Oddo, officially a Milan player! - Page 6

mrki · 26-08-2005, 06:45

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Originally Posted by Milan3869

chill guys chill....what is this thread about again?

You are right. Anyway, i think we need oddo, so we can normaly play some games in 4-3-1-2 and rest cafu, or if cafu is injured. Maybe janku will not be that good on the right side in some tougher games, and then there will be kaladze on the left...

But im afraid that we dont look like we have some money to do things untill january...

mk18 · 26-08-2005, 08:50

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Originally Posted by mrki

No, im not saying we need defender just becouse cassano is coming to juve, I've said before that we need good RB, and with maldini who is in preety bad shape, we also need a CB. If Maldini gets injuerd we are in pretty bad position. Simic,billy and kaladze are not good in that position. And about this "illegal" and " immoral" stufff.... C'mon man, dont make me laugh, our president is Silvio Berlusconi....
Why do u think swiss guy couldnt buy parma when milan wanted gila and he didnt want him to go?? And on the other hand most of juve's transfers were made that way, and you can say whatever you want, but they did a real thing this summer. Bought maresca,chiellini,miccoli for 1.2 mil??!! How did this happen, in some fair play way?

if maldini is injured stam would definatly start in the center with nesta and janku/kaladze on the left ... with billy and simic as backup in the center... i think its enough and all this is IF maldini gets injured. maresca, chiellini, and miccoli were bought for that price because they were all co-owned by juve and fiorentina didnt sign them before the deadline was set to do so so there was an auction and fiorentina gave them up so fast

Milan3869 · 27-08-2005, 03:42

doesn't stam play RB too?!?...if he does we really dont need another RB for cafu...well i just cant wait until we play ascoli this weekend...forza milan!!

rae · 27-08-2005, 04:04

I wonder why there are so many empty talk about Cafu replacement in right back position if we still have Simic [or do we still have him?]. Why is it so necessary to find another lad to play there if the contract is not expired with that Croat? And why we do not sack him if he is not Milan material, not kind a player we need...

Jim_UK · 27-08-2005, 04:17

Yes we do have Stam and Simic that can play right back, but you're missing the point, neither of them offer the dynamics or width that Cafu does. You take away Cafu's runs on the right side and you take away a good percentage of Milan's attacking options. This is why it's crucial for us to have a similar substitute for Cafu .. i.e. an Oddo or Miguel or whoever ...

If we put in a bid for Oddo 6 weeks ago, that surely shows that the management can see that right-back is a concern if anything happens to Cafu. I hope they follow this bid up with a better offer, cash + Simic for Oddo would be fine ... but i think the decision to play Jankulovski on the right has stopped us from continuing our interest in Oddo or anyone else. But in my opinion that is a mistake.

rae · 27-08-2005, 04:29

But I have heard that San Paolo has some problems with his fitness so that Janku is going to replace him on the left flank, hence he could not be a proper sub for Cafu...

Anyway, I bet Carletto is enough wise and I trust him he will make a most appropriate decision to fortify our defence.

Dave · 27-08-2005, 05:43

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Originally Posted by rae

Anyway, I bet Carletto is enough wise and I trust him he will make a most appropriate decision to fortify our defence.

Yes of course Rae I agree with you! I like Oddo and IMO we need him, but don`t now in next season maybe!

Milan3869 · 27-08-2005, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Jim_UK

Yes we do have Stam and Simic that can play right back, but you're missing the point, neither of them offer the dynamics or width that Cafu does. You take away Cafu's runs on the right side and you take away a good percentage of Milan's attacking options. This is why it's crucial for us to have a similar substitute for Cafu .. i.e. an Oddo or Miguel or whoever ...

If we put in a bid for Oddo 6 weeks ago, that surely shows that the management can see that right-back is a concern if anything happens to Cafu. I hope they follow this bid up with a better offer, cash + Simic for Oddo would be fine ... but i think the decision to play Jankulovski on the right has stopped us from continuing our interest in Oddo or anyone else. But in my opinion that is a mistake.

hey oddo is good in all, but he cant offer us what cafu does...no available player can...stam will do exremely well for us at RB in a few games, no need to worry!!

Dave · 28-08-2005, 05:56

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Originally Posted by Milan3869

hey oddo is good in all, but he cant offer us what cafu does...no available player can...stam will do exremely well for us at RB in a few games, no need to worry!!

Yes I agree!

We can be champions even without Oddo! I heard Cicinho join Real..........

is this true????

Jim_UK · 28-08-2005, 07:15

You're joking right Milan3869 ? Because your comment about Stam playing well at right back sure made me laugh

I'm not saying there is a player who can do what Cafu does, there isn't and it's all very well saying Stam can play there for a few games, but what if Cafu is out for 6 months ? Stam isn't good enough to deputise for any period of time there that is a fact. This is why we need a player like Oddo who can offer similar qualities to Cafu. Can you imagine Stam against pacy left wingers and left-backs ? Against say Robben/Duff and Del Horno ?? That is a frightening prospect and Stam would be ripped to shreds because he has no pace and when faced against it he struggles. Can you imagine him bombing down the wing playing one-twos with Kaka ? Whipping in crosses ? No, of course not because he can't do that.

All the more reason to get someone in that can do this. The time has come to move this team forward, to stop saying that Maldini, Stam and Costacurta are good enough to play successfully in full-back positions, they're not. Anyone who thinks they are, in my opinion are a little naive and a bit foolish. With the lack of width our formation provides in makes the full-back role even more important which means you need players good enough to play there.

I would give Jankulovski plenty of opportunities at left-back, make him first choice to see if he can adapt and if he can't, then next season i would get Sorin. Between Jankulovski and Kaladze, we can get away with it for this season, but right-back is different, we need a back-up to Cafu, we don't have a good enough replacement for him in the squad.

Milan3869 · 28-08-2005, 13:24

yeah Jim Uk...oddo is a good player, but i doubt it he wants to come to milan to play only 15 games the whole year, and considering its a world cup year he wants to play as much as he can to make the starting 11 for italy....so before you go making your opinions think about the other factors, not just whether he can help us or not....and why do you think we got jankulovsky?!?...ancelotti plans on playing him on the right side too!!!...anyways stam will play at RB a few games....and what do you think, that cafu will be able to defend against those players you just mention....if we had cafu for his defensive skills all will be dandy...but the main reason we got cafu was to be able to attack from the right side more often!!!

forza milan!!

Jim_UK · 28-08-2005, 13:47

You seriously can't be saying that the reason (or one of the reasons) we got Jankulovski was to play right-back in some games ? Because that's just nonsense. Why would we bid for Oddo when we already had Jankulovski then ? I'm sure the reason we haven't got Oddo to this date is because Milan don't want to spend much more than whatever they bidded for him, thus they probably told Ancelotti to find a solution to it, which was to ask Jankulovski to play right-back ! He obviously said yes because he wants to play, but it's ridiculous to expect a prodominently left-footed player to play on the right.

Yes i would expect Cafu to be better at defending against those players because he has pace ! The hard part is running as fast as the attacking player, not the tackling. If you can keep up with them it's more than likely you will make a composed tackle, when you see a defender out paced by a player they're more than likely to dive into the tackle the first they chance they get because they know they will be out paced ... this often results in rash challenges and many free-kicks or worse.

Don't tell me when i can make my opinions, that's not for you to talk about or for you to discuss. Besides which, the point you make, although valid, isn't quite accurate. How many games will we play this season ? Possibly up to 60 and if so, you think Oddo will only play 15 and Cafu 45 ? I would disagree. One of the reasons Cafu plays so much is again because we don't have a replacement, if we did we could give Cafu more rest and breaks between games.

I do agree though that this point would be the main sticking point for Oddo coming here though, i mean if he went to Juve he'd be first choice. However i still think he'd get enough chances with us to shine and show us what he's got, plus he'd realise that Cafu's not going to be around forever.

Milan3869 · 29-08-2005, 21:41

yeah right jim UK

if we get oddo, it will be until next year...

Hitman · 30-08-2005, 01:30

Carlo has said he is considering playing Jankulovski on the right - in this way we will not need an alternative right back.
Also, I could be hard to believe that Oddo will be content with only playing 10-15 matches, since this is World Cup year - and he is among the group of players who could make it for the National side...

Dr Milano · 30-08-2005, 06:15

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Carlo has said he is considering playing Jankulovski on the right - in this way we will not need an alternative right back.
Also, I could be hard to believe that Oddo will be content with only playing 10-15 matches, since this is World Cup year - and he is among the group of players who could make it for the National side...

What an idiot sticking Jankulovski on the right he is a left back . and left mid . u watch he will mess up ............

27-08-2005, 04:17	#80
Jim_UK Registered User Join Date: 07 2001 Location: England	Yes we do have Stam and Simic that can play right back, but you're missing the point, neither of them offer the dynamics or width that Cafu does. You take away Cafu's runs on the right side and you take away a good percentage of Milan's attacking options. This is why it's crucial for us to have a similar substitute for Cafu .. i.e. an Oddo or Miguel or whoever ... If we put in a bid for Oddo 6 weeks ago, that surely shows that the management can see that right-back is a concern if anything happens to Cafu. I hope they follow this bid up with a better offer, cash + Simic for Oddo would be fine ... but i think the decision to play Jankulovski on the right has stopped us from continuing our interest in Oddo or anyone else. But in my opinion that is a mistake. __________________ ... Is watching you ...

28-08-2005, 07:15	#85
Jim_UK Registered User Join Date: 07 2001 Location: England	You're joking right Milan3869 ? Because your comment about Stam playing well at right back sure made me laugh I'm not saying there is a player who can do what Cafu does, there isn't and it's all very well saying Stam can play there for a few games, but what if Cafu is out for 6 months ? Stam isn't good enough to deputise for any period of time there that is a fact. This is why we need a player like Oddo who can offer similar qualities to Cafu. Can you imagine Stam against pacy left wingers and left-backs ? Against say Robben/Duff and Del Horno ?? That is a frightening prospect and Stam would be ripped to shreds because he has no pace and when faced against it he struggles. Can you imagine him bombing down the wing playing one-twos with Kaka ? Whipping in crosses ? No, of course not because he can't do that. All the more reason to get someone in that can do this. The time has come to move this team forward, to stop saying that Maldini, Stam and Costacurta are good enough to play successfully in full-back positions, they're not. Anyone who thinks they are, in my opinion are a little naive and a bit foolish. With the lack of width our formation provides in makes the full-back role even more important which means you need players good enough to play there. I would give Jankulovski plenty of opportunities at left-back, make him first choice to see if he can adapt and if he can't, then next season i would get Sorin. Between Jankulovski and Kaladze, we can get away with it for this season, but right-back is different, we need a back-up to Cafu, we don't have a good enough replacement for him in the squad. __________________ ... Is watching you ...

28-08-2005, 13:24	#86
Milan3869 Registered User Join Date: 07 2005 Location: Los Angeles!!! Fave Players: Maldini, Kaka, Massaro, Sheva, Boban	yeah Jim Uk...oddo is a good player, but i doubt it he wants to come to milan to play only 15 games the whole year, and considering its a world cup year he wants to play as much as he can to make the starting 11 for italy....so before you go making your opinions think about the other factors, not just whether he can help us or not....and why do you think we got jankulovsky?!?...ancelotti plans on playing him on the right side too!!!...anyways stam will play at RB a few games....and what do you think, that cafu will be able to defend against those players you just mention....if we had cafu for his defensive skills all will be dandy...but the main reason we got cafu was to be able to attack from the right side more often!!! forza milan!! Last edited by Milan3869; 28-08-2005 at 13:26.

28-08-2005, 13:47	#87
Jim_UK Registered User Join Date: 07 2001 Location: England	You seriously can't be saying that the reason (or one of the reasons) we got Jankulovski was to play right-back in some games ? Because that's just nonsense. Why would we bid for Oddo when we already had Jankulovski then ? I'm sure the reason we haven't got Oddo to this date is because Milan don't want to spend much more than whatever they bidded for him, thus they probably told Ancelotti to find a solution to it, which was to ask Jankulovski to play right-back ! He obviously said yes because he wants to play, but it's ridiculous to expect a prodominently left-footed player to play on the right. Yes i would expect Cafu to be better at defending against those players because he has pace ! The hard part is running as fast as the attacking player, not the tackling. If you can keep up with them it's more than likely you will make a composed tackle, when you see a defender out paced by a player they're more than likely to dive into the tackle the first they chance they get because they know they will be out paced ... this often results in rash challenges and many free-kicks or worse. Don't tell me when i can make my opinions, that's not for you to talk about or for you to discuss. Besides which, the point you make, although valid, isn't quite accurate. How many games will we play this season ? Possibly up to 60 and if so, you think Oddo will only play 15 and Cafu 45 ? I would disagree. One of the reasons Cafu plays so much is again because we don't have a replacement, if we did we could give Cafu more rest and breaks between games. I do agree though that this point would be the main sticking point for Oddo coming here though, i mean if he went to Juve he'd be first choice. However i still think he'd get enough chances with us to shine and show us what he's got, plus he'd realise that Cafu's not going to be around forever. __________________ ... Is watching you ... Last edited by Jim_UK; 28-08-2005 at 13:51.

30-08-2005, 01:30	#89
Hitman Registered User Join Date: 03 2000 Location: Denmark Fave Players: Nesta, Maldini, Kaka	Carlo has said he is considering playing Jankulovski on the right - in this way we will not need an alternative right back. Also, I could be hard to believe that Oddo will be content with only playing 10-15 matches, since this is World Cup year - and he is among the group of players who could make it for the National side... __________________ Milan is the best there is, the best there was - and the best that there will be!!

27-08-2005, 03:42	#78
Milan3869 Registered User Join Date: 07 2005 Location: Los Angeles!!! Fave Players: Maldini, Kaka, Massaro, Sheva, Boban	doesn't stam play RB too?!?...if he does we really dont need another RB for cafu...well i just cant wait until we play ascoli this weekend...forza milan!!

27-08-2005, 04:04	#79
rae BANNED Join Date: 10 2003 Location: Memel, Lithuania Fave Players: Costacurta Giggs & Rui Costa	I wonder why there are so many empty talk about Cafu replacement in right back position if we still have Simic [or do we still have him?]. Why is it so necessary to find another lad to play there if the contract is not expired with that Croat? And why we do not sack him if he is not Milan material, not kind a player we need...

27-08-2005, 04:29	#81
rae BANNED Join Date: 10 2003 Location: Memel, Lithuania Fave Players: Costacurta Giggs & Rui Costa	But I have heard that San Paolo has some problems with his fitness so that Janku is going to replace him on the left flank, hence he could not be a proper sub for Cafu... Anyway, I bet Carletto is enough wise and I trust him he will make a most appropriate decision to fortify our defence.

29-08-2005, 21:41	#88
Milan3869 Registered User Join Date: 07 2005 Location: Los Angeles!!! Fave Players: Maldini, Kaka, Massaro, Sheva, Boban	yeah right jim UK if we get oddo, it will be until next year...

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