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Warro Bantan
19-08-2004, 07:41
On the latest edition of the Club vs country row:

AC Milan is now in the “bad books” of the Brazilian FA for not releasing the club’s Brazilian players for what is essentially a political :yuck: friendly in Haiti.

Inter in their “wisdom” have allowed their star forward Adriano to go, and other clubs such as Madrid have given the irreplaceable Ronaldo the nod to play in the friendly, as have Barca re Ronaldhino.

As a Jamaican, I have great misgivings over the recent man-handling of Haiti’s government by the US, and as such would not look kindly at whatever efforts are made to prop up this artificially created Haitian government, which this friendly is hoped to achieve. (Brazil now has a major force of “peace-keepers” in Haiti, at the USA’s request, and, so as to boost relations with the Haitian people, have used their most potent weapons, their revered footballers, to help win favour.)

Politics aside however…. but wait, this match is political, so it cannot be put aside, but so useless is this friendly in actual footballing terms that for Brazil to name all their European stars for the game is just a slap in the face for the clubs who pay these players, and rely on them to perform…I can see the headlines now…“Ronaldo to miss season with career threatening injury!”…all as a result of an over-enthusiastic tackle or a poor pitch.

The risks are just too great in my opinion, worse with Milan having a major match coming up (vs Lazio for the Italian Super-Cup) to have key players such as Kaka, Cafu and Dida travel, play, and travel again all in a very short time frame. Jet-lag and a sprain, contusion, niggle, or break, would render an important part of Milan’s team unfit to play, with repercussions for the season at large depending on the severity of the injury.

Ultimately it will be the players that feel the CBF’s ire, as they are to be dropped from the next competitive fixture, a World Cup qualifier, vs Bolivia.

Yet this will suit the clubs whom the CBF are trying to spite…or is it a strategy aimed at scaring the players into being recalcitrant to their employers, fussing and fuming, throwing fits and sulking like spoilt children so they can be released to play in Brazil’s next match? The Fu…ing world cup is in 2006, a whole 2 seasons away…give me a break CBF…I cant believe this federation, but anyone who has seen the chaos that is Brazilian domestic football can well understand the motives and actions of this group of unbelievable imbeciles.

I seem here to be running the risk of upsetting my Brazilian friends, so let me hasten to add that I have been to your beautiful country, and have the utmost respect for your people, culture and your football, yet the CBF remains a blot on your national reputation.

It seems that the least said about them (CBF) the better at this point, however, let me say this, that I hope our Brazilian players have the fortitude to resist the childish impulses of their federation, and realize that they have all the time to shine for their clubs and so force the hand of the selectors/coach come time for the actual finals, that undoubtedly, with even the “C-team” Brazil will qualify for.

As far as I am aware, and my Italian milanisti are welcome to correct me here, having a certain amount of “caps” has not the impact in Italy as it has in say England, where the number of national team caps can mean the granting or denial of a “work-permit”…therefore the CBF is forced to censure the players, as that is their only sphere of influence insofar as Italian clubs are concerned….is it because Adriano and Ronaldo twisted managements hands why they were allowed to play? Or is it because there is no competitive fixture on the horizon for these clubs? Doesn’t Madrid have a UCL 2nd leg qualifier to play shortly? Or will Ronaldo have time to recover? Or have they instructed the CBF/Coach to play Ronaldo for 15 minutes of the 1st half?

The Milan contingent can ill afford a trip rite now, with the Super Cup on the horizon, and the CBF should recognize this and back off, rather than preventing players whose desire to represent their country of birth is both admirable and a beacon of hope in a world where some players demand compensation from their FA’s for the “honour” of wearing their countries’ colours.

ACMILAN1983
19-08-2004, 11:21
Thanks for the detailed post Warro. It really helped me understand the situation a lot better.

I'm just glad we can keep our players for the match on Saturday

Stezagud
19-08-2004, 11:45
you're right, in normal circumstances there would be no need whatsoever for Milans players to travel for a game of this nature. I wont pretend to know as much about the political situation as you do but i dont like the sound of it.

Is the CBF really the bad guy in this though? I accept they make the call ups but if they are being pressured into sending a strong team then it would seem they are stuck between the politicians and the football clubs.

PS bad news for you if you're a cricket fan, Freddie's batting and the fours are beginning to fly :D

Reza
19-08-2004, 11:54
I for one have always believed that NTs deserve to play their games and friendlies TO A LIMIT ofcourse, I believe FIFA rules say that European based players are not obliged to fly out for friendlies outside of Europe but August 18 was set as an international date so if the game was in England for example would they have gone? The likelihood of injury would be same but not the jet lag I guess. There is always risk of injury and the 'political' nature of the game wouldn't really have changed that.

Before anybody complains :D I am not saying our Brazilians were 100% wrong not to go and believe me I have heard and read countless articles about the workings of the CBF and the type of friendlies they arrange... but I don't like the way NT games are always frowned upon and objected to except when its the actual World Cup games or something

Ruffian
19-08-2004, 18:54
The clubs don't have to release players for Brazilian friendlies outside of Europe. This is unfair to the Brazilians, of course, who might like to see their players once in a while, but the CBF had to be stopped from driving the players into the ground just to line their pockets. It's not like they use the money on young Brazilian footballers or anything like that. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure that the Brazilian "C" team would qualify for anything, even though I admit a "B" team plus Adriano did win the Copa America. The Brazilians aren't at the Olympics, and that's partly because Milan kicked up a fuss about releasing Kaká for both the U-21 and senior teams. Obviously Milan should release the players for real games such as the qualifiers, but not for the plethora of friendlies.

As for certain countries getting rid of other countries' democratically elected leaders (and Aristide was elected), well... at least Chavez in Venezuela has been able to resist them twice.

ACMILAN1983
20-08-2004, 10:40
well, on goal.com some guy commented on how great the friendly was and the only real losers were Milan for being spoiled sports or something.

But he also mentioned how we were wrong as we kept them even though the Italian season hasn't started yet. In this he clearly shows his lack of knowledge, as we have a competitive game tomorrow in the Supercup, which the club have taken quite seriously.

Warro Bantan
21-08-2004, 09:48
The CBF had this to say about the issue, taken from Football Italia...http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug21a.html

However, the Rossoneri have run into a diplomatic row with Brazil following their decision to keep Dida, Marcos Cafu and Kaka in the lead-up to this game.


“The time has come to make ourselves heard,” slammed Ricardo Teixeira, President of the Brazilian Federation. “We already had to give up Kaka in our Olympic qualifiers, then the Copa America and other matches, but despite that there was still no negotiating for Thursday’s friendly against Haiti. Enough is enough.”


The CBF has also aimed its fury at Bayern Munich for holding back Lucio and Ze Roberto, threatening to ban these players – and Milan’s three Brazilians – from taking part in the Selecao's games ever again.

ACMILAN1983
21-08-2004, 10:36
Are the Brazilian federation idiots or something!?

Brazil didn't make the olympics and if they have to rely on a single player like Kaka to get there, then they simply shouldn't be there. Its a team sport and the team should be able to make do without the individual, its not like they don't have other talented youngsters. Milan were in a very delicate situation at the time and needed Kaka to be able to compete in all competitions, otherwise we would have lacked the squad needed to succeed.

I didn't even know our players were called to the Copa America. I personally thought Brazil excluded all their stars for the competition, am I wrong?

As for negotiating for a friendly, its ridiculous. Milan have a competitive game tonight, which, quite frankly, should take priority over the friendly. If it was the other way round and Brazil were playing a competitive match and we were in a friendly, then I'd expect Milan to release the players.

For these reasons, Brazil are thinking about axing 5 of their most important players, which I find unfair to the players and idiocy on the part of the CBF.

Josh
21-08-2004, 12:02
I agree with ACMilan 1983.

The official "Supercup" competition, which is the traditional start of the new season (plus a "trophy" for the winner) is more important than a friendly international game no one will remember tomorrow. I would understand the fuzz if it was a World Cup qualifier, Coppa America or the Olympics- but not a meaningless friendly game.

In general, both sides (the Clubs and the National Teams) should be flexible enough and reach common ground without accusing each other over the newspapers.

Inferno
05-09-2004, 18:23
CBF are idiots.

Anyway, seems that Brazil are managing fine without Milan's players(Bayern's too) .... 3-1 to Brazil vs Bolivia tonight.(sorry carlos ;))
is this ban going to continue beyond the game tonight? :stupid:

this last friday Milan sended her brazilians to Formula 1 at Monza.... maybe to forget a little their comb out? :sagrin:

Giovanni
05-09-2004, 18:59
Cbf has chosen the wrong team to challenge with, we can't deny we are the most powerful team in the world both on the field and ona political stage

ACMILAN1983
06-09-2004, 06:40
I saw Brazil last night and they were very impressive, even if they were facing a fairly poor side.

Well if our players don't play for Brazil anymore then I guess it makes things easier for us

kris
11-10-2004, 06:24
Their exclusion from the national team didn't last long. :D:D