I'm just thinking... could it be that Berlusconi actually wants what's best for Milan? I mean, we all know that he has used the club for political gain, but if that's all it's been about, then logically he would have sold the whole club now that he's not a politician anymore.
I do think that he is driven by his ego as well, since he's not selling a majority, but I actually believe him when he says for him, Milan is an "affair of the heart", and that it's not easy for him to be doing this. He has been president for almost 30 years, after all, and in spite of the last few years, it's been the most successful period in our 116 year long history. Call me naive, but this man has spent so much money on the club, investing in everything from infrastructure to players. All of those "gifts from President Berlusconi," as Galliani would call them. Milan as a company has been losing a lot of money every single year since he took over, and he's paid all the bills and then some. I think he cares quite a lot about Milan.
As for the takeover, I think it is wise to not replace everyone at the top. As I have said before, Galliani tends to do well when he has an actual, serious transfer budget to work with. Barbara has proved that she has a good brain for business, and is behind both Casa Milan and the new stadium, as well as having gotten us some important sponsorship deals.
(05-01-2015, 05:13 PM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote: Nefremo you're talking about Maroni who's the head of the Lombardy region and was in discussion with the club about selling the expo venue for the new stadium. I don't know how much he knows, though he's admitted to being a fan of the club, but he's said the Chinese don't have the money. That's highly doubtful given the names involved, but I can imagine they aren't prepared to spend as much as we might hope, particularly as Fu Yixiang said none were prepared to invest individually in the club. Obviously that's speculation on my part.
This Fu Yixiang guy, IMHO, is trying to milk the Milan story for his own personal good, i.e. his name and business get noticed by Chinese and Italian who want to do business in Italy and China.
Both Wahaha, the beverage maker, and Wanda, the real estate developer, had officially denied the rumour long before Fu put forward his mishmash.
The telecommunications giants Huawei is a low key player and has been Milan's sponsor for years, probably prefers to stay this way.
Jack Ma, founder of e-commerce giant Alibaba, personal fortune $22 billion, just bought 50% of Guangzhou Heng Da F.C. for CNY 1.2 billion at the beginning 2015. (Its coach used to be Lippi and now Cannavaro.) Right now it seems that he lacks the motives to invest in an foreign football team.
The crowdfunding he referred to, I guess, is an idea Fu "stole" from the report that over 300 Chinese who chipped in some money for a newly promoted La Liga team Eibar. http://fortune.com/2014/06/19/sd-eibar-s...wdfunding/
It is simply unrealistic to raise half billion euro through crowdfunding and to bring 10k Chinese fans to Milan match. Fu was shooting from the hip.
(05-02-2015, 02:49 PM)lancelot Wrote: Ok the questions you put are rhetoric, but you don't know that we will eventually return with the administration we have the recent years. Who remember Cardiff? Who remember Nottingham Forest? Teams that made history and in the last decades have been disappeared. Yes I agree money don't bring immediate happiness in football but eventually... they deliver! We have been in our darkest moments some years now, we disbanded Milan Lab(which I believe was one of the biggest mistake), we abandoned the policy to bring big players, we don't even try a model like Porto, what we do? Nothing, we let players like Muntary humiliate us. We need changes, Basta was a very clever message.
Who said Milan Lab is disbanded? Just check on the official website, it is here: http://www.acmilan.com/en/club/milan_lab
Looks like after seemingly agreeing with Bee Berlusconi is back in contact with the other, second group of bidders (the Chinese ones. Typical Berlusconi lol
LOL indeed. Then again, nothing should surprise us. Berlusconi is a politician, businessman, and a snake (the right word?).
No, they've already denied that one. There is only Mr. Bee.
05-03-2015, 11:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-03-2015, 11:06 PM by aim.)
(05-02-2015, 10:40 AM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote: aim, you've made some really good points, but I do think based on your posts you might be in a bit of a panic about the sale. Please don't take that as offensive, but it's like Bee's already owner and destroying the club when I read your posts.
I am not panic rather I see what is coming with Mr. Bee & Co through the behaviour patterns of these Asian owners mentioned above and Doyen. (BTW, I myself is Asian, let's be totally clear about that.)
Prove of my worries:
Loans to clubs: Thohir vs. Elkann
In the day after the derby, while the Nerazzurri fans complain about a penalty not given to them and Milan fans console themselves with the good performance of Suso, news on issues not related to the field rekindled themselves. Erick Thohir would define the amount to be paid back on loan to the coffers of Inter: 50 millions Euros.
"In football it is difficult to predict the results, but certainly we will work hard to get to do the good of the club" explained the Indonesian businessman at the end of the derby. A job that provides a direct economic contribution: Already last year , Erick Thohir put his hand on his Own pocket 22,3 millions of euro , an interest -bearing loan with an interest rate of 8% , to facilitate the operations of the club and that would then be joined to the 230 million arrived from the operation Inter Media Communication / Goldman Sachs ( 200 for refinancing debt and 30 for ordinary ) and now the new loan, which could help the Nerazzurri on the market .
In Turin we resort to injections of money from the owners , or the family safe Exor which provided new resources to the subsidiary Juventus as cash . The holding company , says the financial report of the company , " in January 2015 approved the opening of a credit line of up to € 50 million to the subsidiary Juventus Football Club , with effect from 1 February 2015 and expiring on 31 December 2015, at a rate of interest equal to one month Euribor plus a spread of 2% . "
By comparison, it turns out that the end is Thohir to apply a higher rate . Yes , because the Euribor one month , given the current trend in interest rates is even negative ( -0.033 % ) , then the rate Elkann is equal to 1.967% , compared with 8% of that of Thohir (so that would replicate the rate already applied to the previous loan from his own pocket) .
Source: Calcio e Finanza.
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So basically, Thohir is charging his own club 8% for the loans he lent to Inter, whereas Elkann is charging only 1.967%
http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showpost.p...tcount=155
Given the historical low interest rates set by major central banks, Inter may get a much better deal with lower interest than 8% (!) if it had applied loans directly to Italian banks.
Tohir is making himself profitable on Inter.
05-03-2015, 11:44 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-03-2015, 11:47 PM by lancelot.)
(05-02-2015, 10:03 PM)aim Wrote: Who said Milan Lab is disbanded? Just check on the official website, it is here: http://www.acmilan.com/en/club/milan_lab
Are you sure for this? I read it in an article from Four Four Two some months ago, that Jean Pierre Meersseman, the one that founded Milan Lab and was the one responsible for it, left Milan in 2010 and now he is based on London UK.
Maybe the lab is inactive nowadays?
PS
More on this, check point 6 here: http://www.italianfootballdaily.com/10-t...dorf-need/ (and read what Meersseman states)
Been @ Milanmania over a decade, by this nickname (which i had to re-register for a strange reason a year ago), have seen Milan go back and forward to successes and failures, and despite i am a Greek, Milan per sempre either in good or bad times. 
(05-02-2015, 09:03 PM)devoted_dm Wrote: As for the takeover, I think it is wise to not replace everyone at the top. As I have said before, Galliani tends to do well when he has an actual, serious transfer budget to work with.
Galliani has a serious budget.He never has not had one.Take this season Milan spent €240m & he managed to add €91.3m debt on that and dipped into next years revenue.
This Galliani has no money is B.S.He spends money disgustingly , hes bad at his job.I mean this season Agazzi Abbiatti Armero Mexes Zaccardo Zapata Essien Muntari Pazzo Torres Seedorf cost well over €50m in wages alone.He had €12m to spend on Matri when Tevez cost €10m the same window.Extending Muntari last Aug with a 100% pay rise.
Milan consistently spend more money than any Italian club this year even though we sold Balotelli got his Kakas Binho half of Matris wage off the wage bill , reduced all players salaries by 20% we still spent €330+ million.With €91.3m of that debt.The time has come for him to fuck off.
05-04-2015, 12:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-04-2015, 12:15 PM by ACMILAN1983.)
There's an interesting article/interview with Bee:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editori...ID=HP_HN_1
I think his use of the media to gain leverage in this deal and generate enthusiasm and interest is impressive. He's saying all the right things to gain support and simply having his face everywhere seems to be enough. It's like the other day, when he commented on the deal with Silvio, and I saw people online impressed by his English. Apparently Silvio is annoyed by his public comments, but I doubt that's true, as nothing new was said.
Regarding the Chinese delegation meeting yesterday, only GDS say it was about a takeover, pretty everyone else says it might be to invest in the stadium. Berlusconi and Finnivest both denied it being about buying the club.
On MilanLab, it still exists, but it's not the same as it was under Meersseman, who I believe is now working independently and if I remember it's had big budget cuts due to the economic situation. Elements that were part of the original are still there though, such as the use of metrics to measure player health and fitness (Daniele Tognaccini's work).
(05-03-2015, 11:03 PM)aim Wrote: I am not panic rather I see what is coming with Mr. Bee & Co through the behaviour patterns of these Asian owners mentioned above and Doyen. (BTW, I myself is Asian, let's be totally clear about that.)
Prove of my worries:
Loans to clubs: Thohir vs. Elkann
In the day after the derby, while the Nerazzurri fans complain about a penalty not given to them and Milan fans console themselves with the good performance of Suso, news on issues not related to the field rekindled themselves. Erick Thohir would define the amount to be paid back on loan to the coffers of Inter: 50 millions Euros.
"In football it is difficult to predict the results, but certainly we will work hard to get to do the good of the club" explained the Indonesian businessman at the end of the derby. A job that provides a direct economic contribution: Already last year , Erick Thohir put his hand on his Own pocket 22,3 millions of euro , an interest -bearing loan with an interest rate of 8% , to facilitate the operations of the club and that would then be joined to the 230 million arrived from the operation Inter Media Communication / Goldman Sachs ( 200 for refinancing debt and 30 for ordinary ) and now the new loan, which could help the Nerazzurri on the market .
In Turin we resort to injections of money from the owners , or the family safe Exor which provided new resources to the subsidiary Juventus as cash . The holding company , says the financial report of the company , " in January 2015 approved the opening of a credit line of up to € 50 million to the subsidiary Juventus Football Club , with effect from 1 February 2015 and expiring on 31 December 2015, at a rate of interest equal to one month Euribor plus a spread of 2% . "
By comparison, it turns out that the end is Thohir to apply a higher rate . Yes , because the Euribor one month , given the current trend in interest rates is even negative ( -0.033 % ) , then the rate Elkann is equal to 1.967% , compared with 8% of that of Thohir (so that would replicate the rate already applied to the previous loan from his own pocket) .
Source: Calcio e Finanza.
====
So basically, Thohir is charging his own club 8% for the loans he lent to Inter, whereas Elkann is charging only 1.967%
http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showpost.p...tcount=155
Given the historical low interest rates set by major central banks, Inter may get a much better deal with lower interest than 8% (!) if it had applied loans directly to Italian banks.
Tohir is making himself profitable on Inter.
The problem is this isn't proof of what will occur, this point and the post you made about Asian owners are case studies and examples of what could occur. Regarding the failures of Asian owned clubs, it's a trend, but not particularly evidence of what will happen with Milan, particularly because of the strength of the Milan brand.
Even then, I think this is a broader sense of failure, because even Arab owned clubs aren't exactly setting the world on fire, imo Man City until now have been underwhelming despite spending around a billion pounds and PSG, while hugely dominant in France, are yet to make the impact in Europe that they need to.
Point is, these are all individuals who have struggled to make the desired impact in football because of one reason or another. Bee could follow the same path and essentially struggle to succeed, but that depends on numerous factors, not just him and his backers or which part of the world he's from.
On taking out loans and making the club pay interest, it's a practice that's becoming more common place in football, as investors look to make money out of the club. In the Thohir example, either I'm missing something in translation (there's little to no information in English), or the full story isn't being said, but right now there doesn't seem to be much information on what he's doing, just that he's getting loans to invest into the club with an aim to build and hope that investment works out.
I used the Glazers (who btw were advised by Rothschild, who have advised Bee about Milan) as an example a few pages ago. If you asked me up to about a year or two ago about their takeover, I'd have described it as a disaster. Even now I have issues with what they've done, but, and it's a big but, they have been putting the infrastructure in place for United to be successful. If the club continues the path it's on, at least as a commercial business, then really in 10 years time I bet a lot of people will have changed their view significantly on the Glazers.
This is what it comes down to with Milan too. The days of the sugar daddy paying for everything are disappearing and a new era is starting where football is a viable business for investors. While that means the gifts of the past will go away, if they work well, then it's in the best interest for clubs to be run this way, as they will no longer be dependent on certain individuals "donating" huge sums of money, and instead be self sufficient.
Just out of curiosity and off topic, what part of Asia are you from? I'm of Indian ethnicity and also think Milan should strongly target the Indian market, in addition to the other asian markets it's targeted. Football is likely to explode there in the not too distant future, so now is the time to lay foundations to build your market. Also, if I'm correct, Milan is one of the best supported teams there, although the Premiership is definitely the most popular.
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