Milan Under 23 Discussion

[RossoKing]

On International duty, I had the thought of having Milan U23 in line with JuveU23, what do guys think of it? It's just a discussion nothing serious on this tbf.

[Sleeping Giant]

Good question tbh but as with everything there are some pros and cons for having Under 23 team.

Pros - primavera players after attaining enough experience to play their first professional games can get good amount of playing time to gain experience, Bellodi              and  Tsadjout in their loan move hardly got any playing time. Both of them were highly rated during their youth days.
       -  Good earning can be achieved by selling them Rube earned around 20M by selling their Under 23 players this transfer window.
       -  We can extensively focus on some talented players which they might not get in their loan moves
       -  We can keep young players for longer time so that they do not comeback to not bite us back


Cons -  Separate budget will required
        -  We might need to develop better scouting network to survive in Serie C, it's not easy and is a expensive stuff
        -  The main problem with Under 23 is that players might end up playing too many season in U23 team, as clubs might not be able to decide whether to keep               or sell. If this might  happen then players like Donnarumma, Gabbia, Cutrone would still be a under 23 player. This is where Rube is doing wrong.
        -  After sometimes tbh, it will become a mess, if not maintained properly for example there are four 30+ players in Rube under23, you know they have                       become a complete mess.
      


If one wants to have Under23 learn from Spanish clubs like Madrid and Barca, they really know how to manage their youths, sell or loan them after having a good season in Under 23 team or keep them as backup for players in first team. PLayers should not be kept for too much time. Needs more time and information to learn from Barca and Madrid Under 23, Rube U23 is utter failure other than making small sum of money.

If you are asking me, I will rather have a B team, like Lazio and Salernitana(Lotito owns both of them), that's more better tbh(if used effectively)

[porcho]

Good question tbh but as with everything there are some pros and cons for having Under 23 team.

Pros - primavera players after attaining enough experience to play their first professional games can get good amount of playing time to gain experience, Bellodi              and  Tsadjout in their loan move hardly got any playing time. Both of them were highly rated during their youth days.
       -  Good earning can be achieved by selling them Rube earned around 20M by selling their Under 23 players this transfer window.
       -  We can extensively focus on some talented players which they might not get in their loan moves
       -  We can keep young players for longer time so that they do not comeback to not bite us back


Cons -  Separate budget will required
        -  We might need to develop better scouting network to survive in Serie C, it's not easy and is a expensive stuff
        -  The main problem with Under 23 is that players might end up playing too many season in U23 team, as clubs might not be able to decide whether to keep               or sell. If this might  happen then players like Donnarumma, Gabbia, Cutrone would still be a under 23 player. This is where Rube is doing wrong.
        -  After sometimes tbh, it will become a mess, if not maintained properly for example there are four 30+ players in Rube under23, you know they have                       become a complete mess.
      


If one wants to have Under23 learn from Spanish clubs like Madrid and Barca, they really know how to manage their youths, sell or loan them after having a good season in Under 23 team or keep them as backup for players in first team. PLayers should not be kept for too much time. Needs more time and information to learn from Barca and Madrid Under 23, Rube U23 is utter failure other than making small sum of money.

If you are asking me, I will rather have a B team, like Lazio and Salernitana(Lotito owns both of them), that's more better tbh(if used effectively)

If you want to see how an Under 23s can be successful, you're better off looking at Portugal. The amount of good quality youth that comes through all the B teams. 
They get the experience playing against adults and slowly integrate into the seniors. Most start training mostly with the seniors and playing with the B team, then start playing cup games with the seniors then get proper opportunities. The better players don't last long in the B team and the weaker players stay there until they're sold.

It quickly separates the boys from the men rather than taking a risk and finding a player isn't good enough or having talented youngsters just sitting on the bench like we have now.

[Sleeping Giant]

The problem here is that Italian are absolutely dumbfucks when developing players, I have often seen some good and strong players come from Serie B and Serie C rather from highly acclaimed primaveras. 

I will give you great example of that in Cagliari right now...

There was a guy few months ago, I don't know how many people remember his name, he is Luca Gagliano, 20 year CF who scored against Rubentus on his debut!! and also assisted a goal with his long pass in the same match during post COVID matches where Cagliari thrased Rube 2-0. I was such a huge moment for him, you know what happened to him... He has been loaned out to Serie club Olbia(which is another Sardinia club) just for sake of maintaining Sardinia brotherhood, imagine how much of his confidence was destroyed at that moment. If this would have been a Portuguese or Dutch club then they would have sold Giovanni Simeone and kept Gagliano for another season and then also sold him next year for 50M.   Whatever the Italians are doing is killing their own talent and future.

[sylrus]

our primavera have been performing nicely this season, manage to go past the group stage of youth league

[Aficio]

Yeah, this year our Primavera were not bad, but I didn't imagine Chelsea's were that bad as they invested a lot on signing young talents.

But my first thought seeing this thread was about having a 2nd team that compete in Italian league system, like Juve Next Gen in Serie C, they surely have a bunch of playable kids.

[sylrus]

it would be better if we could get them to participate in a real adult league instead of just playing in the primavera

[Siregar]

our primavera have been performing nicely this season, manage to go past the group stage of youth league

 
Youth League = primavera 1 league?

[Sleeping Giant]

 
Youth League = primavera 1 league?

UEFA youth league or whatever it is called

[Demonbanana]

What's the difference between this thread and the Primavera thread? Lol


Anyway , Lazetic with a hat-trick.