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Giovanni

14-09-2004, 04:55

Firstly it was a small noise, very far and not reliable, then it has become louder, despite not being already taken outside the underground level, and more consistent.
I'm talinking about the rumour Ronaldinho can leave Barcelona and that Milan is willful to take him to san siro.

Galliani said once: "I have a dream, and it's called Ronaldinho". Then a very reliable journalist, half spanish and half italian, Gerardo Vallega from AS told once: " Ronaldinho will go on the market, the financial situation of Barca is very risky, if they don't get a major amount of moneys within one season at best".
Yesterday, i heard Ronaldinho is in constant contact with the brazilians at Milanello . Plus, why signing Deco and Giuly when you already have Ronaldinho? More important, can Barcelona maintain such superstars with a dodgy balance, after so many important signings?
Why Galliani told that to the media? Don't you think it's the kind of player Berlusconi would want to take to San Siro, according to the spectacul Milan conceived through all these years in the Berlusconi era? If Galliani open his mouth about a player, it's a strange message.

I confess: i wasn't a huge Ronaldinho fan till i watched some collections of his plays through his brief career; he's a pure genious. I will post this video sooner or later, but i believe many have it already (i got it from XT).

rae

14-09-2004, 05:07

IMO, we have not enough money for that, we have enough good players at this position, we have no real weaknesses in our squad. So why do we have to aquire the most expensive player (and best one of course) in the world, it is insanity to waist money on that, yhe opportunity is lost, and now we have to look for new rising stars not for shinning...
:mex:

Giovanni

14-09-2004, 05:20

Because we missed Maradona to couple with Van Basten many years ago, and won't make the mistake to miss the signing of a genious again!

Not enough moneys? Plus, what have we spent in the last years? Plus, you say: let's go find new talents: but Ronaldinho is 25 y o, it'd be a player for more than 10 years.. Imagine in terms of moneys, how many you get back using the name Ronaldinho or his image. Look how many interest an amazing player like Kakà has taken to san siro..these players excite the people of every country and every team, because every football lovers love them, simple as that.

On a technical point of view, imagine :

---------------DIDA

CAFU----NESTA---STAM-----MALDINI

----GATTUSO------------PIRLO

RONALDINHO------KAKA'-------SEEDORF

--------------SHEVCHENKO

Ronaldinho and Kakà are very attcking so they can partner with Sheva, who can play amazing games alone upfront. The technical reason is here: three amazing players + Pirlo to feed the best striker of the world in the top of his career.

Only on a Ronaldo- Sheva or Adriano -Sheva partnership i would have some doubts to gel better than Ronaldinho in our lineup.

People after the CL of 2003 said: we mustn't change, we are already perfect. the fact is you have to try to get always better. And i want the myth of the INVINCIBILI to live again

Ruud Gullit

14-09-2004, 05:25

Ronaldinho is 24 y o, because he is born in 1980 year. He very good player and I want see him in Milan next year, but no in that year, because we have Rui Costa. Next year he go out from our team.

rae

14-09-2004, 05:40

Giovanni

14-09-2004, 06:38

Yes, Dinho is the best in the world at the moment, but there is crucial reaso why we should stay calm. We are club which has no weaknesses, the only thing that can stop us is - AC Milan. If we are in the form that is, let's say, ''not bad'' then we can conquer the world many many times again and again....but....

If we buy Dinho we will accpet the strategy ''buying stars to inmrove our fiancial problems''. And there would not left any romantism and grace of football at all. We do not brew new talents we only buy them for abroad. It is not the way I imagine football. It is not the way the modern football should go. I do not tolerate such things. I am very sad to see that our club is not trying to change anything...
Such players like Alessandro Costacurta, Paolo Maldini, Demetrio Albertini, Franco Baresi... our club is proud to have such persons in possesion. I do not see continuation of this glorious deed in future. i do not see anything. I am speaking from my heart, there is no fake in my words. I should say my heart bleeds...

!Forza Milan Per Sempre!

Wheter you like it or not, if we have a poor youngster team, we must buy elsewhere. We aren't Madrid, the players at Milanello are a family, not just overpaid superstars. We have always had primedonne at Milan, but with us it has been simply different. I understand you are afraid our team can become too filled of superstars, but believe me: with quality, you can jut deliver to the top.

Plus, Milan is a team which has to perform every year, how can they make improve youngsters? How many time to play can Pozzi or Borrliello find if every match you have to perform and can't fail even preseason friendlies cause you are ACMILAN? cause you are the best or among the best teams in the world? You know we can't fail even friendlies cause our performances must live up with the expectations people has .We are not Parma or Ajax.

rae

14-09-2004, 06:43

!Then just look at MUFC and Real!

Giovanni

14-09-2004, 06:49

i don't get your point

meazza

14-09-2004, 06:52

we don't need him, but he would improve any team on the planet and if the option came up I don't see how anyone could refuse.

Inferno

14-09-2004, 07:27

If you take Berlusconi's word seriously about playing with two strikers then there is no room to Galliani's dream.
of course, a 'Kakà - Ronaldinho' can make the boss to exceed... I believe. :devs:

acdc81

14-09-2004, 07:33

i don't whink we will spend so much money on a player which position we have already covered very well. we surely have some money as milan has not spent too much in the recent past but i think they are going to use it on an area of the team that really needs it. our defense. with billy, paolo, cafu, stam, pancaro who all are gone in 2 years we have to buy big there. our midfield is young and our attack will also not need that much fresh blood it's the denfense we need to build new around nesta.

as Rae i too hope that at least one player in our new defense will be from the youth system. but i guess the best chances has pozzi.

forza milano

mk18

14-09-2004, 08:07

what the hell are u guys talking about, i think laporta already calculated things before he got deco, giuly, edmislon, etoo ... im pretty sure he aint selling his player of the year last seasona dn player of the liga season...

if he really needs that money bad then he would sell puyol or some1, infact not even puyol but some1 like motta or xavi or he wouldve sold saviola instead of loaning him. laporta is a smart man and he proved it so far, i dont think he wouldve got giuly with luis garcia present if he was in such enormous debts. besides barca made a deal with telecom i think in which they get 90M to spend for 3 seasons.

and im not saying this because barca is my 2nd team but because it sounds reasonable and im pretty sure everyone would love to have ronaldinho in their team but i think he loves barca and barca love him.

however i think we should sign solari on a free from real or maybe we can go for alexander hleb, a future star!!

Laudrup

14-09-2004, 09:47

Keep on dreaming. :p017: - - - - > P.S. Cool smiley! :pr115:

ilgenio

14-09-2004, 10:11

If Little Ron is available due to Barca's financial problems then I'll say whip out the cheque book Berlu! The sight of the holy trinity (Sheva, Kaka & Little Rona) alone is enough to send shockwaves down opposing defences! :ole:

Rae, Milan don't have the tradition of promoting youngsters from the youth team. We are not Ajax, who IMO have a tradition of developing good young players in Europe. Milan has always spent big bucks on mega transfers (mostly on foreigners too) of the world's best players since the early days of Rocco.

And the list of mega transfers is impressive indeed!
On top of my head, I can recall:

Gren
Nordhal
Liedholm
Schiaffino
Altafini
Amarildo
Sormani
Schnellinger
Mark Hateley (I had to include him for the 2 goals in the derby win back in 85-86 :devf: )
Gullit
Van Basten
Rijkaard
Savicevic
Boban
Papin
Weah
Leonardo
Bierhoff
Shevchenko
Rui Costa

I may have missed out others but anyway, delevoping players from the youth team just ain't Milan's policy. Milan is not exactly an "Italian" club, since the post war days it always has a cosmopolitan feel.

kris

14-09-2004, 10:12

I would obvisouly love this deal, but Ronaldinho have said that he loves Barcelona and it is known he moved to them because of that. One of the few players that could actually improve our team.

Bayman

14-09-2004, 10:26

These are just the same as all the Totti rumours. Nonsense. Always the same unreliable rumour mills (Mosca, Franco Rossi,....)
If he goes (highly unlikely itself) he'll most likely join Real Madrid.
Chelsea and ManUtd, no way. He won't go to england.
Anyway I'd prefer that money spent on areas where we need new players much more in 2-3 years time: central defenders and central midfield.

.... i dont think he wouldve got giuly with luis garcia present if he was in such enormous debts. besides barca made a deal with telecom i think in which they get 90M to spend for 3 seasons.

Hasn't Luis Garcia joined Liverpool??
And Barca have debt: around 150m €uros. That figure was even named on their official website (annual financial report).

Giovanni

14-09-2004, 10:46

Sorry, but where does Madrid insert Ronaldinho among: RAUL, ZIDANE, RONALDO, MORIENTES, OWEN, FIGO ?

Plus, it's not an unreliable source: i told Gallega of AS, plus Laudisa of La Gazzetta dello Sport who is the master of all market experts: they didn't say he will be available, but that he can be on the market sooner.

This isn't a discussion on a deal, there's no deal! But i wanted to listen other milanisti opinion on him.

Barça had debts before Laporta becoming president, plus now he has signed so many important players!!! You' ll see , Barca is in very dangerous waters! Gallega is an expert of the spanish football, he lives in madrid, writes for AS, it's not Maurizio Mosca or other crappy tv showmen. He told Barca will have sooner or later to find 50 millions or more..

Reza

14-09-2004, 10:57

If he becomes available we will be one of the very few teams that can afford that kind of transfer fee anyhow. So for sure we will be after him and a younger talent such as him is rare and should at least be seriously considered. Paying that much for one player is not the wisest move ever tho, great talent or not, but Berlusconi will decide that if it happens.

Giovanni

14-09-2004, 11:05

I just wanna point out that Milan has got 15 millions of euros from the season ticket champaign, which has not even finished yet, and i don't even count the millions from the CL mini season tickets, just for the qualifying stages.

Don't worry about moneys, they have spent few moneys on players, even if the salaries are very high at Milan (like in every top club anyway).

Just to give you the dimension Milan is very wealthy now and can afford every transfert fee around.Plus, with Berlusconi back we mustn't worry. It's veen a political fact: Berlusconi wants to keep the highest image for Milan even as a political investimet: If he remains a winner, it has a dramatic impact even on the elections. It's something every expert would suggest.

Plus, it's genuine Milan passion, even in times when he wasn't involved with politics, has always been expressed by signing spectacul players who can provide many moneys back, great victories and a truly wise merchanding investiment.

Bayman

14-09-2004, 12:03

ACMILAN1983

14-09-2004, 12:06

Well, I admit I have been very critical of Ronaldinho in recent years. I remember seeing him as a youngster and thinking he had the potential to be the worlds best. Then I've been watching him over the years and have been getting disappointed. Last year he was very good (I still think he had more to give) and personally, I see improvements in every match I see him play in now. Currently, I'm still unsure whether I consider him the world's best, but he has changed my opinion.

Personally, I'm not a person who thinks we need him, but he's definately a good player and would help us be stronger. However, I don't see Barca selling him anytime soon, nor do I see us buying him

Giovanni

14-09-2004, 12:20

And another thing:
He might be called the best player, but the same was said about Rivaldo.
Who knows if he performs for Milan like he does for Barca...? Didi he perform like that at PSG too? No, imo.
I'd prefer to invest in Tevez.
sorry but there's a contradiction: how can you be unsure of a player who plays since many years in top competitions in europe and since so many years regular in the wc winners' NT, and be so confident in a 20 y o unproven in Europe. I think Tevez is very good anyway, but there's a contradiction in your arguments.
Plus, there's not even one thing in common between Ronaldinho at 24 and Rivaldo at 31/32, except they are brazilians and strikers.

Bayman

14-09-2004, 12:49

sorry but there's a contradiction: how can you be unsure of a player who plays since many years in top competitions in europe and since so many years regular in the wc winners' NT, and be so confident in a 20 y o unproven in Europe. I think Tevez is very good anyway, but there's a contradiction in your arguments.
Plus, there's not even one thing in common between Ronaldinho at 24 and Rivaldo at 31/32, except they are brazilians and strikers.

Tevez is more the hard working very phsical type of player. Ronaldinho is about fun and free role in midfield. Tevez is more like the typical successfull Serie A striker.

Quivering

15-09-2004, 05:12

Ronaldinho is one of the players that no doubt would improve our squad. Basically, this rumour is too good to be true.

Giovanni

15-09-2004, 07:00

Bayman Ronaldinho is awesome both in scoring stunners and sering assists, just take a look at the celtic park match of last nite and watch the assist he served deco

ACMILAN1983

15-09-2004, 07:26

Bayman Ronaldinho is awesome both in scoring stunners and sering assists, just take a look at the celtic park match of last nite and watch the assist he served deco

I don't think its a good idea to tell people to look at Barca attacking players against Celtic last night because Celtic's defence was absoloutly terrible.

rae

15-09-2004, 08:04

i don't get your point
I mean, MUFC has so many great players playing for their side at the moment:
Ryan Giggs, Gary and Phil Nevilles, John O'Shea, Wes Brown, Paul Scholes etc. And Nicky butt though he is not MUFC memeber at the moment:(
The same thing has to be said about Real: Casillas, Bravo, Pavon, Portillo, Raul, Guti etc. are Madrid boys.
And MUFC and RMCF are great clubs and has to be on top every season as well as we are. So why we can not do the same thing?!
:confused:

Peachtot

15-09-2004, 08:46

Ronaldinho is 24 y o, because he is born in 1980 year. He very good player and I want see him in Milan next year, but no in that year, because we have Rui Costa. Next year he go out from our team.

I'm agree w/ you
Dinho be main target next season.
Enough this season! :rr30:
Media say I Meravigliosi Milan.
So Milan still needs best player n that guy is dinho!!
MIlan has enough fund!!
Last 2 years, Milan only spended a few milliions for transfer.
In This Case : Trust ME !!!

Gio-mania

15-09-2004, 12:52

cmon,
barca might have money debts, but real madrid would end up having him at the end,- zidanes a goner, figos gone in some yrs, and real have the policy of buying a superstar every year.

lets say ronaldinho costed as little as 30m €, with that you could get 2 promising youngsters at the same price,- ex. kompany and robinho,
but ronaldinho is probably over 60m €, then u get the two i just mensioned, good offensive drive(robinho) and a classy defender(kompany), heitinga, gilardino, Mancíní maxwell, snjder, almost all of those mensioned,- or other options slightly more expiriensed players,
many of these players could substituit stam, cafu, maldini, pancaro, costacurta, rui costa, superpippo and other old players.
but ofcourse if the chance comes at low price: take him and give him the rossonero shirt!!!!!!

Giovanni

15-09-2004, 12:59

cmon,
barca might have money debts, but real madrid would end up having him at the end,- zidanes a goner, figos gone in some yrs, and real have the policy of buying a superstar every year.

lets say ronaldinho costed as little as 30m €, with that you could get 2 promising youngsters at the same price,- ex. kompany and robinho,
but ronaldinho is probably over 60m €, then u get the two i just mensioned, good offensive drive(
?all of those mensioned,- or other options slightly more expiriensed players,
many of these players could substituit stam, cafu, maldini, pancaro, costacurta, rui costa, superpippo and other old players.
but ofcourse if the chance comes at low price: take him and give him the rossonero shirt!!!!!!

ok but where do you put:

heitinga kompany maxwell

mancini snejder robinho

gilardino

?

plus i don't know why people worries about moneys, it's like you pay for them

mk18

15-09-2004, 14:02

ok the quote thing is not working so im gonna do this

bayman: "Hasn't Luis Garcia joined Liverpool??
And Barca have debt: around 150m €uros. That figure was even named on their official website (annual financial report)."

what i meant is that before they got giuly, barca already had a very good right winger in luis garcia, and then they got giuly still, im sure laporta is a smart man, its not like theres that big of a difference between giuly and LG (eventhough giuly is definatly better). barca have this finiacial stuff under control, laporta is a lawyer, hes a very smart man, i dont tihnk hes dumb enough to sell ronaldinho and even if he was forced to sell im pretty sure the rest of the squad would be put on the transfer list way before he is.

giovanni, i dont think milan spent alot these last few years to blow it all of on ronaldinho especially if his position is already well covered here, im pretty sure that money is saved to invest in the defence when the guys retire.

AND WHO SAID RONALDINHO IS LEAVING ANYWAYS??? ... SH*T!!!

Giovanni

15-09-2004, 19:11

to invest in defence? who are you going to prefer? milan bought stam and coloccini, we can't just invest on defence, we bought nesta who is 28, we have taken to san siro pancaro and cafu for free (except the wages)...our next investiment must be a future star upfront! if you mean to replace maldini, who are you going to sign? beckembauer? there's no replacement for him. simple as that. plus, milan is showing they know how to get services of stars with a lot of time in advance, as the stam deal showed. i wouldn't worry

plus, i wouldn't dare to say moneys on ronaldinho are wasted.24 y o, amazing player, CAN DO EVERYTHING.
i will try to post some videos, then maybe you can change a bit your view

kris

16-09-2004, 02:03

rae

16-09-2004, 05:47

ok but where do you put:

heitinga kompany maxwell

mancini snejder robinho

gilardino

?

the only one I would like to see in Rossonero shirt is Gilardino. Simple reason - we have to much foreign players so we NEEED italian men!!!!!!!

Ruud Gullit

16-09-2004, 06:28

Rae I agree with you. Milan should have more italian players.

Ruud Gullit

16-09-2004, 06:30

Today I have read that Robinho would be Chelsea player. I like Kompany, but I think he should play in Anderlecht.

mk18

16-09-2004, 09:28

whats wrong with the quote thing

giovanni: "to invest in defence? who are you going to prefer? milan bought stam and coloccini, we can't just invest on defence, we bought nesta who is 28, we have taken to san siro pancaro and cafu for free (except the wages)...our next investiment must be a future star upfront! if you mean to replace maldini, who are you going to sign? beckembauer? there's no replacement for him. simple as that. plus, milan is showing they know how to get services of stars with a lot of time in advance, as the stam deal showed. i wouldn't worry

plus, i wouldn't dare to say moneys on ronaldinho are wasted.24 y o, amazing player, CAN DO EVERYTHING.
i will try to post some videos, then maybe you can change a bit your view"

1. investing in defence... what i mean by that is when maldini, cafu, stam, billy, pancaro all leave the club we are bound to get new players in their position, and its not like its gonna cost us some pennys ... if were gonna get a replacement for maldini its gotta be the best defender available other than the ones we got... and that will cost us alot!!! and ur way of planning -sorry to say i dont mean to be rude so dont respond in a harsh way- for the future is horrible, its wrong to put in mind that we will sign players for cheap prices just because we already have bought some these last two years... were gonna splash out more than 50M on deputees ... thats the mentality u should have, therefore when the asking price is way above what u expect all ur plans wont be ruined!

2. and about the maldini-beckenbaur thing... just ebcause theres no one as good as maldini it doesnt mean we should buy some1 else... we might as well stop playing when baresi retired then... we should get the best option available.

3. oh and belive me if its anyone that knows about ronaldinho its me... barca are my 2nd favorite team, and i follow everygame except for the ones that are played in the same time when milan plays, i think ive seen enough of ronaldinho to judge on my own, so dont bother posting some videos because im pretty sure ive seen everything there is to see about him. oh and i never said its a waste of money, what i said is that were already covered in his position so it doesnt make a big of a difference if he did or didnt join! offcourse having him would be great but id rather see him stay at barca.

almilan

16-09-2004, 13:22

Kaka
Sheva Ronaldinho

or

Kaka
Sheva Adrianno

or

Kaka
Sheva Ronaldo

Ive had a really good feeling one of the above is going to be our attack for 2005-06 season if the milan management sort out their differences with the brazilan federation.
With us being such a top club and with dida, cafu and kaka here already we are the logical choice for any top brazilan player

ACMILAN1983

16-09-2004, 14:10

Adriano is looking better all the time at the moment while Ronaldo is returning to his old self, so I wouldn't mind any of the three mentioned almilan ;)

Henrik

16-09-2004, 14:23

Adriano for Sergihno or Brocchi when the transfer window opens again ;)
You never know with Moratti :D

Reza

16-09-2004, 14:30

Adriano for Sergihno or Brocchi when the transfer window opens again ;)
You never know with Moratti :D

I was gonna say that we might even make it Serginho AND Brocchi but that would be too much for Inter ;)

Henrik

16-09-2004, 14:37

I was gonna say that we might even make it Serginho AND Brocchi but that would be too much for Inter ;)
Maybe they want Simic back? And what happened to Umit, who they got in exchange that time?

BaggioForever

16-09-2004, 22:15

Rae I agree with you. Milan should have more italian players.

i third your opinion...milan should have more italian players...i suggest for daniele bonera , gilardino from parma , and mayb marco donadel and andrea briotti...i feel they r pretty promising youth to take on the midfield and defence respectively in the future...

just my 2 cents worth :D

:1ole: FORZA MILAN :1ole:

rae

17-09-2004, 03:48

i third your opinion...milan should have more italian players...i suggest for daniele bonera , gilardino from parma , and mayb marco donadel and andrea briotti...i feel they r pretty promising youth to take on the midfield and defence respectively in the future...

just my 2 cents worth :D

:1ole: FORZA MILAN :1ole:
Totally agreed...we should represent not only Milano in European stage but also Italia.... we should be the best ITALIAN club for all times....
:mex:

mk18

17-09-2004, 04:09

donadel cant do ****!!!! too bad we own him, hes a bad player, very lousy... very aggresive, thats what inter like, we should give him to inter + serginho + simic + cash for adriano.

or we can trade gila with donadel + cash with parma. if its one player i hate its donadel.

man having gila or ronaldo or adriano alongside sheva is like a dream.

Bayman

17-09-2004, 04:44

i third your opinion...milan should have more italian players...i suggest for daniele bonera , gilardino from parma , and mayb marco donadel and andrea briotti...i feel they r pretty promising youth to take on the midfield and defence respectively in the future...

just my 2 cents worth :D

:1ole: FORZA MILAN :1ole:

Bonera and Gilardino ok.
But plz no mediocre Italian midfielders....

ilgenio

17-09-2004, 11:34

What's wrong with having a cosmopolitan lineup at Milan?
Like I said in an earlier post, Milan has never been exactly an "Italian" team.
If I had to select an all-time Milan XI (post-war), I'll pick:

------------------Cudicini-----------------

----Schnellinger-----Baresi------Maldini----

--Liedholm---Ancelotti---Rijkaard---Gullit----

--------------------Rivera------------------

-----------Nordhal-------Van Basten---------

And with 7 subs allowed in today's game, my bench consists of:
Dida
Tassotti
Lodetti
Savicevic
Schiaffino
Altafini
Shevchenko

That's 5 Italians in the starting XI and 2 on the bench (a total of 7 out of 18). I may swap Nesta for Tassotti, Gattuso for Lodetti, and Kaka for Savicevic 5 years down the road if they managed to win at least 3 more scudetti & a Champion's League with the current lot. :delol:

Ok I must admit that 2 other Italian players came very close to making the final 18, but in the end I picked Tassotti over Trapattoni, and Savicevic over Donadoni.

mk18

17-09-2004, 12:39

wheres weah? and baggio ... i may understand the baggio thing since his best came from other team but weah... world player of the year and the greatest african to ever live!!!

and wheres gunnar gren and cesare maldini? and desailly!!!!!

Shmikes

18-09-2004, 12:27

Back with the Ronaldinho thing, I believe the is one of the greatest players at the minute, by far the best player in La Liga last season, so skillful and brings a smile to fans faces, which only a few players can do!! But he would be far too expensive, although I would love to see him at Milan, I highly doubt we will buy him. he is still at total legend in Scotland for that goal he scored against England in World Cup.

Ruud Gullit

20-09-2004, 02:47

Adriano scores every game, he is very good player and I want to see him in Milan.

rae

20-09-2004, 03:57

Maldini_Sheva

23-09-2004, 14:54

Personally, I don't see how Milan able to buy Ronaldinho at this point. except if Barca accept a multiple players exchange to reduce his amount. We should had been try to sign him while he's in PSG, Rite now it's rather too late although it isn't impossible. Some of you called Tevez, well he's another great option. I think the best interest in here is if we can get Ronaldinho for some bargain price, I would go for it. If not, say good bye to him.

KaKa|22

23-09-2004, 16:43

Ronaldinho is one of the best players worldwide. I hope Berl. agrees to buy him :)
Yeah, and also Gilardino and Rubinho are great :) But i hope Ronaldinho just doesnt join Chelsea or Real Madrid

mk18

24-09-2004, 04:26

i hope he stays at barca while we get some1 like adriano or ronaldo

KaKa|22

24-09-2004, 08:09

Who? Ronaldo? NO anyone but not Ronaldo please

mk18

24-09-2004, 12:46

ur saying no to the best striker in the world?

KaKa|22

24-09-2004, 12:54

"Every Player has an Era, Ronalos Era have been gone when he joined the so called Los Galacticos"

mk18

24-09-2004, 13:34

thats pure bull****... ur comment is worse than the why not mancini and chivu thread or the pancaro is the worst pickup ever thread!

ronaldo has been great even with real... tell me how is his era gone knowing that he is currently la liga top scorer?

KaKa|22

25-09-2004, 08:59

Loses a Penalty against Espanyol, and even never tried to equalise

Peachtot

25-09-2004, 10:34

Dinho is the best right now.
For Ronnie : NoOoo... :wallbang:
Dinho, kaka n sheva will be the best Triangle Offeense!!! :clap:

mk18

25-09-2004, 12:31

against espanyol name 1 player that performed well for real madrid... a bad start to the season doesnt mean hes past his best... tell me u thought sheva was past his best when he had a bad season (2002-2003)???

its very unfair to blame a striker for not even tring to equalize vs a slid espanyol defence that day when ur not supplied with good chances... if thats the case then sheva is past his best right now.. since he didnt do anything special vs livorno or messina (as i heard)

Maldini_Sheva

27-09-2004, 03:08

Ronaldo, his greatness was gone when he went to Inter. I don't know if he gonna be good again, but I would like either Ronaldinho or Adriano then Ronaldo. Well, he's good again in Spain, but I don't think he'll move to seri A again, where he was named as one of big Inter failures.

KaKa|22

27-09-2004, 07:04

Well, Ronaldo never playes well for clubs, he playes well for Brazil
e.g. Brazils recent match against Bolivia he was great. but he is getting old so why buy him?

Its Ronaldinho and Adriano who are really well.

mk18

27-09-2004, 13:47

e.g. Brazils recent match against Bolivia he was great. but he is getting old so why buy him?

tell me whos getting younger???

and are u okay with stams signature??? are u ok with having maldini here??? same with billy??? their not getting younger so according to what ur saying maybe we should sell them. oh same goes to cafu... what the hell add sheva & co. to the liost theyre all getting older. its not how old he is its how good he is and ronaldos quilities cannot be questioned.

Ronaldo, his greatness was gone when he went to Inter. I don't know if he gonna be good again, but I would like either Ronaldinho or Adriano then Ronaldo. Well, he's good again in Spain, but I don't think he'll move to seri A again, where he was named as one of big Inter failures.

having opperated ur knee twice is not called a failure... especially when u come back and become WC top scorer...

app. goals
1997/98 32 25
1998/99 19 14
99/2000 7 3
2000/01 - - - - - - - -
2001/02 10 7

thats his record at inter... i think it speaks for itself... scoring 25 goals i his first season... dont question him. how is that a failure?

KaKa|22

27-09-2004, 13:51

Maldini, Cafu, Stam, Billy and Sheva & Co. Are doing their All for Milan. They are doing their best and performing really well! Unlike Ronaldo who isnt satisfying anyone but YOU!

mk18

27-09-2004, 15:04

then why do they call them galacticos if none are performing well???

everyone goes thruy a bad patch... and at one point this season our whole squad but cafu were playing like crap... when and if u play football and ur whole team is playing like ****... do u play well??? i dont think so ... esp for strikers... because u dont get supplied with proper chances...

PS: im saying all of this and im not ven a ronaldo fan... infact i hate every team he played for including brazil (except barca)... im not being biased

Maldini_Sheva

28-09-2004, 03:59

Shmikes

28-09-2004, 04:47

why do we want Ronaldo? Wouldnt mind Cristiano Ronaldo, or ronaldinho but why pay a lump sum for him? Persoanlly I think we will buy Gilardino next summer anyway

triniman

28-09-2004, 05:29

cristain ronaldo would never make it in italian league...i think the likes of materazzi and others might destroy him first...

triniman

28-09-2004, 05:31

kris

28-09-2004, 05:56

Maldini, Cafu, Stam, Billy and Sheva & Co. Are doing their All for Milan. They are doing their best and performing really well! Unlike Ronaldo who isnt satisfying anyone but YOU!

you are officially clueless then, I am sorry but it is true. If you say that he isn't satisfying anyone and that he is finished then you know nothing about football or comment on Ronaldo without having seen him play.

He scored 24 goals in la liga last year and 21 the year before. 3 & 6 in the champions league. Hardly the stats of a finished player that do nothing for his club. that he currently does nothing in Real Madrid is not so strange since they suck and have no midfield at all.

mk18

28-09-2004, 07:48

That's ur opinion. people have different opinion than you. that's normal. BTW IMO, only four galaticos that I like it and feel he's the superstar in Madrid, they are: Raul(coz he's the soul and the symbol of Madrid, although he's playing bad recently), Roberto Carlos(he's attacking style still one of the best full back, although he's not that good at defensive end), Samuel(one of many toughness defenders in the world), and last one but not lease is Zidane( one of the best maestro football and one of the best in his position). BTW, can he maintain like Sheva scoring 24 goals a season?? I know Sheva had one offseason(only scoring less than 7 goals in one season), but he's back to the normal, how about Ronaldo?? I think he's more like a coward. Like in 4 seasons in Inter, he just get a blind pay check when he's not playing, en then suddenly move to Madrid. Wat the heck is that, if not a coward??

BTW if you said Inter who force to sold him, don't make me puke man. you can see that our players loyality or may be he can learn from Javier Zanetti, to become a loyal player even the team in the good or bad situation.

PS. Face it, he doesn't have enough legs in seri A. BTW we're talking about the other Ronaldo, de assis morriera not luis nazzario.

so in a way ur saying raul is better than ronaldo??? ... what the hell thats like a sick joke... raul is not only playing bad rtecently ... lets be honest and lets not bring sentiments into this... raul has been doing jackshiot for the last 4 years with real... and the only guy thats been scoring goals for real is ronaldo ever since he joined.

and yes he can score 24 goals like sheva in a season... infact he already did and supassed that... i already posted his stats with inter ... in his first season he scored 25.. more than sheva...

and im not talking about ronaldo as a person im talking about him as a player, i dont care what he did to inter, and infact u should be happy about it... but it wasnt him who wanted to go to real... if real and inter agreed a fee for him then why should he stay??? since inter already planned to sell him!

also.. dont put words in my mouth i didnt say inter were forced to sell him... and about his loyalty he may not be maldini but real have been going thru **** for the last 2 years and hes still there.

the 3rd qoute... if ur talking about reals ronaldo then... i wont face it.. he does have the legs for serieA and he already proved it... even if hes fat he is still one of the fastest players in the world.. still faster than sheva and henry

mk18

28-09-2004, 07:51

galaticos....is it just me or have you all noticed that since this title has been given to madrid that they have quickly declined....it's saying like these that have filled the players heads and thus cause conflict...

as becks said...the players call the shots in madrid...what klind of success can u expect with that ???

i personally dont think theyre galacticos either... but as names in football they are HUGE... but ronaldo ... he really is a galactico... the other names at real that really deserve to be called galacticos are carlos and zidane... and figo in his old days!

kris

28-09-2004, 08:15

but it wasnt him who wanted to go to real... if real and inter agreed a fee for him then why should he stay??? since inter already planned to sell him!

also.. dont put words in my mouth i didnt say inter were forced to sell him... and about his loyalty he may not be maldini but real have been going thru **** for the last 2 years and hes still there.

Inter was not forced to sell him, but that you say that he wanted to stay andthat it was Inter who wanted to sell him is mindboggling. Just read one little newreport from when that happened and you will realise how it was. Ronaldo wanted out from Inter and they really wanted to keep him or do you think the Inter fans are angry at Ronaldo because it was Inter who wanted to sell him? I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, maybe you where in a place where you could get hold of no media at all and just assumed inccorectly?

Stezagud

28-09-2004, 10:59

Ronaldo wanted out from Inter and they really wanted to keep him

yeah, they spent a year working him back to fitness and he left at the first opportunity, not a great example of loyalty :rolleyes:

I know that a lot of players join them and then say "Its impossible to refuse the mighty Real" but it wasnt impossible for Ruud, Sheva or Henry.....

cristain ronaldo would never make it in italian league...i think the likes of materazzi and others might destroy him first...

Materazzi? that chump used to play in England, in fact it was probably training with 'Big Dunc' at Everton that made him the psycho he now is :D

mk18

28-09-2004, 14:14

Inter was not forced to sell him, but that you say that he wanted to stay andthat it was Inter who wanted to sell him is mindboggling. Just read one little newreport from when that happened and you will realise how it was. Ronaldo wanted out from Inter and they really wanted to keep him or do you think the Inter fans are angry at Ronaldo because it was Inter who wanted to sell him? I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, maybe you where in a place where you could get hold of no media at all and just assumed inccorectly?

1) be more polite

2) lets take a look at ambrosini ... he wanted to leave but milan did what it took to keep him.... maybe ur right ... he might not be loyal ... but being loyal is one thing and being the ebst striker in the world is another... i personally dont like ronaldo but as a footballer u have to give hiom his fair share of credit...

I know that a lot of players join them and then say "Its impossible to refuse the mighty Real" but it wasnt impossible for Ruud, Sheva or Henry...

ruud, sheva, henry all play for clubs that are curretnyl much more successful than inter... thats a different issue!

Maldini_Sheva

28-09-2004, 14:43

:D :D :D
You know what stop it, I'm so sick hearing this joke. ok. Let me get you straight ok, he had a 1st impressive season in Inter, so WHAT?? he hasn't done something like SHEVA( Scoring goals consistently every season in Seri A). Well, he's a great footballer, but sorry, he doesn't have enough legs in seri A. so forget it. As if he remember seri A as the best defensive team, so may be he still afraid that his tendon collapse again, if he joined any of seri A club. BTW I think the main point is Ronaldinho is the one we after right?? So why do we have to shift a topic to Ronaldo.

Stezagud

28-09-2004, 16:17

Let me get you straight ok, he had a 1st impressive season in Inter, so WHAT??

49 goals in 68 games in Serie A :eek: he may be occasionally fat, he may be a bit of a mercenary, but his record is undeniable.

mk18

28-09-2004, 16:19

You know what stop it, I'm so sick hearing this joke. ok. Let me get you straight ok, he had a 1st impressive season in Inter, so WHAT?? he hasn't done something like SHEVA( Scoring goals consistently every season in Seri A). Well, he's a great footballer, but sorry, he doesn't have enough legs in seri A. so forget it. As if he remember seri A as the best defensive team, so may be he still afraid that his tendon collapse again, if he joined any of seri A club. BTW I think the main point is Ronaldinho is the one we after right?? So why do we have to shift a topic to Ronaldo.

shift the topic to ronaldo?? ... we are talking about him...

what sikc joke??? he doesnt score consistently?? ... wtf?? u need a defentition of the word injury or something?... please how can he score consistently when hes consistently injured????? yet he still managed to grab some goals. ronaldinho is not who were afer by the way.. galliani just likes him but he knows that barca arent selling him.

Shmikes

28-09-2004, 17:26

Big Dunc now thats a scary dude!! Just your typical scot lol!!

Shmikes

28-09-2004, 17:27

was referring to the comment made bout Materazzi trainig with Dunc BTW

Maldini_Sheva

29-09-2004, 05:58

shift the topic to ronaldo?? ... we are talking about him...

what sikc joke??? he doesnt score consistently?? ... wtf?? u need a defentition of the word injury or something?... please how can he score consistently when hes consistently injured????? yet he still managed to grab some goals. ronaldinho is not who were afer by the way.. galliani just likes him but he knows that barca arent selling him.
Ok then he could do it after the injury right?? so why he moved to Madrid?? ok so do you think that kind of guy won't do the same to Milan?? how do you know?? BTW, I think alot of Seri A defenders know how to mark him. That's why I'm hoping that Kaka will show some new moves, or else he could become the same as Ronaldo.
Galliani will bring Ronaldo?? I don't think today is "April Mop" right?? :rotfl: :rotfl: .
Yet the main topic is Ronaldinho, are you blind?? I think you need a medication for your eyes. I know you guys talking about Ronaldo, but I'm asking "why we need to shift the topic to Ronaldo". :D :D

kris

29-09-2004, 06:58

1) be more polite

2) lets take a look at ambrosini ... he wanted to leave but milan did what it took to keep him.... maybe ur right ... he might not be loyal ... but being loyal is one thing and being the ebst striker in the world is another... i personally dont like ronaldo but as a footballer u have to give hiom his fair share of credit...

1. I was a polite as I could be. when you post something with no connection to reality it could be questioned wether you have some knowledge on the subject.

2. Maybe you have some language problem? What is your point? What have the deal that kept Ambro in Milan have to do with what I said, it more or less only comfirms what I said. it is a difference between their situation tough, Ambro was on the bench, Ronaldo on the stretcher. So while you said it was Inter who wanted Ronaldo out, I said it was Ronaldo who wanted out from Inter. Ronaldo himself stated that he wanted out, most likely because he didn't like Cuper (as that was what he said later).

and you say that he should be given some credit as a footballer? Well I did that just a little before the post you quoted...

mk18

29-09-2004, 13:17

1. I was a polite as I could be. when you post something with no connection to reality it could be questioned wether you have some knowledge on the subject.

2. Maybe you have some language problem? What is your point? What have the deal that kept Ambro in Milan have to do with what I said, it more or less only comfirms what I said. it is a difference between their situation tough, Ambro was on the bench, Ronaldo on the stretcher. So while you said it was Inter who wanted Ronaldo out, I said it was Ronaldo who wanted out from Inter. Ronaldo himself stated that he wanted out, most likely because he didn't like Cuper (as that was what he said later).

and you say that he should be given some credit as a footballer? Well I did that just a little before the post you quoted...

1. lsn man, i dont even hate u... but ur attitude is getting on my nerves.. so im asking u for the last friggin time.. be more polite... its not hard really... and u say i got language problems??? i wonder if u cope socially if thats as polite as u can be.

2. what i eman by the ambro issue is that he wanted out of milan, yet milan did what it took to keep him, maybe that was what inter had to do....

actually it doesnt matter who was behind ronaldos departure... im tlaking about ronaldo as a player... and not a person.. i personally hate him... his big mouth and ego... everything... but milan is a football club and buying the best footballers is necessary.

Maybe you have some language problem?
it is a difference between their situation tough

tough.... :hah2:

mk18

29-09-2004, 13:19

Yet the main topic is Ronaldinho, are you blind?? I think you need a medication for your eyes

u made a mistake... and i made fun of it...
im not blind at all.... maybe ur to dumb to correct ur mistakes.

Maldini_Sheva

29-09-2004, 23:13

u made a mistake... and i made fun of it...
im not blind at all.... maybe ur to dumb to correct ur mistakes.
Mistakes, where?? It seems that you make more mistakes than I do. you can see how many critiques do you have in this post. May be you're too Idiot and Moron to revealed it. :ilol: To say that Ronaldo is the best footballer, I saw much more striker more talented than him, you could see our Sheva, Trezeguet, Henry, even Chelsea's Drogba, and many more would be far more better than him. well I saw many striker more talented than him. even Luis Fabiano could play better than him. I would rather buy anyone else than Ronaldo coz as we know,1st his wages would be a problem for Milan wages structure although he's come for free. 2nd, as we know ronnie transfer fee would be outreach by Milan. 3rd, I think we could find more cheaper and the same or more talented than him. for ex, Gila, Tevez, etc. If we really want to break bank, Ronaldinho would be my top wish list. Ronaldo as I said b4, If he want to go back to Seri A. well be prepared!!! coz Seri A defender is far more nastier than Spanish league. and don't forget you already experiencing both of your tendons colapse in ur first experience, next time you come, may be you can't walk anymore.

PS...This isn't april mop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

XZeRo3003

30-09-2004, 01:36

ronaldo has been great even with real... tell me how is his era gone knowing that he is currently la liga top scorer?

Let me remind you that Real Madrid's current top-scorer this season is David Beckham, with 2 goals. Becks hasn't even started every game, unlike Ronaldo.
Top Goalscorer? ETO'O (BARCELONA THE BEST) and MILOSEVIC

Perhaps this may be the downfall of Ronaldo's Era, but I'll be honest, if it is, it will be a surprise to both me and MK.

You don't need more than one season to prove that you are competitive in a certain league. I think Ronaldo showed that his first season, and he showed that he can rock Serie A. Two factors play into his seemingly "cr@piness," injuries, and Inter. He IS an injury prone striker. He has operated and injured his knee several times. And ladies and Gentlemen, let us not forget that he was playing for Inter. I never liked Cuper, specifically his time with Inter. Please take a look at Ronaldo's plays, goals, and assists for Inter, because you will notice that many of his goals were individual efforts. Ronaldo CREATES a gret amount of his goals. I'd say half or more of his goals, he created with pure Magic. In my opinion, he is (Or WAS?) One of the top 3 strikers in the world.

Now, why Milan would want to buy him? I have no frikkin Idea... :dontkn:

1. We have a much better striker (Sheva of course)
2. Why would we ever want an Injury prone striker?

and lastly but most importantly
actually it doesnt matter who was behind ronaldos departure... im tlaking about ronaldo as a player... and not a person.. i personally hate him... his big mouth and ego... everything... but milan is a football club and buying the best footballers is necessary.

This is SSOOO not true. How could you EVER say this when we're are CLEARLY talking about the two teams who PROVE that this is wrong, Milan and RM

Real Madrid are notrious for buying the worlds best players, but the are crap now. Milan have a well trained and structured team, they limit their summer purchases, and prove that a consistent team gives results over the years. Milan is the perfect example of at team who, IMO, has somewhat average players, but play excelent football as team because of their structure (and because of Carlo)

btw, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say that Milan's players are average, but I have a hard time explaining. I would say half of Milan's players, IMO IMO IMO, do not fall in the top 5, or even top 10 sometimes.

AND NOW BACK TO THE OTHER RONNIE...

Ronaldinho was definitely the best Player in La Liga last year. I beleive he is the best ball-passer in la Liga right now, if not in the world (Second is Kaka). He can split a defense so easily, that's why I beleive that the addition of Giuly and Eto'o to Barca has now created the best offense in the world. He would be such a compliment to Shev...............you know what? I'm a greedy Bastard and I want him at BARCA!!!!!!! :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:

KaKa|22

30-09-2004, 03:21

Ummmm
After Barcelonas match a week ago Ronaldinho said:
Its not my job to score goals, its my job to make them.

I loved this quote

And Ancelotti said:
Totti is better than Ronaldinho

YEEAAAH RIGHT ronaldinho has cool nerves running over which is a pretty good thing unlike Totti.. always with HOT nerves!

Anyways .. I do want both in Milan ;) with adriano

mk18

30-09-2004, 09:40

Let me remind you that Real Madrid's current top-scorer this season is David Beckham, with 2 goals. Becks hasn't even started every game, unlike Ronaldo

well sometimes u need the help of ur team mates to do well... especially ofr a striker how can he score if the rest of the team is playing ****?... where were the supplies???... how the hell can he score if hes not getting any good chances?

besides beckhams goals both came of free kicks... so that doesnt really count.

2. Why would we ever want an Injury prone striker?

injury prone??? ... injury prone is when u rarely feature... ronaldo has been there with real for a long time... injury prone is when u recoer and get injured then recover and get injured... etc... meaning u have weak bones/tendons or something! ill name some injury prone players... coco, montella, scholl.... etc

ronaldo had one very serious injury... just like redondo.. but he managed to find his form.,.. the prince sadly couldnt do that.

This is SSOOO not true. How could you EVER say this when we're are CLEARLY talking about the two teams who PROVE that this is wrong, Milan and RM

Real Madrid are notrious for buying the worlds best players, but the are crap now. Milan have a well trained and structured team, they limit their summer purchases, and prove that a consistent team gives results over the years. Milan is the perfect example of at team who, IMO, has somewhat average players, but play excelent football as team because of their structure (and because of Carlo)

This is SSOOO not true. How could you EVER say this when we're are CLEARLY talking about the two teams who PROVE that this is wrong, Milan and RM

Real Madrid are notrious for buying the worlds best players, but the are crap now. Milan have a well trained and structured team, they limit their summer purchases, and prove that a consistent team gives results over the years. Milan is the perfect example of at team who, IMO, has somewhat average players, but play excelent football as team because of their structure (and because of Carlo)

btw, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say that Milan's players are average, but I have a hard time explaining. I would say half of Milan's players, IMO IMO IMO, do not fall in the top 5, or even top 10 sometimes. [QUOTE]

milan players average??? ... sheva, nesta, maldini, kaka, seedorf, stam, dida, cafu, rui costa, gattuso, pirlo... AVERAGE?!?!?! ... ur talking about legends and future legends... how could they be average??? and these guys are defintaly bought just because they are proven and because they are one of trhe best...

and besides... theres a big difference there.. milana nd real all have big names... but milan have a more balanced team .. real just get offensive players... BIG DIFFERENCE

[QUOTE]I would say half of Milan's players, IMO IMO IMO, do not fall in the top 5, or even top 10 sometimes.

sheva, along with ronaldo easily the best strikers in the world (with adriano i think), maldini, stam, nesta definatly the best 3 CBs maybe add ayala and puyol to them, cafu: legend on the right one of the all time greats on the right, dida: definatly the worlds best GK imo then comes buffon, kaka: the future star, rui costa: 3rd best portuguese player in history and a legend by all means, seedorf: the most naturally talanted player on earth after ronaldinho and ronaldo i belive and won the CL 3 times with 3 different teams... already a legend. pirlo: the best passer in the world, gattuso: on his day the best DM in the world i belive.

mk18

30-09-2004, 09:43

You know what stop it, I'm so sick hearing this joke. ok. Let me get you straight ok, he had a 1st impressive season in Inter, so WHAT?? he hasn't done something like SHEVA( Scoring goals consistently every season in Seri A). Well, he's a great footballer, but sorry, he doesn't have enough legs in seri A. so forget it. As if he remember seri A as the best defensive team, so may be he still afraid that his tendon collapse again, if he joined any of seri A club. BTW I think the main point is Ronaldinho is the one we after right?? So why do we have to shift a topic to Ronaldo.

sorry maldini sheva, i misread ur post i thought the last sentence u said ... so why not change the subject to ronaldo??

but still doesnt change the fact that u were the first to be impolite to me... by calling me blind (i.e clueless) ...

mk18

30-09-2004, 09:48

[QUOTE] To say that Ronaldo is the best footballer, I saw much more striker more talented than him, you could see our Sheva, Trezeguet, Henry, even Chelsea's Drogba, and many more would be far more better than him. well I saw many striker more talented than him. even Luis Fabiano could play better than him. I would rather buy anyone else than Ronaldo coz as we know,1st his wages would be a problem for Milan wages structure although he's come for free. 2nd, as we know ronnie transfer fee would be outreach by Milan. 3rd, I think we could find more cheaper and the same or more talented than him. for ex, Gila, Tevez, etc. If we really want to break bank, Ronaldinho would be my top wish list. Ronaldo as I said b4, If he want to go back to Seri A. well be prepared!!! coz Seri A defender is far more nastier than Spanish league. and don't forget you already experiencing both of your tendons colapse in ur first experience, next time you come, may be you can't walk anymore.

PS...This isn't april mop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [QUOTE]

i already said he and sheva are equally good, trezeguet??? hahahahha... dont make me laugh... he coulda atleast done something to prove ur theory during the euros... same goes to henry... EPL my ass he wont do **** in italy or spain... lets see him score 25 in his first season in italy... and drogba??? yeah make fun of me when i 'discover' him .... and now hes ur new muppet!!
and luis fabiano??... man ronaldo would school him!! and besides im not talking about talent... im talking about whos better overall...a dn ronaldo would take on any of them... and his facts prove it... beides non of the names u mentioned ever won the player of the year even 1ce how is that better?

sheva1234

30-09-2004, 10:52

[QUOTE=mk18][QUOTE] To say that Ronaldo is the best footballer, I saw much more striker more talented than him, you could see our Sheva, Trezeguet, Henry, even Chelsea's Drogba, and many more would be far more better than him. well I saw many striker more talented than him. even Luis Fabiano could play better than him. I would rather buy anyone else than Ronaldo coz as we know,1st his wages would be a problem for Milan wages structure although he's come for free. 2nd, as we know ronnie transfer fee would be outreach by Milan. 3rd, I think we could find more cheaper and the same or more talented than him. for ex, Gila, Tevez, etc. If we really want to break bank, Ronaldinho would be my top wish list. Ronaldo as I said b4, If he want to go back to Seri A. well be prepared!!! coz Seri A defender is far more nastier than Spanish league. and don't forget you already experiencing both of your tendons colapse in ur first experience, next time you come, may be you can't walk anymore.

ronaldo was the best when his day at barcelona with sheva.but at now he is only among the best 10 strikers in the world.
sheva,adriano,henry is better than him.but henry and adriano doesnt score vs big teams.arsenal wins henry plays well.but the moment that arsenal needs him and henry is nowhere.adriano too.he is not a complete striker like sheva.he has a wonderful left foot and he is really strong and maybe the strongest striker in the world.he has no talent like sheva.
sheva is always be our best striker in the history and one of the best players in the history.
we have money.if atletico madrid give us that 23m euros what would we do?
gilardino is only cost 15-17 millions.2 yougster and gilardino would be perfect.
we could sign ronaldinho.in the past they sold ronaldo to inter.this time milan.why not?kaka'sheva and dinho will be perfect.
barcelona is in financial crisis and they spent over 60 million euros and we could steal ronaldinho.if ronaldinho wants milan he will be ours.but kaka' will be better than him.he just need time to grow up.
galliani wants him.ı hope he will be rossonero.but ı have doubt he can play in seria A.

mk18

30-09-2004, 11:12

ronaldinho is better than kaka i think... and havent u heard laporta just said htat barca can afford to sign any player so they dont have to sell ronaldinho... no way i henry better than ronaldo... henry is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo overrated... we ve seen ronaldo score loads of goals in both italy and spain ... imagine how much hed score in england!!... no way is henry better than ronaldo no friggin way... adriano is very complete... in every aspect, hes not even slow hes a bull everything... perfect striker...and got great skills.

XZeRo3003

30-09-2004, 15:38

omg, I don't even want to argue with you, READ before you comment on something

btw, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say that Milan's players are average, but I have a hard time explaining. I would say half of Milan's players, IMO IMO IMO, do not fall in the top 5, or even top 10 sometimes.[QUOTE]

mk18

30-09-2004, 18:40

I would say half of Milan's players, IMO IMO IMO, do not fall in the top 5, or even top 10 sometimes

yes and my reply was based on this specific statement... that milan players DO fall in the top 5 or even top 10 ...

u read before u comment

Giovanni

02-11-2004, 08:20

as i told you some weeks ago,in italy many reliable top amrket experts said Barca has an enormous deficit not quantified in 163 millions €..This means they must sell a player, and another point is they have signed Deco in the same role of Ronaldinho...plus, if you add they will have to strenghten the mid and defence with excellent players, there are the proper reasons to be at least confident..

now, it seems the last rumours are saying i was right, and personally this thesys has been confirmed by Galliani words (which must have consideration of Berlusconi's will): "the only player i would spend an enormous amount of money in the world right now is Ronaldinho". Now if it's not enuff, logic must imply that if he openly speaks to splash moneys, which aren't his property, he must be supported by Berlusconi's approval.

I let you comment these argumentations. IMO, this deal will be done, sooner or later, or at least Ronaldinho will be put on the market.

Henrik

02-11-2004, 09:13

nothing like a speculative channel4.com article to spur on this discussion :)

ilgenio

02-11-2004, 09:51

nothing like a speculative channel4.com article to spur on this discussion :)

Indeed... :delol:

Considering that Rui Costa will be going to Nou Camp as part of the deal, who else better to inherit the coverted Number 10 shirt than Ronnie himself. :smileani:

ilgenio

02-11-2004, 09:53

Here's the article from channel4.com for those who have not seen it. :smileani:

Milan want Ronaldinho Tuesday 2 November, 2004

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Milan are preparing a sensational, even if seemingly unlikely, January swoop for Barcelona ace Ronaldinho.

Rossoneri Vice-president Adriano Galliani is a massive admirer of the Brazilian and the club are keen on his New Year arrival.

The Italian champions have problems in attack this season seeing as only Andriy Shevchenko is delivering the goods.

Jon Dahl Tomasson is not living up to his past performances, while Hernan Crespo and Pippo Inzaghi have been plagued by injuries.

Whispers suggest that Milan could tempt Barca to sell by offering £7m plus Manuel Rui Costa and Massimo Ambrosini.

It has even been claimed that initial talks could take place this evening after the two sides meet in the Champions’ League.

However, the chances of seeing Ronaldinho at the San Siro in January look pretty slim in all honesty.

It seems far more likely that the proposed move could in fact occur at the end of the season instead.

Ronaldinho, 24, joined Barca last season from Paris SG after a spell in his homeland with Gremio.

He’s netted one goal in seven League games this term, while scoring one in three European Cup ties.

Henrik

02-11-2004, 10:48

Well I think it is BS, but would obviously welcome the move. Ronnie is priceless

Jim_UK

02-11-2004, 19:10

I want Ronaldinho. That's all i have to say.

Edit: Actually i have more to say, which i forgot to mention. Gio, you say that Barcelona are in alot of debt, many millions of euros, but surely IF they had to sell Ronaldinho, they would want alot more for him than £7 million plus Ambrosini and Rui-Costa ??? They'd at least want to make what they paid for him 20 something million Euros or pounds ... or whatever it was. But i don't buy this whole "He's untouchable" rubbish, he's only just starting his career there and while i don't doubt he could stay there for a long time, he could go just as easily. Things change quickly in football, there are no definates in this game.

Nata

02-11-2004, 19:27

Who duzn't want Ronaldinho?...The team's been a lil rocky...an Sheva can't do it all...we need someone alse..someone fast and very skillfull..like Ronaldinho...altho I do think that this is bullshiit.

ACMILAN1983

02-11-2004, 21:05

I'm not at all surprised to see this. He would probably be a great addition for us, but isn't a necessity and I don't see Barca giving him up anyway

Nata

02-11-2004, 21:23

True...he's Barca's biggest treasure.

rae

03-11-2004, 08:57

He was the man who gave a reborn to Barca........
[how I wish he became MUFC player.....:depress: ]

Giovanni

03-11-2004, 08:58

rae

03-11-2004, 09:05

OK, then Mister Giovanni, give me 200 mios and I shall buy him for Milan.
It is so simple.

Henrik

03-11-2004, 09:06

Ronaldino is the most talanted player out there, with enormous momentum behind him. Different from Ronaldo, Ronaldino's lowest level of play is still pretty high. But with that rediculous buy-out clause we will never get our hands on him.

Giovanni

03-11-2004, 09:24

OK, then Mister Giovanni, give me 200 mios and I shall buy him for Milan.
It is so simple.

35 + rui costa will be enuff :w221:

rae

03-11-2004, 09:36

First of all I shall never sack Rui. I still wonder what does Ancelotti think keeping such star as Rui is on the bench?!
IMO Dinho is not for sale. Barca needs him more then money.

mk18

03-11-2004, 09:39

what a goal!

Samaldinho

03-11-2004, 10:40

Ultimatley possession is what lost the game, Milan, regardless of whether they were trying to kill off the game or not, should have possessed the ball and passed like Carlo teams do.. Serginho was dismal as was Kaka. No name is midfield, except Gattusso, seemed honestly committed to keeping the ball.. Long balls, stupid clearances, and KK's constant passes into the middle of the park during Barca periods of attack led to Milan's predictablity.

Wingers is not a system used by Carlo, though I think Figo in January would be excellent as would Ronnie because he was showing that he was more then able to play the left hand side. Milan is struggling [relativley] because Kaka is not possessing the ball nor is anyone else, Rino is winning the ball, but no one is using what he wins. The Barca-Milan game is not a good way to analyze a team, nor is a win, draws [deserved ones] are the best because you get to see positives and negatives without the bias of a loss or win..

Midfield possession is key, and Milan has the players to do it, if they want to vary the attack I say Figo in January, and if possible, Ronnie. I would also take Roma's Gaetano D'Agostino whose brilliance on the left is awesome. This is espiecially poignant due to the fact we bought a big tall forward in Crespo, and without wingers [though Cafu and Pancaro/KK do provide crosses] crosses are not exactly used.

Not completely confident in my post, but I hope to add something to the reasoning and perhaps alternatives to such a high profile move if the aforementioned move does not occur. Cheers.

Henrik

03-11-2004, 10:53

35 + rui costa will be enuff :w221:
Only a fool like Moratti would agree to a deal like that. Forget about Ronaldino

ACM

03-11-2004, 11:08

Gattuso will be having nightmares about Ronaldinho for a while as he got destroyed by him. He looked good, is good, but Milan's defensive attitude last night made Ronaldinho look xtra-good.

We had a chance to get him a few years ago, but Galliani wanted him for free. He got sold to PSG and the rest is history.

Forza Milan

Jim_UK

03-11-2004, 14:09

i'm sure everyone is realistic enough to know that this transfer has about a 90% chance of not happening, however it doesn't mean we should just give up on it. If you're many millions of euros in debt, you have to sell something to balance the books. You can't carry on running a business with such a deficit and if it's not to be Ronaldinho, then they must sell some of their other players to make up for it.

But that's if that figure is to be believed. These buyout clauses are always there to scare off other clubs, it doesn't mean they're always 100% true. So lets be realistic, but not negative ... it could happen :D

Giovanni

03-11-2004, 14:55

Henrik, Ronaldinho's price is estimated 45 millions

Henrik

03-11-2004, 14:58

Henrik, Ronaldinho's price is estimated 45 millions
I just don't see Barca selling him for that price, but I hope I am wrong :p286: :gonova:

Giovanni

03-11-2004, 15:12

First of all I shall never sack Rui. I still wonder what does Ancelotti think keeping such star as Rui is on the bench?!
IMO Dinho is not for sale. Barca needs him more then money.
Do you think we can afford to keep a sevral million waged player on the bench for many years? This is a waste of money, not the Ronaldinho signing, a fresh investiment on a young champion which will pay off in some years time

ACMILAN1983

03-11-2004, 16:56

DEv, i don't understand why he isn't necessary? Ronaldinho is one of the few players who would be able to take us to a higher level.Can't you see how much we struggle against closed defences?

imagine when we struggle against Messina or Livorno, then Ronaldinho ridiculises a defender and put Sheva in front of the goal. He make life hard for Nesta and maldini, for every other defender in Italy he would be simply unmarkable.

It's time, as we did signing Kakà, to improve our game, which slowly is becoming PREDICTABLE. We must find new ways, or every closed team will be a threat

Well, I think we have more than enough already to be at the highest level. Ronaldinho would make us better, but I think even without his presence we have more than enough to win every trophy this year, which is how I come to the conclusion he is not a necessity.

As for the predictable play, I don't think that its because our players are falling into any kind of routine that needs a shake up with a new signing. Personally, I would say were still far from our best and urge you to wait till the second half of the season to see what this side will produce (lets not forget its our policy to try and preserve as much energy as we can for the second half of the season to avoid burnout).

The weakness I fear at the moment in the side is the lack of a consistent partner for Sheva, but again its worth waiting and seeing what happends.

Simply put, I agree Ronaldinho is brilliant and would add a spark to the side. However, we already have players who can provide us with more than enough, meaning he isn't needed.

Warro Bantan

04-11-2004, 18:45

IMO, Ronaldinho is the best player on the planet, and the only players I wouldnt sell/trade to get him are: Sheva, Nesta, Kaka, Pirlo and Colo. (Maldini is obviously not included in this list, as he isnt even considered as a possible sale/trade).

But really, no one else, not Rui, whom I rate highly, not Seedorf who is one of my favourite players when he is on form, and certainly not Gatusso, (and so on and so forth) would be exempt from being sold/traded for the bucktooth genius from Brazil!

He would make an immediate impact, and if truth be told, and Barca cant afford his wages, then Berlu, I say bring him right on over, and as long as those 6 untouchables are not sold, I will be as happy as a lark.

Ok, back to reality, the odds for him coming in January are impossible to consider, and over the summer? Who knows, anything is possible in this wonderful world of international football. If Barca's debts are pressing, chances of him arriving are excellent, seeing as how Galliani has been singing his praises recently, worse he went and scored against us...hmmmm how many players have we bought that scored against us in big matches?

mk18

04-11-2004, 18:56

u wont trade coloccini for ronaldinho?!?! ... puh-leez u must be wasted!

Warro Bantan

05-11-2004, 12:28

:r11: :whie: :devs: :devs: :whie: :r11:

Hey nothing wrong with a little mystical essence...but seriously though, Colo to me represents the only young defender that we have, and he is still improving, so why sell him for anyone?

He has the potential to become a great defender, and under the tutelage of Maldini and Billy, he can be excellent.

mk18

05-11-2004, 13:36

thats true, but ... RONALDINHO!!!!!!!!

Edmando

05-11-2004, 16:21

Seriously I don't believe Ronaldinho will be in Milan in January at all. Why would we want someone who can't play in CL in the squad and give away 2 or more players in our squad. Just couldn't work out the reasoning here. He is great, but at least i don't think he's that important to our team, same as Rivaldo. Just leave him along - don't think he's going to anywhere but Barca

mk18

05-11-2004, 19:09

finally some1 who understands me!

ilgenio

05-11-2004, 19:24

hmmmm how many players have we bought that scored against us in big matches?

Christophe Dugarry :eekani:

But we all know how he performed at Milan. :devf:

Peachtot

06-11-2004, 02:31

Only a fool like Moratti would agree to a deal like that. Forget about Ronaldino

35 M + rui = fool
Ha..ha..
that's not expensive, man!! So realistic...
Look zidane's transfer from juve to madrid !!
How much madrid spended their fund?
How old was Zidane that current time ?
About rui, i dont think if milan sell him to others club, it'll produce more than 8 M !(remember, the price tag of kaka from sao paolo was 8 M)
So... that number aint fantastic.
And for Milan (team that spend only few millions for transfer fund in last 3 years) that number isn't reachless !!
To bring Dinho much better than bring Tevez + Tevez (or Gila)
Put Torres or Tevez or Gila in team just accomplish milan's starting eleven!!
Dinho ??? Damn... imagine The Dream Team again !!
He has Sheer Magic !!
Whoaa...

Bayman

07-11-2004, 05:06

We don't need Ronaldinho.
Against a world class central midfield he wouldn't have stood a chance. So that is what we need.

Jim_UK

07-11-2004, 17:32

I think we do need him. He'd be part of the world class midfield we'd be trying to make.

ACMILAN1983

07-11-2004, 20:40

Jim, but Bayman doesn't think Dinho is world class, as he says that is what we need and Dinho isn't.

Bayman

08-11-2004, 04:40

Jim_UK

08-11-2004, 05:46

Ronaldinho would still make room and space for himself and others against the people you mention. The point is he doesn't have to beat 3 people to be a success, he's dangerous enough to have people team up on him freeing up other players. Out of all the midfielders you mention only Nedved is dangerous enough to get a couple of defenders on. The others are good passers yes, but they won't hurt you by beating 2 or 3 at a time ... which Ronaldinho has the capability of.

What happens when Rui calls it a day ? Who do we get then ? Kaka can't do it all by himself and if he gets injured who plays behind the strikers ? Obviously you don't rate Seedorf to do that job otherwise you wouldn't want the world class midfielders you suggest.

So i think Ronaldinho IS what we need, or at least a part of the puzzle.

Peachtot

08-11-2004, 07:18

Of course Dinho is world class.
But such players can be shut down if they play against a pure world class central midfield (world class = Nedved, Emerson, Maniche, Baraja, Stankovic, ....).
Ronaldinho is NOT what we need.
Dinho is world class
And stankovic or baraja or maniche are PURE world class.
Does it means that dinho's level under the pure one ??
BIG NO !! :p231: :p231:
Who the hell stankovic or baraja?
And maniche ? I'm convince that you know his capability clearly just last year or 2 years ago.
Stankovic in derby against milan (0-0) just like a rookie infront kaka.
Kaka played so dominant than stankovic.
I'm embaress to tell this, Kaka so sucks against barca in both clash CL Cup.
And dinho, he burried kaka to the ground!!
Simply, stankovic compare to dinho?
I dont have any reason to choose stankovic even in 1 simple thing.

rae

08-11-2004, 11:28

ok, lads, I have one serious question - do we have such players like Samuel della Bona and Donati?
why dont we pay anttention to them?

Giovanni

08-11-2004, 11:34

Dinho is world class
And stankovic or baraja or maniche are PURE world class.
Does it means that dinho's level under the pure one ??
BIG NO !! :p231: :p231:
Who the hell stankovic or baraja?
And maniche ? I'm convince that you know his capability clearly just last year or 2 years ago.
Stankovic in derby against milan (0-0) just like a rookie infront kaka.
Kaka played so dominant than stankovic.
I'm embaress to tell this, Kaka so sucks against barca in both clash CL Cup.
And dinho, he burried kaka to the ground!!
Simply, stankovic compare to dinho?
I dont have any reason to choose stankovic even in 1 simple thing.
kakà showed what he's able to do, so everyone here knows he's a true great, and he isn't in discussion..he's played badly some matches, but who doesn't?

Giovanni

08-11-2004, 11:35

ok, lads, I have one serious question - do we have such players like Samuel della Bona and Donati?
why dont we pay anttention to them?
because they aren't good enuff and not milan quality..even brocchi is better than both

rae

08-11-2004, 11:38

and Cassano then... he is sacked from ASR we can greb him and make him a grave man...

ACMILAN1983

08-11-2004, 17:13

Cassano needs major work on attitude first.

Peachtot

09-11-2004, 04:12

kakà showed what he's able to do, so everyone here knows he's a true great, and he isn't in discussion..he's played badly some matches, but who doesn't?

Yeah...
Just a simple comparison !!

Jim_UK

09-11-2004, 04:24

Peachtot

09-11-2004, 04:38

So because Kaka had a couple of bad games that means he's a bad player ? If it wasn't for him destroying defences last season we wouldn't have won the Serie A ! Ronaldinho is unique, don't try to compare the two Peachtot ( I know Gio wasn't ) and maybe be a bit more grateful that we have Kaka and no one else has him.

Why not ?
Kaka and dinho have the same position, trequarista.
Both players are brazillian starter behind ronaldo . Kaka and dinho also the important part in milan and barca posession.
Though theres pirlo or seedorf in milan's midfield or deco / xavi in barca's midfield, all people know both playes are the main actor.
Both players also have brilliant talent and skill.
So, once again, Why not ??

ACMILAN1983

09-11-2004, 08:20

Why not ?
Kaka and dinho have the same position, trequarista.
Both players are brazillian starter behind ronaldo . Kaka and dinho also the important part in milan and barca posession.
Though theres pirlo or seedorf in milan's midfield or deco / xavi in barca's midfield, all people know both playes are the main actor.
Both players also have brilliant talent and skill.
So, once again, Why not ??

I don't agree, the "main" midfielder in the Milan side is Pirlo and has been for the past two seasons.

Giovanni

09-11-2004, 08:31

Ronaldinho is a dream, and if he will ever be on the market, we'll sign him for sure.the main point is here: will he ever be put on the market?

housin7

09-11-2004, 10:50

Especially for Gio and Peachtot:

http://home.deds.nl/~jeroenv/ronaldinho.gif

Giovanni

09-11-2004, 11:08

Especially for Gio and Peachtot:

http://home.deds.nl/~jeroenv/ronaldinho.gif
thanks, very appreciated :happy:

Dil dil

29-11-2004, 15:41

Barcelona ace Ronaldinho has fuelled speculation that he could be set for a future move to Milan.

The Brazilian is known to have real admirers at the San Siro and he’s admitted that the Italian side attract him.

"I like Milan because there are many of my friends there like Dida, Cafu, Kaka and Serginho," he’s quoted by the ‘Controcampo’ newspaper as saying.

But would Ronaldino fit in with the Rossoneri, given that the Scudetto holders already have Kaka on their books?

"It isn’t true to say that Kaka and myself can’t co-exist," stated the international, who added that he’s happy with life at the Nou Camp.

"We play together for Brazil where we have shown that we can be fielded simultaneously without any problems."

Meanwhile, former Milan boss Arrigo Sacchi is today being linked with a sensational – if unlikely – move to Spain.

The Parma official is apparently a contender to be appointed as the next boss of European giants Real Madrid.

President Florentino Perez is understood to have the name of the former Italian national tactician on his shortlist to succeed Garcia Remon.

Henrik

29-11-2004, 15:42

May I ask someone to merge this with the Ronaldino thread?

Reza

29-11-2004, 16:03

Merged
Dil Dil please search for relevant threads before posting

Jeff

29-11-2004, 19:00

Of course Dinho is world class.
But such players can be shut down if they play against a pure world class central midfield (world class = Nedved, Emerson, Maniche, Baraja, Stankovic, ....).
Ronaldinho is NOT what we need.

This is a really funny statement. Kaka` can be shut down if he plays against a pure eworld class central midfield too then...

And Maradona

And Pele...

And Totti

And whoever....

and how about Nedved against this "PURE" wrold class?

ACMILAN1983

29-11-2004, 19:32

This is a really funny statement. Kaka` can be shut down if he plays against a pure eworld class central midfield too then...

And Maradona

And Pele...

And Totti

And whoever....

and how about Nedved against this "PURE" wrold class?

Bayman must love you by now :D :D

Bayman

30-11-2004, 04:48

Giovanni

30-11-2004, 06:06

All what you say is true.
But why don't we buy a PURE world class central midfield then instead of Ronaldinho?
because nobody wants to give a world class central def away
plus we already bought a world class def this summer..JAAP STAM

Bayman

30-11-2004, 06:42

I said world class central midfield, not central defense.
We are fine in defense.

Giovanni

30-11-2004, 07:57

I said world class central midfield, not central defense.
We are fine in defense.
let me check

we have

PIRLO
SEEDORF
GATTUSO
AMBROSINI
DHORASOO
RUI COSTA
BROCCHI
SERGINHO

we are going to sign SOLARI in place of ageing Sergio and maybe a good right winger such as MESTO

Maybe we don't need a mid now, but we must take a look for the future..Still think Maniche is an excellent player..but i don't see us signing any mid till june at least, if not in 2 seasons time

Warro Bantan

30-11-2004, 10:46

we are going to sign SOLARI in place of ageing Sergio and maybe a good right winger such as MESTO

We are really goin to buy Solari? :1ole:Thats the best news I have heard since I heard we were buying :diablo: Kaka. :diablo:

Tell me I am not dreaming Gio....PLEEEEEEEASE! I hope what u have said is gospel :w221: !!!

Bayman

30-11-2004, 11:18

let me check

we have

PIRLO
SEEDORF
GATTUSO
AMBROSINI
DHORASOO
RUI COSTA
BROCCHI
SERGINHO

we are going to sign SOLARI in place of ageing Sergio and maybe a good right winger such as MESTO

Maybe we don't need a mid now, but we must take a look for the future..Still think Maniche is an excellent player..but i don't see us signing any mid till june at least, if not in 2 seasons time

Of those players I see Serginho, Rui Costa and maybe Ambrosini leaving in June. So we should go for 2-3 new midfielders....and world class ones plz.
1.Solari
2.Maniche, if not possible Albelda from Valenica would be fine too.
3.Mesto is more a Cafu sub/successor than a midfielder.

I'd just once like to see how a complete "ex-PrimeraDivision" central midfield embedded in the typical Milan high quality "rest of the team" would perform:
Dida
Cafu Nesta Stam Pancaro
Seedorf Albelda Solari
Kaka
Shevchenko Crespo

Giovanni

30-11-2004, 12:04

We are really goin to buy Solari? :1ole:Thats the best news I have heard since I heard we were buying :diablo: Kaka. :diablo:

Tell me I am not dreaming Gio....PLEEEEEEEASE! I hope what u have said is gospel :w221: !!!
:D

well the point is his contract with madrid..it's not that easy but he's the man recognised to play in serginho's place if he becomes a free agent

the interest is sure, we have to see if he will accept a minor role in madrid with a lowered wage..perez has offered hima contract, if someone wants him must offer him a better one

Giovanni

30-11-2004, 12:06

Of those players I see Serginho, Rui Costa and maybe Ambrosini leaving in June. So we should go for 2-3 new midfielders....and world class ones plz.
1.Solari
2.Maniche, if not possible Albelda from Valenica would be fine too.
3.Mesto is more a Cafu sub/successor than a midfielder.

I'd just once like to see how a complete "ex-PrimeraDivision" central midfield embedded in the typical Milan high quality "rest of the team" would perform:
Dida
Cafu Nesta Stam Pancaro
Seedorf Albelda Solari
Kaka
Shevchenko Crespo

there's just one thing is think is wrong: Mesto is more a winger, actually where he's always been used in Italian NT..maybe he's good enough to adapt playing in a defensive role, but i've always seen him playing as a winger and he was always excellent..

all the other wingers are overpriced compared to the use we would do of him..

***ANYWAY WE ARE OFF TOPIC!!!!****

Giovanni

30-11-2004, 12:24

check this thread before posting

>>>>>>>> http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17501 <<<<<<

Jeff

30-11-2004, 15:09

All what you say is true.
But why don't we buy a PURE world class central midfield then instead of Ronaldinho?

IF footbaqll is such a simple matter as in acquiring these 'PURE' world class player, then do you think Berlusconi or Moratti (oh maybe) or Moggi or ANY OTHER PRESIDENT or VICE PRESIDENT or SCOUT or COACHES won't know about this?

Why don't Berlusconi spend so much on Nedved then? Since he is PURE world class?

1) He doesn't have the money.

Answer: Crap.

2) He doesn't want Nedved.

Answer: Who wouldn't want him?

3) He can't.

Answer: YES! HE CAN"T! BELIEVE IT! Wec an't buy Nedved just like Chelsea can't buy Shevchenko! That's why I say be realistic. THis is NOT CM. it's not like you have 60M and you can give him a goddamn contract to get him here. If You don't give away your shevchenko away, why the he$$ do you think people will give player to you?

ANd so, why the he$$ would you (not bayman) believe that Ronaldinho would come?

Now coming back to this, I guess the answer is clear. At the same time, we should not be quick to put the blame on some individual players to write them off, simply because they are not PURE class.

Remember. The team makes the PURE class, not the player.

Hypothetical situation: If Nedved is in Hong Kong playing lousy league, do you think he will be considered a PURE world class?

Players up to that level of Milan, Juve, Inter etc all have certain class. It's up to the tactician, the management to bring the "PURE" in themselves.

That is, if you insist on the word 'pure'.

Peachtot

02-12-2004, 08:03

I don't agree, the "main" midfielder in the Milan side is Pirlo and has been for the past two seasons.
Pirlo playing as a defensive midfielder in milan scheme.

Like it or not, having enough defence capacity or not, that's the fact bout

pirlo's position in Milan : as a connector between the defender and midfielder

(nowadays he's position called as 'deep maker').

Always infront the two centre backs (maldini & sheva).

That makes pirlo decrease his agressivity and become more static. Look, all

the game he often gave long pass from backyard or midfield for counter

attack.

And Kaka? Carlo's strategy give him more chance to play around. The free

role!!More time to playing ball on his feet and take a chance for through

pass. Less risk if he fail then becomes turnover to the opposite.The

trequarista job!! That makes Kaka being the actor of team.

If Pirlo the deep maker then Kaka become the playmaker

But, Pirlo had big contribution too for Milan's posessions so far.

However, Football is a team that supported by 11 players in field not a man

contribution even the playmaker one.

Peachtot

02-12-2004, 08:29

Remember. The team makes the PURE class, not the player.
WoW...
I like to argue this statement.
If ur statement above is true, that makes a player so impossible to uprise a mediocre team becomes the best team(a winner).
Check out in italian serie A latest of 80's.
What the magic a Football's God did in Napoli?
Napoli only bought him and Maradona pay back cash with scudetto for the north italian club.Maradona out then Napoli out from Serie A favourite winner.
in Serie B right now, i suppose !

The other term :

ManU bought Cantona from Leeds (give UEFA's Cup) !!
Then...ManU became the giant again in EPL after Liverpool Superioty in 80's!!
(true there's 92's boys, but cantona was the man)

So...all i want to say bout ur statement is "That's Not Absurd, fella !!"

Giovanni

27-01-2005, 05:50

There are consistent rumours about a possible departure of Ronaldinho at the end of the season linked with Rosell situation and linked to the fact he would follow him.

Barca's financial situation is not very clear , but this Rosell affaire takes us over the financial situation: if the player wants to move then the club can't help it.

It's not a mystery we would make ANYTHING to sign such a player, and i'm totally sure we can afford it, because Berlusconi owns media and other important companies and he would use the advertisements and the financial help of many companies to support and sponsor a signing that would benefit all these companies as well, as a return of image.

Berlusconi owns Fininvest which is the company that supports the major signing as far as i know, and if there's the chance to sign Ronaldinho be sure we will and can afford to.

It's some days i heard, not openly, that it seems pieces are moving, but all is still undergroud. Corriere dello Sport is writing every day some news.
The deal is POSSIBLE. The society is wacthing the situation from above and just observing.

More updates soon

Giovanni

27-01-2005, 06:10

http://www.tgcom.it/sport/articoli/articolo240333.shtml

http://www.goalcity.com/livello2.jsp?livello=2&tipo_notizia=504&id_not=195768&id_not_lingua=183227&controllo=1

Bayman

27-01-2005, 06:24

PirloDaBest

27-01-2005, 06:35

Anyway, I just read an article on channel4.com:

Milan are apparently preparing a bid for Ronaldinho!!! 35 million Euros + Tomasson and Coloccini. That is way too much man!! What do you think??? I know its only rumours but still... I think Ronaldinho is excellent but that deal is better for them that us. That is way too much for a player. I would pay 20-25 million euros plus them two players at the most!!!

Also it states, that is this was to happen Milan would have to forget about Crespo.

Giovanni

27-01-2005, 06:48

Firstly, i would forget about anyone among the strikers, except Sheva, Kakà and Pippo if Ronaldinho comes to Milan

secondly i think those price is fair for the future best player in the world at 25 y o. He has still 10 years of pure magic!!!!

Plus, we can cope it with season tickets (imagine the boom) and advertisements, tv rights and jerseys.

Giovanni

27-01-2005, 06:53

But all these rumours originate from Corriere dello Sport....not the most reliable source tbh.
And I don't want Milan to pay too much money. 50m€ is the absolute upper limit. Anything in excess and we can buy 3 world clas players for that amount.
you don't consider that ronaldinho is one of the few players who would make us improve dramatically

imagine , with closed defences, ronaldinho making the fool out of some defenders and tearing them apart. :nasty:

3 world class? do we need three world class? where do you field them? on the bench or on the terraces? we have no room for 3 world class so we just need to invest on few champions of supreme quality

shevchenko , with ronaldinho and kakà behind, can score 35 goals in serie a, not joking!

Bayman

27-01-2005, 06:54

Giovanni

27-01-2005, 06:56

Sure R10 brings also some money in.
But Juan Roman Riquelme has been a much better and effective player this year in Primera Division + he looks more suited to Serie A to me.
He'd arrive on a cut price as he is on quite a high wage + we could add further players.
Riquelme? I don't think, if ANY italian club have ever bid for him, that he's reckoned Serie A quality.

I'm not saying he's not quality but maybe his skills doesn't suit for Serie A. I don't know him well, so i admit my ignorance and can just say this

Bayman

27-01-2005, 06:57

And what kind of formatio do you expect Milan to play?
Pippo
R10 kaka Sheva
Seedorf Gattuso
Jankulovski Maldini Nesta Cafu
Dida

And even that is a tat too offensive for me.

Bayman

27-01-2005, 07:00

3 world class? do we need three world class? where do you field them? on the bench or on the terraces? we have no room for 3 world class so we just need to invest on few champions of supreme quality

Not now.
But in 2 years when Billy, Maldini and Stam stop playing I'd prefer having 60m € available to simply buy the best younger defenders that are available.

Giovanni

27-01-2005, 07:18

Maldini said that the best young defenders around are not Milan quality or not on the market.

I'd play:

------------DIDA

CAFU--NESTA--STAM/MALDINI--JANKULOVSKI

-----------PIRLO

GATTUSO----------SEEDORF

----------KAKA'
---------------RONALDINHO
---SHEVCHENKO

Giovanni

27-01-2005, 07:22

Not now.
But in 2 years when Billy, Maldini and Stam stop playing I'd prefer having 60m € available to simply buy the best younger defenders that are available.
I can't understand why you worry that much about moneys!!!!!!!

We make 60000 season tickets per year, we have tv rights sponsors and Berlusconi is as rich as Abramovich!!!!!!!

It's beyond me why some of you are scared about moneys.

It's some years, even after the CL (50 MLN won) that we make good transfers but spending truly few moneys!!!
It's beyond me, really.

Bayman

27-01-2005, 08:28

I can't understand why you worry that much about moneys!!!!!!!

We make 60000 season tickets per year, we have tv rights sponsors and Berlusconi is as rich as Abramovich!!!!!!!

It's beyond me why some of you are scared about moneys.

It's some years, even after the CL (50 MLN won) that we make good transfers but spending truly few moneys!!!
It's beyond me, really.

First we have a wage bill of 160m€ to start with.

SKY TV+terestrial rights account for 70-80m
Season ticket sales + normal tickets only account for roughly 40m€
add another 60-80m from all kinds of sponsorship+ CL and you have an income of around 180-200m€.

Now wages alone take a huge part and there are other costs (stadium fee, pitch maintenance...).
http://www.juventus.com/uk/societa/detailDocument.aspx?lml_language_id=0&trs_id=1406000
Juve's financial reports give a good basic idea, we have more stadium income, less TV, same sponsorship but a higher wage bill (160m).

Juve 03/04 had following income:

ticket sales 17m
TV+CL 110m
sponsorship 57m
others 26m
=208m revenue.

-wages bill 117m
-other expenses 50m
-depreciation and amortisation (which is the transfer fees, only over longer period of time) 65m

= 20m€ loss

Ours is probably worse as we have to depreciate the huge fees of Inzaghi, Rui Costa amongst others.

Maltese Charlie

27-01-2005, 08:52

First we have a wage bill of 160m€ to start with.

SKY TV+terestrial rights account for 70-80m
Season ticket sales + normal tickets only account for roughly 40m€
add another 60-80m from all kinds of sponsorship+ CL and you have an income of around 180-200m€.

Now wages alone take a huge part and there are other costs (stadium fee, pitch maintenance...).
http://www.juventus.com/uk/societa/detailDocument.aspx?lml_language_id=0&trs_id=1406000
Juve's financial reports give a good basic idea, we have more stadium income, less TV, same sponsorship but a higher wage bill (160m).

You are forgeting Berlusconi's pocket.

Berlusconi looks at Milan as his hobby, and not as a company to make profit.

That is why he never agreed that Milan will be quoted in the Stock Market.

Every year he has to put his hand in his pocket to break even the accounts.

If Rolaldinho or another great player is for sale and his service will make a big positive difference in the team, Milan will get him.

During the Berlusconi's era, money had never been a problem, so why should be now?

And do not compare Juventus with Milan as they are running on different basis.

ACM

27-01-2005, 10:32

Milan would like Adriano or Totti or Ronaldo or Ronaldinho etc etc....

Thus, Milan have good taste.......

But this supposed iminent Ronaldinho signing is utter Bullcrap!

The Max Milan will pay for any 'guru' is 35 million, and that includes players.

The above mentioned players are worth more than that, as their respective presidents will tell you.

Forza Milan

Giovanni

27-01-2005, 10:37

spot on charlie, and let me say that (but this is not openly stated) Berlusconi has many interests in positive /winning image even from a political point of view.

Feeding Milan successes has an impact even on his political image.
MInd: if Ronaldinho is on the market, he will be ours, can bet everything on this.

Peachtot

27-01-2005, 10:41

I dont think 35 millions pound is too expensive for dinho.
But i dont believe he join with milanfor the next three years.
I like aimar or riquelme....
Big possibility for rui place...

Giovanni

27-01-2005, 10:54

guys have faith, pieces are moving and i 've had the chance to understand from close to the society men that the interest is high on this situation, and Galliani has stated plenty of times that Ronaldinho is the only player he (and Berlusconi) would make a foolish bid for.

Warro Bantan

27-01-2005, 11:06

I would also give my life savings if it would help! :D :D :D

Giovanni

27-01-2005, 11:14

I would also give my life savings if it would help! :D :D :D
:haha:

WARREN in Curva Sud, the smelly area waits for your vegetables LMAO!!!!!

;)

Peachtot

27-01-2005, 11:14

Oh man...life savings...?
really have it..??
he..he..

Christopher

27-01-2005, 11:37

Kaka and Ronaldinho compliment each other very well their styles would impecable esp. with Sheva up front, pure terror for other teams defences. Brazil just keep producing waves and waves of talent

BaggioForever

28-01-2005, 02:20

without players, there would be no money. With Dinho, the money will keep rolling in!! :D

Sheva7_Evo

28-01-2005, 02:52

ronaldinho to Milan!?

thats gotta be a joke right. comeon...this is Barca, not Inter
but even then!?

Leo

28-01-2005, 02:57

Ok, from now on, whoever mentions anything about money, I will smack him. I don't care if with that money we guy 10 other players, THIS IS RONALDINHO!

1- Milan doesn't care about money..

2- Milan cares about class and reputation, Ronaldinho is definately one.

3- 99.9% of Milan fans want Ronaldinho in their team more than any other player, no one can deny it, it is like a dream come true. You can say that we don't need him, but he is the best choice out there, and we can afford him, so we take it. Accept the fact that we are self interested profit maximizers.

4- Football is only about entertainment, so let the wizard dance some samba.

-FS

Warro Bantan

28-01-2005, 11:13

According to www.channel4.com:

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jan27d.html

Milan are reportedly planning a £40m swoop to sign Barcelona sensation Ronaldinho in the summer.

The Brazilian is a known favourite of Vice-president Adriano Galliani and the Italian champions are pondering an offer.

Stories circulating in Italy on Thursday claim that the San Siro club are ready to offer £25m, plus the services of Jon Dahl Tomasson and Fabricio Coloccini.

The Danish forward, valued at around £10m, has been linked with the Nou Camp outfit for some time.

Meanwhile, young centre-back Coloccini rarely features for Milan but has proved himself in Spain during loan spells at Atletico Madrid and Villarreal.

However, Milan could also be forced to make another sacrifice if they attempt to sign the South American.

Whispers claim that Ronaldinho’s proposed arrival could force the Rossoneri to forget about keeping Hernan Crespo.

The Argentine striker, currently on loan from Premiership giants Chelsea, wants a permanent move in the summer.

Milan may also face some stiff opposition for the attacking talent given that Inter, Man Utd, Chelsea and Real Madrid would also be keen if he was made available for transfer.

So if they say so it must be true!!!! :rolleyes:....yeah right...

But it is intresting that media speculation is growing...

This does bring up an intresting point...do we let Crespo go, to get Ronaldhino? If Gilardino is indeed coming, then Crespo may prove one striker too many...hmmmm intresting point to ponder.... :dazed:

ACMILAN1983

28-01-2005, 13:59

I wouldn't mind Ronnie to Milan, but I need more substantial evidence before raising my hopes

Jim_UK

28-01-2005, 15:42

expect the next piece of news to be lots of denials about these rumours

Braida, Galliani, etc .. will all say "I don't know where these rumours have come from, they are completely false. Yes he's a great player but we can't afford him" ... yada yada yada :D

Franco6

28-01-2005, 16:17

Galliani says we cannot afford him, ............ we will see.

If the thing that Ronaldinho is a friend of Barca's vice president is true maybe the dream may come true.

jani

28-01-2005, 23:44

I dont think Ronaldinho would leave just because of that..

He is basically worshiped like crazy at the Nou Camp and if he is sold, I can imagine the riots etc.

But when you think about it again, Barca did the same with Ronaldo and Rivaldo, who coincidently, came to the city of Milan (Inter, AC) after playing at Barca :cool: :D

Also remember at that time, Ronaldo was in the same position as Ronaldinho.

He was THE best player in the world.

I hope Im not getting optimistic for nothing :horny:

Steff

07-02-2005, 11:12

i think you are! at least for the next 2 or 3 years, he is staying there!

rae

08-02-2005, 05:40

we better look for new Dinho Gaucho.... IMHO the best way to recoup his scarcity is to find another talent and make him so praised like Dinho is now...

Henrik

08-02-2005, 08:43

we better look for new Dinho Gaucho.... IMHO the best way to recoup his scarcity is to find another talent and make him so praised like Dinho is now...
Yes, talants like Dinho are easy to find :rolleyes:

rae

08-02-2005, 09:06

well but when Dinho was quite cheap... playing for PSG Milan didn ot pay his much attention... the same thing repeats once more wit some other players...:rollani:

Henrik

08-02-2005, 09:18

well but when Dinho was quite cheap... playing for PSG Milan didn ot pay his much attention... the same thing repeats once more wit some other players...:rollani:
The only other comparable player in the world is IMO Kaka, and we did get him

rae

08-02-2005, 09:23

I mean not the one we have but those we havent...;)

Henrik

08-02-2005, 09:37

My point is that when Barca splashed out 30 million + for Ronaldinho, Milan bought Kaka for less than 10. Milan has a history of paying well for talent (not all have succeded though), and is closely connected with a purchase of Gilardino. I just don't know what else Milan management can do to make you happy.

Kui

08-02-2005, 09:47

I dont think you're allowed to draft things from a zoo into a team. I dont think they allow pets into the San Siro either. Maybe guide dogs for the vision impaired but no farm or zoo animals please.

Kui

08-02-2005, 09:58

He's over rated people. Cause he shares a similar name to someone doesnt make him to be like that someone else. Henriks right. For that price? Screw that!
Ronaldinho. Hmmm lets break it down.
Ronald- Ronaldo
inho- little one or junior.
I dont like Ronaldo so why the hell would we get a little one?
I'm being sarcastic guys, but really we got Kaka who is younger and in my opinion has a brighter future than a soon to be "has been".

Peachtot

11-02-2005, 01:01

I like all the threads bout Dinho, seems like it last forever :devf:

Sorry for you Kui..
I totally dont agree with you...
You said he's over rated...
Wooow... is it true? :dontkn:

Then you said kaka will be better in the year to come than dinho..
just an expectation or prediction... :d55:

Let's hope there's another match against barca in CL, so you can judge who is better between those two brazillians...
And I bet for The barca's no.10 and Milan for the winners
how can it possible??? :diablo:

Smoje

11-02-2005, 04:49

Answer this question, Milan needs Ronaldinho? I think NO

Milan needs Gilardino? I think YES

Kui

11-02-2005, 05:26

First of all. Too bad we dont agree on this issue. Secondly I did not say Kaka will be better than Ronaldinho in the YEAR to come.
My expectation cause it only takes eyes to see it Peaches is that Kaka will have a brighter future in Milan and Milan will have a brighter future with Kaka playing here than some "dream" signing, that unless everyone's smokes crack, isnt gonna happen.
How in the world can you pull that kinda of logic Peaches? You hope if Milan plays Barca again that INHO does better than Kaka and oohohoohhoh Milan still wins? Thats like asking me to eat a p!g and hoping I sh!t out some cooked bacon here for ya. How bout I counter your prediction and say Kaka is way better for Milan than Ronaldinho will ever because him signing for us aint gonna happen AND if they play again the so call world player of the year is gonna be embarrassed and Milan's gonna win with Kaka as player of the match. I like that prediction better than yours. No conflict of interest.

FORZA MILAN!

rae

11-02-2005, 08:19

Answer this question, Milan needs Ronaldinho? I think NO
Tell it Gio ;) :D

Franco6

11-02-2005, 11:59

Ronaldinho is a world class player never say no to world class players.

If we want to enter in details of wether Ronaldinho is needed or not, also Girlardino is not that needed considering we have Sheva, Pippo, Crespo and JTD. But I want them all!!!

Henrik

11-02-2005, 13:28

I just don't know how Ronaldino would fit into the milan system. 4-3-2-1? What would that do to Pirlos position?

I also question how we are going to fit Gilardino into the team without loosing at least one of Pippo, Crespo and JDT.

jani

11-02-2005, 13:46

We will lose one of them then.

And Ronaldinho can play a second forward anytime. This would give Sheva even more oppurtunities to score.

Btw, what does Pirlo have to do with any 4-3-2-1 formation? That was the formation he was 'created' for in the first place.

Henrik

11-02-2005, 13:54

']Btw, what does Pirlo have to do with any 4-3-2-1 formation? That was the formation he was 'created' for in the first place.
I just think it is questionable to play with 3 playmakers on the pitch at the same time. I take your point about Ronaldino being able to play as secunda punta (something I believe Kaka could do as well).

Not that it would ever happen, but what about:
----Sheva
Kaka-Pirlo-Ronaldino
--Ambro-Gattuso

martin

12-02-2005, 00:06

I just think it is questionable to play with 3 playmakers on the pitch at the same time. I take your point about Ronaldino being able to play as secunda punta (something I believe Kaka could do as well).

Not that it would ever happen, but what about:
----Sheva
Kaka-Pirlo-Ronaldino
--Ambro-Gattuso
i like that idea alot but wut will happen to crespo, gilardino, inzaghi, tomasson???

Peachtot

12-02-2005, 00:52

How in the world can you pull that kinda of logic Peaches? You hope if Milan plays Barca again that INHO does better than Kaka and oohohoohhoh Milan still wins?
Yeah...as you know Milan has another player that held as european football of the year. Kaka ain't the main actor. There are former italian captain, brazillian captain nowadays and a guy that some journalists said as the best defender worldwide today.

AND if they play again the so call world player of the year is gonna be embarrassed and Milan's gonna win with Kaka as player of the match. I like that prediction better than yours.
First...let's hope both teams meet on next stage in CL'Cup.
Make it sure you remember my id user. Maybe we could make a bet :cheers:
I'll bet that Dinho will bury down Kaka, but player of the match goes to another milan players (as the winning team) :star:

No conflict of interest.
So do I... Let the fans judge and hail the best player fairly...
Not because i'm a milan fan... :2dri:

Kui

12-02-2005, 05:15

Perhaps we're both smoking something other than tobacco. Maybe a little too much Maui WOwwie as we say in Hawaii. I just hope Milan goes all the way. My dreamm final is to see them play Reak Madrid, but I dont know how the match drawing is gonna work out so we shall see. Cheers P-tot.

FORZA MILAN!

Henrik

12-02-2005, 05:53

i like that idea alot but wut will happen to crespo, gilardino, inzaghi, tomasson???
Crespo and Gilardino are not per definition Milan players next year. Inzaghi would be Shevas back-up and JDT, who has played in that role before, would be a back-up attacking midfielder together with Serginho.
(this should really be in the fantasy thread :))

Peachtot

15-02-2005, 02:40

My dreamm final is to see them play Reak Madrid, but I dont know how the match drawing is gonna work out so we shall see.
I'd like Milan face barca in final

Cheers P-tot.
FORZA MILAN!
:hug:
:rone:

Kui

15-02-2005, 07:38

Is that realistic as far as the drawing would be concerned? I forget the rule but I think you are correct. Being that they were in the same match group as we were the next time we would realistically see them again is the final. Am I right? Let me know cause I'm not really 100% on the basis I gave.

mk18

15-02-2005, 09:58

i think we could face each other in the semis as well.. actually i think the next round is gonna be a draw so u dont know who well face! i hope its not barca though, id rather have us face a team i hate... maybe the best and most realistic choice would be liverpool

Gipson

16-02-2005, 06:32

shevaandkaka'

16-02-2005, 12:13

Ronaldinho:
"I would happily go to Milan, a side with many great players," he stated after last night’s tsunami benefit match. "But for now, I’m a Barca player."

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/feb16d.html
ronaldinho played better last night.he was incredible.kaka' and ronaldinho partnership was wonderful.eto was so selfish and kaka' assisted 2 goals.etos first and ronaldinhos.
he passed 2 players and montero fouled on him and collina didnt give a penalty.
ronaldinho was magical but versus deisler and montero.ı can accept he has a better tecnqiue but kaka' is a better player

Franco6

16-02-2005, 12:15

Today Galliani said that Ronaldinho is my dream but its going to remain a dream, while about Gilardino he said 'maybe'. IMO the maybe means we may get him.

Henrik

16-02-2005, 12:41

Today Galliani said that Ronaldinho is my dream but its going to remain a dream, while about Gilardino he said 'maybe'. IMO the maybe means we may get him.
With all due respect to Galliani, I believe what he does, but not what he says ;)

This does't change the fact that I think Gila will be joining us and Ronny not.

ilgenio

16-02-2005, 12:48

shevaandkaka'

16-02-2005, 14:00

Ronnie will be welcomed with open arms :stuckup:
In :devil: HIM :devil: we trust :stuckup: Be prepared to see the holy trinity of Sheva, Ronnie & Ricky in the Red & Black sooner rather than later :stuckup:
galliani should quit from milan.he cant say that ronaldinho and cassano and totti are dreams for us.we will get who we want.we know our milan like that Milan: Ronaldinho just a dream Wednesday 16 February, 2005

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Milan Vice-president Adriano Galliani insists they have no chance of signing Barcelona ace Ronaldinho.

The Rossoneri were heavily linked with the player this morning after the Brazilian admitted he was attracted by the Italian giants.

But Galliani, while conceding that he rates the player highly, has dismissed talk of a summer swoop.

"I really like Ronaldinho and he is well aware of that fact," Galliani told the Radio Italia Network.

"But there are a host of players who have and will remain ‘dreams’ for us and Ronaldinho is one of these.

"He is simply not available for transfer as Barcelona consider him as untouchable."

Galliani also denied talk of any bids for the Roma pair of Francesco Totti and Antonio Cassano, but did leave the door open for Alberto Gilardino.

"Totti and Cassano? It’s the same story as Ronaldinho but who knows what will happen with Gilardino? We’ll have to just wait," he noted.

The Parma striker, scorer of 23 League goals last season, is expected to sign for the reigning champions at the end of this term.

That has led doubts over the future of Pippo Inzaghi but Galliani maintains the latter will remain. "You don’t sell players like Inzaghi," he concluded.

Snapster

16-02-2005, 14:15

shevaandkaka'

16-02-2005, 14:31

"I would happily go to Milan, a side with many great players," he stated after last night’s tsunami benefit match. "But for now, I’m a Barca player."
but galliani doesnt want.
you dont have money ok.we must respect but you cant say that ronaldinho is just a dream for us.we have kaka' ı believe in him ricky and he will be better than ronnie.ı trust in tognaccini and ciascini.they will make ricky best player.but we must wait for summer.
we signed gilardino and jankulovski for sure.we will signone of baranio,pizzaro and xavi.xavi is imposibble for us.ı want pizzaro.galiani doesnt know sheva has no sub.tomasson is not shevas sub.we paid sheva absent.vs brescia vs roma vs bologna.we paid that.galiani doesnt know about football.he always sucks.we are milan.we can get anyone in the world.
abramovic is not richer than berlusconi.but he gets everyone.why berlusconi cant buy anyone in the world?he cant buy ronaldinho galliani stated that.
ronaldinho wants milan because of he wanna play alongside ricky and sheva.ricky and sheva and ronaldinho would be dream 3.
but we must trust in ricky.
galliani doesnt knowfootball cuz we needed a player like jankulovski but he stayed with udenise even though we bought him.
galliani doesnt buy pizzaro from udinese.cuz galliani is a fool.
gallaini should have been quit.he could be barcelona CEO or chealse.
ım fed up with galliani.pancaro and serginho will stay for 2 years more.we cant find any replacement for them.we dont sign the next cafu.amedeo mancini.cuz galliani is a fool.
we cant buy chivu cuz galliani is a fool.
pippo inzaghi?we signed juve reject.
we didnt sign robinho.the next big thing.but galliani doesnt try to sign him.he is just 17 million euros.he want adriano and ronaldinho.we are weaker than last year.juve and inter are stronger than last year
we have a lot of very old players.coluccini was always a disaster.he doesnt know anything about defending.
dhorosso is süper.ı know that was a süprise for galliani.
we dont need stam but he signed him for 10 million euros.he is too slow.we need a player like chivu especially roma was in debt.he didnt try to sign him

shevaandkaka'

16-02-2005, 14:35

Galliani shouldn't quit, he's smart in many ways. Why openly declare interest in a player when the result means you have to pay more for him. You've only to look at Chelsea to see that. Galliani normally uses a player as a deflection to hide the real target he's after.
galliani is nothing.we dont have a left back.ı prefer hleb to ronaldinho in my opinion.
you all want ronaldinho.he is a show maker.last night ı must confess he was wonderul.he played better than ricky.ı saw ricky as a better player than ronaldinho.
kaka' will be better than ronnie.you will see

shevaandkaka'

16-02-2005, 14:37

galliani thinks barcelona and real madrid,juventus,inter all are better than us.

milan-mad

16-02-2005, 17:06

I tottally agree that Kaka will be a better allround player than Ronnie!
he is unselfish and a class act!

Sash21

16-02-2005, 17:49

I think people here should stop comparing Kaka and Ronaldinho all the time, and I don't think that Ronnie would ever join us.

milan-mad

16-02-2005, 17:57

Why wouldn't he???
If we were willing to pay the price tag? also he has already stated that he would love to play at Milan with all our great players?
Fair point you make though about comparing them as they are both brilliant.

Sash21

17-02-2005, 08:42

Ronnie just signed a new contract with Barca, so if u willing to pay like 100 million bucks for him so go ahead. And players say all kind of different things all the time, and the fact that he said "it would be nice play for milan" doesn't mean he prefer Milan over Barca, I think he is happy at Barca (he is their king) and I don't see him joining us. At Barca he is almost like a captain and a team's spirit, at Milan he won't get so much respect in just one year. Well let me just tell u if I were Ronnie, I would stay at Barca and not going any where else.
And btw if I have to choose who's better Ronnie or Kaka I would choose Ronnie... Kaka still has to improve, and he can't lead Milan as Ronnie leads Barca or Totti leads Roma.

freddydaddy7

17-02-2005, 14:28

guys in the end the way Gallini is goin about all this there is somethin fishy and that my firends could be big splash be end of the season where i could see Gilardino comin and Ronnie where crespo would go back and thats whow milan will rule next year

Henrik

17-02-2005, 15:17

In terms of probabilities: Crespo > Gilardino > Ronaldino
But you never know...:)

mk18

17-02-2005, 19:39

these reports of ronaldinho joining are no different than the ones that said totti is coming last season ... hes not joining... hopefully im wrong

PS: the last 1 1/2 page of this thread deserve a ... :haha:

Peachtot

18-02-2005, 08:29

big job to bring him to milan...
big money to spend out...
big rivals in trying transfer him out from barca...

and

big contribution will be given by him

3 facts and 1 possibility

Will Milan take that chance ??

Warro Bantan

18-02-2005, 11:02

There is always hope. I wish that he comes to Milan next year....do you believe in the power of wishes?

I do.

shevaandkaka'

18-02-2005, 12:21

ı said that ı trust in tognaccini and ciascini.
they will make ricky the best.
at now ronnie plays better but ricky is better in every part of this game after world cup 2006 everyone will say kaka' is better than ronnie
you will see my friends

Kui

19-02-2005, 04:57

I think you mean Braida backed up by Galliani. But Braida is the point man in all this transfer affairs. Not Tognaccini or Ciascini.

Quatre_Vents

19-02-2005, 06:06

Hello everybody! I'm catalan and a fan of FC Barcelona and I think that Ronaldinho don't will leave his team because he is very compromited for the project of the directive. Here, the newspapers don't speak of these posibility.

PD: My english is very bad. :zany:

Forza Milan! Força Barça! Freedom for Catalonia!

Henrik

19-02-2005, 06:57

Styles

19-02-2005, 06:58

galliani thinks barcelona and real madrid,juventus,inter all are better than us.

Don't forget Manchester United

Sash21

19-02-2005, 11:57

Henrik

19-02-2005, 12:00

Well Rooney choose to play for ManU. Say what you want about Rooney, but he is at the very least a good prospect.

I share you view however, that Ronaldino may not be needed given our current squad.

Bayman

19-02-2005, 14:03

I don't understand all this big fuss about Ronaldinho, I mean we don't really need him. BTW Styles ur team just having a hard time in competing other clubs in the transfer market, u lost Ronaldinho to Barca and Robben to Chelsea... I think it's a bad sign for ur team, u know if players prefer to play in other places it's something about ur club (I forgot when I last time heard some player says "I would realy like to play for Man Unt"...).

We may not need R10, but we definetely need some more real creativity. Putting all pressure to create chances on Kaka's shoulder can't be the solution. Well Cafu helps him from time to time, but he's a fullback. We need more creativity through the middle.
If it was up to me I'd go for Lyon's Juninho Pernambucano who can play in Pirlo's or Gttuso's position and is able to erase ALL of our weak spots (distance shooting, midfielder making runs into box and playing football, above all dead ball situatons)..

makkko

20-02-2005, 02:45

i think that sooner or later , we will get him. It is going to be a trade off between torres and ronaldinho. We will pay a small amou nt of money +torres who is ours and get ronaldinho; specially because milan are afraid of trying another unproven serie a spanish.

I know it is a dream but i suspect that what is going to happen.

and on another level, i dont like the idea of people saying that we cant buy or galliani does not know anything. Remember, 4 seasons ago, we got costa and inzaghi for more than 50 million together... then afterwards, we got NESTA.

Who ever thought that nesta is ours.... all of the fuss then if we will be able to get cannavaro........ and some people were saying back then, he is 20 million , we cant get him.... and in the end we got nesta for around 30 million payable on three years..........

i love milan, i beleive in milan and all of its employees..... braida, galliani...... and lately Leonardo..... he proved he is worth to be in managment just by pressuring milan to get kaka on the spot..........