Poll: European Super League with 15+5 teams?
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Yes, mo' money mo' money
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#81
(04-19-2021, 07:03 PM)ACM2021 Wrote: This is brinkmanship. Whichever side has more to lose will give in first. I don't condone either side, but this shit is hitting the fan and it will write an important page in world football history, so I am excited. This is something as big as Bosman if not bigger. 

I still believe both sides will sit down and work out between them, but before that stage, they have to bluff really hard and bark fiercely at each other.  Icon_lol2

The rich clubs have said they want NBA-style league. This is it. It seems now they have the money to setup the league and looks like they’ll have the support from the tv channels. The football stocks are up today, the revenue estimates are exploding with the news of banking support. Seems very possible to happen.
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#82
Klopp just basically pooped on the "super league" proposition, though, rightly he pooped on UEFA and FIFA too. Also as for player's union thing, Leeds players are wearing shirts with "Earn it" written on them and I couldn't agree more.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
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#83
Jovola Wrote:Klopp just basically pooped on the "super league" proposition, though, rightly he pooped on UEFA and FIFA too. Also as for player's union thing, Leeds players are wearing shirts with "Earn it" written on them and I couldn't agree more.

Klopp will probably be Bayern München's coach next season. He's totally against the Super League and BM needs a new coach.
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#84
(04-19-2021, 07:25 PM)Jovola Wrote: Klopp just basically pooped on the "super league" proposition, though, rightly he pooped on UEFA and FIFA too. Also as for player's union thing, Leeds players are wearing shirts with "Earn it" written on them and I couldn't agree more.

I am glad that important people like him (Klopp) speaks out and does so in a balanced manner. 

The real issue will however not be resolved. Too much money being involved, making it a highway to hell. Clubs and UEFA/FIFA will continue to lock horns (even after this current issue is tentatively resolved), victimizing the players, and small clubs.

One more hypothetical question: Imagine a Leeds player gets a chance to play for Liverpool, would he choose the money/fame (but may get banned from NT), or will he choose to stay and “earn it”? This is the intrinsic property (self interest in human nature) that makes the problem a perpetual one.
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#85
(04-19-2021, 07:39 PM)Arildonardo Wrote: Klopp will probably be Bayern München's coach next season. He's totally against the Super League and BM needs a new coach.

BM would join ESL, if there would be one.  Icon_lol2

Source is reliable. It is my gut feeling. Big Grin (I read that they hired a lawyer to assess the pros and cons.)
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#87
Don't know about Leeds players, but Fernandes made it clear what he thinks, so I feel he won't be staying in MU under these circumstances. I am very interested to see how many great players will leave these "super clubs".
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
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#88
British government ready to stop Superleague by any means if FA cant. Don't what they can do and how they think to act but could be useful ally...
Avaiting for arrival of exorcist into our boardroom.
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#89
I'll repost what I wrote on Reddit about this:

I seriously feel like I'm in mourning today. This whole idea just completely ignores football as a fundamental part of modern European culture. They want to revolutionize the game, but in reality they might end up killing it. Football is a beautiful game, but a big part of what makes it so special is that sense that there's always a risk involved.

Yet at the same time, I think maybe football has been broken for a long time already. If we're really honest with ourselves, it's already been 20 years since a team other than us, Juve or Inter won the Scudetto. There's just a handful of clubs that at this point have a realistic shot at winning the Champions League, and the last time a "smaller" club (Porto) won it was 17 years ago. We certainly won't have a chance of winning it for the next decade unless something changes pretty dramatically within European football - Financial Fair Play has made sure of that. That combo of FFP blocking clubs from creating teams that can qualify for the CL, combined with massive income for the clubs that do play in the CL, has made it possible for the richest clubs to create a monopoly that I would say might be worse than the Super League. In the Super League we would at least have a shot at actually building a great team again.

So I feel really torn about the whole thing, to be honest. And part of me thinks this might be a way for these 12 clubs to force UEFA into changing the CL into something pretty much exactly like this Super League. Like Suzy Campanale over at Football Italia said, UEFA's proposal for changes to the CL is pretty much identical to the proposed Super League, except without a participation guarantee for the biggest clubs: https://www.football-italia.net/169385/s...ining-ploy

As for Milan's situation:

For being one of the clubs that has truly made European football what it is, we've been given such a hard time by UEFA for a long time now. I am in no way thrilled about this Superleague, but AC Milan was fundamental in making the Champions League the cash cow for UEFA that it is today. In return they started shitting on us as soon as we fell on hard times.

What kind of sense did it make to punish the current Milan ownership for the sins of Berlusconi and Mr. Li? They made an example out of us, completely unnecessarily. In a sense they are now reaping what they've sown.

Now, that said, I think we are kind of betraying Serie A here. We didn't become a great club in spite of Serie A, but because of it, and because of a lot of other, smaller clubs around Europe and the world. Many of our most talented Italian players have come from other Serie A clubs, because these clubs had the resources to develop them into top-level players. So if we're going to do this, we have to at least make sure that the money does in fact trickle down. I don't see that happening though.
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#90
uefa are shitting on us for years now, why should not we do the same to them now? if super league means more money then why not... if this is a project which will generate more cash for the clubs soon many others will join. let the corrupt uefa and fifa drown in their own shit. have fun with levante and cagliari playing the next champions league final
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