worth against Udinese (and if they manage to do it, they will be more confident too for the Manchester game).

As simple as that.

zak · 08-02-2010, 10:56

players' performance in the game against Bologna
http://www.voteplayers.com/Matches/B...2010-5998.aspx

ACMILAN1983 · 08-02-2010, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Revolver

Excuse me, but he can! He's the one to blame. I can understand starting with Mancini, but why he didn't replaced him with Beckham earlier? I said at half time that we won't score playing the way we played in the first half. Then, what is his thing with Borriello? Is he in love with him or something? We have one of the greatest strikers EVER who cannot get a damn chance even to come from the bench, because Borriello must start and Huntelaar must get his minutes because he was our "big" signing.

Even when he finally made his substitutions, it wouldn't be too late IF he made the right choices. Beckham was supposed to get in for Mancini NOT Ronaldinho, he should've play in place of Seedorf, with Borriello on the right further to the middle. That way we would have creativity in the middle with two strikers up. I still can't understand what he wanted to do with Huntelaar in Seedorf's place, can anyone explain that to me?

I don't want to be harsh on Leonardo, because he did some great things, but let's face it, we lost the derby because Mourinho made him look like a rookie, and now we lost 4 points because of his "ideas".

I'll try to keep this clear using bullet points, but:

- Mancini was less of a problem than Dinho and Seedorf during much of the match as he was at least willing to run at opponents and move for the side. Seedorf was given 15 minutes in the second half to try and improve, but it was too little too late and he was rightly subbed. Beckham could have come in for Dinho sooner, but unlike Dinho, Beckham rarely provides match turning moments at any given times. Maybe Pippo could have come in, but that doesn't help the build up play as Huntelaar is more willing to drop deep and get involved (and yesterday the creative players desperately needed that help).

- Borriello has been far better than any of our strikers this season and is the only one with the qualities that Leo is looking for in this system (a forward who can physically compete and hassle defenders and hold the ball up for those around him).

- About the wrong choices in substitutions, I don't really see how Borriello playing inside right would help the attack as we would've lost width on the right which was necessary against a deep defensive opponent to stretch them. Dinho staying on the pitch made no sense either, as he was barely moving and his only real contribution all match was hitting the bar off the corner. Mancini at least moved more and was cutting in a little. As for Leo's approach I'd say he wanted to try and stretch Bologna in the wide areas. He had two forwards ready in the box and essentially tried to get crosses in.

- Though Leo made mistakes in the derby I don't really think it was Mourinho that was great. I simply think we were outplayed in that match and we let the occasion get to our heads. I also don't think Leo's to blame for either Livorno and obviously this match. In both matches we weren't incisive and clinical enough to get 3 points. The derby has clearly had effect in the squad and with key players missing and underperforming, it's hard to raise our game again.

SkyEdge · 08-02-2010, 17:15

[quote=Revolver;560921] We have one of the greatest strikers EVER who cannot get a damn chance even to come from the bench,

QUOTE]

Wow! really? Klaas one of the Greatest Ever? Please show me the stats.. I would love to see such information first-hand in black and white. :]

Revolver · 08-02-2010, 18:07

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Originally Posted by SkyEdge

Wow! really? Klaas one of the Greatest Ever? Please show me the stats.. I would love to see such information first-hand in black and white. :]

Please don't be a moron, excuse me for my language, but please read what's written.

"We have one of the greatest strikers EVER who cannot get a damn chance even to come from the bench, because Borriello must start and Huntelaar must get his minutes because he was our "big" signing."

I didn't know it needs a big intelligence to see from this that player in question is Inzaghi.

Gabriel489 · 08-02-2010, 23:04

I just want to say that Seedorf is probably the player to blame for this match as he slowed down the game too much by keeping hold of the ball. If he was to send his passes quicker, Dinho, Mancini and Borreillo could have more room to open up. But by the time he passes the ball, the defense was already set up.

icculus · 09-02-2010, 09:05

These matches against the smaller clubs resemble training sessions, and are as about as fun to watch as a training session. Bologna literaly had 10 players in their own 1/3!

It is games like these where the patient, controlled, possession oriented seedorf looks poor, but it is not just him. Possession and control has been the style of Milan, at least since I started following them in 2002.

One would think that after winning a ball, that a quick counter attack of our own would be in order...(something that kaka offered). After facing this abomination of football year after year, minnow after minnow, one would think we could come up a way to beat it...frustrating to watch, and probably play in.

Luckily, Man U has enough self respect not to play 10 players behind the ball.

Gio-mania · 09-02-2010, 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by icculus

These matches against the smaller clubs resemble training sessions, and are as about as fun to watch as a training session. Bologna literaly had 10 players in their own 1/3!

It is games like these where the patient, controlled, possession oriented seedorf looks poor, but it is not just him. Possession and control has been the style of Milan, at least since I started following them in 2002.

One would think that after winning a ball, that a quick counter attack of our own would be in order...(something that kaka offered). After facing this abomination of football year after year, minnow after minnow, one would think we could come up a way to beat it...frustrating to watch, and probably play in.

Luckily, Man U has enough self respect not to play 10 players behind the ball.

Very good point you make.

But although Man Utd wont be packing all their players in defense and make it easier for us to attack, they will consequently have more players up front and slaughter us. Also, Rooney is more of a threat than Di Vaio. Same thing goes for every one of United's players in comparison to Bologna's.

Gabriel489 · 09-02-2010, 10:16

I really like the words you use to describe Seedorf, patient=slow, controlled=holding onto the ball too long, possession oriented=wants to dribble instead of quick pass.
All I know is that, prior to Seedorf, Milan was beating those so call small teams by convincing scoreline, when Seedorf played, Milan tied both games and only scored once.

SkyEdge · 09-02-2010, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revolver

Please don't be a moron, excuse me for my language, but please read what's written.

"We have one of the greatest strikers EVER who cannot get a damn chance even to come from the bench, because Borriello must start and Huntelaar must get his minutes because he was our "big" signing."

I didn't know it needs a big intelligence to see from this that player in question is Inzaghi.

sorry for being a moron but please post me stats of inzaghi that shows he's the Greatest Striker Ever Thx.. I dun think his goals/games ratio even matches Pele.. ok.. dun even get me started on Ronaldo ( R99 ) , RvN or even that rubbish Raul.

So please, before u go around calling people names for their opinion, Look in the mirror and get ur stats right ok?

Revolver · 10-02-2010, 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyEdge

sorry for being a moron but please post me stats of inzaghi that shows he's the Greatest Striker Ever Thx.. I dun think his goals/games ratio even matches Pele.. ok.. dun even get me started on Ronaldo ( R99 ) , RvN or even that rubbish Raul.

So please, before u go around calling people names for their opinion, Look in the mirror and get ur stats right ok?

As soon as you quote me where I said that Inzaghi is The Greatest striker ever, I'll pull up the stats for you...

SkyEdge · 13-02-2010, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revolver

As soon as you quote me where I said that Inzaghi is The Greatest striker ever, I'll pull up the stats for you...

so please put me out of my misery and tell which striker of ours you are referring to.. Coz i dun think any of them that we have currently even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the Greatest ( Pele, Muller, Basten.. etc,etc )

Please.. since im a moron, tell me you are not referring to Inzaghi (again?) coz IMO he is the one with the closest record of goals compared to the Greats.

08-02-2010, 09:33	#92
Warro Bantan Moderator Join Date: 08 1999 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Fave Players: Rui Costa, Pirlo, Pato	....Well, lets look on the bright side folks...for me, third spot at this point in the season is more than I would have hoped for in September 09. While Leo is still learning, I think his selections cost us 2 points, by not playing Flamini, and leaving a player who hasnt played almost all year on the pitch for 94 minutes. IMO, once he introduced Huntelaar, he should have brought on Beckham for Mancini. My changes: Beckham for Mancini Huntelaar for Seedorf Ronaldinho should have played the full 90, as he is often capable of a miracle...yet I thought the entire team wasnt using him...maybe there is some truth to the "Partying" story, and for that reason they werent feeding him the ball enough? Whatever, 2 dropped points, in a game where we should have won easily. Bologna were not a threat for the majority of the match, and while they defended in numbers, we should have been able to unlock their defense, with a little more aggression in the final third. Seedorf was at his worst in a long time....he just wasnt in the game at all....and while Ronnie was below his best, again, as his volley off the cross bar showed, he can produce in a split second, and change the game. He was actually looking more incisive in the 2nd half.... Why Mancini stayed on for 90 minutes is beyond my comprehension...but then again, I am not fresh from coaching school as some people are. Sheesh. We flatter to decieve, dont we? At this rate, we would be luck for Man U not to thrash us even worse than Inter did at the start of the season. This result, as affected as it was by Leo´s selections, has brought me right back to the place I was where I think he isnt good/experienced enough to manage a club like Milan. Alex Ferguson is going to eat him for dinner. __________________ I Love Milan.

08-02-2010, 17:15	#96
SkyEdge Registered User Join Date: 05 2006 Location: Clean&Green Singapore Fave Players: Batistuta, Maradona, Shevchenko, Leonardo, Inzaghi	[quote=Revolver;560921] We have one of the greatest strikers EVER who cannot get a damn chance even to come from the bench, QUOTE] Wow! really? Klaas one of the Greatest Ever? Please show me the stats.. I would love to see such information first-hand in black and white. :] __________________ Forza Ac Milan ! There are only 2 Great teams in Milan Ac Milan & Ac Milan Reserves !

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08-02-2010, 09:41	#93
GeoTav Registered User Join Date: 02 2008 Location: Dunkerque (France) Fave Players: Almost all AC Milan players	For the people who said/say/will say that Leonardo is a "coward" (yeah, the same insult that was used against Ancelotti comes from different people against Leonardo, and by looking at them, it looks like these guys saying that nowadays were the ones who defended Ancelotti before): the guy replaces Seedorf and Ronaldinho in the same game. Both were bad, and both probably were angry (for Seedorf, we saw it on TV) or at least disappointed to be replaced during this game ... I think Leonardo was excellent in these two decisions ... why ? It's going to be a warning for these two players that if they are bad, they can be replaced. The fact that this decision is excellent and not just good is because it comes just before the Manchester game, so they will both have to show what they are worth against Udinese (and if they manage to do it, they will be more confident too for the Manchester game). As simple as that.

08-02-2010, 10:56	#94
zak Registered User Join Date: 10 2009	players' performance in the game against Bologna http://www.voteplayers.com/Matches/B...2010-5998.aspx

08-02-2010, 23:04	#98
Gabriel489 Registered User Join Date: 07 2007 Location: Hong Kong Fave Players: Captain Maldini	I just want to say that Seedorf is probably the player to blame for this match as he slowed down the game too much by keeping hold of the ball. If he was to send his passes quicker, Dinho, Mancini and Borreillo could have more room to open up. But by the time he passes the ball, the defense was already set up.

09-02-2010, 09:05	#99
icculus Registered User Join Date: 10 2006 Location: Pittsburgh	These matches against the smaller clubs resemble training sessions, and are as about as fun to watch as a training session. Bologna literaly had 10 players in their own 1/3! It is games like these where the patient, controlled, possession oriented seedorf looks poor, but it is not just him. Possession and control has been the style of Milan, at least since I started following them in 2002. One would think that after winning a ball, that a quick counter attack of our own would be in order...(something that kaka offered). After facing this abomination of football year after year, minnow after minnow, one would think we could come up a way to beat it...frustrating to watch, and probably play in. Luckily, Man U has enough self respect not to play 10 players behind the ball.

09-02-2010, 10:16	#101
Gabriel489 Registered User Join Date: 07 2007 Location: Hong Kong Fave Players: Captain Maldini	I really like the words you use to describe Seedorf, patient=slow, controlled=holding onto the ball too long, possession oriented=wants to dribble instead of quick pass. All I know is that, prior to Seedorf, Milan was beating those so call small teams by convincing scoreline, when Seedorf played, Milan tied both games and only scored once.