chelsea: biggest threat in CL (im serious)

[ck_ian69]

hi guys and gals..firstly pardon me for starting this thread. ive been looking thru this forum for abt 3 mths now..and only posted once or twice. but with the new season coming up shortly, i cant help but worry if milan will be able to cope with the 'choke' effect that have seemingly plagued them for 2 seasons..against depor and pool.. these opinions are just my own...u guys can add yr own comments..

firstly, chelsea i sense..would really pose the strongest challenge to milan in the CL. those idiots really strengthened their squad by adding shaun wright-philips and del horno, if eissien comes, they really have 2 top players vying for each position. their attack might appear quite blunt, even with crespo (drogba is plainly overrated..his only redeeming factor is his aerial strength, as demonstrated against bayern in the last CL). Their midfield however, can really stretch milan should makelele and lampard dominate the centre, which they are perfectly capable of doing in big match occasions. (thank god they did not get gerrard) IMHO, in the anchor position, lampard/mak vs pirlo/gattuso/seedorf is a mismatch becos of seedorf. This guy really needs to run alot more and stop losing possesion. Whenever seedorf trys to shield the ball from 2 opposing players, my heart almost skips a beat, and he's prob the laziest player in our midfield. Well, as i said, if lampard/mak can dominate the centre, pirlo alone cannot pull milan's act together. Kaka isnt that good if pirlo isnt providing the link from defence to attack. Mourinio (spelling is incorrect) would have known this by now : stop pirlo, and milan is toothless. Yea kaka and shevy can create havoc on their own, but we cannot rely on moments of brilliance in the CL, its too risky. Juve hoped for a player to do a zidane-act to help them score that single goal against liverpool, but the reds were literally swamping the midfield..and thats the end of juve..

once chelsea gains ctrl over the middle of the park, our defence would be severely stretched by wright-philips/cole/duff/robben (thats 4 top class wingers who can run and stretch yr defence, imagine 4 ryan giggs in his prime playing..). THIS IS REALLY THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM. Milan does not have defenders with enuf pace to keep pacy and tricky wingers in check. If cafu/janku is still overlapping and we get caught out of possession due to some errors, our central defenders (read this: stam/maldini/nesta) would have to come out of position to get the ball off chelsea's wingers before they bring the ball into the box. We have no chance in terms of pace, Stam is overpowering in the air and in the centre, but bring him to the flanks and he's a 12000cc tractor trying to outrun a ferrari.. Maldini is solid, but clearly has lost his pace.. Nesta is good enough, but he cant always be there..

any ideas how to cope with chelsea's wingers? seriously, chelsea's attack and defence dosen worry me, its their wingers..and midfield (esp lampard..that guy is SUPER CLASS)..i rate him at the same lvl as pirlo..

i saw in alot of threats calling for gattuso to be a sub, i kinda agree with that. We should have gotten vieira although he's gonna cost a bomb (i dont think he would return to milan anyway). Yea, we do need a top class DM, a DM who can read the game, and can defend and pass long balls into the box, someone who can complement pirlo who's not that great defensively..someone in the mould of vieira/ballack/lampard/gerrard..

other than chelsea, maybe barcelona and real would also prove major obstacles...but the main problem is...milan needs to find ways to deal with tricky wingers...milan cannot afford to be stretched wide at the back, maybe thats the reason why cafu is constantly making runs down the flanks >> to keep opposing wingers in check.

Solution?

1) play cafu and janku on the flanks to press chelsea's wings...
2) get a reliable replacement for cafu..(if he suffers a major injury, it might severly hinder our season)
3) we got gila who's young and talented..we need to buy defenders who are young and talented too, i know milan's management already knows this...but i just cant wait for the day whereby we would get another top quality defender..

comments anyone?

[Dr Milano]

hi guys and gals..firstly pardon me for starting this thread. ive been looking thru this forum for abt 3 mths now..and only posted once or twice. but with the new season coming up shortly, i cant help but worry if milan will be able to cope with the 'choke' effect that have seemingly plagued them for 2 seasons..against depor and pool.. these opinions are just my own...u guys can add yr own comments..

firstly, chelsea i sense..would really pose the strongest challenge to milan in the CL. those idiots really strengthened their squad by adding shaun wright-philips and del horno, if eissien comes, they really have 2 top players vying for each position. their attack might appear quite blunt, even with crespo (drogba is plainly overrated..his only redeeming factor is his aerial strength, as demonstrated against bayern in the last CL). Their midfield however, can really stretch milan should makelele and lampard dominate the centre, which they are perfectly capable of doing in big match occasions. (thank god they did not get gerrard) IMHO, in the anchor position, lampard/mak vs pirlo/gattuso/seedorf is a mismatch becos of seedorf. This guy really needs to run alot more and stop losing possesion. Whenever seedorf trys to shield the ball from 2 opposing players, my heart almost skips a beat, and he's prob the laziest player in our midfield. Well, as i said, if lampard/mak can dominate the centre, pirlo alone cannot pull milan's act together. Kaka isnt that good if pirlo isnt providing the link from defence to attack. Mourinio (spelling is incorrect) would have known this by now : stop pirlo, and milan is toothless. Yea kaka and shevy can create havoc on their own, but we cannot rely on moments of brilliance in the CL, its too risky. Juve hoped for a player to do a zidane-act to help them score that single goal against liverpool, but the reds were literally swamping the midfield..and thats the end of juve..

once chelsea gains ctrl over the middle of the park, our defence would be severely stretched by wright-philips/cole/duff/robben (thats 4 top class wingers who can run and stretch yr defence, imagine 4 ryan giggs in his prime playing..). THIS IS REALLY THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM. Milan does not have defenders with enuf pace to keep pacy and tricky wingers in check. If cafu/janku is still overlapping and we get caught out of possession due to some errors, our central defenders (read this: stam/maldini/nesta) would have to come out of position to get the ball off chelsea's wingers before they bring the ball into the box. We have no chance in terms of pace, Stam is overpowering in the air and in the centre, but bring him to the flanks and he's a 12000cc tractor trying to outrun a ferrari.. Maldini is solid, but clearly has lost his pace.. Nesta is good enough, but he cant always be there..

any ideas how to cope with chelsea's wingers? seriously, chelsea's attack and defence dosen worry me, its their wingers..and midfield (esp lampard..that guy is SUPER CLASS)..i rate him at the same lvl as pirlo..

i saw in alot of threats calling for gattuso to be a sub, i kinda agree with that. We should have gotten vieira although he's gonna cost a bomb (i dont think he would return to milan anyway). Yea, we do need a top class DM, a DM who can read the game, and can defend and pass long balls into the box, someone who can complement pirlo who's not that great defensively..someone in the mould of vieira/ballack/lampard/gerrard..

other than chelsea, maybe barcelona and real would also prove major obstacles...but the main problem is...milan needs to find ways to deal with tricky wingers...milan cannot afford to be stretched wide at the back, maybe thats the reason why cafu is constantly making runs down the flanks >> to keep opposing wingers in check.

Solution?

1) play cafu and janku on the flanks to press chelsea's wings...
2) get a reliable replacement for cafu..(if he suffers a major injury, it might severly hinder our season)
3) we got gila who's young and talented..we need to buy defenders who are young and talented too, i know milan's management already knows this...but i just cant wait for the day whereby we would get another top quality defender..

comments anyone?lol i do have comment well done and i agree with u

[MATNAT]

ck ian69.... you have argued some points well but i think your looking at ac milan as individuals and not as a team.

i agree that chelsea are awesome but they only ahev 3 wingers mind you in robben, duff and SWP who are any good. as for the "cockney pele" (as my mate likes to call him..lol....thats mister joe cole to others...) i dont really rate him and hes going to be fourth in that list of wide midifielders.

as for seedorf ive never been scared when he shields the ball because ive noticed he has an arse to rival that of j-lo (khris must love that seedorf booty!!). if he were to lose his arse he may run faster but he would also lose the ability to shield the ball.

individually lampard is fitter than any of our players (hes not missed a chelsea game in yonks...someone will back me up with the proven stats) and yes SWP, robben and duff may all be faster than the likes of cafu, maldini, janku etc...
however for the defenders i might add its more a sense of timing and positioning that make them better than all out pace and acceleration, thats why the likes of maldini etc.. can still hack it at this level.

the crux is how milan defend as a team. the problem milan have had in the past couple of seasons, as has been said on many occasions, is how the midfield perform when they dont have the ball.

carlo has to make the team defend better as a more secure unit. it doesnt matter how good there individuals are, its the sum of them that matters. football if we remember is played in a small area (if you look down onto the pitch when a goal is being kicked you`ll see what i mean) where all the players are within a few metres of each other. milan have to learn how to defend this small area more effectively when there is a loose ball etc..or when just holding there positions and waiting for the oppostion to make a mistake etc...

if milan can defend more as a "team" instead of having to rely on the brilliance of nesta and dida, i really don`t fear anyone including the "cockney pele!!!!!!!!"

[m1ke]

as for seedorf ive never been scared when he shields the ball because ive noticed he has an arse to rival that of j-lo (khris must love that seedorf booty!!). if he were to lose his arse he may run faster but he would also lose the ability to shield the ball.
:rotfl:

But yes, I agree, Chelsea are going to be one of the best teams in the competition this season.

Anyone can win it though. Chelsea were better than Liverpool last year and look what happend. I'm confident about Paris :dcool:

[zlatanov]

IMO, Milan, Chelsea, Juve and Bayern M are the most serious contenders for this year's CL title and, at the beginning, have more or less equal chances of winning it. Of course one can add Real M and Barca to the favourites but I think they still don't have what is needed to win that competition - a very strong defence.

[kenichy]

against the likes of chelsea milan would defenetely have to play with the christmas tree formation using very defensive players ( ambro, gattuso ) to get the ball back.

hopefully we won't have to face chelsea someone will eliminate them for us.

[ck_ian69]

against the likes of chelsea milan would defenetely have to play with the christmas tree formation using very defensive players ( ambro, gattuso ) to get the ball back.

hopefully we won't have to face chelsea someone will eliminate them for us.

oh my god what will chelsea fans think of milan if they see this?

to put it simply...TO BE THE BEST>> WE BEAT THE BEST

milan is milan...we do not change our game plan for anyone..not even real, 9 times CL winners, let alone the pathetic blues who have zero european pedigree...

FORZA MILAN... :p017:

[Franco6]

I agree, on paper Chelsea and even Barca are maybe a bit better than us. They are serious contenders and this year they have a year of experience more. Liverpool last year where just lucky, United, Real and Bayern are not at our levels, inter are, but they are inter, while juve are a thread in Italy only

[kenichy]

milan is milan...we do not change our game plan for anyone..not even real, 9 times CL winners, let alone the pathetic blues who have zero european pedigree...


carletto changed his gameplan to beat manchester united this last season and everybody praised him for doing that. manchester bieng inferior than last years chelsea. we could of still played with 2 strikers jdt and crespo. so don't say that milan never changed their game plan for anyone, besides isn't that what carletto is doing trying the 3 man defense because we have become so predictable ?

[Warro Bantan]

On paper, as has been said, Chelski has the best team in the UCL...however, I fear no team...NONE..

But more on this...let me do some research and get back to you.. :dcool:

[KhRiS]

Chelsea are the Champions of England, in which there were only 2 teams competing(used very loosely) with them and that too mathematically, most of teams last season were'nt able to compete with them, now most of them have analysed mourinhoe's tactics and will setup a bus in front of goal, he needs a run of few bad games(which he has'nt witnessed at chelsea last season and at porto), and we will see how he handles it, this season rafa will go out with all guns blazing, as I only see Liverpool capable of competeting with them as they strengthened themselves this summer(unlike MANUre amd Arse ), Mourinhoe will get a run for his money this season as most clubs will realise a gaining a point from them is sure shot victory. Mourihno has to be challenged on both fronts i.e Premiership and Champions League with tough teams, he will crack, has to, afterall he is only Human. :guw:

[MATNAT]

after watching chelsea on saturday against arsenal it confirmed what everyone has been saying about chelsea for the past year or so and about arsenal for the past few years.

chelsea have an unbelivable defensive unit. it is so compact, so strong, quick and powerful that to breach it and then get the ball past cech will require either outstanding offensive play or individual errors/mistake (as you saw on saturday when lujnberg got round del horno and then both tiago and gallas missed the ball). what i like about chelsea is that not only can they play attractive football on the ground but when they need to they can go direct with there awesome power and strength. mourinho has done such a good job in finding players that can first play football on the ground but when they need to mix it they can use there raw strength, power and aggression that goes right through the team. whats really impressive about chelsea is that they all have that "bulldog" spirit and will contest every 50/50 ball anywhere around the pitch, theres not too many teams that can/will do that. its a credit to mourinho that hes got the rest of the foreigners playing like that.

as for arsenal it was again individual defensive errors that led to the goals. senderos had an awful time coping with drogbas strength and when he scored the second goal lauren made such a feeble attempt to win the ball you would not have put money on drogba from scoring from there. once again arsenals inability to get behind teams that squeeze the play show the problems thats been evident for a few seaons now. if you ask me wenger should by owen (i think milan should buy owen to repalce inzaghi, does anyone else think this?) and lessen the burden on henry so that he can work his magic outside the box knowing there is a very good striker ready to finish off any potential move. i think arsenals defensive disease will once again ruin any chance of them winning anything this year, because 1.) chelsea dont concede many therefore they will win the premiership and 2.) they (arsenal) aren`t as good offensively or defensively as the rest of the teams in the champions league. monsieur wenger is the manager equivalent of what cantona was as a player in europe for man utd.... i.e awful

[KhRiS]

I am so sorry to say that Mourinhoe has been crap in the Transfer Market, he inherited Cech, Robben et al, he got Carvalho, Ferreira who are ok and his trusted Lietenants, Alexei might be here because of the Russian connection but is an average player. As far SWP is concerened everyone has seen how good he is, only one needed sufficient money to splash out, and one does'nt have to be a genius to see how he is, I feel the main thing that works for Mourinhoe is the Hunger to Succeed that he has installed in them, he has turned the world's hatred towards them as motivation for them to succeed. Life is not Perfect, there will be cracks developing sometime or another. Hopefully this season itself.
Mourinho will have a tough time against Milan this season if they meet. we have the players to counter them no doubt, everyone remember one thing we are not a Midtable English side. :d33:

[roy_lo81]

Chelsea is a big threat, but no, not the biggest!
The biggest threat in CL this season is Barca..

[Stezagud]

Chelsea are now the most balanced side in Europe and if they add Essien to their midfield will put distance between themselves and the rest. At the moment though i think Milan are the 2nd most balanced side in Europe and the gap is still bridgable by a moment of individual brilliance (the sort guys like Sheva and Kaka are well capable of supplying ;) ) Therefore i dont feel we need fear them at all, believe me, they will be just as worried about Milan as we are about them.

Mourinho has 2 tasks this season to accomplish before i think they can win the CL, the first being to successfully integrate SWP into the team as he is as good as Robben and naturally right sided, giving them maximumn width. The 2nd and harder task is to keep the squad satisfied, how long will Cole, Gallas, Crespo etc keep quiet if they get limited chances?

As for Barca, i dont think they are on the same level as Milan, Chelsea or Juve. They are top heavy (though not as much as Real) and it will cost them in later rounds when they face sides with both Attackers AND defenders :)

[mk18]

heres my list of the biggest threats overall for all teams in the CL:

1) milan
2) barcelona
3) chelsea
4) juventus
5) liverpool
6) real madrid
7) bayern munich
8) real madrid
9) inter milan
10)man united

[Mehdi]

Chelsea and Barca are our biggest threats.

[Warro Bantan]

heres my list of the biggest threats overall for all teams in the CL:

1) milan
2) barcelona
3) chelsea
4) juventus
5) liverpool
6) real madrid
7) bayern munich
8) real madrid
9) inter milan
10)man united


I like your sequencing mk18, but this is how I see it(sans Milan):

1) I really think that we may be unpleasantly surprised by a minnow..not that we will get knocked out, but that we will come close to elimination by a Villareal type team...(IMO we are going to Paris, and winning this competition this year)..due more to our seeming inability to raise the bar against "smaller" clubs than anything else. :blind:

2) Chelsea
3) Barca
4) Juventus
5) Real Madrid
6) Inter Milan
7) Bayern Munich
8) ?


I dont regard Arsenal, Man U, or Liverpool to be a threat to us...if we face Liverpool at any point in the UCL this season, they will be in for a hammering. :drool:

Arsenal and Man U probably wont even reach the knockout stage this term. :nana:

[Stezagud]

Arsenal and Man U probably wont even reach the knockout stage this term.

of course Utd will win the CL, Rooney needs to practise lifting trophies as he will be doing it for England next summer :sagrin:

In all seriousness (not to say thew above isnt a possibility ;) ) i rate the contenders in this order:

Chelsea
Milan
Barcelona
Juventus
Bayern
Utd
Inter
Real
Arsenal

Though as the transfer season isnt over yet a few decent buys could shift things dramatically (like a defender for Real perhaps :p286: )

I'd be very surprised if the winner comes from outside those top 3 though.

[Peachtot]

IMO, Milan, Chelsea, Juve and Bayern M are the most serious contenders for this year's CL title and,
Bayern M out, replaced by Barcelona..
consider Barca's no.10 !!
even in Madrid there's the new pairing brazillians

[Peachtot]

heres my list of the biggest threats overall for all teams in the CL:
1) milan
2) barcelona
3) chelsea
4) juventus

agree...
But I think the fourth team has the same chance to be the champ..
Barca..., see you in the next stage !!

p.s : Kui, are you there :uhm:

[shevagol_7]

heres my list of the biggest threats overall for all teams in the CL:

1) milan
2) barcelona
3) chelsea
4) juventus
5) liverpool
6) real madrid
7) bayern munich
8) real madrid
9) inter milan
10)man united

I like the fact that Real are there twice they are going to be twice as good as last season, hence double the threat ;)

[zlatanov]

Bayern M out, replaced by Barcelona..
consider Barca's no.10 !!
even in Madrid there's the new pairing brazillians
CL is won by teams and not #10s or #11s ... Dinho is a marvelous player ... individually ... and this is why his presence in a team doesn't necessarily mean winning. They are champs of Spain but last year all the other contenders were more or less a tragedy and this left Barca as a lone runner for the title. In Europe it is a very different story.
Agree that Real have strengthen themselves a lot but they can't play all that firepower they have at the same time. Their problem is that they sold the one good defender they had without finding a suitable replacement and their defence is very exposed right now - it would be a miracle if they do end up winning the CL. In case they do buy a defender or two, I would consider them a serious contenter for the CL crown but now, imo, they are way too vulnerable at the back.
Expect a very strong perfomance from Bayern - they are much more solid as a team than Barca, for example. Last year the Germans had the misfortune to meet Chelski in a moment when both of their first-choice attackers - Makkay and Pizzarro - were injured, while Roque Santa Cruz had an injury-plagued season and never really managed to hit top form. With these three avoiding serious injuries, Bayern are as good a team as Chelski, Juve, and even Milan. Plus last year was the first year for Maggat in Bayern and now I would expect a much more fluent team-play from them since coach and players would know each other far better.

[Warro Bantan]

Good post Zlat, I agree with you, but tell me, how are Bayern defensively, now that they have sold Kaffur?

[Hasan Rossonero]

I think the biggest threat to Milan is themselves. Frankly, we have sort of become our own nemesis. Personally I don' think there is a better team than us in the world. Chelsea are definitely up there but if we approach games with perhaps a little less swagger and a healthy dose of pragmatism, we may well do better.

[MATNAT]

warro, as far as i know for there defence bayern signed bremen defender ismael and he got sent of in the first game of the season...bayern still won though.

[zlatanov]

I think the biggest threat to Milan is themselves. Frankly, we have sort of become our own nemesis. Personally I don' think there is a better team than us in the world.
totally agree with you - first we have to be aware of ourselves and once we cope with that, the rest would be a walk in the park.

@ Warro - Bayern lost both Kuffur and Kovac in central defence but although they both are very experienced players, neither of them was irreplaceble for Bayern. Kuffur, for example, is great one-on-one but totally sucks when it comes to tactical awareness and often runs around like a headless chicken covering offsides or leaving his zone vulnerable. He never really established himself as a first-choice defender for Bayern but was more of a first-off-the-bench in case of emergency. This has been the case for the past 2 seasons or so.
If they had a more regular partener for Lucio that was Kovac. He, however, is 32-33 and although he has always been a good and solid defender, he has also had his moments of "lights-out".
For this season Bayern brought in Valerien Ismael from Werder to sub for Kovac. The frenchman isn't perfect either but is a solid and fast defender, not to mention his height and cannon-of-a-shot. Ismael has never been so far part of a club of Bayern's calibre but has always impressed in his previous clubs. I would expect a great season for him now that he is at Bayern, although he got sent off in his first official game for them in the Bundesliga :hah2: .
Off course they have Lucio too, but it is another central defender I am very impressed by - argentinian Martin Demichelis. He is a young (25) central defender they got 2 years ago from River Plate. He had some niggling injuries in the first season with Bayern so he had a hard time impressing, but since Maggat came in, Demichelis has become increasingly important for them and is being used both in central defence and as a holding midfielder. IMO, the Argentinian is Bayern's best/most talanted defender and he is one player I wouldn't mind seeing at Milan, especially when we start rejuvenating our defence.
Lucio/Ismael seems to be Bayern's first-choice defensive pair but Demichelis, who Maggat plays mostly in midfield, can immediately substitute anyone of them.

[Warro Bantan]

Thanks Zlat...nice analysis...so on paper, in essence, Bayern´s central defence is up there with ours and Juve...not a comforting thought...:moan:

I too am an admirer of Demichelis...he seems to be an excellent player, and I endorse your opinion that he would be a welcome addition to our back 4.

So indeed, Bayern rises as a potential threat, but I also agree with Hasan´s assessment, that we are in essence our own worst enemy, that, and the average age of our back 4...even with Nesta´s youth, we are the Italian version of the geriatricos insofar as our defense is concerned.

This for me is our biggest challenge, having the defense fit and ready for Paris in May...summer 06 is a long long 60+ matches away as well..we would really be doing ourselves a favour by bringing in a young player for the back...Cicinho would be a good start..

[hwmook]

Chelsea are now the most balanced side in Europe and if they add Essien to their midfield will put distance between themselves and the rest. At the moment though i think Milan are the 2nd most balanced side in Europe and the gap is still bridgable by a moment of individual brilliance (the sort guys like Sheva and Kaka are well capable of supplying ;) ) Therefore i dont feel we need fear them at all, believe me, they will be just as worried about Milan as we are about them.

Mourinho has 2 tasks this season to accomplish before i think they can win the CL, the first being to successfully integrate SWP into the team as he is as good as Robben and naturally right sided, giving them maximumn width. The 2nd and harder task is to keep the squad satisfied, how long will Cole, Gallas, Crespo etc keep quiet if they get limited chances?

As for Barca, i dont think they are on the same level as Milan, Chelsea or Juve. They are top heavy (though not as much as Real) and it will cost them in later rounds when they face sides with both Attackers AND defenders :)


but then again, chelsea forwards are second class compared to milan's. if i am a manager, i would choose milan's team over chelsea's.

[Stezagud]

but then again, chelsea forwards are second class compared to milan's. if i am a manager, i would choose milan's team over chelsea's.

Chelsea's forwards are weaker than Milans but you have to look at the bigger picture. Drogba as an individual isnt as good as Sheva but he does just as important a job for his team, his role is absolutely vital to Chelsea's counter attacking style and he is often heavily involved in the goal threat that comes from Chelsea's midfield (a midfield that scored around 50 goals last season)

[hitmannq8]

Milan first, then Barca, then Juve and then Chelsea. Then inter. Then Real. This year the Italians have gotten much stronger, because as all the world knows, Italian teams are the best in the world, they are so good that, the prime target for the big 3 is not Serie A, it is the Champions league. I think it will be a good competition next year, the best one since a long time now.

We will win the treble.

[Hasan Rossonero]

Milan first, then Barca, then Juve and then Chelsea. Then inter. Then Real. This year the Italians have gotten much stronger, because as all the world knows, Italian teams are the best in the world, they are so good that, the prime target for the big 3 is not Serie A, it is the Champions league. I think it will be a good competition next year, the best one since a long time now.

We will win the treble.

that's the spirit...I would be happy with one, joyous with the double and euphoric with the treble.

[hitmannq8]

I think the biggest threat to Milan is themselves. Frankly, we have sort of become our own nemesis. Personally I don' think there is a better team than us in the world. Chelsea are definitely up there but if we approach games with perhaps a little less swagger and a healthy dose of pragmatism, we may well do better.

So so so soooooooooo true

I cannot see one team that can beat us when we are at our best. It is only due to the players.

[mk18]

I like the fact that Real are there twice they are going to be twice as good as last season, hence double the threat ;)

yeah i knew there was something wrong, ok u put inter in 8th and u slot arsenal in last place...


warro i know there is always a minnow club that surprises everyone but what im saying is that these are the teams that should be feared on an overall level by all teams ... small teams arent usually feared as much as those 10 ... maybe i should put lyon in there