Winter mercato January 2015

[ACMILAN1983]

There aren't many teenagers not called Messi with better stats than that. Averaging goal/assist every 3 games playing only one half is pretty good. Bojan definitely digressed since then which is why he's playing for Stoke

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Again, expectations were higher than what he produced and he grew up as part of the system that Barca played. Therefore it's hard to argue he was a success, especially knowing he averaged 1 goal in every 4 appearances and assists much less.

He's not particularly gotten worse, he's just continued to struggle and hasn't grown. Either way, if you think he was a success then so be it, I really couldn't care less about Bojan's time in Barca if I'm honest.

[Jokka]

I agree but its where we're at.I have zero expectations & still think we'll place anywhere ftom 6th to 10th ,2 wins doesnt change that.The Parma game was a farce while I welcome the 3 points it could of been 4-0 to Parma or 5-0 to Milan these games happen.

Muntari Poli Rami Niang Pazzini are not a problem for me (Muntari's wage is) what I will say is those are players that you have when you already have a great or at least V.Good starting 11 which we dont.
I know exactly what you mean though its not what Milan expect ,going from Scudettos Champions Leagues players like Sheva Nesta Pirlo Seedorf Boban Baresi Maldini and countless others ,being a top side the best side a feared team to a nothing mid-table side its terrible.

Milan are no longer a big team no longer a player abroad or at home.
They rely on scraps and handouts ,until this ownership is gone that will not change.And while the Muntaris Niang Ramis Pazzos etc... are below par players to you ,its the kind of players EL battling teams have.

Yes I agree we'll finish 6th or possibly worse. I'm not under any illusion after the Lazio/Parma games. Yes it was great getting 6 points but both teams defending was shambolic. Especially the Parma game which ran like a comedy movie. We won't be so lucky against the bigger teams or minnows who park the bus.

I can't see Menez/Honda tearing apart defences all season as they're not good enough. Let's face it they'd be riding the bench at Juve, Roma, Napoli etc. It's depressing when other teams bench players > Milan's starting XI

[ZvonimirBoban]

Yes I agree we'll finish 6th or possibly worse. I'm not under any illusion after the Lazio/Parma games. Yes it was great getting 6 points but both teams defending was shambolic. Especially the Parma game which ran like a comedy movie. We won't be so lucky against the bigger teams or minnows who park the bus.

I can't see Menez/Honda tearing apart defences all season as they're not good enough. Let's face it they'd be riding the bench at Juve, Roma, Napoli etc. It's depressing when other teams bench players > Milan's starting XI

Not to spoil your fun in relentlessly bullying almost all of our current players, but tell me one Juve/Roma/Napoli's bench players who are better than Menez or Honda?

[xudong]

No you misunderstood my issues with quality mainly. If we'd signed Pogba, Coman, Pirlo, Llorente free I'd be doing cartwheels. But 90% of our free/low cost transfers have been utter garbage. The fact 15 players cost practically nothing AND most are trash makes Milan a laughing stock.

In general, our squad's full of too many below par players. I don't think anyone can argue the following aren't fodder/medicore:-

1. Abbiati
2. Agazzi
3. Armero
4. Albertazzi
5. Bonera
6. Mexes
7. Rami
8. Zaccardo
9. Essien
10. Muntari
11. Poli
12. Saponara
13. Niang
14. Pazzini

I do agree that I want to get rid of some of them too, but I am realistic to know that we are not talking about a side that is year in and year out making semifinals of Champions League. Even when you go back time, when we had a truly dominant side, I am sure that with your standard, you could easily identify several "fodders".

Also, I appreciate those who take into their considerations the financial aspect. For example, I can't think of a reason why we should send away Albertazzi knowing that he is on a salary of 0.1m annually. The problem is Mexes who is earning 40 times higher while doing close to nothing.

[Jokka]

Not to spoil your fun in relentlessly bullying almost all of our current players, but tell me one Juve/Roma/Napoli's bench players who are better than Menez or Honda?

Lol. Off the top of my head Marchisio/Destro/Gervinho/Llajic/Mertens and soon Morata/Coman/Jorginho. Don't forget Menez already bombed at Roma before

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He's not particularly gotten worse, he's just continued to struggle and hasn't grown. Either way, if you think he was a success then so be it, I really couldn't care less about Bojan's time in Barca if I'm honest.

If going from Barca to Stoke in 3 seasons isn't getting worse don't know what is.

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I do agree that I want to get rid of some of them too, but I am realistic to know that we are not talking about a side that is year in and year out making semifinals of Champions League. Even when you go back time, when we had a truly dominant side, I am sure that with your standard, you could easily identify several "fodders".

Also, I appreciate those who take into their considerations the financial aspect. For example, I can't think of a reason why we should send away Albertazzi knowing that he is on a salary of 0.1m annually. The problem is Mexes who is earning 40 times higher while doing close to nothing.

Yes but fodders back in the day were far fewer and of a higher standard. E.g. whereas Honda/Menez/Abate/Montolivo are starting now they'd be on the bench before. I agree with your point on salaries. It's shameful our fodder filled squad has Serie A's second highest wage bill

[Jay Crisp]

Lol. Off the top of my head Marchisio/Destro/Gervinho/Llajic/Mertens and soon Morata/Coman/Jorginho. Don't forget Menez already bombed at Roma

Marchisio isnt a bench player nor is Destro they play very regularly.Gervinho isnt a bench player.
Morata Jorginho are not better than Menez or Honda SES Monty ,they could be but now theyre just kids with big potential.
Coman...really are you serious a guy with what 3/4 senior games...everrrr.The grass is always greener with you Jokka...I mean Coman better than our starters.Thats whats your saying.Not true my friend ,nor is Ljajic...Mertens is not a bench player.

To you Niang is crap has no potential will never go anywhere.But you say Coman is better than our starters....thats some out there thinking.

[sylrus]

LOL at what jokka is answering from boban
i think u need love milan a bit more man, u really not appreciate our player by much, but singing a high song about players from our rival that they could be a flop to. i rate menez and honda way better than the players u mention even before they become a milan player.
for me, i dont rate their players in the bench to be better than our bench warmer, its just that their 1st team player is a lot better than ours. like pirlo/tevez or de rossi or hamsik
my god i dont even know the other team players anymore, i only know milan thats it.

[Jokka]

Marchisio isnt a bench player nor is Destro they play very regularly.Gervinho isnt a bench player.
Morata Jorginho are not better than Menez or Honda SES Monty ,they could be but now theyre just kids with big potential.
Coman...really are you serious a guy with what 3/4 senior games...everrrr.The grass is always greener with you Jokka...I mean Coman better than our starters.Thats whats your saying.Not true my friend ,nor is Ljajic...Mertens is not a bench player.

To you Niang is crap has no potential will never go anywhere.But you say Coman is better than our starters....thats some out there thinking.

What are you talking about?! Last season Pirlo-Pogba-Vidal started with Marchisio coming off bench. Roma usually plays 1 of Florenzi/Gervinho and both > Menez/Honda. Llajic is much better too (check his stats). FYI Napoli normally start Callejon + Insignie so Mertens is a bench player.

When did I say Jorginho/Morata/Coman are better now? I said they'll be better in future which you agreed. After watching Coman/reading critics reviews (not keyboard warriors) he's destined to be a major player. Nobody's ever written anything positive about Niang only negative press

[Jay Crisp]

Well Jokka Boban asked you name one Juve/Roma/Napoli bench player better than Milan starters ,and you quoted him then replied Marchisio/Destro/Gervinho/Ljahic/Mertens/Morata/Coman/Jorginho.You did not say Morata Coman Jorginho will/could be better.

I also didnt say they will be I said COULD be.Im prob the most negative pessimistic Milan fan om here ,but while I share the same thoughts that our squad is average and above average on a good day ,you see no spots you only post negativity ,and im not suggesting you shouldnt air your opinion.

Marchisio played over 40 games last season.
Mertens played in 10 more games than Isigne and 5 games less than Callejon ,not bad for a bench player.
Ljajic i like but hes been pretty disappointing at Roma by his Viola days.In Comans 6 senior games where he has not scored he has shown talent and got good reviews so did Niang (im not a Niang fan BTW ) .

[ZvonimirBoban]

Marchisio isnt a bench player nor is Destro they play very regularly.Gervinho isnt a bench player.
Morata Jorginho are not better than Menez or Honda SES Monty ,they could be but now theyre just kids with big potential.
Coman...really are you serious a guy with what 3/4 senior games...everrrr.The grass is always greener with you Jokka...I mean Coman better than our starters.Thats whats your saying.Not true my friend ,nor is Ljajic...Mertens is not a bench player.

To you Niang is crap has no potential will never go anywhere.But you say Coman is better than our starters....thats some out there thinking.

What are you talking about?! Last season Pirlo-Pogba-Vidal started with Marchisio coming off bench. Roma usually plays 1 of Florenzi/Gervinho and both > Menez/Honda. Llajic is much better too (check his stats). FYI Napoli normally start Callejon + Insignie so Mertens is a bench player.

When did I say Jorginho/Morata/Coman are better now? I said they'll be better in future which you agreed. After watching Coman/reading critics reviews (not keyboard warriors) he's destined to be a major player. Nobody's ever written anything positive about Niang only negative press

Marchisio only become bench player because he's injured much, and he's in different position than Honda or Menez. Florenzi/Gervinho/Mertens? To avoid adding more criterias later in this discussion as happened once before, please describe what parameters you use to state that those players are better than these, etc.