Mentalità Ultras

[Karim]

I wanted to ask whether anyone has a pic of the coreo of the 2005/2006 first leg derby that Inter won 3-2, please?

[RossonerofromOZ]

Great thread.

How does it work when you go to the San Siro? Can anyone purchase tickets to the Curva and sit there, obeying protocol?

Or do the ultras already posses all the tickets in the area? Or is it general admission and anyone can sit anywhere?

What Im asking is that if I go to a milan game, can I easily in the curva?

What about at an away game, can I just go and sit with the Milan ultras if I want?

[theo]

Very interesting thread.Thanks for the thread Giovanni.

I hope I am able to visit the Curva Sud at least in the next few years.

[Giovanni]

Originally Posted by RossonerofromOZ

Great thread.

How does it work when you go to the San Siro? Can anyone purchase tickets to the Curva and sit there, obeying protocol?

Or do the ultras already posses all the tickets in the area? Or is it general admission and anyone can sit anywhere?

What Im asking is that if I go to a milan game, can I easily in the curva?

What about at an away game, can I just go and sit with the Milan ultras if I want?

Thank you for your all comments and appreciation. Despite the bad side, the Ultras world is fascinating and has some positive values and effects. Imagine the atmosphere inside stadia if we didn't have these guys. I think it's a controversial world, and using moral values to give an opinion on it is like cleaning a car with a tissue: a waste of time.

To reply these questions:
usually the 3/4 of the Curva are already busy with the season ticket holders, but it's a free area where, if you come first, you get the seat. You won't see anybody claiming for his seat there, differently from the other areas of the stadium. Therefore, if you manage to get there (not necessarely with a ticket for the 2nd blue tier, but for ex. asking the staff to leave you get there cause you travelled a lot/ have friends of girlfriend inside etc.. and bla bla bla) you find a place among the free seats in that moment available.Very important. to find a good place inside it's important to get there at least 2 h before, because people starts to fill Curva since the organisation open the gates, and on Milan Inter matches even 3-4 h.Touts usually sell tickets for this area, and i've met foreigners and visitors from Europe or even outside inside the Curva (just in the outer parts, the inner ones are occupied by groups, this people has reserved areas and they will ask you to move to another place if you stay there. The atmosphere is very similar to an alternative party, with people smoking weed and drinking cheap wine and having a relaxed chat. There are some annoying situations every bit, esp in the part closer to the pitch (the so called "Balcony") where people are pushed up 5 mins before the game, when the Ultras chief come and need their space in the first 5 rows. It can happen to lose a position you defended for a couple of hours and sometimes people get nervous, and rightly so, about it. I had a couple of quarrels with some minor chieftains about these situations, and that's why, going every week there is tiring. The occasional watcher, instead, won't even notice it and will be too thrilled by the atmosphere to mind.

Best moment: when the Curva "awaken" up from silence and start singing. It's like a mountain crashing at the floor. I just remember how gutted where the United fans when we started our songs. The moment before it was all silent, the moment after an hell.

[Franco6]

I founf this interesting article in an Italian site on the real reasons of why Fossa dismanteled. I guess that many of the below is near to the absolute truth. I'm going to give a translation in my own words.

Report:
The fact that in Milan-Juve Fossa showed the Viking flags was to repay them back for a similar thing that IRR done with an FDL flag some seasons ago. You may think that it was a mistake to exchange the flags with the banner (that was being done between ultras with no police intervention), but do you really think that FDL where so stupid to blow 37 years of history by going to report everything to the police?

MANCHESTER:
Before Juve-Milan of may 2003 there was a pact between Milan and Juve and all ultra groups so to not to cause trouble in Manchester and the particpants had huge financial benefits. Fossa didn't signed this agreement and Juve-Milan of May 2003 went without accidents only because Juve ultras respected this pact.

Police:
at Verona against Chievo after the Nassiriya disaster from Fossa they started to chant agaisnt the police moments after the minute of silence, the other curva sud didn't participate except for some individuals. It is true that maybe the chants where innapropriate but you can't respect police for a day and insult them for the rest of the year. Where is the consistency? After this Milan had to pay a fine of 40,000 euros.

CAGLIARI:
Cagliari-Milan (last season) the game ends and from BRN they start chanting pro galliani which was in the middle of the pitch. The bald comes under the curva and BRN applaudes him, as he passes near Fossa fester receives huge amounts of insults because of pay tv and the fact that he was the Lega boss.
Some curva boss didn't liked this protest and after this a$$ licker was seens hand in hand with Adriano

EMPOLI:
All curva groups decide not to go for the away game as a sign of protest for increase in match ticket price. Some FDL members went but remained outside the stadium while others went inside. This fact created a lot of tension.

TORCHES:
In the last matches only the FDL section used to light torches. As everyone knows after what happenned in the Euro derby supporters can't light torches and fines where given to the club whenever this happenned.

EUROPEI 2012:
FDL & BRN in theory agreed to make a banner saying we boycot Euro Championships of 2012. This banner appeard in FDL site but not on other sites!

[Franco6]

I note a lot a lot of irony in your post.

[Karim]

Originally Posted by Franco6

I note a lot a lot of irony in your post.

You note, I honestly wrote it because i don't have a pic for it, I want it yes to save it on my PC, I'm free to do so and I am free to ask so.
And please don't swear in this forums

[Graeme C]

Originally Posted by Franco6

I note a lot a lot of irony in your post.

couldnt have said that better

[Karim]

Suit yourselves guys

[ACMILAN1983]

Franco please don't swear, this is the second time in the past few minutes I've had to edit your posts because of it. I really don't want you to get in trouble over it, especially as you are a good poster, so please don't do it again.

[Franco6]

tell the inter fan to think twice before writing on a Milan forum. I just hope you all understood why he asked for that particular corrio.

[ACMILAN1983]

Originally Posted by Franco6

tell the inter fan to think twice before writing on a Milan forum. I just hope you all understood why he asked for that particular corrio.

Maybe he did have some sarcasm in his posts, I'm not sure just going by what he posted. I think ignoring it would be a better option though in this case.

If you found it offensive though, please report it to a mod or admin, that's why we're here.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Maybe he did have some sarcasm in his posts, I'm not sure just going by what he posted. I think ignoring it would be a better option though in this case.

If you found it offensive though, please report it to a mod or admin, that's why we're here.

I agree. Usually, idiots will go away as you ignore their posts, although that's perhaps not the bets way to resolve a discussion...

[rahul.acm]

I am surprised how no one is backing Karim in here. He isn't awful at all and in fact keeps his calm even if we are playing badly. He doesn't post here to make fun of us and has participated in good discussion. He doesn't deserve to be treated like this.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by rahul.acm

I am surprised how no one is backing Karim in here. He isn't awful at all and in fact keeps his calm even if we are playing badly. He doesn't post here to make fun of us and has participated in good discussion. He doesn't deserve to be treated like this.

It's only one guy here who tries to bully him, and he is managing it well anyway. We know the kind of poster he is that he doesn't need to be protected