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shevchenko_fan
09-08-2005, 08:43
maradona man then ronaldinho then sheva and kaka
MilanPerSempre
09-08-2005, 09:44
I have a lot of respect for you, but i think this thread is a bit useless, cause you started already some similar threads.
arpanmilan
09-08-2005, 09:56
they r all gr8's in their own respects. u cant compare one great player with another
please stop this kinda threads
For this thread, Shevchenko Fan. :sagrin:
What was the question again? :D
Moving this to General Football forum as well.
As for the poll...I will vote for...all four :D
Dr Milano
15-08-2005, 07:29
:sweeteye: :sweeteye: :sweeteye: :ilol: :ilol: :ilol:
sheva_lover_f
18-08-2005, 15:46
Shevchenko is the best! :5ok:
sehnsucht79
19-08-2005, 10:03
bloody useless... maradona without a doubt
Grande-Milan-DK
19-08-2005, 10:16
Maradona is far ahead of Sheva. Ronaldinho is also a long way away from Maradona.
Ohh ... Maradona was great ... just to see some old highlights is simply fantastic.
egyptian
23-08-2005, 00:47
Maradona Is The Beest But Ronaldinho Is The Best Player In The World And Sorry But Sheva Is Not Likr Ronaldinho I Think
shevchenko_fan
30-08-2005, 06:29
Maradona Is The Beest But Ronaldinho Is The Best Player In The World And Sorry But Sheva Is Not Likr Ronaldinho I Think
agree i think maradona beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeest
Roger Nolli
01-09-2005, 12:25
Maradona, of course...
slicknick
03-10-2005, 13:24
This comparo does not really make sense...
Billy_Montreal
03-10-2005, 18:10
In all fairness to Kaka, Sheva and Ronaldinho its a bit early in their careers to compare them to Maradona.
At this point...Maradona
In all fairness to Kaka, Sheva and Ronaldinho its a bit early in their careers to compare them to Maradona.
At this point...MaradonaExactly. But if Dinho will keep on doing what he's doing at the moment, he will be on top :stuckup:
slicknick
08-10-2005, 01:32
Exactly. But if Dinho will keep on doing what he's doing at the moment, he will be on top :stuckup:
I agree man, he has the skills I have never seen before on anyone. I have seen Maradona too, the two are at the very top
In all fairness to Kaka, Sheva and Ronaldinho its a bit early in their careers to compare them to Maradona.
At this point...Maradona
Right now neither Ronaldinho or Kaka' are as good as Savicevic was.
I thnik Diego cant be compared to any one, he is far away from any ordinary football player like kaka or ronaldinho or who ever, because he is simply THE GOD of football.
He scored the best goal ever, and didnt score it versus any conuntry, he scored versus england, the inventors of football, he played an entire world cup (1990) with a hurt ankle and got into the final. He was a magician with the ball and never had a bad performance on the field. I think these words are useless because everyone kows waht Maradona means and if someone thinks that actual fotball player can be compared to him, that one has no idea of what football means.
Maradooo Maradooo
o visto Maradona
o visto Maradona
oh mama inamorato so
Rayno_acm
03-11-2005, 17:24
I like the most Ricardo Kaka, cuz he is the most elegant from them all. :pr115: :respect:
But I agree, it's useless to compare them, they play in different roles, not just in different times... :grinser:
Rayno_acm
03-11-2005, 17:30
I thnik Diego cant be compared to any one, he is far away from any ordinary football player like kaka or ronaldinho or who ever, because he is simply THE GOD of football.
He scored the best goal ever, and didnt score it versus any conuntry, he scored versus england, the inventors of football, he played an entire world cup (1990) with a hurt ankle and got into the final. He was a magician with the ball and never had a bad performance on the field. I think these words are useless because everyone kows waht Maradona means and if someone thinks that actual fotball player can be compared to him, that one has no idea of what football means.
Maradooo Maradooo
o visto Maradona
o visto Maradona
oh mama inamorato so
Well, I do not agree, Pele 100% was better than Diego, Pele is the GOD of football, he is 3 times world champion (Diego is only once), and Pele had more skills than Maradona. The brazilian could play with the both legs, also with the head,but Maradona had only one good left leg, Maradona with the right leg or the head was poor picture... :rollani:
I know, you are from Argentina and it's normal to support Maradona, but the facts are that Pele was better!
MilanPerSempre
03-11-2005, 17:38
Well, I do not agree, Pele 100% was better than Diego, Pele is the GOD of football, he is 3 times world champion (Diego is only once), and Pele had more skills than Maradona. The brazilian could play with the both legs, also with the head,but Maradona had only one good left leg, Maradona with the right leg or the head was poor picture... :rollani:
I know, you are from Argentina and it's normal to support Maradona, but the facts are that Pele was better!
It's not possible to say who was better. They both played in a different period, so the style of football was also different.
In my eyes, they were both excellent footballplayers. They were both the best in their period!
Well, I do not agree, Pele 100% was better than Diego, Pele is the GOD of football, he is 3 times world champion (Diego is only once), and Pele had more skills than Maradona. The brazilian could play with the both legs, also with the head,but Maradona had only one good left leg, Maradona with the right leg or the head was poor picture... :rollani:
I know, you are from Argentina and it's normal to support Maradona, but the facts are that Pele was better!
Diego couldnt play with his head? only one good leg???? Diego is the best because he played a whole world cup with a wonded ankle, he scored the best goal ever vs England, he scored a goal with his hand vs England to ( the hand of god), he won neverything in Italy with Napoli defeating the powerfull teams of the north, and the only way they had to stop him to win the 94 world cup was that pathetic fake they made with that doping test.
slicknick
09-11-2005, 10:36
Pele and Maradona were greats, but of different ages, so I would not really compare the two. Demands of football/soccer in two different ages are radically different
ac_milan_foreva
09-11-2005, 20:21
you cant say kaka cuz he is so young and the future is in front of him. Sheva's career too is not over while ronaldinho's career is still in the begining. the only persons career path we know on the list is maradona's... so maybe in 10 years i can give you an answer to this poll..
Well, I do not agree, Pele 100% was better than Diego, Pele is the GOD of football, he is 3 times world champion (Diego is only once), and Pele had more skills than Maradona. The brazilian could play with the both legs, also with the head,but Maradona had only one good left leg, Maradona with the right leg or the head was poor picture... :rollani:
I know, you are from Argentina and it's normal to support Maradona, but the facts are that Pele was better!
hah...ur joking... maradona is the absolute GOD of football and im a jordanian!
maradona made napoli champions out of nothing... a serieB team, became champions of the worlds toughest league!!! because of 1 man!!!
pele only played in brazil, a nt so tough league! the american league doesnt count :D
becise, if you talk about world cups, Diego played in a much more harder time that Pele, Diego was beated by rival defenders every game, most remembered are South Korea in 86 and Cameroun in 90, in Pele's time there was much more space to play, while in Diego's spaces had to be created, and of course if we talk about leagues, Diego played in his best level in the Calcio where you have to make spaces, and becise you need strenght to face the toughest defenders in europe, and he beated them, he even beated Milan, oh and of course, Diego played in Boca, and he is the most loved player by La 12, and by mostn part of the world, even in the most remote places.
Brasilero brasilerooo
que amargado se te veeeeeeeee
Maradona es mas grandeeee
es mas grande que Pelé
I cant believe Maradona hasnt got every single vote. Kaka, Sheva and Ronnie arent a patch on the greatest footballer ever. Yeah, much better than Pele. Besides, I hear in Brazil they say Zico waas beter than Pele and Zico was no where near as good as Diego. I also heard in Italy they say Gunnar Nordahl is the greatest striker ever with apparently a better record than Pele. Dont know about that though.
Some brazilians say that Garrincha was much better than Pelé, Garrincha is loved by people of the favelas, but Pelé is a symbol of the football stablishment.
Rayno_acm
17-11-2005, 15:49
...maradona made napoli champions out of nothing... a serieB team, became champions of the worlds toughest league!!! because of 1 man!!!...
I wouldn't say that, Napoli also had Ciro Ferrara (Juve star), Kareka (a brazilian star), and also Gian-franco Zola... :rollani: You know, soccer/football is colective sport, wins the team, not a single player. There is and also there wasn't a player, who's able to win alone. Nobody can't win without the help of the rest of the team. :1old:
...he scored a goal with his hand vs England to ( the hand of god)...
This shows only that Maradona was a cheater :yuck: :angf: Pele wouldn't do that...I think so... :55angel: :guw:
Dr Milano
17-11-2005, 17:26
I wouldn't say that, Napoli also had Ciro Ferrara (Juve star), Kareka (a brazilian star), and also Gian-franco Zola... :rollani: You know, soccer/football is colective sport, wins the team, not a single player. There is and also there wasn't a player, who's able to win alone. Nobody can't win without the help of the rest of the team. :1old:
This shows only that Maradona was a cheater :yuck: :angf: Pele wouldn't do that...I think so... :55angel: :guw:
lol soo true he was a cheat nothing but a cheat hes a overweight cheat
Diego couldn't win a match by his own? Do you remember Argentina-Brazil in 1990? Argentina played terrible, the niggers could have won for 3 or 4 goals, but they kept missing ( Bilardo, Argentina's coach, didnt said nothing to the players in the half time, but when they were about to go out the field again he shouted ''guys please, dont give the ball anymore to the men in yellow!!!!''), in the second half Diego got the ball, passed 3 or 4 brazilians and gave a great pass to Caniggia who scored the final 1-0, that game Maradona won it by his self.
And cheater??? cheating on who? on the english pirates?? who stoles from a thief is forgiven, and becise Shilton didnt saw Diego's hand, it was Fenwick who saw it, but the important is the referee didnt saw it, so the hand didnt exist.
Diego couldn't win a match by his own? Do you remember Argentina-Brazil in 1990? Argentina played terrible, the niggers could have won for 3 or 4 goals, but they kept missing ( Bilardo, Argentina's coach, didnt said nothing to the players in the half time, but when they were about to go out the field again he shouted ''guys please, dont give the ball anymore to the men in yellow!!!!''), in the second half Diego got the ball, passed 3 or 4 brazilians and gave a great pass to Caniggia who scored the final 1-0, that game Maradona won it by his self.
And cheater??? cheating on who? on the english pirates?? who stoles from a thief is forgiven, and becise Shilton didnt saw Diego's hand, it was Fenwick who saw it, but the important is the referee didnt saw it, so the hand didnt exist.
haha... thats a funny joke.. why are u naming people?! thats plain rude! u got time to appologize or edit the post and i think u should do so.
having alot of love for ur country but calling other nationalities names is only shameful!
No need for the N word, would you have the guts to say that to seedorf :nasty: With an attitude like yours, no wonder there is beef between Brazil and Argentina.
People talk about that handball, but has anyne seen the skill before it or the best goal ever in a world cup in the same game by maradona. Maradona was just too good for England that day, handball or not
sorry if the word nigger sounds despective, but i didnt know it will be offending, here in Argentina we use the word (negro in spanish) in many ways, but is not a racist term, we can say to some one we love or a friend ''negro'', even if he is white as snow. Well i guess some expressions cant be translated, well, im sorry who ever i ofended.
Back to Maradona theme, what ever you like it or not, Diego is greatest football player ever.
Behind him there are a lot of players that han been great too, but have no comparing like Di Stefano, Pelé, Platini, Baggio, etc.
i think that if baggio chose his clubs wisely he might have become better than maradona
Baggio is retired..isnt he?
yes, his last game was for brescia vs milan at the san siro, everyone gave him a standing ovation when he left!
i love him, hes a legend!
if he is retired when is he going to become better than maradona?
i think that if baggio chose his clubs wisely he might have become better than maradona
You cant really get much better than Fiorentina, Juve and Milan. Besides Juve would never have preferred Del Piero over Maradona.
slicknick
19-11-2005, 22:40
Besides Juve would never have preferred Del Piero over Maradona.
I agree...
But then again Del Piero was a very promisin g player before he got injured. He is stilla good palyer but everybody thought he would be the next best thing. And that's why he replaced Baggio!
slicknick
21-11-2005, 13:17
sorry if the word nigger sounds despective, but i didnt know it will be offending
The N word is very derogatory, now you know not to use it again ;)
Anyway, back to Maradona, he was way more than a cheat, A TRUE LEGEND, so I think you are being unfair to him, Dr. Milano...
Stezagud
21-11-2005, 13:39
People talk about that handball, but has anyne seen the skill before it or the best goal ever in a world cup in the same game by maradona. Maradona was just too good for England that day, handball or not
Without the handball it was a 1-1 draw, so while it can be said that his individual skill matched England, it was his cheating that surpassed us.
I still rate him as the best ever though, Pele has the world cup record but domestically is hard to prove, Best never got to show his talents on the world stage, same with Di Stefano. Maradona is proven both domestically and Internationally.
Rayno_acm
21-11-2005, 13:56
Diego couldn't win a match by his own? Do you remember Argentina-Brazil in 1990? Argentina played terrible, the niggers could have won for 3 or 4 goals, but they kept missing ( Bilardo, Argentina's coach, didnt said nothing to the players in the half time, but when they were about to go out the field again he shouted ''guys please, dont give the ball anymore to the men in yellow!!!!''), in the second half Diego got the ball, passed 3 or 4 brazilians and gave a great pass to Caniggia who scored the final 1-0, that game Maradona won it by his self...
I'll again disagree with you. You said that he "gave a great to Caniggia, who scored the final 1-0"... What would happened if Claudio had missed that opportunity??? Maradona would loose the game or something, I guess... :1d31: :rotfl: Do not regret Caniggia, after all HE SCORED that goal, not Maradona...If you again are not able to understand me, than I'm saying that ARGENTINA won that game, not only Maradona.
Look, I'm not saying that Maradona wasn't great, he was, but he WASN'T "the greatest"!!! Nobody denies that in that game (vs England) he scored very beautiful goal, but I've seen a lot of goals like this, even 2 days ago Ronaldinho scored 2 wonderful goals vs Real Madrid!!! :pr115:
In 1996 George Weah scored that kinda goal vs Verona!!! :pr115: :pr115: :pr115: :rone: The difference is only that Maradona scored in the World Cup tournament...
ohh that's a small difference.....
Lets see all the things that have been said here about the greatest football player ever:
cheat
lol soo true he was a cheat nothing but a cheat hes a overweight cheat
that is sacrilegy to football.
some others have said that some players,for exmple Del Piero, could have been better.
No player will ever be an inch of the great he was.
Without the handball it was a 1-1 draw, so while it can be said that his individual skill matched England, it was his cheating that surpassed us.
You say that because like all english you are still completely mad about that game and the way Diego beated you, and that handball was just part of his magic, nobody (not even your golkeeper, Shilton) was sure that he had touch it with his hand untill he confesed it.
I'll again disagree with you. You said that he "gave a great to Caniggia, who scored the final 1-0"... What would happened if Claudio had missed that opportunity??? Maradona would loose the game or something, I guess... Do not regret Caniggia, after all HE SCORED that goal, not Maradona...If you again are not able to understand me, than I'm saying that ARGENTINA won that game, not only Maradona.
Look, I'm not saying that Maradona wasn't great, he was, but he WASN'T "the greatest"!!! Nobody denies that in that game (vs England) he scored very beautiful goal, but I've seen a lot of goals like this, even 2 days ago Ronaldinho scored 2 wonderful goals vs Real Madrid!!!
If we didnt had Diego, we would have lost that match, the whole team was a disaster that day, the only one that shined was Diego.
He wasnt the greatest?? tell me one , just one player better or like him, just one.
And please, comparing the greatest goal ever, not only for its beauty, for its technice, but for its meaning, it was beating the englishh, the inventors of football, it was the revenge for the 66 cup, it was beating the pirates that stole our islands, it was beating the war criminals who sank a ship that was out of the exclusion zone with 900 of our young boys (non of them with more than 19 years) that had no idea of what war was, that is not the sense of football, but that's what it was for us, even if it was just a little thing compared to what they did to us. You cant compare anything to that, Diego is more than a football player, he is a symbol, he is magic, sorry if some people has no blood on his veines, but for peple like us, used to suffer everyday, football becomes the only thing that makes us forget about all that, and Diego gave to us the greatest moments of joy in our history, and nothing can be compared to that.
Stezagud
22-11-2005, 10:30
You say that because like all english you are still completely mad about that game and the way Diego beated you, and that handball was just part of his magic, nobody (not even your golkeeper, Shilton) was sure that he had touch it with his hand untill he confesed it.
Yes, i am English, but that doesnt change the fact that it was a blatant handball that decided the game :rolleyes: Is it even worth pointing out that you only consider it magic because you are Argentine?
As for the response you gave to Raymo, if you want to moan about war criminals then blame your fascist junta leadership of the time....stick to the football, thats what we're here for.
Rayno_acm
22-11-2005, 13:18
If we didnt had Diego, we would have lost that match, the whole team was a disaster that day, the only one that shined was Diego.
He wasnt the greatest?? tell me one , just one player better or like him, just one.
And please, comparing the greatest goal ever, not only for its beauty, for its technice, but for its meaning, it was beating the englishh, the inventors of football, it was the revenge for the 66 cup, it was beating the pirates that stole our islands, it was beating the war criminals who sank a ship that was out of the exclusion zone with 900 of our young boys (non of them with more than 19 years) that had no idea of what war was, that is not the sense of football, but that's what it was for us, even if it was just a little thing compared to what they did to us. You cant compare anything to that, Diego is more than a football player, he is a symbol, he is magic, sorry if some people has no blood on his veines, but for peple like us, used to suffer everyday, football becomes the only thing that makes us forget about all that, and Diego gave to us the greatest moments of joy in our history, and nothing can be compared to that.
I see you still can't understand me... :rollani:
Firstly, I had the feeling that we talked about ONLY football! I see you don't love England, but you can't deny that NOONE of the english players had any relationship with this unfair war(all the wars are unfair!!!), so it's not fair to blame somebody only because he is English...
Secondly, about scoring vs England, this do not mean anything, being the inventor doesn't mean that you are the best! Right? ;) Weah scored his similar goal (September 1996, 1st round of 1996/1997) vs Verona(Italian team, if I'm not wrong... ;) ).
What about the game Brazil - Argentina (1990), if your keeper wasn't so good, even 3 Maradonas couldn't save Argentina, the brazilians missed soooooo many opportunities...That's why I'm saying that in this game won Argentina, not only Maradona.
What about naming a player, better than Maradona? I already did it, this is Pele, he was better and he won more than Diego. :cool:
Let's say it like that, Diego was the greatest Argentinian! ;)
you are just people with no heart.
Rayno_acm
22-11-2005, 17:57
you are just people with no heart.
It's not fair what you said!!! :finger:
What do you want, becouse of that stupid war to say that every argentinian is the best, the greatest or what??? Do you know how many are the wars in the world???
The wars should be forgotten, you don't have to live with them...
And believe me, I have a heart, and it is red&black :rone: :3band:
War or no war Maradonna was the best. You can talk about any player you want, you can compare any modern day player to him. BUT I bet they will play for a better team than the Napoli team Maradona played for. Then before the 1994 WC he was clubless, but still came to the world cup as fit and as good as anyone else.
When Zidane was at his peak, some people started comparing him to Diego. You dont hear anyone doing that now that he is showing signs of aging.
The only reason he isnt hyped up as much as Pele by Fifa is because they dont want a little fat coke-head as the symbol of football.
Thats s right, they want an idiot who's son is a drug dealer
red-black-love
26-11-2005, 03:29
all are really great players.. but i don't think a comparision would be suitable.. personally i prefer kaka and sheva.. reason is simple as that, they now play for milan! :D
becise, if you talk about world cups, Diego played in a much more harder time that Pele, Diego was beated by rival defenders every game, most remembered are South Korea in 86 and Cameroun in 90, in Pele's time there was much more space to play, while in Diego's spaces had to be created, and of course if we talk about leagues, Diego played in his best level in the Calcio where you have to make spaces, and becise you need strenght to face the toughest defenders in europe, and he beated them, he even beated Milan, oh and of course, Diego played in Boca, and he is the most loved player by La 12, and by mostn part of the world, even in the most remote places.
Brasilero brasilerooo
que amargado se te veeeeeeeee
Maradona es mas grandeeee
es mas grande que Pelé
i dont think u can put that in an argument...
u cant put maradona in peles time and visa versa, and the WC during maradonas time wasnt harder than those during peles time, thats just stupid... theyre all equally hard and what u just said only helps those who say pele is the best, pele has won more WCs than maradona... some say this some say that.. i think its easily maradona but these arguments are just pointless IMO :)
Well I wasnt going to vote on this because I didnt want to feel that I prefer any of these players over another. But I ended up doing so and voted for Sheva for one important reason... that is, he plays for Milan and to me that is my football world. Yes there are the greats that exist outside my boundary but I have a Football covenant with Milan and thus I had no other choice but to choose Sheva.
MK18: watch any video of Pelé and youll see that nobody gives him a mark, nobody hits him.
Now see any match of Maradona and you ll see that every defender or midfielder tries to hurt him with tough kikcs.
That is a difference.
Maradona is actually the most fouled player in any world cup. That is a fact.
I dont know if "Pele's worldcups" were easier, but he cetainly played in a better team. Possibly the best ever national side.
Oh and you two seem to agree that Diego is the best so why argue over why hes the best :)
were not arguing, im just telling him that his argument isnt valid...
fouled or not, u cant chose whose better based on that, its like saying maradona had better chances to shoot than pele did therefore its a disadvantage to pele.
Stezagud
27-11-2005, 07:23
Little bit of fouling info, Pele only actually played in 2 games in the 62 and 66 World Cups, he missed the rest after being fouled so badly he couldnt play on, so it seems the defenders werent giving him that much room afterall....
i think this discussion has no sense, they where both great, Diego and Pelé. I have to admit Pelé did great things, only that for my age, things Diego did are so much close to my history, becise im argntinian but first than argentinian i am supporter of Boca and for us Diego is god on earth. They both are unlikely, there will never be any one as good s them, but everyone's opinion about who was the best can be different, but this discussion about ''Maradona or Pelé'' is pointless, i think it will be better just to enjoy what they left in football history.
i think this discussion has no sense, they where both great, Diego and Pelé. I have to admit Pelé did great things, only that for my age, things Diego did are so much close to my history, becise im argntinian but first than argentinian i am supporter of Boca and for us Diego is god on earth. They both are unlikely, there will never be any one as good s them, but everyone's opinion about who was the best can be different, but this discussion about ''Maradona or Pelé'' is pointless, i think it will be better just to enjoy what they left in football history.
2 words: true dat!
2 words: true dat!
No ur both wrong, lets carry n arguing :diablo: Only joking :coffee:
Has anyone got any Maradona videos, its been too long :)
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