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devoted_dm

11-04-2006, 07:24

And I'm happy, because I think Prodi will make a much better PM for Italy. However, the point of this thread is: Do you think this will have an effect on Milan?

I mean, with Berlusconi out of the political circus, do you think he will invest more time (and perhaps money) in Milan? The club has been doing really well in the last couple of years, but there's always room for improvement. Or could this have an adverse effect on the club? Galliani has been doing a great job at running the club, so maybe it wouldn't be all that great if Berlu assumed more control over Milan.

Or will it simply be business as usual at Milan, that the result of the election won't affect the club at all?

Georgian

11-04-2006, 08:18

I do not think that it will really affect the club, berlusconi still has his money with him, and also his contacts and influence pretty much, so let the prodi work on italian laws.
do not really care, now if agnelli family would take over italian politics that could make difference"))but in this case does not really matter.

Giovanni

11-04-2006, 08:23

Prodi's government will last at best 1 year. he's a ridiculous advantadge of 3 senators at Senate (to govern properly you need 20-30 senators more than opposition at least) and at house of representatives he will have to cope with his coalition's wide range of different ideas.

In Italy stronger government didn't last. Wait the first serious reforms and this government won't be able to govern. A confirm? Look at the financial markets. They don't believe this is a strong government (how can it be, with a win of 25.000 votes over 60 millions of inhabitants). For 2-3 senators we avoided STALEMATE, which would have meant new elections or an a-political government and transitional phase.

Btw, i watched some BBC coverage of the elections: i had an higher opinion of BBC, their biased coverage was sickening and it seems to me that British media in general are rubbish.

To reply your point, i don't think this would affect our club, if not for the fact that nobody could say again we win because our president is Italian PM. But if Silvio will come back part time managing Milan's businesses we could once again get in a Gold Era like in the past, even though this would mean less power for Galliani and the staff as well.

Kui

11-04-2006, 09:25

Well aside from his political beliefs, I doubt anyone really knows what it really is, he did administer the Italian govt longer than any previous administration since the 1945.
The financial market didnt go either way over here in USA looking at the charts here. It was basically a normal monday morning trading session. Right now at 10:15 am Eastern Coast Time (USA) Tuesday's trading is not reacting at all to the election results.
Gio... is the tallying finalized or is there a recount as we speak??? The NasDaq trading streamers is sayimg that this is a minority govt that will be formed. I think I might be the only one really paying attention to that bit of news here.
Now I dont know Prodi but I'm certain that if he is a socialist, I would most certainly disagree with many of his policies. Giving the benefit of doubt, it is unfortunate that this would put his soon to be formed govt in a delicate situation. Not to criticize as we have the same kind of problems here too. Hopefully he governs by rule of law and principle rather than partisan and the perjorative "political" payback and infighting. If so we may well see our President Berlusconi behind bars as a political payback. Then he'd for sure not be involved in our club affairs as much as some of would hope.

devoted_dm

11-04-2006, 10:50

If so we may well see our President Berlusconi behind bars as a political payback. Then he'd for sure not be involved in our club affairs as much as some of would hope.

That's actually something I've been thinking about. What would we do then? Would this mean no more money for Milan (yes, I admit that I'm cynical - I'm just thinking about the club here)?

Giovanni

11-04-2006, 10:52

Prodi is just a frontman without a real Party behind him. He is the moderate front man of a more leftist coalition. The extreme lefwing is increasing here and getting more power in the future government. They have more than 10%. This is worrying.Prodi is a lacklustre character than already failed in 1996. His government lasted 2 years and he had more stability than now.
With this tight votes, prepare to see a new government within 1- 2 years. Mark my words.

Btw let's keep the politics apart for a while.

Stezagud

11-04-2006, 10:56

Btw, i watched some BBC coverage of the elections: i had an higher opinion of BBC, their biased coverage was sickening and it seems to me that British media in general are rubbish.

The beeb are completely independant and funded by the public (we have to pay a license fee to watch TV :eek: ) so in theory they are completely unbiased. Unfortunately the theory doesnt take some things into account, Britain was run by the Thatchers conservatives (centre-right) for 18 years from 1979 and over the course of that time the Labour opposition was often so useless that it fell to the media to become an alternative opposition...This means that they employed more left leaning young journalists 20-30 years ago, and of course since then many of them have risen to the top and now make the decisions :rolleyes:

rahul.acm

11-04-2006, 10:57

although he has demanded for a recount, but usually recounts don't favor losers!

we as far as his connection with our club:

if he sacks ancelotti, i'll hire a *** to ***** him :r14: :5horse:

hopefully i does not affect our club in any way. i wouldn't even prefer his extra participation in the club affairs as he is jobless now! :devs:

Giovanni

11-04-2006, 11:00

The beeb are completely independant and funded by the public (we have to pay a license fee to watch TV :eek: ) so in theory they are completely unbiased. Unfortunately the theory doesnt take some things into account, Britain was run by the Thatchers conservatives (centre-right) for 18 years from 1979 and over the course of that time the Labour opposition was often so useless that it fell to the media to become an alternative opposition...This means that they employed more left leaning young journalists 20-30 years ago, and of course since then many of them have risen to the top and now make the decisions :rolleyes:
it was BBC international though

They tried all the best to put Berlusconi in shame, interviewing baised characters without any balancer between the different opinions, talking a lot of rubbish and manipulating facts or hiding other truly crucial which were shot on every Italian tv in the same moment, like the stalemate at the Senate (just mentioned) which meant the possible draw of elections.

These journalists were once again proved wrong by the half of Italian people who don't accept any patronising suggestion or manipulation over its own business and refuse proudly any break into its own sovereignty from biased medias

mrki

11-04-2006, 11:41

Dear Silvio, just come back to Milanello and we can once again dominate like in Sacci era. Galliani needs some help around here. Also ,Agnielli famili has gone out of control with all those scudettos.... :(

Hasan Rossonero

11-04-2006, 17:27

If so we may well see our President Berlusconi behind bars as a political payback. Then he'd for sure not be involved in our club affairs as much as some of would hope.

I thought about this as well...however Berlusconi has had several cases and accusations thrown his way in the last 20 yrs. He is now 70 and he is a survivor.

Furthermore he has even groomed his son to take over his empire.

I think the best thing that Prodi could do for Italy is realign the country with France and Germany and not the United States. However, I think Gio is right...Prodi will not last more than two years.

I think our club will be run the way it always has been in the past twenty years or so.

Thoughts?

mk18

11-04-2006, 17:37

as long as milan keep winning, im more than happy, politically, berlu was a D!ck to arabs (more acuratly to the palestinian/iraqi and even afghani cases - but then again, hes italian, and im not surprised by his actions toward us given that his job is to make italy better which i have no idea about, i do think that im bit surprised not to see italy's name in europe as big as France or Germanys for example, i feel italy could be in a much better position, but then again i know very little about whats going on there.

goodluck to italy, forza italia

rahul.acm

11-04-2006, 17:51

zlatanov

11-04-2006, 18:10

Don't worry about possibly seeing Berlusconi behind bars as some sort of a political scheme against him. Truth is that politicians keep each other's backs and don't put their "enemies" behind bars for next time the current incriminators will end up at the wrong end of another political vendeta. Just imagine what would happen to Prodi or his comrades next time Silvio or one of his entrusted "right hands" comes to power ... it's just a vicious circle that goes around and in the end there would be no guilty "parties", as usual.
Plus, I am sure Prodi himself has his "reasons" to not be very willing to attract the court's or the people's attention on his dealings. Staying quiet and looking the other way is usually the best tactics in such cases ;)

Egoistka

11-04-2006, 18:49

I think berlusconi would win this election if he didnt say that only idiots can vote for Prodi...I think such expression would put me against him on the place of some people for sure...And also his behaviour on TV live show...
I dont like Prodi at all...i may be mistaken and he is a good man, but I just dont like his face...

Georgian

12-04-2006, 00:24

it was BBC international though

They tried all the best to put Berlusconi in shame, interviewing baised characters without any balancer between the different opinions, talking a lot of rubbish and manipulating facts or hiding other truly crucial which were shot on every Italian tv in the same moment, like the stalemate at the Senate (just mentioned) which meant the possible draw of elections.

These journalists were once again proved wrong by the half of Italian people who don't accept any patronising suggestion or manipulation over its own business and refuse proudly any break into its own sovereignty from biased medias
which is trustable internet source to read about elections, prodi etc... ??

Kui

13-04-2006, 06:18

I think the best thing that Prodi could do for Italy is realign the country with France and Germany and not the United States. However, I think Gio is right...Prodi will not last more than two years.

I think our club will be run the way it always has been in the past twenty years or so.

Thoughts?

Prodi has already started to pucker the US's a$$. Believe me this shocked me when it came from the horse's mouth! As far as realignment with France and Germany... on Iraq that is understandable and pragmatic. As far as employment... boy oh boy, that's a problem!

You know I've been to Italy many times. What impressed me was the zeal for private ownership and business. Unfortunately the business acumen was not really at its best. Everything was CASH, CASH, CASH... no credit card or traveller's checks. It came to me like a revelation! The socialist way for so many years drains them of the fruits of hard work in ownership. With Cash only there really is no paper trail to declare anything as taxable. After years of dealing with a heavily taxed system I cant blame any Italian business insisting on cash only. It has made good and honest owners look shady when their really not and the shady one's hard to sniff out in the crowd. I fondly recall when seeking the advice of a very friendly old Italian man on what to do and see, "HIDE YOUR MONEY!" was the first lesson he taught me. Sucks when you're a customer but I dont blame any of these honest mom & pop resturants, stores and hotel accomodation businesses for doing this. With very friendly and hard working shop/business owners abound in such a beautiful country, the socialist way serves them in the worse way. They deserve better.

rae

13-04-2006, 13:03

AS13

13-04-2006, 13:09

Thank's to God, Berlusca lost the election!!!

mk18

13-04-2006, 16:06

I take a look at list of both coalitions and I was disguisted... how the hell there could be a communist party participating nowadays in democratic elections!? :wth: and it is not the only one... there are two of them :yuck:

I can not conceive why this movement is not prohibited till now... can anyone recall what the sh!te they have done to our world...
rae, we all know what your country has gone through, with communism n everything, and im sorry to hear that, but there are people here who could be pro-communist and it could be offending for them... so please show some respect

communism may have failed, but to be honest i dont find capitalism any better!

rae

13-04-2006, 17:20

but there are people here who could be pro-communist and it could be offending for them... so please show some respect :googly:

so you could say that respect should be shown to nazis too... and to all kind of criminals...

:doh: communism may have failed, but to be honest i dont find capitalism any better!I could only laugh of your statment, nothin else

Giovanni

14-04-2006, 02:15

Btw although the votes are being recounted, it's fair Prodi governs Italy. They set they electoral champaign on the supposed Berlusconi's failure.
I think now they will found out what govern a country means after 11/9. They will face a probable crisis with Iran and they will cope with loads of eternal italian problems, problems that Berlusconi tried to solve, at least in part with a flexible law for the employment for ex. (very different from the French situation although the BBC didn't bother to make a deep comparison)

With a tight prevalence in one of the two chambers this will be a dramatic task , and being these issues so important any big decision or reform will mean a possible crisis for the government.