View Full Version : Will Sheva win the Golden Ball?
Giovanni
04-10-2004, 06:40
The only thing i know is at France Football they are totally morons as well as the journalists, so i'm not that sure Sheva will
Sheva-KZ
04-10-2004, 07:34
GIOVANNI was actually right as the journalists and other people who are somehow involved into the "France Football" activities underestimate SHEVA!That was obviously seen for the last several years. However, he should win this prize in the nearest future and perhaps this future is gonna come in a cople of months.
Surely, Sheva could get the Golden Ball in case if his appearance in the national squad is to be similar to what we are seeing now when he plays for AC Milan in Serie A and Champions League.
So, the answer - he will...
FORZA, SHEVA!
Grande-Milan-DK
04-10-2004, 07:58
It will be Ronaldinho or Henry ..
Champfan
04-10-2004, 08:02
did you know that Sheva in hebrew its seven.
Sheva=Seven
its weird that his nickname is the number on his shirt :happy:
Yep, Buck-tooth Ronny is my guess this year
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16728
I think Andriy should and WILL win it this year. you have to be a complete moron not to give it to Il RE del GOL! :fero:
just let'em try NOT give it to the king :nunu:
Andriy Shevchenko gave(give!!!) an outstanding performances and awesome displays both in Serie A and Europe. With him passing the Gol record of the great Marco Van Basten, the player who won their prestigious award for 3 times, I say NO WAY HE CAN'T WIN!!! :rolleyes:
FORZA FLAUTO MAGICO SHEVA! :de3:
Considering the award normally goes to someone who has performed well in the Champion's League for the previous season, and also a major summer tournament (Euro 2004), I guess the likely winner is either Maniche or Deco. Ricardo Carvalho could be a darkhorse but everyone knows defenders won't win. :nana: :grinser:
I suppose it's advantage Deco for his impressive start at Barca.
Grande-Milan-DK
04-10-2004, 09:10
If the winner has to be the most "entertaining" player it has to be Ronaldinho - it`s simply great to watch all the stuff he can do with the ball on high level.
He and Maradona is nearly on same level
If the winner has to be the most "entertaining" player it has to be Ronaldinho - it`s simply great to watch all the stuff he can do with the ball on high level.
He and Maradona is nearly on same level
True. Ronaldinho is possiby the best player in the world now. But more often than not, the award will not go to the most "entertaining" player. ;)
Philip Cocu had this remark about Ronaldinho in this month's 442 magazine.
"Ronnie is so quick that he can touch the ball with his feet 4 times in half a second. If I try to play like him I'll end up injuring myself" :howler: :howler: :howler:
Can't agree more. :delol: :delol: :delol:
Peachtot
04-10-2004, 10:14
It will be Ronaldinho or Henry ..
Most possible!
Dinho so fantastic, Henry' terrific brilliant
The most, I want sheva get the golden ball.
He deserves that achievement!!
triniman
04-10-2004, 10:36
they will give it toeither deco or henry
Who else but Henry they only know?
Sheva has a big name and a realistic chance of winning it. But so do Ronaldinho and Henry - two players that, admittedly, deserve the award as much as Sheva :)
Giovanni
04-10-2004, 15:58
<nyway what are the chances of Di Livio? he achieved the outstanding promotion of Fiorentina in 2 years and his consistency is amazing
San Paolo should have won it last year....now it is too late :d55:
this time I would love Sheva to win it of course, but I see Ronaldinho with more chances.....and not because Ronaldinho is better than Sheva (because he is definitely not).....Henry of course has chances too, but again, I see the brazilian with more chances than Henry, anyway, there is still time for things to change.
who knows, maybe Ronaldo will win it :rolleyes: ;)
Sheva should get it, hopefully he will....FORZA 'LO TZAR'!!!
sehnsucht79
05-10-2004, 02:06
Definitely true about the journalists... but if Sheva continues this form, why not, eh? :)
Last year they gave coments bout why maldini would not win it: "Oh, it's just that defenders rarely win it..."
:wth:
zlatanov
05-10-2004, 02:09
If he keps it like this it would be hard to find any other contestants for the GB. However, Sheva has one BIG disadvantage - he plays for the Ukraina NT so success there is pretty limited, at least for now.
Stezagud
05-10-2004, 11:19
I think Sheva will struggle against Ronaldinho and Henry.
Ronaldinho has lots of advantages in that he is Brazilian and he does tricks :rolleyes: this will be enough for a lot of judges. He is a great player but he simply hasnt outperformed Sheva over the past year.
Henry will have the considerable force of the English media behind him. He had a brilliant season last year and has got off to a flyer this year, in 8 league games he has 7 goals and 7 assists :eek: Perhaps Arsenals lack of European success will harm his chances just as Sheva's lack of International success does.
if Sheva played for Brazil, then he should've won the Golden Ball in the last 5 successive years. :D
Henry is fantastic, but only in Premierships. He couldn't make it in European championships. yet he couldn't show a magnificent performance for France in the WC '06 qualifying.
Ronaldinho is great with Barca and Brazil. but UCL this season will show us who is the better between Ronaldinho (Barca) and Shevchenko (A.C. Milan).
OK Henry is not winning it thats for sure! Cmon..I mean hes GOD in the EPL..pretty much impossible..but in CL and Internationaly..the guy duznt even stand out.
Golden Ball should go to Sheva,Pippo or Adriano.Possibly Zlatan.
www.goal.com
Mourinho: Give The Golden Ball To Sheva
10/6/2004 11:10:00 AM
Chelsea coach Jose Mourinho believes that Milan striker Andriy Shevchenko deserves to win the Golden Ball.
He told ’Gazzetta dello Sport’: "Henry did very well in England, Lampard in the Premiership and at EURO 2004. But Shevchenko did something more. He was fantastic in the most difficult league of the world for the strikers. To score so many goals in Italy is an extraordinary achievement that must be rewarded, in my opinion."
acmilan89
06-10-2004, 05:50
These days I doubt the evaluation of "best" footballers really reflect the players' calibre. Sure, Ronaldinho and Henry are good players but if I'm not mistaken, a chunk of the "points" the players obtain are from their contribution to the club that season (e.g. Champions League, domestic competitions, national team achivements). Based on that we have to ask: If Ronaldinho wins, we also have to ask what did Barcelona achieve last season? Henry, apart from the Arsenal victory in EPL (unbeaten, at that!), what else?
..and despite all of his achievements for his club and his respectable status, where does Paolo Maldini stand in front of the eyes of France Football judges?
Sheva-KZ
06-10-2004, 06:29
If Sheva is not to win this "BALL", the only candidate is Deco!!!!
Who argues?
CuoreRossoNero
06-10-2004, 08:39
OK Henry is not winning it thats for sure! Cmon..I mean hes GOD in the EPL..pretty much impossible..but in CL and Internationaly..the guy duznt even stand out.
Golden Ball should go to Sheva,Pippo or Adriano.Possibly Zlatan.
I love Pippo but I can't see him even getting a sniff. I hope Sheva wins He has consistently scored goals in a league that is considered by many to be the toughest leaguie to score goals. He's also not your typical striker i.e. Vieri who just sits around the 18 yard box waiting for a pass so he can finish. Sheva actually goes looking for the ball and also makes things happen he definitely sets up his fair share of goals as well.
Sheva's da man :clap:
Joey Faria
06-10-2004, 09:44
if everyone is honest with themselves then the award should go to either Deco or Ricardo Carvalho...they were both integral parts of CL and Superliga Champions Porto, and were part of Portugal's run to the finals in the Euro. Sheva would be my third choice
Yeah.
Its just unfortunate Sheva is Ukrainian.
If he was playing even for the Czech Republic, then his chances would increase so much..
To think of it, he should have played for the Czechs. With Nedved and all :(
if everyone is honest with themselves then the award should go to either Deco or Ricardo Carvalho...they were both integral parts of CL and Superliga Champions Porto, and were part of Portugal's run to the finals in the Euro. Sheva would be my third choice
sorry to say so but i am farking honest with myself and i won't choose Deco. Deco play like sh*t in the final and i don't find him that great or maybe in the matches i saw him, he just happened to play badly. and also he is a cheating diver. sorry no Deco.
on the other hand, Ricardo Carvalho is freaking good. but he won't win it simply cause he is a defender. too bad for him.
LoL..im starting to like Mourinho.. ;)
Btw..I agree wit no Deco.
zlatanov
06-10-2004, 21:15
sorry to say so but i am farking honest with myself and i won't choose Deco. Deco play like sh*t in the final and i don't find him that great or maybe in the matches i saw him, he just happened to play badly. and also he is a cheating diver. sorry no Deco.
on the other hand, Ricardo Carvalho is freaking good. but he won't win it simply cause he is a defender. too bad for him.
Totally agree.
As for Mourinho, I have always liked the guy even without his favouring of Sheva for the GB.
Even though Portugal reached the Euro 2004 final, Deco was not good at all, and in the final he was the worst player. Even Rui Costa was better. Plus the awards are usually given to a big name and Deco has just been well known for a year.
The award will go to one from Shevchenko, Henry, and Ronaldinho. If Milan beats Barca and Shev stars then that will be a big contribution as this is the match the whole world will be watching. Kaka is an outsider for the award but even he has a chance if he rips Barca apart like in the first game against Deportivo!
sehnsucht79
07-10-2004, 02:28
When will all this hype bout Henry go away. He's good of course, but it's all been overdone and it's getting on my nerves. It's about time Shevchenko gets the recognition he deserves. All these awards are stupid politics.
When will all this hype bout Henry go away. He's good of course, but it's all been overdone and it's getting on my nerves. It's about time Shevchenko gets the recognition he deserves. All these awards are stupid politics.
if this was a petition i would sign it straight away. i totally agree with you
Giovanni
07-10-2004, 07:28
if everyone is honest with themselves then the award should go to either Deco or Ricardo Carvalho...they were both integral parts of CL and Superliga Champions Porto, and were part of Portugal's run to the finals in the Euro. Sheva would be my third choice
why? for one good season? sheva is clearly above these players and has shown it even in this last year. Carvalho to win the G B? i just name few player who didn't: BARESI- MALDINI. Enuff said. Carvalho is good but not even in the same planet, let apart the league.
Deco? he's a good player, not better than Rui Costa at his peak. I just tell you kakà is 5 times better. Let's not joke, i would understand Henry or Ronaldinho, but these names are frankly not G B quality
Lombardia
07-10-2004, 07:45
i agree totally with giovanni, the only people who could reastically win the g b this year are sheva, ronaldinho, henry, lampard and possibl kaka.
Peachtot
07-10-2004, 10:32
i agree totally with giovanni, the only people who could reastically win the g b this year are sheva, ronaldinho, henry, lampard and possibl kaka.
More specificly according to its chance:
Henry
Ronaldinho
Sheva
Sheva deserved it!
i really hope sheva wins it, i think he deserves it.
BaggioForever
07-10-2004, 21:39
totally agree tt its bout due time sheva wins the GB.....looking at how he bounce back from his injury-stricken season to come back with a bang to help milan to the 17th scudetto...n not 4getting the 2 spectecular goals against lazio....sheva is GOD!!~ :v408: :v408: :v408:
sheva1234
08-10-2004, 08:56
sheva is god.ronaldo wants ronaldinho to win golden ball.
ronaldo are jeaolus with our sheva and kaka'
why he hates sheva and kaka'?
even mourinho said that sheva deserved it more than anyone.ronaldo are a fool and he is fat and ugly man but our sheva and kaka' are nice and handsome and adorable.
ı **** ronaldo and ronaldinho
if ronaldinho wins it kaka' should be winner cuz he played better than ronaldinho.but sheva deserved it more than anyone as ı said before.
sheva
why? for one good season? sheva is clearly above these players and has shown it even in this last year. Carvalho to win the G B? i just name few player who didn't: BARESI- MALDINI. Enuff said. Carvalho is good but not even in the same planet, let apart the league.
Deco? he's a good player, not better than Rui Costa at his peak. I just tell you kakà is 5 times better. Let's not joke, i would understand Henry or Ronaldinho, but these names are frankly not G B quality
Not for one good season, but rather one good "Calender" year.
You have to understand that such awards are given to players who have played well for a given calender year, and strong performances in the Champion's League and major international tournaments (World Cup, Euro Championships) will further enhance the chances of winning.
Of course, there are past winners of this award who had only played well in a given calender year (some even in just a major tournament). And they can never be rated as the top 100 best ever players, like a certain Paolo Rossi back in 1982.
sehnsucht79
08-10-2004, 10:59
Just to add in a little secret: Jani acts like a girl everytime Shevchenko scores (understandable, but still funny!) :D
Deco is a good player yes but I don't think he deserves the award as he is not a thoroughly proven player. Although he has won the CL with Porto; that was only one successful season in Europe and does not signify much compared to the success of others. Besides, that CL year was a bit shrewd. All big teams seem to lose rather than small teams win. I know he has been good for Porto for quite sometime, but being in the Portuguese League doesn't really cut it. His CL success is his only major success in comparison to others, and that was only for once. Thus I believe he should wait to get the Golden Ball, and let the other players who have profusely proven fans that they are quality.
Nedved has tipped Sheva to win it this year!!! Hey Sheva should have won it way before now, but he sort of fell away the late 01-02 - early 02-03, but now he is back as good as he has ever been and I totally think he deserves it, but I really doubt he will win it. Even with several people tipping him, I very much doubt he will. BTW anyone catch the article today, Wenger was referring to overseas players that have arrived at Arsenal with performance enhancing drugs, Henry perhaps??
CieloEMar
11-10-2004, 02:14
:rollani: When Kaka was interviewed by a spanish newspaper recently, he said he think ronaldinho should win 2004 FIFA World Player. Hope he has a second thought for the golden ball...
A French paper and a Henry that scores like crazy in Arsenal. Also he gets a lot of media attention, he will get it IMO, he may get both the bi awards and then all media will go crazy about him... and I will hide.
IMO the only real competitors are henry,sheva,ronaldinho and would be kaka` if it wasn`t his first season in europe(for some reason ...to my knowledge GB always goes into hands of `distinguished players) so....i pray for sheva :p283: to win it cos he blatnatly deserves it,but i reckon Henry will take it this year.
i cant believe vicente isnt even on the list!!!!!!
IMO he should be 1 of the last 3 candidates for it... if not the winner himself, he was outstanding!!!
well Valencia did win two trophies last year, UEFA Cup and La Liga so i suposse he would be in with a chance
sehnsucht79
12-10-2004, 20:46
bah. these things are all politics. it's sad because some players don't get the recognition they deserve
sheva1234
13-10-2004, 03:47
PRESS SURVEY - DECO: 'Sheva never misses'
12 October 2004 09:58
MILAN - Welcome to our presentation of what the Italian press are saying about Milan on Tuesday, October 12. 'La Gazzetta dello Sport' published an interview with Barcelona star Deco, who talked about the award for European Footballer of the Year and FIFA's World Footballer of the Year: 'I am not the only candidate. I rate [Thierry] Henry, Ronaldhino and [Andriy] Shevchenko. The most dangerous rival, however, has to be Shevchenko. He hardly ever misses a chance, either for Milan or Ukraine. Barcelona will face Milan in the Champions League, but it's not really Deco against Sheva. However, it's the encounter between the two strongest sides in the group.'
LoL I read that..I was laughin so hard..I don't even think Deco has a CHANCE..please he didn't have nun on Rui let alone Sheva..But judging by the way those luzers vote..I doubt it'll go to Sheva..altho I hope it does *fingers crossed*..I can bet big money that it'll go to Rooney or RVN or any animal along those lines..Just TOO overated.
Forza Sheva :D
ACMILAN1983
13-10-2004, 16:15
A lot of people are saying Sheva to win it this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if he does
CieloEMar
13-10-2004, 19:55
Sheva had another goal today. He is really amazing!
If he could have a great performance in the 2 matches of Milan vs Barca and beat Ronaldiniho, the chance to get Golden Ball will increase alot!
Forza Sheva!!!
Yeah alot of people want him to win..but Fifa is juss *MESSED*..and they're gonna pick a player who had a VERY successfull year..like Rooney at euro 2004..or Adriano at copa america..
But the BEST thing to do..is give the golden ball to Shevchenko :)
This year Sheva has a big big chance to win it and I really hope he does, he deserves it!
Yeah alot of people want him to win..but Fifa is juss *MESSED*..and they're gonna pick a player who had a VERY successfull year..like Rooney at euro 2004..or Adriano at copa america..
But the BEST thing to do..is give the golden ball to Shevchenko :)
Fifa don't choose the winner. in their award it is the national team coaches that choose and they usually can come with completly hilarious choices while most just vote for the most hyped last year. France football magazine world player of the year is voted by journalists, they have a little better check on things at least.
Giovanni
14-10-2004, 04:34
A lot of people are saying Sheva to win it this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if he does
i wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't
i predict surprises, after the madini's missed golden ball (who clearly doesn't ruin at all a perfect career) i've lost faith in these awards. it will go to the overrated deco :hangover:
sehnsucht79
14-10-2004, 09:19
As I see it usually team's success plays a big part in these awards, and Ukraine NT isn't exactly successful and although Milan won the Scudetto, it was not as grand as the CL for the journalists perhaps. So Sheva probably won't win in that sense, not because he doesn't deserve it. My best bet would probably be Deco taking the title home.
Giovanni
14-10-2004, 14:41
As I see it usually team's success plays a big part in these awards, and Ukraine NT isn't exactly successful and although Milan won the Scudetto, it was not as grand as the CL for the journalists perhaps. So Sheva probably won't win in that sense, not because he doesn't deserve it. My best bet would probably be Deco taking the title home.
If it was for the trophies Maldini should have 10 golden balls.
They never counted for defenders like paolo or franco baresi, united to amazing performances, then this dwarf from portugal comes and claim to win it.
This award is simply ridiculous, and i hope it will go to the right person this time.
I can understand Ronaldinho or Henry, but def not Deco
Defender's are too underrated when it comes to these things..
And no way in hell is Deco gonna get it..not over my dead body!
ACMILAN1983
14-10-2004, 16:58
i wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't
i predict surprises, after the madini's missed golden ball (who clearly doesn't ruin at all a perfect career) i've lost faith in these awards. it will go to the overrated deco :hangover:
Deco doesn't deserve it at all, but I won't be too annoyed if he does win this meaningless trophy
Deco doesn't deserve this award? Probably, but the award has also gone to some "undeserved" winners in the past. Remember Michael Owen? Paolo Rossi? Well I would obviously be delighted in seeing Sheva getting the award, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Deco ends up winning this.
Here's some flashback to a day in 1982, when I was still a young kid. :smileani: And I'll use a quote from Giovanni here. :grinser:
"They never counted for defenders like Brietner or Scirea, then this midget from Italia comes and claim to win it. This award is simply ridiculous, and I hope it will go to the right person next year. I can understand Platini or Rummenigge, but def not Rossi"
Paolo Rossi (winner in 1982) won the award based on performances in just THREE games (against Brasil, Poland and West Germany) in WC82.
From January to May 82 Rossi was serving a ban for match fixing, and after the World Cup finals he did phuck-all for Juventus for the rest of 1982. The award was only given to European born players back then, and if an Italian player had to win this award due Italy's success in the World Cup, then Gaetano Scirea would have been a more deserved winner. No wait, Scirea was a defender, and we all know defenders won't win.... :devf:
(Well, defenders like Franz Beckenbauer and Josef Masopust have won this award before, as did goalkeeper Lev Yashin, so it's not exactly true that defenders "won't win".)
In 1983, the award did go to the right person (Michel Platini), but I had lost confidence in this award back then when I was still a kid.
So, you can't really say Deco does not deserve this award, cause he certainly has done more (and played well many games) in 2004 (Portuguese League Champion, Champion's League Winner, Euro 2004 Finalists) than Rossi ever did in 1982 (3 good games at WC82). And thank god Germany won the World Cup at Italia 90, or we could have seen Salvatore "Toto" Schillaci a Golden Ball winner back in 1990. :eekani:
ACMILAN1983
15-10-2004, 17:49
Deco doesn't deserve this award? Probably, but the award has also gone to some "undeserved" winners in the past. Remember Michael Owen? Paolo Rossi? Well I would obviously be delighted in seeing Sheva getting the award, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Deco ends up winning this.
Here's some flashback to a day in 1982, when I was still a young kid. :smileani: And I'll use a quote from Giovanni here. :grinser:
"They never counted for defenders like Brietner or Scirea, then this midget from Italia comes and claim to win it. This award is simply ridiculous, and I hope it will go to the right person next year. I can understand Platini or Rummenigge, but def not Rossi"
Paolo Rossi (winner in 1982) won the award based on performances in just THREE games (against Brasil, Poland and West Germany) in WC82.
From January to May 82 Rossi was serving a ban for match fixing, and after the World Cup finals he did phuck-all for Juventus for the rest of 1982. The award was only given to European born players back then, and if an Italian player had to win this award due Italy's success in the World Cup, then Gaetano Scirea would have been a more deserved winner. No wait, Scirea was a defender, and we all know defenders won't win.... :devf:
(Well, defenders like Franz Beckenbauer and Josef Masopust have won this award before, as did goalkeeper Lev Yashin, so it's not exactly true that defenders "won't win".)
In 1983, the award did go to the right person (Michel Platini), but I had lost confidence in this award back then when I was still a kid.
So, you can't really say Deco does not deserve this award, cause he certainly has done more (and played well many games) in 2004 (Portuguese League Champion, Champion's League Winner, Euro 2004 Finalists) than Rossi ever did in 1982 (3 good games at WC82). And thank god Germany won the World Cup at Italia 90, or we could have seen Salvatore "Toto" Schillaci a Golden Ball winner back in 1990. :eekani:
Yeah, but when there are so many more players who deserve the award ahead of him, I think its a fair comment.
ilgenio ur well informed :D
But wait are u actually saying that Deco deserves this thing over the AMAZING players now a days?[Such as Sheva]
sehnsucht79
16-10-2004, 10:03
If it was for the trophies Maldini should have 10 golden balls.
They never counted for defenders like paolo or franco baresi, united to amazing performances, then this dwarf from portugal comes and claim to win it.
This award is simply ridiculous, and i hope it will go to the right person this time.
I can understand Ronaldinho or Henry, but def not Deco
Agreed. As I said earlier in a previous post that defenders do not get as much recognition, which is absolute nonsense really because defense make up as much for the game as offense does. This golden ball thing doesn't really give recognition to those who have long deserved it, rather to 'flavour of the week' kind of players. And seeing the pattern, though I disagree, but Deco does seem likely to win it..
I really hope he will win the title.
He really deserves it.
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