View Full Version : Livorno - AC Milan , September 24
The game is three days away from us .. so give your coments about the game
it won't be easy but we need to keep up winning last year as i remeber we won both games as visitors and in San Siro.
My prefered formation would be :
----------Dida-------------
-Cafu--Simic--Maldini-Janku
----------Pirlo-------------
--Gattuso--------Seedorf--
----------Kaka'------------
------Inzaghi-----Gila*-----
*if he can play , if not Oliveira
Gattuso should be in first 11 in this game , and if Pippo/Gila use the great passes that Kaka' gives them every game we will win :p017: , let's see what you think about the game !
This will be a tough match and quite physical i think, at least as tough as the Parma match, so we need another concentrated effort.
I would possibly play Brocchi instead of Seedorf and start with Oliveira. Just to give us more pace and more aggression in the middle.
Hi IKED : )-
For this game I would preffer:
Like this, Marek droping down to play with Kaladze behind Pirlos back:
------R.O.--------Pippo
------------Kaka
-Marek-------------Rinno G.
--------Andrea P.
Maldini--Kaladze--Simic--Cafu
Reason (it'll just be a moment to explain): I believe that when Nesta comes back to partner Kaladze in defense, we could add Janku to their partnership in a way that with Maldini @ LB) Kaladze has more freedom to go forward, giving Janku someone to play with. Get it??
That would really solidify our left side (defense-evely, spl :hangover: ), and we would have:
1) Janku as a wing back type of mF with space to go forward in position where he doesnt need to run down the whole pitch to be infront of goal
2) Janku and Kaladze able to form a parthership - Kaladze can be the one to put more pressure on teams so they have to back of Pirlo - so he can moove even more forward and put even more pressure on the other team
3) At the same time we would have a very solid d-fens that would be y2k7 compliant (aka when Maldini retires):-
This would kindof disrupt the Pirlo space however.... :sigh: However, he can play in front of the Janku-Kaladze pair effectively double-ing our creative options. He can just stand there as a deterent (what a word - - :love: ) and if need be (the two are pressed to hard) he can fall back and help. Hmm... then he would be a true DEFENSIVe mF : )--
As for Seedorf I would moove him to partner Gourcuff and Kaka @ AMC or play mF-L in some variaton of the XMAss Tree..
So you're basically saying that when Kaladze brings the ball out from the back, Maldini will tuck in to make it a 3 man defence and Kaladze will make it a 5 man midfield.
Well..in a nutshell, yes :)
My formation, but we need to see who is the situation in Milanello....
dida-jankulovski-nesta-kaladze-bonera-pirlo-gattuso-seedorf-gourcuff-oliveira-pippo.
The only thing that worries me is that Carlo might put Ambrosini-Gattuso with Seedorf and Gourcuff/Kaka' and then we will have some big problems creating in attack, and might loose precious points that we really need.
One thing that concerns me is Kaka's tiredness. Injuries stopped us from resting him in the Parma match and he mentioned how tired he was after the Ascoli game. So playing him again Saturday evening and more than likely again in the CL on Tuesday evening is alot to ask for. Players shouldn't be tired at this point in the season, but we don't want to wear him out so quickly.
I'd leave him out of this match as i think we will need him more against Lille.
pece4ever
21-09-2006, 12:26
my best 11 for Livorno game are:
---------------------- Dida ----------------------
Bonera ------- Simic ------- Kaladze ------- Janku
--------------------- Pirlo -----------------------
--------- Ambrosini ---------- Seedorf -----------
-------------------- Gourcuff --------------------
------------- Pippo ---------- Oliveira ------------
We need to rest Kaka, Cafu, Maldini for CL game against Lille. Am sure that Livorno are strong squad but with strong midfield play i think we could win, no we will win 2:0. Livorno play 2:2 i think this wednesday with Caglari who are not some kind a stron team, so we have nothing to afraid about this sathurday and we move up on table with 4 points.
Good Luck.
SIAMO FOSSE DEI LEONI
FORZA MILAN, MILAN, MILAN
CAMPEONI 2006/07
:5schal:
Warro Bantan
21-09-2006, 14:42
I like your team, peace4ever, but I am not sure that Carlo would play Gourcuff in the AM position, rather than Seedorf...though, who knows?
Surely only Carlo at this point.
Not sure I will be able to see this game (have a "river feast" to go to)
so I will look forward to your "reports" to describe the match for me!
FORZA MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILAN!!!
THE GAME BETWEN LIVORNO AND AC MILAN IS GOING TO BE PLAYED ON SEPTEMBER 23 , 18:00
Jamie :hangover:
I disagree about Cagliari not being a strong team, they have Pepe, Esposito (who looks to be returning to form) and of course Suazo up front.
All away matches in the Serie A are tough, but as always we expect a win. The thing is this match is being played before our most difficult tie in the Champions League group, the away match against Lille - this could make the match a bit more tricky. I expect this lineup:
Dida - Bonera, Simic, Costacurta, Jankulovski - Gattuso, Ambrosini, Seedorf - Kaka - Oliveira, Gilardino.
kastriot
21-09-2006, 17:08
I think we can play Kaka now and rest him for the game aginst lille, wich I find not to be as important as Livorno game,Guys do you see howe empty the stadium is, I`ve never seen San Siro that empty, can someone tell me if the problem is lack of interest or fans are in a way protesting smth,sorry bit of topic???But I`m really worried about this issue.
pece4ever
21-09-2006, 17:17
ok warro i will try to give all the report from sathurday game
FORZA MILAN
pece4ever
21-09-2006, 17:28
JIM cagliari have a biggest chance for relegation this season, if you ask me Cagliari will be the first team going seria B. Livorno is other storie, they have team for respect and players like Lucchareli, Bakayoko and good defence, so if you comparate Cagliari and Livorno you will find what i wanted to say.
FORZA MILAN
MILAN MILAN MILAN
CAMPEONI
:5schal:
Bosniaco
21-09-2006, 21:43
my best 11 for Livorno game are:
---------------------- Dida ----------------------
Bonera ------- Simic ------- Kaladze ------- Janku
--------------------- Pirlo -----------------------
--------- Ambrosini ---------- Seedorf -----------
-------------------- Gourcuff --------------------
------------- Pippo ---------- Oliveira ------------
I like this pormation just a slite change, if Seedorf can play in place of Ambro I would get Janku in, and Sergio in for Janku as leftback.
rosoneri_11
22-09-2006, 02:58
were is kaka?did you forget him?And wat is goin on with nesta?
pece4ever
22-09-2006, 04:27
no we didn't forget kaka and nesta, i say they must rest for CL game, so why i chose this 11 strong midfield, quick attack with R.O and alwais in chance Pippo for difence i don't have to say anything. this will be the real squad for Livorno and easy win with 2:0.
FORZA MIALN
MILAN MILAN MILAN
CAMPEONI 2006/07
:devs:
I would argue that Cagliari won't be the first team to be relegated to Serie B, the strikers/attacker i mentioned are just as good if not better than those of Livorno. I do agree however that Livorno are the more combative side. Only time will tell though.
lked, you saying i'm a drunk? a zombie? :rotfl:
savage_mau
22-09-2006, 05:23
dida
Bonera Nesta Kaladze Janku
Pirlo
Gattu Seedorf
Pippo Oliveira
pece4ever
22-09-2006, 06:03
yep Jim only the time will through
can't wait to make it +4
:w221:
dida
Bonera Nesta Kaladze Janku
Pirlo
Gattu Seedorf
Pippo Oliveira
With this team i think we can make a good rehearsal for Lille
this will be a tough match
zlatanov
22-09-2006, 07:23
With this team i think we can make a good rehearsal for Lille
this will be a tough match
true, especially when you play with a man down from the 1st minute ;)
being so tough on ourselves, obviously, we arent underestimating Lille :grinser:
Now i see that Kaka is missing there
But even if we play like that we still can win both matches :)
kastriot
22-09-2006, 08:29
Guys I said previously,Am I the only one that thinks that Livorno game is more important than Lille game, ofcourse a game is a game and we should take nothing lightly, but if we need to rest players, we might aswell rest them in the CL games were the qualification place is sure, wheres in Serie A we are 8 points down. And Livorno was the team that gave us headache in the past.Everybody knows that its hard to play away with them, and if you think that we will win this game with half of our strength,you are wrong!
IMO this is gonna be tougher than Parma game.
zlatanov
22-09-2006, 08:50
we'll be just fine, don't worry. Carlo has been rotating the squad and, unlike previous years when we relied on 12-13 players, no that number is up to 23-24 i.e. the whole squad, and with very few exceptions, the players have repaid his faith.
My point is that if we field Simic over Nesta, or Gourcuff over Kaka, or Brocchi over Gattuso, that doesnt mean that we're fiedling a weaker squad or that we are underestimating Livorno, all it means is that Milan has 24 players and not just 12-13.
Furthermore, at this relatively early stage of our preparation - and our summer training was disrupted by the CL preliminary games - the players aren't at 100% match fitness so playing in a Wedn-Sun cycle will drain them out very quickly. That's another reason why Carlo is rotating the squad and tries to make sure that as few players as possible have to play two games in a row.
As for which game is more important, there is no doubt for me that this is the CL one. Yes, we do have to overcome an 8 pt deficit in Seire A but it's a long, long season and we will have many chances to make up for any mistakes we might end up committing now ... with only 6 games in CL groups, the situation there is dif, plus, we have always given priority to European glory.
And if we do ensure early qualification, we would be able to rest certain players ... and that's about the time when the games with Inter, Roma and Palermo are scheduled for. Resting players NOW is not equivalen to what I just said since we risk making our lives in CL unncessary complex and face the possibility of having to commit our strength on CL when we would be playing direct games with the other favourites in Serie A.
Nesta and Kaladze are now fit, and I do agree this match is more important than Lille away match. Up front there will be Pippo-Oliveira, Gila will play against Lille. Bonera on the right, and Marek on the left. Pirlo-Gattuso-Seedorf, and kaka/Gourcuff as an AM. thats it.
The game will be tough as Livrno is doing really good this year, we need to play better than against Parma and Ascoli.
Nesta needs to play to get match fit. Serginho is not in squad.
I'd go for:
Dida
Bonera, Nesta, Kala, Janku
Pirlo
Ambro, Gourcuff
Seedorf
Pippo, Oliveira
Subs of Rino, Paolo, & Gila, and a 2-0 win for MILAN.
pece4ever
22-09-2006, 10:15
we'll be just fine, don't worry. Carlo has been rotating the squad and, unlike previous years when we relied on 12-13 players, no that number is up to 23-24 i.e. the whole squad, and with very few exceptions, the players have repaid his faith.
My point is that if we field Simic over Nesta, or Gourcuff over Kaka, or Brocchi over Gattuso, that doesnt mean that we're fiedling a weaker squad or that we are underestimating Livorno, all it means is that Milan has 24 players and not just 12-13.
Furthermore, at this relatively early stage of our preparation - and our summer training was disrupted by the CL preliminary games - the players aren't at 100% match fitness so playing in a Wedn-Sun cycle will drain them out very quickly. That's another reason why Carlo is rotating the squad and tries to make sure that as few players as possible have to play two games in a row.
As for which game is more important, there is no doubt for me that this is the CL one. Yes, we do have to overcome an 8 pt deficit in Seire A but it's a long, long season and we will have many chances to make up for any mistakes we might end up committing now ... with only 6 games in CL groups, the situation there is dif, plus, we have always given priority to European glory.
And if we do ensure early qualification, we would be able to rest certain players ... and that's about the time when the games with Inter, Roma and Palermo are scheduled for. Resting players NOW is not equivalen to what I just said since we risk making our lives in CL unncessary complex and face the possibility of having to commit our strength on CL when we would be playing direct games with the other favourites in Serie A.
yep Zlatanov you are totaly right, we alwais give more in CL thats why we are the best europen team with most titules.
So this two games will make us problems but i think we will win those and contunue this run
FORZA MILAN
MILAN MILAN MILAN
CAMPEONI 2006/07
From acmilan.com:
SQUAD FOR LIVORNO
9/22/2006
GOALKEEPERS: Dida, Kalac e Fiori.
DEFENDERS: Maldini; Cafu, Kaladze, Nesta, Jankulovski, Favalli, Bonera. MIDFIELDERS: Gattuso, Seedorf, Gourcuff, Pirlo, Kaką, Ambrosini, Brocchi. STRIKERS: Gilardino, Inzaghi, Ricardo Oliveira.
kastriot
22-09-2006, 10:33
we'll be just fine, don't worry. Carlo has been rotating the squad and, unlike previous years when we relied on 12-13 players, no that number is up to 23-24 i.e. the whole squad, and with very few exceptions, the players have repaid his faith.
My point is that if we field Simic over Nesta, or Gourcuff over Kaka, or Brocchi over Gattuso, that doesnt mean that we're fiedling a weaker squad or that we are underestimating Livorno, all it means is that Milan has 24 players and not just 12-13.
Furthermore, at this relatively early stage of our preparation - and our summer training was disrupted by the CL preliminary games - the players aren't at 100% match fitness so playing in a Wedn-Sun cycle will drain them out very quickly. That's another reason why Carlo is rotating the squad and tries to make sure that as few players as possible have to play two games in a row.
As for which game is more important, there is no doubt for me that this is the CL one. Yes, we do have to overcome an 8 pt deficit in Seire A but it's a long, long season and we will have many chances to make up for any mistakes we might end up committing now ... with only 6 games in CL groups, the situation there is dif, plus, we have always given priority to European glory.
And if we do ensure early qualification, we would be able to rest certain players ... and that's about the time when the games with Inter, Roma and Palermo are scheduled for. Resting players NOW is not equivalen to what I just said since we risk making our lives in CL unncessary complex and face the possibility of having to commit our strength on CL when we would be playing direct games with the other favourites in Serie A.
Zlat, with 8 points down we can aford at most 3-4 games not to take all three points, and we 35 games left 18 of wich are away,and if you think think were gonna win everything this year, once again you`re wrong. We are gonna have some slips in the way to the scudetto, thats why this game and every other in Searie A is important.And I`m happy we have 24 players to rotate this year, but dont forget that we didnt play gret last two games, and strong teams like Livorno will know how to punish that. And I`m not being pesimistic or smth, I`m just trying to be realistic about this.
I think that we will have no problem winning both games, Kaka or no Kaka. Livorno is not a strong team, they are just a tough team. With a bit luck, we would beat them black and blue.
I also agree that if possible, Nesta should start playing to gain some matchfit.
Which game is more important? Both are important. I will however prefer Livorno game to Lille game. Don't get me wrong, I love CL way more than Italian scudetto. It is just this -8 that bugs me badly. In CL, drawing two games or even three would still make you top the group as long as you win all the others, and not to mention this is a WEAK group. but domestically speaking, those b@stards are still 5,6,8 points ahead, so every point does count at this stage for morale. We need them to drop points from time to time, and we can't afford losing ANY point yet, not until the gap is like 2 or 3 I think. So if we have to have one win and one draw, I don't mind that draw happens with Lille and we win against Livorno. One win and one defeat will not be accepted. :D
Carlo has stated that the squad rotation will continue until the International break, after that it seems he will rotate less and keep a core set of players playing in most games.
We will need to play better than we did against Parma, that's true but i think away to Parma is the harder game. I've always stated, as have many others, that the Livorno game will be hard, they're an awkward team to play against, but i feel Parma have the better players. Still, we all know that doesn't mean a great deal if Livorno perform above what they normally do.
Last season we won 3-0 there, i'm not sure who scored or was in the team. It would be interesting if someone found out to see what changes we will have made to the side.
Bosniaco
22-09-2006, 14:22
Carlo has stated that the squad rotation will continue until the International break, after that it seems he will rotate less and keep a core set of players playing in most games.
We will need to play better than we did against Parma, that's true but i think away to Parma is the harder game. I've always stated, as have many others, that the Livorno game will be hard, they're an awkward team to play against, but i feel Parma have the better players. Still, we all know that doesn't mean a great deal if Livorno perform above what they normally do.
Last season we won 3-0 there, i'm not sure who scored or was in the team. It would be interesting if someone found out to see what changes we will have made to the side.
I think Gila scored two goals in that game, the third goal was scored by a midfielder I think not sure.....
I think Gila scored two goals in that game, the third goal was scored by a midfielder I think not sure.....
yeah gila got a brace two good finishes too and the other goal came from that andriy shevchenko player.
zlatanov
22-09-2006, 16:37
Zlat, with 8 points down we can aford at most 3-4 games not to take all three points, and we 35 games left 18 of wich are away,and if you think think were gonna win everything this year, once again you`re wrong. We are gonna have some slips in the way to the scudetto, thats why this game and every other in Searie A is important.And I`m happy we have 24 players to rotate this year, but dont forget that we didnt play gret last two games, and strong teams like Livorno will know how to punish that. And I`m not being pesimistic or smth, I`m just trying to be realistic about this.
I see your point kastriot but I think you are way overreacting about this 8 pt deficit. At first look it does seem a lot but when you consider the length of a whole season, the inconsistency of the other title contenders - Inter, Roma, Palermo - and the fact that the one team that has rivaled us in Italy - Juve - is out of the picture, spread the 8 pts over all these factors and the realistic truth is that 8 pts is not that much after all.
If you look at our last season's performance, with all our terrible inconsistency in the whole first half-season, if we manage to repeat even that far-from-perfect perfomance, there's an excellent chance that we'd be champs this year. Go back to the stats and you will see that we DID NOT manage to get the max pts in around 15 out of 38 games and still managed to finish at +12 pts from Inter - who had a very good season in terms of points collected (at least by their standards) - and at ~+20 and more from Roma.
Don't get me wrong - I am not saying that we should neglect Serie A and use it only to keep the players in shape for the CL - but I do believe that you are way overestimating the consequences this 8 pt penalty will have on our season.
Also, as I tried to explain in my previous post, using one and the same players now will tire them out, will result in loss of form for the rest, and this will even tually cost us dearly in the future. Rotating the squad and playing Simic, Brocchi, Gorky etc, doesn't mean we are underestimating Livorno since all players in our squad for this year - except for probably Boriello - have proven in these early stages that they are worthy of a place in Milan's starting 11.
That should be one in the eye for those who dislike Gilardino and say he only scored in the less important games, when we were already 2-0, etc, etc.
2 goals away at Livorno is great, lets hope one of our players can emulate his feat this time round.
Zlat ... you haven't mentioned links, ppstream, tvants, for a whole page! Neither has Nammy or anyone else!! :eek: :rotfl:
zlatanov
22-09-2006, 16:48
Zlat ... you haven't mentioned links, ppstream, tvants, for a whole page! Neither has Nammy or anyone else!! :eek: :rotfl:
well, I haven't seen a cent from those bastards so no more pluggin for them from me :devf:
I'd sue 'em Zlat ... either that or send the mm toughs around to kick some ass! :grinser:
kastriot
22-09-2006, 17:13
I see your point kastriot but I think you are way overreacting about this 8 pt deficit. At first look it does seem a lot but when you consider the length of a whole season, the inconsistency of the other title contenders - Inter, Roma, Palermo - and the fact that the one team that has rivaled us in Italy - Juve - is out of the picture, spread the 8 pts over all these factors and the realistic truth is that 8 pts is not that much after all.
If you look at our last season's performance, with all our terrible inconsistency in the whole first half-season, if we manage to repeat even that far-from-perfect perfomance, there's an excellent chance that we'd be champs this year. Go back to the stats and you will see that we DID NOT manage to get the max pts in around 15 out of 38 games and still managed to finish at +12 pts from Inter - who had a very good season in terms of points collected (at least by their standards) - and at ~+20 and more from Roma.
Don't get me wrong - I am not saying that we should neglect Serie A and use it only to keep the players in shape for the CL - but I do believe that you are way overestimating the consequences this 8 pt penalty will have on our season.
Also, as I tried to explain in my previous post, using one and the same players now will tire them out, will result in loss of form for the rest, and this will even tually cost us dearly in the future. Rotating the squad and playing Simic, Brocchi, Gorky etc, doesn't mean we are underestimating Livorno since all players in our squad for this year - except for probably Boriello - have proven in these early stages that they are worthy of a place in Milan's starting 11.
I know that 8 point is not too much,I`m sure we`re gonna win the scudetto this year,and if we play like last year its gonna be more than enough,but I`m counting a better Inter and the Roma from the lasts seasons end. This fact scares me, how good inter can be???
Nobody plugs for me! I'm usually just pipped to the post by Zlat and others.
Anyway, I've been busy getting ready for going to University tomorrow, and a brief look at some streaming sites don't show any links yet.
I will be AWOl for (maybe) a few days while we sort out internet, tv, etc at my University house. Meanwhile, maybe you can check these stream sites, though I'm sure the grizzled veterans of the forum will provide streams. Here are some useful ones you can check later on tomorrow:
http://myp2p.eu/Matches/Match5.htm
http://www.asiaplate.com/members.php
http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/index.html
http://www.football4less.com/
http://www.p2ptvstreams.com/
http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/index.html
2-0 to Milan tomorrow. Nammy out!
zlatanov
22-09-2006, 17:25
I know that 8 point is not too much,I`m sure we`re gonna win the scudetto this year,and if we play like last year its gonna be more than enough,but I`m counting a better Inter and the Roma from the lasts seasons end. This fact scares me, how good inter can be???
that's a good point - Roma had a pretty bad first half of the season but then again they have only added Pizarro to their 1st team, with Vucinic likely to feature mostly as a reserve, and their squad lacks depth ... this will hurt them eventually IMO as their starting 11 have no equals among the subs and will tire out over the long run of a season.
Bar any long spells of crisis, I would expect Roma to get at most 10 pts more than they did last year.
As for Inter, those guys have had a stars-packed squad year after year and, despite the "names" they have brought in, I honestly don't see them much different because a TEAM is as good as its coach is and that in Inters case hasn't changed.
My expectations for them is to get the same number of points from last year, +/- a couple, and this is only if Mancini stays for the whole season, something I wouldn't bet a rotten egg on right now.
dictatornz
22-09-2006, 18:00
dida
Bonera Nesta Kaladze Janku
Pirlo
Gattu Seedorf
Pippo Oliveira
playing on 10 men? haha i think this is taking the resting of players idea a bit far :doh:
this would be the team i think we shud play:
............................Dida.............................
Bonera ....... Nesta .....Kaladze............Jankulovski
.................Gattuso ...Pirlo... Seedorf.........
...........................Gourcuff....................
.................Oliveira ............................
................................Inzaghi................
savage_mau
22-09-2006, 22:37
[QUOTE=dictatornz]playing on 10 men? haha i think this is taking the resting of players idea a bit far :doh: QUOTE]
Oh... i forget our Gourcuff :grinser: ... Kaka need a rest for CL game and nesta need to start to regain fitness!!
dictatornz
22-09-2006, 23:44
i agree on resting kaka ... he mentioned at the end of the ascoli game that he was tired ... and with both gourcuff and seedorf able 2 play that position i think he shud b rested
Naoki_Pippo
23-09-2006, 00:22
Milan Line Up for Livorno game are:
---------------------- Dida ----------------------
Bonera ------- Simic ------- Kaladze ------- Janku
--------------------- Pirlo -----------------------
--------- Brocchi ---------- Seedorf -----------
-------------------- Gourcuff --------------------
------------- Pippo ---------- Oliveira ------------
* I agree that Kaka have to rest, I think it is a moment for Gourcuff to show their capability to be a man who can substitute Kaka when Kaka can't play...
"I think Ollie will make a goal in this game
Milan (2) - Livorno (1)
Oh, I hope Pippo make a goal in this game...
FORZA MILAN
Rino starting this game or what? I think he should/ It'll give us a more cautious formation since we r playing away. Having said that Pirlo might be rested or partially used. Same goes for Kaka.
Btw this rotational policy of ours is working out really well this season. Though the reason is still vague as Milan always had a large squad of players, I think it has something to do with the departure of a certain superstar and the aging of some of the first team players. None of the players aren't given any assurance about a position in the starting 11 and that certainly demands the best from anyone who is given the chance to play. The team is definitely going through a transformation, not in terms of players but the mentality of the players already in the squad.
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 04:58
Last year saw AC Milan (12th 1 point) cut through Livorno (10th 4 points) like a hot knife through butter, although with the aid and assistance of two strikers who wont be in the Rossoneri squad on Saturday. The Amaranto (Dark Red) lasted just 24 minutes at their Armando Picci home before Gilardino netted a sharp Shevchenko pass.
The Ukrainian was key to helping Gila bag his brace as he snapped a ball across for Seedorf to redirect it and Gilardino put Milan two up. Sheva himself wrapped things up eleven minutes later with a low header off a smart Pirlo free kick in the 71st minute. The visitors will be expecting a similar result despite the absence of both men after emerging from a sub-zero start.
Their modest hosts may only have a meagre point so far, but that was earned in style on Wednesday with a 2-2 battle away that saw the Amaranto nab an early lead through Bakayoko and grab the definitive equaliser in the second half via a Danilevicius penalty. For Saturdays match Coach Arrigoni may well resort to a tough five-man midfield to muffle Milans creativity.
Possible Formations And First Elevens
LIVORNO (3-5-2): Amelia; Grandoni, Rezaei, Galante; Balleri, Morrone, Passoni, Filippini, Pfertzel; Vigiani, Lucarelli
MILAN (4-3-1-2): Dida; Bonera, Nesta, Kalaze, Jankulovski; Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf; Kaką; Oliveira, Inzaghi
Recent 2006-7 Serie A Form
LIVORNO: LDL
MILAN: WWW
this will be fourth in row
FORZA MILAN
MILAN MILAN MILAN
CAMPEONI 2006/07
:p283:
dida-bonera-nesta-kaladze-jankulovski-pirlo-gattuso-seedorf-kaka'-oliveira-pippo!! wow!
Can we drop points against Livorno with this side on??? I dont think so.... But we must be carefull....
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 08:15
gazzetta and tgcom seem to favour the following line-up:
Dida; Bonera, Nesta, Maldini, Favalli; Gattuso, Ambro, Seedorf, Kaka; Oli, Pippo
one possibility would be to see Pirlo start instead of Ambro, but for now Ambro seem to be the favourite.
Warro Bantan
23-09-2006, 08:49
I am all for resting Pirlo and Kaka in this game, or at least until the second half, then bringing them on only if we havent scored, say in the 70th minute.
ACMILAN1983
23-09-2006, 08:51
I suspect this will be another tough match.
I think some key players like Pirlo, Kaka, Maldini could probably use some rest in this match, with Brocchi, Seedorf and Nesta all returning to take their place and regain match fitness. I'd probably rest Janku for CL, as he's now played 2 in a row and could be well deputised by Favalli with Cafu (or even Bonera who hasn't been hesitating to push forward) on the right.
Anyway, we need to stay focused and maintain our positive run.
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bosniaco
23-09-2006, 10:28
I thnik Carlo is scared to leave Kaka on the bench, he thinks that we can't do it with out Kaka. He should have rested Kaka for this match, the guy is tired and he said it him self after the games against Ascoli...
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 10:38
scared is probably a strong word but I agree that Kaka should have been on the bench for this one and come in only if things go not as planned. Carlo probbaly still doesn't confident in playng Gorky in Kaka's role and make the whole team revolve - at least in attack - around a relatively inexperineced player like the Frenchman.
Still, I would expect Kaka to be subbed around the 60-70th min, unless Carlo is planning not to use him on Tuesday vs Lille, which would be kind of strange ;)
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 10:54
R WE READY FOR ANOTHER WIN
LIVORNO - MILAN 0 : 3
FORZA MILAN
MILAN MILAN MILAN
CAMPEONI 2006/07
:w221:
Keita scored for Lille against Lyon, it's currently 1-1 there after the first half.
So what's the official line up then?
hitmannq8
23-09-2006, 11:03
game started
official lineup:
bonera, nesta, maldini, favalli
gattuso ambro seedorf (i dont like this combo)
kaka
inzaghi - oliveira
subs: Gourcuff, Gilardino, Brocchi, Pirlo, Cafu, Kaladze, Kalac
Paolo is out with a groin injury I think
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:07
Maldini Is Injured Kakha In
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 11:07
Keita scored for Lille against Lyon, it's currently 1-1 there after the first half.
So what's the official line up then?
I WAS watching that too ... both goals happened after deflections though, kind of scrappy, not to say lucky ;)
This Keita (Ivory Coast, I think) and Bodmer are twoplayers Milan have been reported to be interested in
Maldini out - groin strain, I guess - Kaladze in ... one sub wasted early in the game, not the best way to start, I am affraid :(
Forza Milaaaaaaaan !!!!!
P.S. The QSIV stream is GORGEOUS btw :devf:
You mean he's been injured already?
this will be the parma game all over again ... ffs!
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:10
YEP
:5schal:
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 11:10
You mean he's been injured already?
YES, Paolo started the game but I guess pulled a groin muscle while playing with the ball - no tackle or anything - and got subbed by Kakha
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:11
Inzaghi almost through but Galante blocks.
FAvalli blasted over after Oliveira (kind of) wasted a good chance. Beautiful setup by Seedorf and Inzaghi.
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:12
Ambro makes a great tackle on Lucarelli on the edge of the area.
Kaka's shot collected by Amelia.
Graeme C
23-09-2006, 11:13
anyone else having problems with tv ants? the game is supposed to be on CCTV5, all i have is womans basketball :sagrin:
pece4ever, are you watching TV or online stream?
Go to this page :
http://www.acmilan.com/LM_Match_Cronaca.aspx?idIncontro=1521
you can read about the match details
Keita's quite a lively, mobile player, we'll have to see how he gets on this season.
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:13
Milan almost score but Oliveira's shot is blocked and Favalli hit the fall-up wide.
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:14
Amelia saves Kaką's shot. :gonova:
anyone else having problems with tv ants? the game is supposed to be on CCTV5, all i have is womans basketball :sagrin:
try PPSTREAM and the channel is QSTV. It is not the problem of tv ants, the problem is CCTV5 which often breaks their words.
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:14
Inzaghi comes back from an offside position.
:d6:
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:16
Kala fouls Lucarelli and free-kick to Livorno.
:1avs:
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:18
Dida saves easily from Morrone.
Dida is the best
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:20
Rezaei heads wide following a corner
OCmilano
23-09-2006, 11:20
Im following the game on Acmilan.com and it seems like Livorno is attacking way more than us?
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:22
they are playing in attacking formation 3-5-2
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:23
Inzaghi wins a corner, Kaką takes but Amelia gathers
Im following the game on Acmilan.com and it seems like Livorno is attacking way more than us?
no.
livorno hardly gets into our penalty box. but our attack is unimaginative to me either.
with them having 5 in midfield it'll be tough for us to get a quick grip on the game. But if and when we do, we should have some success hitting the strikers as they are only playing 3 at the back.
the game is pretty boring so far. we don't have Cafu and Serginho (or even Janku) to push forward from two sidelanes, and our midfielders are Ambrosini and Gattuso with Seedorf.
Inzaghi has been very active, dribbling and everything. A few good chances but none utilized. Let's wait and see.
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:25
Another Livorno comes to nothing
Seedorf blastd over the bar after Kaka tried to set the ball up.
Seems that Inzaghi was already offiside when he fought for the ball.
Bonera made an important interception, preventing a possible 1-on-1.
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:28
Lyon - Lille now 2 - 1
can anyone post the links for match and info ie to watch on web? cheers.
Seems that Inzaghi was already offiside when he fought for the ball.
That's a rare occurance.
:dielaugh:
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:30
Great shot from Kaką just clears the bar.
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 11:30
JP makes it happen yet again, ha ;)
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 11:31
can anyone post the links for match and info ie to watch on web? cheers.
do you mean a link to a stream like PPStream, PPLive, etc or what
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:31
Cross-shot from Seedorf floats wide
nesta received a yellow card.
can anyone post the links for match and info ie to watch on web? cheers.
there's a thread with all that information on it
passoni got a yelllow for pulling kaka.
gattuso's low shot went wide
milan are playing very patiently. inzaghi made a ball for kaka, whose shot was blocked. too crowded in the box.
kaka soon comes back and tries a 'lobbing' shot from a long distance. too high, and he seems to apologize to inzaghi. :D
Billy1969
23-09-2006, 11:37
Livorno is playing with 9 defenders, one keeper and Lucarelli atm, it's a brick wall, Kaka bumped into 6 of them in their backline
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 11:38
Ok, where's it? tanx.
here: http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20947
If you already have PPStream installed just click here:
ppstream://hwmj3fnjme6ycokoapmt3ge5rab5tw4ze6dahwotmjxeua6zzjr6syqd3hoqdtuzapm5uo5peeb5turgamaqhwoseybqga6z.pps/FUN74ZQGJHQIPE73Q72CMK4EOGPPWTR7
Corner for milan. punched away by amelia.
milan is keeping pressure on livorno.
Billy1969
23-09-2006, 11:40
I have the feeling if Gilardino would play he would score, don't know why, call it intuition
here: http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20947
If you already have PPStream installed just click here:
ppstream://hwmj3fnjme6ycokoapmt3ge5rab5tw4ze6dahwotmjxeua6zzjr6syqd3hoqdtuzapm5uo5peeb5turgamaqhwoseybqga6z.pps/FUN74ZQGJHQIPE73Q72CMK4EOGPPWTR7
I have PPS installed, but the match doesn't show with that link. What do I need to press etc? cheers.
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 11:41
was that Oli with a great play on the right wing?
Livorno's penalty zone is so crowded. We probably should try more shots from outside, maybe some will be deflected into the net with the help of some many legs. :D
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:42
Lyon - Lille 3-1
was that Oli with a great play on the right wing?
I didn't see any great play down the right wing, maybe I was too busy typing. but Gattuso indeed has some nice try there, Inzaghi too.
I see very little of Oliveira today.
Lyon scored again, Fred got a goal. 3-1 now.
If the penalty box/middle part of the pitch is packed with defenders then you go wide and get some crosses in, rather than trying to thread the ball through the eye of a needle.
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 11:44
I have PPS installed, but the match doesn't show with that link. What do I need to press etc? cheers.
try this one - a fresh link for QSIV on PPStream:
ppstream://hwmj3fnjme6ycokoapmt3ge5rab5tw4ze6dahwotmjxeua6zzjr6syqd3hoqdtuzapm5uo5peeb5turgamaqhwoseybqga6z.pps/FUN74ZQGJHQIPE73Q72CMK4EOGPPWTR7
if not, go to that other thread I gave you a link to, and read the 1st post.
This is what QSIV looks like on PPStream - ** ĘōŹÓ×ćĒņ(live) ** ... just look for it in the channle list, right now it's showing 4.8% viewers
Billy1969
23-09-2006, 11:45
First chance for Livorno but Lucarelli got three points thinking he was playing rugby instead of football. They're still looking for the ball in the stands.
Bonera mistake, leading to Lucarelli's shot quite dangerous.
Billy1969
23-09-2006, 11:46
Booking for Ambro, dangerous free-kick for Livorno
Lyon 4-1 Lille according to livescore.com.
Ambrosini got a yellow card.
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 11:47
Yellow card Massimo Ambrosini
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 11:47
ambro booked, anyone surprised :) ... hope Pirlo comes in for 2nd half, we need some genius play from midfield
must be about half time now
HT. 0-0. 2-2 at yellow cards.
Clarence1990
23-09-2006, 11:49
Half Time, bring in Gilardino for Oliveira in the second half?
Fred scored again. I wonder if Lille are playing a 2nd string side, i've seen them do that before. Either that or Lyon are just too hot for them.
Cafu must surely come on to give us some width and pace in the 2nd half.
Billy1969
23-09-2006, 11:50
half time, this is going to be a difficult one to win imo, we have to play faster to break down their defensive wall.
Grande-Milan-DK
23-09-2006, 11:53
Ambro - Gattuso has newer worked - Milan don“t have the offensive thread with these two players. So Ambro out - Gourcuff in
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 11:54
is it just me or QSIV stream is breaking up pretty often right now?
acmilanone
23-09-2006, 11:58
Zlatanov:
breaking up almost all the time. It was good at the beginning, but it's getting worse
is it just me or QSIV stream is breaking up pretty often right now?
count me in.
well ... at least we've kept a clean sheet so far :D
KingHenry®
23-09-2006, 11:59
is it just me or QSIV stream is breaking up pretty often right now?
was fine during the game, but now at half time its breaking up
we need gourcuff and gilla in, may be ambro and oli out
hitmannq8
23-09-2006, 12:01
What an ugly boring game. Well we cant expect a 5-0 with Ambro/Gattuso playing together, so lets just be happy none of them are sent off yet and the defensive duties have been met so far.
I think we need Cafu and Pirlo on for 2nd half because we wont score any goals if we continue like this.
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 12:03
I think I might be onto another alternative but will have to wait for the game to start to be sure ... gimme a couple of min
KingHenry®
23-09-2006, 12:04
off topic
when was the last time kaka had a red card? or has he never had one?
second half begins. the stream seems fine now. :)
Kaladze's header saved by Amelia. Inzaghi was lurking, but couldn't get a touch.
This stream stuff doesn't work for me. Damn.
the stream is going dead. :(
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 12:11
yeah, got better now ... viewers came down 5.5% to 4.9 now
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 12:11
the stream is going dead. :(
right now for me its pretty nice ... at end of first half, I couldn't watch anything basically .. go figure
maybe if you stopped telling everyone about the links Zlat then the % would be lower and you could enjoy a 'break up' free stream :grinser:
it is getting back for me too. :)
Gilardino is warming up.
maybe if you stopped telling everyone about the links Zlat then the % would be lower and you could enjoy a 'break up' free stream :grinser:
:D
actually, since this is P2P stream, it is supposed to be better to have more viewers at the same time. well, at least that is what they advocate.
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 12:15
maybe if you stopped telling everyone about the links Zlat then the % would be lower and you could enjoy a 'break up' free stream :grinser:
you are right ... no more stream links from me ... will talk 1-1 with Nammy too :diablo:
Forza Milaaaaan, Forza Milaaaaaan Fans :devf:
Billy1969
23-09-2006, 12:15
Gilardino and Pirlo warming up now
hitmannq8
23-09-2006, 12:17
damn it.. favalli, bonera and oliveira are having really really bad games
Jankulovski on for Favalli
Milan Suffer
16' Incredibile traversa di Morrone che manca il gol dall'altezza del rigore.
Gazzetta
Morrone hit the bar!!!! dangerous!!!
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 12:18
:D
actually, since this is P2P stream, it is supposed to be better to have more viewers at the same time. well, at least that is what they advocate.
yeah, at least that's idea ... but seems to me that with a lot of viewers it does take longer until you get into the stream pool, so to speak. Once you are in and give it some time if gets nice
Livorno hit the bar :p157:
Forza Milaaaaaaaan :firedev:
d@mn it, we were lucky not to go down 0-1 now. we should react soon. I don't like this way the game is played. :(
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 12:19
me neither, too many players don't seem to care once they lose the ball
an hour into the game already.
janku for favalli, hope that he will bring more creativity.
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 12:21
we have enough time to win it but we have to pick up our game:
Janku in for Favalli
Amelia Human Wall...
Gattuso perfetto per Inzaghi che cerca la rovesciata a due passi da Amelia, ma cicca la palla.
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 12:22
The Maldini injury hurt us in more than one way ... we could have used one extra fresh player right now
KingHenry®
23-09-2006, 12:22
im not very much impressed
but i wont speak my mind as we all know how i mite get attacked
inzaghi miskick the ball. nice play between bonera and seedorf
hitmannq8
23-09-2006, 12:23
Pirlo for Gattuso
livorno fans are more active now. chanting and booing. :rolleyes:
who is the guy in yellow coat that sits besides galliani?
26' Colpo di testa di Vigiani angolato; Dida si distende e para.
upps!!
bonera yellowed, for a foul on morrone.
Dida made a save.
hitmannq8
23-09-2006, 12:29
The guy in the yellow coat is Spinelli, Livorno's president.
We are doing everything wrong today. And Bonera proved today that he is not good milan material. They need insipiration and desire because thats exactly what they are lacking.
thanks for the info.
I sense the same thing.too bad we have only one substitute left, and I am wondering who would take the place of whose. :(
sounds like the players need a rocket up their ass!
hitmannq8
23-09-2006, 12:31
thanks for the info.
I sense the same thing.too bad we have only one substitute left, and I am wondering who would take the place of whose. :(
Pirlo took Gattuso's place 5 minutes ago. We used all 3 subs.
livorno is getting more chances. we can't even go forward.
Pirlo took Gattuso's place 5 minutes ago. We used all 3 subs.
you are right, I forgot about Janku for Favalli.
Balleri shot from outside, dangerous. :stoned:
15 minutes left.
KingHenry®
23-09-2006, 12:33
very boring game and its going to finish 0-0
KingHenry®
23-09-2006, 12:35
milan are really struggling in my opinion
Oh gosh we're playing rather badly imo.. we'll be lucky to pluck 3 points out of this one.
Another wasted chance
35' Occasione per il Milan; Kaką stoppa di petto al limite e calcia fuori alla destra di Amelia.
very boring game and its going to finish 0-0
hopefully not, 15 minutes could have many things happen.
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 12:36
how is this possible we can not score
auuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
come on milan
come on milan
:3band:
hitmannq8
23-09-2006, 12:37
We are really struggling. I hope the players/coach dont use excuses as "We were tired" or "the pitch was bad" because that's just bs.
COMON MILAN
I think we must play Gourcuff instead of Kaka in midweek, let the Brazil man rest until next weekend's matches.
Gilardino should also be back and ready to start.
I think we can deduce that playing Gattuso & Ambrosini and Bonera & Favalli doesn't work well and should be avoided as combos if possible. Playing all 4 is very defensive.
Lets hope we can muster some passion, finish the game with a flourish and maybe steal a goal.
Another wasted chance
35' Occasione per il Milan; Kaką stoppa di petto al limite e calcia fuori alla destra di Amelia.
Kaka' seems to lack precision tonight.
Arildonardo
23-09-2006, 12:39
Yeah, we're struggling a bit at the moment... Pretty boring and dull match until now. Let's hope for a glimpse of Pirlo and Kaka's creativity and Inzaghi's lethal finishing. We need that now!
nice shot by Kaka, saved by amelia.
let's wish that we can somehow steal a goal. :(
acmilanone
23-09-2006, 12:41
8 minutes left, hopefully we can steal a goal
forza milan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Billy1969
23-09-2006, 12:42
First lost points of the season, it seems more and more like it, not a good thing.
Maybe Marek can get his second goal in as many games :D
4 minutes plus stoppage time
Arildonardo
23-09-2006, 12:45
It's pretty clear that some of our players are not in their best physical form at the moment.
hitmannq8
23-09-2006, 12:45
Oliveira just missed a 1on1. Not an easy one to score but certainly not a hard one.
4mins from 5 of the added time left.
1 point is better than 0 points ...
i don't think it should be seen as 2 points lost as we haven't played well enough to win the match in the first place.
KingHenry®
23-09-2006, 12:47
is it me or are the refs harsh on milan?
not really..we just played badly :|
oliveira wasted a golden chance. 5 minutes stoppage time, and Amelia is on the ground, perfect way to kill the 5 minutes.
Arildonardo
23-09-2006, 12:49
is it me or are the refs harsh on milan?
It's you... I haven't seen anything wrong in this match.
And I think we are lucky to get 5 minutes of injury time to get a goal!
is it me or are the refs harsh on milan?
I think so too, but I may be biased.
I still can't believe that how Oliveira could have wasted that chance.
Billy1969
23-09-2006, 12:50
Milan should wake up, the bar saved our ass last week in the 93th minute and today on Morrone's chance, this is not Milan standard play.
pece4ever
23-09-2006, 12:50
our first 2 points lost
f... o..
hitmannq8
23-09-2006, 12:50
time up.. last free kick of the game for pirlo.. and wasted.. full time
PATHETIC. The use of squad rotation is to make the players that are more tired rest, and the ones that have energy and are ready play. Being tired cannot be used as an excuse. Absolutely pathetic performance. 2 games in a row where we have played really badly and the post saved us, against Ascoli at San Siro and Livorno away. PATHETIC.
this 5 minutes' stoppage time is not really long. considering that Amelia's "perfect timing" of "injury", and one more substitute happening during this time.
about 90 seconds left.
game is over. it is very depressing. damn it.
it is now Manchester City to West Ham United. What a quick change.
Billy1969
23-09-2006, 12:54
Yeah. Inter are going to laugh their asses off, the bastards.
bosnian_acfan
23-09-2006, 12:54
A very disapointing draw, I expected 3 points... Hope this won't happen again against Lille
game over. 0-0
Not a very convincing performance by Milan but I'm very surprised that no one gives any credit to Livorno who, IMHO, defended very well.
PATHETIC? not at all close. If you consider the fact that Milan has been playing one game per 3 days one would expect their performance to drop, although I agree with you that the point of rotation is just that.
Oh ya and here the members will bash.
Anyway, not a convincing performance but let's get over it and think about Lille next.
Graeme C
23-09-2006, 12:55
Todays match showed why alot of people like me moaned in the transfer season... Oliviera and Bonera were disapointing (Bonera should be playing CB), playing Gattuso- Ambrosini doesnt work! would prefer Brocchi as he has speed at least! yet again Milan push all attack through kaka, and the play is predictable!
Hasan Rossonero
23-09-2006, 12:56
did not play well...but we cannot win every game.
Billy1969
23-09-2006, 13:00
did not play well...but we cannot win every game.
That's exactly what we had to do to stand a chance to catch Inter, Roma and Palermo, there is no margin for error since the champions of honesty's lapdog made us start with minus 8 points...
bosnian_acfan
23-09-2006, 13:00
I believe in this Milan, and expect them to play better in the future games
PATHeTiC choice of players by mr. Anchelotti!!
It could have been forseen, b4 the game that Pippo isn't going to have a good day today unless there was some positive moveing behind him. And Kaka and Oliveira were so static that my eyes still hurt :P The Livorno d-fens needed to be stretched and Gourcuff and Boriello were the ones to play behind Pippo, and in that case Gila could've come on @ 65mins and everyoe would've been rested and more importantly we would've won. And what was this playing Ambro instead of Pirlo. Game lost by Anchelotti. :angf:
Hasan Rossonero
23-09-2006, 13:04
That's exactly what we had to do to stand a chance to catch Inter, Roma and Palermo, there is no margin for error since the champions of honesty's lapdog made us start with minus 8 points...
still very early...we have played 7 games (Cl qualifiers included) this season and we have won 6 and drawn 1. Cannot really complain.
I must agree though this game was PAINFUL to watch. :dumpf:
Bosniaco
23-09-2006, 13:05
Man what a disapointing game, Milan didn't play well at all. Bonera and Oliveira did show much, and yes Bonera looks like a CD not a RB, he didn't attack almost at all on that right side. We didn't create too many chances at all. I dono what Carlo is going to do about this but he should never start this formation again.
still very early...we have played 7 games (Cl qualifiers included) this season and we have won 6 and drawn 1. Cannot really complain.
I must agree though this game was PAINFUL to watch. :dumpf:
yes, we can complain and should complain because we could've won this game!!
if this is the Livorno defence
-----X-------X
---X---X---X---X
---------GK
and it has 6 players in it that are standing at 16m from their goal and doing it well like Jeff said, you cant be playing like we played today! You cant have everything going through Kaka through the center, not have Pirlo on, play with Pippo and a static Oliveira, have Seedorf mindlessly run toward the center, have Rinno and Bonera on the right and who was that on the left??? Janku? by the time he gets forward from defense Livorno have 10 people there
We needed Janku on LM so he can double with Boriello who can disrupt the left siide of their ehm... "zone", we needed someone who can run the right flank properly (where was Cafu), we needed Pirlo and we didn need a shut down Kaka today, what we needed was Gorki who can pull their defense out and create something from R/AM...
Then and only then would've Pippo had the space to score some goals. Then we could've taken Pippo out for Gila and Ambro could've came in for Pirlo. Why Carlo insists on playing some players when its obious they do more wrong than right (Kaka today) I'll never know. And moreso I'm thinkig about Massimo..puting him in the lineup instead of Pirlo was suicadal. Affull!!!!
By the way, thanks for the link :)
I still believe that when you play a team with everyone stationed in the box, it won't work with Bonera + Favalli + Gattuso + Ambrosini + an off-form Seedorf. Ancelotti didn't outsmart his counterpart to say the least, and didn't react well when things weren't going smoothly. actually, he didn't react at all. :stoned:
Kaka was good (lack of precision in shooting, but still good nonetheless), Inzaghi was good. I still can't believe that Oliveira wasted our only two golden chances. The one towards the end, Gattuso could have scored. All he did was hurt Amelia and wasted another minute of our stoppage time. He had a fantastic debut, but after that, he has yet to convince me. Too many good chances wasted in so many games, doesn't look lethal to me. I hope it is just that he hasn't adapted yet.
Dida seems solid to me again. Nesta was rusty, Kaladze much better. Matchfit maybe? Bonera is yet up to Milan standard, but he should be better in a few months or a few seasons. I am not being sarcastic, I really mean that. Gattuso was awful in skills, and look at him now.
I have the pet-peeve to have more Italians in the team, but I wouldn't hesitate to replace the Italian fullback duo with the Brazilians. Favalli < Janku < Serginho. We were miserably in creativity and unpredictability. Seedorf was slow and kept losing balls, and we were pretty lucky to get away with one point. :v408:
KingHenry®
23-09-2006, 13:29
exactly i felt ancelotti is to blame
Maldini and Favalli went off with muscular injury. Well.. well.. age is not just number, is it? :1whis: Still we didn't concede any goal (luckily). But IMO we did play terribly dull. Totally boring!
kastriot
23-09-2006, 13:49
game over. 0-0
Not a very convincing performance by Milan but I'm very surprised that no one gives any credit to Livorno who, IMHO, defended very well.
PATHETIC? not at all close. If you consider the fact that Milan has been playing one game per 3 days one would expect their performance to drop, although I agree with you that the point of rotation is just that.
Oh ya and here the members will bash.
Anyway, not a convincing performance but let's get over it and think about Lille next.
Pathetic??Yes,no doubt, but we forgive them it happens as Jeff said, thy`ve been playing a game after game,they are humman beings too.
This one I can forget easily, the thing that scares me is ther fact that we have 2 more games by the end of the next week,and if they are tired by now, what should we expect from the upcoming games LIlle and Siena, another pathetic performance that we can excuse and forget or what????, I simply dont see the light at the end of the tunel until we have the international breake. Sorry for being a litle pesimistic last days but things doesnt look bright concerning the way we played in the last games, The results till now are great though!!
Its very easy to point out Ancelottis mistaks afterwards, but lets get things into perspective. We are undefeated this season and this result is our worst. We are five points behind Inter and so what if we are 8 points behind tomoorow. Its a long season, if we coul almost catch Juve toward the end of last season why cant we catch Inter who are alergic to the scudetto.
We had to make 2 forced changes and the one change he made was positive ofensively. Take it that we are missing Serginho, and Favalli shouldn't be playing, but better to have Janku playing in CL than Favalli. Ancelotti didn't know that Livorno were going to play that way. and once they step onto the pitch it's the PLAYERS'S responsibility to perform. Coaches are merely guides, and teachers.
Have faith guys, Inter are under pressure in the CL. If they dont lose points this week then they may lose them next week and if not they might lose in the CL. Either way Inter are going to entertain us sometime this week :5schal:
There are many positive things this season, Janku seems to be getting games and improving. Pirlo is being rested. Gourcuff looks to be an unknown quantity for our opponents to come to terms with. Kaka has been more hungry this season and once the goals arrive for our strikers we will be a force. Once this side convinces it self they are a great team they will play like it and Inter will trip up looking over their shoulders.
it was players' fault but mostly it was ancelotti's fault: his line up was clearly too defensive.his intention was clear, play ugly football and win, lucky win..unfortunately we didnt so lucky this time. i think being tired is just a silly excuse, they are professional players with world class training facility. other big clubs also play a game every three days.
after international's break on october this rotation system will most likely not be adopted, at least not to this high extent as we experience recently.
Rando out of these big clubs you mention who have started perfectly for more than three games. Barca have won three out of three as had Milan. Real have won two out of three. Bayern three out of five, Inter, two out of three, Chelsea five out of six, united four out of six and Liverpool three out of six. So comeon you cant win every week.
How many matches have we watched before big European cup ties. Unfortunately no matter how experienced the players are the big game will always be in the back of their minds. None of them want to over do it and risk losing a match that could be disasterous for our European campaign.
ACMILAN1983
23-09-2006, 16:28
Honestly, a boring match, but I'm not disappointed really. We had to have a slip up somewhere sometime soon and really I had predicted this match to be that.
Anyway, Ancelotti's team sheet I don't blame too much, as he did obviously have an eye on Tuesday. I don't really understand why Brocchi didn't play in this match, as he would have been useful. I firmly believe that Gourcuff was rested for Tuesday, so am not too surprised about Kaka playing (though I'd rather have pushed Seedorf or Gourcuff up and rested Kaka like against Parma).
Anyway, I think the team lacked much of what we're characterised with, as we weren't that creative (clearly missing Pirlo most of the match), movement in the attacking third was pretty poor and didn't give Livorno much trouble and the team looked a little poorly disciplined, as it didn't move forwards and backwards as a unit, but the midfield at times looked all over the place. I remember that many times in the second half, the midfield would all pull back to receive the ball, and then no one would be forward to move towards and the forwards would get isolated.
As for players..
Dida - Solid, not bothered too much though
Bonera - Sloppy game, moved down the flank quite poorly and very sloppy on the ball at times.
Favalli - Didn't really move forward much, did little defensively, possibly our weakest player.
Nesta - lacking match sharpness, but overall did reasonably well, can't wait for him to get back to full fitness.
Kaladze - reasonable performance, looked solid.
Gattuso - asked to perform a role he's not accustomed to, which heavily affected creative movement going forward.
Ambro - Ok overall, but not really a decent match, he can do a lot better.
Seedorf - always unpredictable how he'll play, today he was unfortunately not particularly good.
Kaka - decent opening half, looked a little worn out as the match went on as his shots or passes started losing precision.
Oliveira - probably the player that disappointed me most actually, as he literally disappeared in pretty much the whole second half other than his chances. If we were to have any luck today, he really needed to impose himself and become the link between the midfield and attack, which didn't happen. I will give him the benefit of the doubt though, its a tough role to do, but more importantly, he clearly hasn't adapted to Italy yet.
Pippo - he tried, but the lack of supply massively hurt his game.
I'm not going to worry about today's result, I did expect it. However, we must step up again next match and begin another run of victories.
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good post,I think Carlo would also have wanted to rest Kaka over the past two games, but too many players seem to be getting injured and taking up substitutions.
Im watching this lame excuse of a game between Real and Betis. Ironically the commentator just said Sobis doesnt seem the out and out striker Oliveira was. Betis will really miss him this season. Sounds very familiar to something I heard a commentator say about Oliveira and $heva
zlatanov
23-09-2006, 17:05
well, it's natural I guess - I mean, that's what commentators are supposed to do - keep their mouths busy :)
Having read all comments after Livorno - Milan games I feel very pity because our forum discussion is now so similar to Inter's Forum....blaming our own players, Coach etc.
Just compare all the contents of Livorno - Milan to Milan - Lazio comments...everyone praise Oliveira and not a single players was playing bad...
But now..not considering that Milan was playing an away game last night....everyone in this forum blaming our players and also the coach who we praised in the last 6 matches (3 in CL and 3 in Serie A)
What a contradictary comments I read....in 6 games I read only praise..praise and nothing but praise..but when we earn only 1 point (it was actually we got a penalty when Ambro got tackled)...not a single Milanista support our player and coach but blame...
Hope that I don't offend someone but please think it over calmly and give me your argument if I wrote it wrong.....
Milan IS NOT THAT BAD, NOT ALSO BONERA, OLIVEIRA AND EVEN MORE CARLETTO....a draw after 6 consecutive victories is quite acceptable and all the players are human and could get tired or having off day too.......
I'll save any commendation or criticism of this team for the CL. Not disappointed at all with the overall season up to this point. I think we are doing just fine.
FORZA MILAN!
Considering that we have -8, we are in a must to win every game, I know it's practically impossible, but we have to do that. If we slip like we did yesterday, in order to have any chance for the Scudetto inter and others have to slip more than us. Honestly yesterday we faced our toughest opponent (strong as Red Star) and we managed a draw.... inter won away vs Fiorentina & Roma!! I just hope that this is just a September exception.
We can argue that many of our players where on their darkest day this season and Livorno defended well, Ambro's penalty etc. I agree with the turnover but our problem is that we don't have a RB like Cafu, Bonera is a decent CB nothing more!!! Same for Favalli. I don't know why Serginho didn't start or at least Jankulovsky. We where static on both flanks.
In many games this season we are wasting a lot of substitutions becaususe many of our 34+ players are getting injured and I'm getting pissed of this.
Let's hope what happens in the next few games before sounding any pre alerts.
Warro Bantan
24-09-2006, 14:21
Way too early for us to start bemoaning our players and coach. Though I am usually quick to critisize Carlo for his choice of players, especially when he fields Ambro and Rino together....I wont:
1. Because I didnt see the game
2. After 6 straight victories, for us to lose 2 points isnt the end of the world, and Livorno at home are no walk in the park.
After the 0-3 thrashing we gave them last term, I wasnt surprised that they would play basically the game of their lives to steal some points from us.
Better the tie than 0 points.
FORZA MIIIIIIIIIIILAN!!
PS Whats this I read about Carlo and Seedrof having a row on the touchline during the game?:dontkn:
zZ[-_-]Zz
24-09-2006, 16:14
Serginho is injured thus he didn't start... Janku was most likely rested thus Favalli started...
Having read all comments after Livorno - Milan games I feel very pity because our forum discussion is now so similar to Inter's Forum....blaming our own players, Coach etc.
Just compare all the contents of Livorno - Milan to Milan - Lazio comments...everyone praise Oliveira and not a single players was playing bad...
But now..not considering that Milan was playing an away game last night....everyone in this forum blaming our players and also the coach who we praised in the last 6 matches (3 in CL and 3 in Serie A)
What a contradictary comments I read....in 6 games I read only praise..praise and nothing but praise..but when we earn only 1 point (it was actually we got a penalty when Ambro got tackled)...not a single Milanista support our player and coach but blame...
Hope that I don't offend someone but please think it over calmly and give me your argument if I wrote it wrong.....
Milan IS NOT THAT BAD, NOT ALSO BONERA, OLIVEIRA AND EVEN MORE CARLETTO....a draw after 6 consecutive victories is quite acceptable and all the players are human and could get tired or having off day too.......
I agree with most of your post, but its unfair to say that not a single Milanista supported the team and coach. Not every one was overly critical.
It was dissapointing, but as some here I also feel that it is acceptable to play a game like that after 6 wins and some good play.
As for the game, I think it was pretty obvious that we were missing Pirlo in that midfield. It might have been fine without Pirlo if only Seedorf had a better game. But with Seedorf having and off day, Ambro and Rino really failed to do much. They did provide good cover in defence, but it's no surprize that they didn't do a lot in the offensive part.That meant that everything was going through Kaka, who did good but was unlucky with his shots. The forwards didn't get great service although the two best chances were wasted by a dissapointing Oliveira. One in the beggining created by Pippo, and one towards the end off of a beautiful 50m pass by Pirlo.
Let's just hold on and see what happens what happens on Tuesday. It was a bad display yesterday but we can always bounce back. Its so early in the season to be calling people NOT-MILAN material!
Rando out of these big clubs you mention who have started perfectly for more than three games. Barca have won three out of three as had Milan. Real have won two out of three. Bayern three out of five, Inter, two out of three, Chelsea five out of six, united four out of six and Liverpool three out of six. So comeon you cant win every week.
How many matches have we watched before big European cup ties. Unfortunately no matter how experienced the players are the big game will always be in the back of their minds. None of them want to over do it and risk losing a match that could be disasterous for our European campaign.
stop treating and overpampering the players as if they were little boys. this is livorno, not liverpool, we should have won that match. CL match vs lille is not exactly the big and decisive match, besides are they mentally and physically that fragile not being able to put at least 80% effort just because they will play the next game in 3 days? if milan's target just want to finish top 4 not scudetto then this kind of result might be acceptable.
KingHenry®
25-09-2006, 04:56
well said rando, u have some good points...
stop treating and overpampering the players as if they were little boys. this is livorno, not liverpool, we should have won that match. CL match vs lille is not exactly the big and decisive match, besides are they mentally and physically that fragile not being able to put at least 80% effort just because they will play the next game in 3 days? if milan's target just want to finish top 4 not scudetto then this kind of result might be acceptable.
OK from now on I will expect Milan to win every game they ever play against a small team. :rollani:
Warro Bantan
25-09-2006, 10:33
Very few of the "Big" teams in Europe have had 100% win records this term...matter of fact, the only team in a major league in Europe with all wins, no draws or losses, (correct me if I am wrong please:D) is Portsmouth...the prerennial UCL winners, with 25 UCL titles, and the club always dominating the EPL.
:rollani:
hitmannq8
25-09-2006, 11:24
Portsmouth have drawn a game this weekend I believe.
I just didnt like the attitude in the match. Judging from the highlights, the first half was ours like the whole match should be. We created enough nice chances to score... we didnt, but we still had one half to go. But in second half as i saw, livorno was all over us, even hitting the bar. That was typicall milan playing bad round of football. Nothing to worry about (for now...)
There is one thing that bothers me. We beat lazio comfortably. Next day we had some troubles with parma and didnt even score from play (fk and penalty). Third round we won thanks to sublime move from pirlo-janku (we hit 2 posts but that still equalls no goal). 4th day we didnt score. So there we have 3 games in a row that our attack didnt score. I'm really happy to see all the team scoring, but if our attackers dont start to fill it frequently there can be more "no goal" matches in future...
I know is to late to comment in this game but I needded time
to accept the result and comment on it
I was so upset that we draw 0-0 to liverno and lost important
2 point espacialy as we played in first game -8 points and thanks god we
came over it but still Milan need every singel points
I got to see hight light and I was so sad we played bad and we lost many
chance to score
any way Good luck to Milan in our 2 game in champion league which I think
we'll hopefully win 3-1
OK from now on I will expect Milan to win every game they ever play against a small team. :rollani:
if you expect milan to win scudetto this season,then yes they better win every game vs small teams.
After the past two seasons we have had I dont expect anything. Im just going to enjoy the wins when they come and not worry about the odd game we lose. We will be Champions, unless Roma can keep it up all season.
To say that "Inter are alergic to the Scudetto" was funny like h**L :delol:
I too, have the same feeling, we will be champions unless Roma can keep it up. (Or Inter just might surprise us all).....
The mixed results of the scudetto race has really meant now that everyone could do it, Inter won Viola, Roma but stumbled against Samp and more of those could be coming, we are "the kings of hiccups"
Roma won also all matches except for Inter's
Milan won every match and tied with Livorno
The scudetto is a three horse race no doubt, but with that tie, Milan are definitly in a bad position.
The thing that might just turn things up for Milan is the derby in 28 days, can't wait!
Warro Bantan
02-10-2006, 09:44
Unfortunate result..I thought we were hesitant on the ball in the box...well, it aint over, but its just a wee bit harder now.
We really missed Gourcuff in this game...
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