(05-31-2020, 09:37 PM)Sleeping Giant Wrote: Sell both Conti and Calabria, buy a good strong RB, Duarte can be used as a back up.
For me Paqueta is also dispensable.
If there is the possibility, why now? For one reason I still believe in Conti..he has been extremely unlucky and I think he deserves one more season.
As far as Paqueta is concerned, I firmly believe he has talent and a very good versatility. Gattuso used him correctly and gave him trust and faith. On the other side Pioli and Giampaolo used him wrong and insisted in Calhanoglu (omg)..we also have to consider what are the alternatives..if he is going to be replaced by deadwood, then I believe that is better to give him one more chance..
(06-01-2020, 12:38 PM)Sleeping Giant Wrote: Are you sure about Maldini Jr??
Inculde Gabriele el Hilali, Colombo, Capanni too
Yes, I believe that Maldini has the talent. It is up to him to work hard and to show if he has real AC Milan stuff..
You are right about Capanni. About Colombo and Hilali I do not have a real opinion..
the question is, will they get a playing time, instead we are looking for talent from outside of our club, even outside the country, we should look to utilize out talent from the primavera 1st, i dont care about trophy, do we even get a trophy in the past 5 years? we need to look at long term project, our youngster from primavera isnt that bad, they just need to be given a confidence.
06-01-2020, 03:50 PM
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(06-01-2020, 01:20 PM)Rossonero21 Wrote: Yes, I believe that Maldini has the talent. It is up to him to work hard and to show if he has real AC Milan stuff..
You are right about Capanni. About Colombo and Hilali I do not have a real opinion..
Lorenzo Colombo is being compared to Vieri according to Football talent scout https://footballtalentscout.net/2019/07/...o-colombo/
Pobega and Gabbia should be part of the team and I will loan out Brescianni, Maldini, Colombo, and Capanni.
I think by looking at the profile of Brescianni and Capanni, lowly Serie A sides can take them for a season. The rest will be loan out to Serie B sides.
(06-01-2020, 01:53 PM)sylrus Wrote: the question is, will they get a playing tim e, instead we are looking for talent from outside of our club, even outside the country, we should look to utilize out talent from the primavera 1st, i dont care about trophy, do we even get a trophy in the past 5 years? we need to look at long term project, our youngster from primavera isnt that bad, they just need to be given a confidence.
Rangnick mainly focused on developing youth players but getting Ivan Juric(current Hellas manager), who has developed some good young players like Kumbulla, Amrabat, Pessina in this season only, would be a supplement.
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(05-31-2020, 05:47 PM)porcho Wrote: I disagree that that is what's going on here. No one wants Icardi. He's too much Drama. The only clubs Interested seem to be P$G and Juve regardless of COVID. Inter don't want to sell to Juve so they're stuck with the option of either Keeping a problem player and losing more money, or selling to P$G for whatever they can get.
Plus. goes back to what I had said earlier. The financial status of the club owners have no bearing on FFP. Inter have spent a bunch of money and need to sell ASAP in order to balance the books. Better to get 57m now then risk it and potentially end up getting even less.
Really? No one wants Icardi and that’s why he’s going for 50m? So if no one wanted him, why 50m - why not 20m? A price of 50m + 7m bonuses shows a discount of 20m on the base price - 28.5% discount! And this is just the first transfer post pandemic! From a relatively healthy club financially in comparison to the rest of the market which represents 99% of world football.
Let me remind you of what I told you in the previous posts last week, UEFA has scrapped FFP for this year so what happens in this years (and probably next) financials is irrelevant. What matters is the REAL financial situation of the clubs (and owners) right now and not the FFP. No one cares about UEFA’s FFP right now so I don’t know why you keep bringing it up. Clubs are more concerned about surviving and getting that TV rights money, that is their #1 objective and the #2 objective doesn’t even come close in importance.
Sources: FUTAA and The Athletic (can’t find the UEFA link rn)
People will try so hard to push their narrative. How can anyone disagree that clubs will suffer/are suffering financially? Here are a few sources from only football-Italia and only in the last 3 days.
FIGC President Gravina: “some clubs were trying to stop the season, perhaps convinced it would allow them to avoid paying salaries.”
Lotito: “This is not a victory for Lotito, but for all Italian football,” the Lazio President told Adnkronos news agency.
“I am certain that with this restart, our football will be able to maintain the elevated quality standard that is recognised all over the world.
Preziosi: ‘it’s right to resume’ the championship but has pointed out that the Rossoblu will come out of the pandemic affected and in financial difficulties.’
Parma: “Year of sacrifices” ‘There were losses due to the shutdown and there will be more, especially as we’ll be playing behind closed doors, while the transfer market will certainly have to change.
“Parma players made a great sacrifice by accepting a pay cut and giving a show of unity with the club. It’s going to be a year of sacrifices for everyone, as don’t forget many regular workers won’t be able to go on vacation this year either.
“If we don’t restart now, we never will, so it’s important we get back to work, albeit without fans. It’s a problem playing in July and it’s an even bigger problem if we don’t play, so we’ve just got to deal with it.”’
QED. I won’t waste anymore time convincing you that the sky is blue.
I don't think relaxation means as much freedom as you might think. For a club like Milan it would probably mean even less if after the relaxation is over we haven't fixed anything. Let's say FFP goes away for one year and we spend 200million in that one year. After the one year we would have a larger wage bill, bigger amortization amounts too.
Unless we are back to the 90s Milan can't spend much. About discounts from other teams we still don't know, Icardi may or may not mean much in the bigger picture. Also, the window is likely in September so things can still change too.
06-01-2020, 05:24 PM
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Discounts are just as likely as market freezes. In other words, clubs are just as likely to sell at a discount as they are not to sell at all at such low values (if they can hold off). Being able to hold off will be much easier in the top 5 leagues and even easier for the top clubs in the top 5 leagues. It's all going to depend on many many factors.....including, but not limited to: creditors requests/leniencies, season resumptions and TV rights payouts (full?, partial?, how is this going to work?), government subsidies and packages, players' willingness to take paycuts (many have already done this, etc, etc.
About the FFP issue.....maybe nobody cares about it....but clubs still care about balancing the books and more importantly freeing up cashflow. This is a business after all. Don't forget that Inter has to dish out cash for both Barella and Sensi this summer. Selling Icardi was always the plan for them. After what publically happened between Inter and Icardi (taking away the armband from him and that whole circus), Icardi was never ever going back to Inter. Inter was in a tight spot with this transfer. Options weren't exactly in abundance. I don't wanna make it seem like Covid didn't play a part in the price. I'm just saying it isn't quite the perfect example for future projections.
But anyway, I don't think anyone is "trying to push their agenda" here. Just good people discussing and sharing opinions. I don't think anyone is disagreeing that some discounts will be out there. I just think people, including myself, have reservations about the level of discounts we'll see. I think it's still very early for us to have a good idea of that. As I said, Icardi's transfer amount (on the surface of things) does seem like a discount. But I wouldn't be so quick to set that as a benchmark. We'll see what follows, and as I said, it'll be affected by many factors. One thing is for sure though, and on this I can agree with, we're not going to be seeing any Neymar/Coutinho/Dembele/Pogba type transfers this summer....meaning we're not going to see fees in the 100s of millions. But imo, that's also more likely to mean that players of that stature will not be moving clubs this summer. Having said that, nothing is ever 100% and who's to say that a Coutinho-Bayern type of loan+option won't happen for certain players. But it's very hard to say whether or not something like that is "Covid driven" or it was bound to happen anyway due to a number of other reasons.
I think Scaroni summed up the owner's vision statement this morning. "Cutting cost and buying at reaaonable price". It doesn't take alot of thinking and analyzing to understand where we are going until we get sold.
I wouldn't get my hopes up about being competitive in the near to mid term future. Forget rangrick's method about young players and grooming them to reach top levels. We just want to have a balance book fitting to a mid table serie A club.
I think a hard reset is better than beating around the bush for almost 2 years.
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According to il Milanista, Milan have strike agreement over 15M deal for Sassuolo owned striker Gianluca Scamacca, only Rangnick approval missing.
In addition to Dumfries and Noussair Mazraoui, the Rossoneri are also monitoring Bart Nieuwkoop (Willem II), Joshua Brenet (his contract with Vitesse will expire) and Rick Karsdorp, snubbed by Roma and now back at Feyenoord on loan for Right Back position.
According to transfer source Alessandro Jacobone on Twitter, Milan have held conversations with Giuliano Bertolucci regarding Ajax winger David Neres, who had six goals and two assists in 20 appearances across all competitions prior to suffering a knee injury.
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06-01-2020, 09:36 PM
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Neres is an excellent 1v1 player. I wouldn't be opposed to this at all.
Scamacca seems to be one of those guys that has great balance between physical and technical ability. Can't say I've seen much of him other than youtube and some of the U19 WC this last summer. He seems to have all the tools needed, but obviously at 21, you never quite know how he'll turn out? Bobo Vieri or Zlatan? Or Boriello/Petagna? In any case, these are the types of signins you take a chance on. In the current market (prior to Covid-19), 15mil would be nothing considering the possible upside of the player. So I'd be happy if this report was true and I hope Rangnick will see something great in Scamacca.
As for the RBs mentioned....I'm not at all happy with any of those names. Not impressed by Dumfries or Mazraoui, while I have no idea who Nieuwkoop is.
On Karsdorp...I was so jealous when Roma got him. I remember I first saw him play for the Dutch National Team, and his speed and ability to attack down the right was so impressive to me. I knew the competition wasn't good (I believe it was Belarus or Estonia...1 of the 2), but than he had a great performance against France as well. Anyway, when Monchi decided to buy him, it almost validated my opinion and I thought he was going to be great for Roma. Fast forward a couple years and some bad injuries, and he's totally failed to live up to expectations. So my concern is that he is simply not better than Conti and Calabria. Definitely not on the defensive side (and it's not that difficult to be better defensively than Conti).
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