(05-07-2021, 11:08 AM)Sleeping Giant Wrote: [ -> ]Milan have 20M alternative to RdP Nikola Vlasic from CSKA Moscow. (GdS) good include Laxalt in the deal too
Milan targeting Barcelona winger Francisco Trincao. (CM)
Genk goalkeeper Maarten Vandevoordt, an alternative to Maignan. (TMW)
Yes please to both those two although not sure Trincao would come cheap. But given Barca have no money, we could do a Tonali Style deal. with a paid loan with option plus Bonuses.
(05-07-2021, 12:29 PM)nefremo Wrote: [ -> ]I would not give up Gabbia. Imo, he is very underrated. I have been really impressed by him and I think he has a future here. "Problem" is he came from our youth academy, doesn't carry much hype, isn't talked much about....so the assumption is he will be just another youth system player that will eventually be used in another deal. "Someone else, like Lovato as an example, MUST be better, right?"
Truth is, he has quietly been performing every time he's been given an opportunity. People are ok paying 10-15mil for Lovato just as an example. But how is he better then Gabbia? I get he's played as a starter in Serie A this season and has shown some good things....but he also doesn't have Kjaer, Romagnoli, Tomori to compete with. So to give up Gabbia in some kind of deal for another player...then turn around and pay 15mil for someone like Lovato or similar (because we'll need a CB option if Gabbia leaves)...makes zero sense to me.
I'm a fan of Gabbia's. He's done extremely well when he's been needed and, were it not for Covid and his injury, who's to say he wouldn't already been starting by now.
(05-07-2021, 10:22 PM)Rossonero21 Wrote: [ -> ]Romagnoli has to be sold, if he does not sign a new contract in July..we cannot afford losing all our players as free agents..
Yeop. needs to be sold or we'll lose him to Juve for free.
(05-09-2021, 01:27 PM)Artan Wrote: [ -> ]Renato Sanchez is someone i would welcome at Milan too. by the way, depending on who will be the coach, i would like to switch to a three man midfield. Tonali didnt work in a 2-m mid neither, so maybe its about time that we switch to the old 4-3-1-2 one. A pacey AMF, instead of Hakan , and a good SS would make us more fluid upfront, and more balanced in the midfield.
Sanches would be a good pickup but he's apparently one of the players Mourinho asked for at any cost. Likely will mean his price and wage will jump up.
On a good SS... Depay is available for free. despite rumours, don't think he actually signed for Barcelona
(05-09-2021, 03:50 PM)ACM1899 Wrote: [ -> ]Milan need to ballsy but not dumb. Don't lose a great player by a small amount but for sure don't let avg players control any negotiations.
We will regret the money we could of made from Donna.
But never as much as I regret the loss for pennies of silva and ibra to psg.
let dollar go to Juve and play in the EL now... along Romagnoli and Hakan
Emil Roback renewed until 2026. (OFFICIAL)
Milan battling PSG, Leeds, Leverkrusen, Dortmund for 15-20M winger Romain Faivre. (Le Parisien)
Instead of looking to other leagues, if Juve faces no CL we should consider plundering. I like Chiesa (though he is annoying) and Kulesevski. Honestly would mind Ronaldo up front instead of Ibra. He still scores but just needs to be fed. We can certainly do that.
I think a Gabbia and Tomori partnership is perfect. Give Gabbia more time with less pressure to learn from Kjaer while giving the latter proper rotation to stay fresh.
Ronaldo will make more then half of our squad combined. Zero chance we can afford something like that. BUT, even in the eventuality that we can (we can't)...I would not do that. The main thing would be to address the issues we currently have. Responsibly. The collective is the most important thing. Just look at Ronaldo yesterday. He barely even touched the ball.
For me, Kulusevski has been a flop (so far). I've brought that up in the past and I know many didn't agree. I understand that. I'm not saying he won't turn out good. He's still young. But if you spend 40mil on a player, young or old, they need to produce. Kulusevski can barely get off the bench.
Chiesa is good. But they won't sell and the price at this point will be outrageous, even if they do.
To be honest....we need to learn. Learn from our own mistakes in the past. But also, from other teams' mistakes. Look at Juventus. Terribly mismanaged. They gambled. A lot. And sure...Covid accelerated their downfall in terms of finances. It wasn't something anyone could predict....but they put all their eggs in the Ronaldo basket. Their wage bill is astronomical.g
They gave Rabiot and Ramsey huge wages as well. Spent huge money on Kulusevski when he simply wasn't ready for that move. They are suffering big consequences financially. But they were snapping up players left and right the last 3-4 years...just because they could. Zero plan behind it. For example, why have a midfield of Bentancur, Rabiot and Ramsey, and then hire Sarri? Why even give Rabiot that kind of cash to begin with? He wasn't worth it. There was a reason nobody else in Europe went for him knowing the demands.
All I'm saying is...we can jump at opportunities. I'm all for it. But the opportunities have to fit the plan. I don't think Ronaldo fits the plan (financially). I'm not so sure Kulusevski fits the plan (sportingly) after his year in Juventus. Chiesa I agree would be good. But I think the boat has sailed. Unless Juventus is kicked out of the league and disbands.
(05-10-2021, 11:16 PM)honsano Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of looking to other leagues, if Juve faces no CL we should consider plundering. I like Chiesa (though he is annoying) and Kulesevski. Honestly would mind Ronaldo up front instead of Ibra. He still scores but just needs to be fed. We can certainly do that.
I think a Gabbia and Tomori partnership is perfect. Give Gabbia more time with less pressure to learn from Kjaer while giving the latter proper rotation to stay fresh.
Chiesa is in my black book he's too much of a juventino passionate. Won't b able to forget that lol
But I think he's a top notch player and the most talented Italian player at the moment. I think Juve will sell other junk before they get around to Chiesa. They'd probably rather sell Kulusevski, Ronaldo, Bonucci, Dybala ETC.
I don't think it's impossible to afford a player like CR7 with CL qualification. I know wages seem astronomical but they bring in insane revenues. Juventus sold $60,000,000 worth of Ronaldo jerseys in his first 24 hours after being unveiled there just to put things into perspective. Players like him cost less than a player like Donnarumma at 8-10m.
There aren't many players who can bring commercial revenue like CR7 though. Messi would have a similar impact.. wink
https://en.as.com/en/2019/10/17/football...79244.html
Just read that as some insight.
Juventus gets a very small fraction from those jersey sales. That's a wide misconception. By the time Adidas and Ronaldo get their cut, Juventus is left with very, very small percentage relatively speaking. Clubs are lucky if they get more then 5% of sales. Of course...the manufacturer fronts the cost of sponsorship. So Puma pays Milan 12mil a year (I think) and Milan is guaranteed that money....but in turn will only get like 5-6% of the sales since Puma bares all the risk of selling or not selling Milan's jerseys. Of course, they are paying for brand visibility as well.
Anyway....my point was that the whole "xyz club sold millions of $ worth of shirts in the first hours, or months, or years" is a myth. Maybe they did, but they definitely didn't pocket more then a few percent of that. In Juve's case...I don't think the revenue from Ronaldo's jersey sales even covered a quarter of his salary.
(05-11-2021, 04:00 AM)nefremo Wrote: [ -> ]Juventus gets a very small fraction from those jersey sales. That's a wide misconception. By the time Adidas and Ronaldo get their cut, Juventus is left with very, very small percentage relatively speaking. Clubs are lucky if they get more then 5% of sales. Of course...the manufacturer fronts the cost of sponsorship. So Puma pays Milan 12mil a year (I think) and Milan is guaranteed that money....but in turn will only get like 5-6% of the sales since Puma bares all the risk of selling or not selling Milan's jerseys. Of course, they are paying for brand visibility as well.
Anyway....my point was that the whole "xyz club sold millions of $ worth of shirts in the first hours, or months, or years" is a myth. Maybe they did, but they definitely didn't pocket more then a few percent of that. In Juve's case...I don't think the revenue from Ronaldo's jersey sales even covered a quarter of his salary.
I thought it was more like 10-15%, but even then. My point was that CR7 isn't costing Juve as much as it seems
"According to Italian paper Gazzetta dello Sport, Juventus have sold more than one million shirts since the arrival of the Portuguese star, 1,315,000 to be more precise (as of the time of reporting). That volume, at an individual price of 130 euros (more or less what an official shirt would set you back), brings in a global sales revenue of 170 million euros. Clearly there are manufacturing, distribution and other costs associated with that figure and not all the profits go to the club. But it's a clear sign.
And so it is that the 'Cristiano effect' is not only being noticed in the sale of official shirts. Juve have also seen un uplift in revenues from sponsorships and advertising, which went from 86.8 to 108.8 million euros. An increase of 21.9 million euros since he joined. The report also highlights the growth in the number of fans of the club, which increased by 38 million to take it to 423,000,000. This information came from a study undertaken by Nielsen Sports, who covered 45 countries around the world. This saw the Vecchia Signora climb three places in the world supporters ranking, from eleventh to eighth, another factor for attracting more sponsors."