Calciopoli 2?

[devoted_dm]

So it seems that after Milan and Inter were acquitted in the Plusvalenze trial, FIGC prosecutor Stefano Palazzi is now taking us to court again. This time we will stand before the sporting judge that punished us for our involvement in the Calciopoli scandal. If we are found guilty of falsely inflating player values to be able to qualify financially for the 05/06 season, we may be facing a deduction of points - again. And remember that this is a separate trial (or rather hearing) which is not connected to the Italian justice system in any way, so being acquitted in that trial means nothing, and other rules apply now.
This is from Gazzetta dello Sport.

I can't say I'm not worried about this, but I really wonder how they are going to prove that we falsely inflated our players' values. It's not like there is some sort of standard that says how much a particular player should be worth. It all depends on the wishes of the seller, the buyer and the player himself. Even if Galliani has been "inflating" player values, I wouldn't say that he's been doing something that is directly illegal, but rather operating in some sort of gray area for what is considered proper sporting conduct. And that might be enough for us to get punished by FIGC.

[hany.Egypt]

Dont bother, I not worried at all to be honest, I am sure that every thing will be OK for one reason which is Italian Football wont make if there is another scandal and all the FIGC members know this plus if they do it it will look like if Inter officials are the ones controling Italin football so they wont risk any other foolishness.

[devoted_dm]

Dont bother, I not worried at all to be honest, I am sure that every thing will be OK for one reason which is Italian Football wont make if there is another scandal and all the FIGC members know this plus if they do it it will look like if Inter officials are the ones controling Italin football so they wont risk any other foolishness.

Well Inter are also being charged. They could actually end up losing the Scudetto awarded to them after Juve was demoted during the Calciopoli scandal.

[hany.Egypt]

Well Inter are also being charged. They could actually end up losing the Scudetto awarded to them after Juve was demoted during the Calciopoli scandal.
Inter is also charged! I did not know that, well in this case you must feel worried, hmmmmmm....,but no, you shouldn't every thing will be all right, I assure you plus I dont mind if Inter ended up losing the Scudetto stolen from Juventus.

[Tony75]

So it seems that after Milan and Inter were acquitted in the Plusvalenze trial, FIGC prosecutor Stefano Palazzi is now taking us to court again. This time we will stand before the sporting judge that punished us for our involvement in the Calciopoli scandal. If we are found guilty of falsely inflating player values to be able to qualify financially for the 05/06 season, we may be facing a deduction of points - again. And remember that this is a separate trial (or rather hearing) which is not connected to the Italian justice system in any way, so being acquitted in that trial means nothing, and other rules apply now.
This is from Gazzetta dello Sport.

I can't say I'm not worried about this, but I really wonder how they are going to prove that we falsely inflated our players' values. It's not like there is some sort of standard that says how much a particular player should be worth. It all depends on the wishes of the seller, the buyer and the player himself. Even if Galliani has been "inflating" player values, I wouldn't say that he's been doing something that is directly illegal, but rather operating in some sort of gray area for what is considered proper sporting conduct. And that might be enough for us to get punished by FIGC.

If falsifying players value is a crime, then every english club should be up on charges too.

[Tony29.]

If falsifying players value is a crime, then every english club should be up on charges too.
The problem in this case was that players (completely anonimous 17 years old youngsters) whose market value was between 50-100K were being sold for 10 or 20 million euros. Milan was selling them to Inter and Inter was selling them to Milan.

One of these players ( i forgot his name) was being sold from Inter to Milan and from Milan to Inter at least 5 times.

[Rico]

Inter is also charged! I did not know that, well in this case you must feel worried, hmmmmmm....,but no, you shouldn't every thing will be all right, I assure you plus I dont mind if Inter ended up losing the Scudetto stolen from Juventus.
@@@Amen@@@

[Rayno_acm]

IMHO this a$$hole Palazzi wants to attract attention, he wants to remind us that he still exist... :rollani:

[slifersd]

Would another scandal finally force Berlusconi and Galliani to step down? Cause I would gladly accept some point deduction for that to happen.

[Warro Bantan]

slifersd.....are you really serious? You want Berlu to step down? And be replaced by whom? Where would the funds come from to maintain the club as a global powerhouse?

From your allowance perhaps? Or from the untold billions you have stashed away in Switzerland?

Without Berlusconi, in case you are unaware of his history with Milan, we would probably be back in Serie B....but since you want him to leave the club..who do you fancy as a replacement?

Surely you must be a multi billionaire with a few million to throw into the money pit that football clubs represent...(well in Serie A anyway). :dontkn:

[slifersd]

slifersd.....are you really serious? You want Berlu to step down? And be replaced by whom? Where would the funds come from to maintain the club as a global powerhouse?

From your allowance perhaps? Or from the untold billions you have stashed away in Switzerland?

Without Berlusconi, in case you are unaware of his history with Milan, we would probably be back in Serie B....but since you want him to leave the club..who do you fancy as a replacement?

Surely you must be a multi billionaire with a few million to throw into the money pit that football clubs represent...(well in Serie A anyway). :dontkn:


I want him to step down and be replaced by somebody else who still gives a crap about the team. In case you haven't noticed, there are tons of billionaires in the world. I am not one of them. But look at what American owners did for Manchester United, I would think selling the team to Americans wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Berlusconi's funds are not keeping this club as a global power house. Actually, the way he has been spending the last few seasons is killing the team. In a mere few seasons, we went from the best team in the league to second rate in the Serie A. At this rate, we will be fighting for UEFA spot every year in Serie A very very soon.

Berlusconi saved this team once from Serie B, but that doesn't mean nobody else could do the job. And now that he has lost his passion for the team, it is time for him to step down and get somebody else who actually wants the team to do well to take over. Maybe he is a Berlusconi or maybe a new owner from somewhere else, it doesn't matter, as long as he cares about the taem enough to actually spend some money on it.

I understand your gratitude towards Berlusconi and his accomplishments, but blindly following him won't do this team any good. He has been running this team like crap for a while now and that is the truth. Maybe he was once a great leader and maybe he still is, but as long as he doesnt produce results for this team, he needs to be replaced.

[devoted_dm]

I want him to step down and be replaced by somebody else who still gives a crap about the team. In case you haven't noticed, there are tons of billionaires in the world. I am not one of them. But look at what American owners did for Manchester United, I would think selling the team to Americans wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Berlusconi's funds are not keeping this club as a global power house. Actually, the way he has been spending the last few seasons is killing the team. In a mere few seasons, we went from the best team in the league to second rate in the Serie A. At this rate, we will be fighting for UEFA spot every year in Serie A very very soon.

Berlusconi saved this team once from Serie B, but that doesn't mean nobody else could do the job. And now that he has lost his passion for the team, it is time for him to step down and get somebody else who actually wants the team to do well to take over. Maybe he is a Berlusconi or maybe a new owner from somewhere else, it doesn't matter, as long as he cares about the taem enough to actually spend some money on it.

I understand your gratitude towards Berlusconi and his accomplishments, but blindly following him won't do this team any good. He has been running this team like crap for a while now and that is the truth. Maybe he was once a great leader and maybe he still is, but as long as he doesnt produce results for this team, he needs to be replaced.

It would be a distaster if the club came into foreign hands, I think. Unlike in England, the top league in Italy is still a national league. The players are mainly Italian, the managers are Italian, the owners are Italian. That's the way it should be.

I don't like Berlusconi as a politician, but I don't blame him for Milan's misfortunes. If not for him, this club would have gone bankrupt 22 years ago, and in the time that has passed since then, Milan have become the most-winning club in international football. Why complain?

I know that the recent transfer campaigns have been disappointing, but that is not Berlusconi's fault as much as Galliani and Braida. We actually had a deal with Luca Toni last summer, but due to the arrival of Pato in January it was canceled. A bad decision if you ask me, because it was not a surprise to anyone that Ronaldo spent most of the fall injured, and without Pato we only had three proper forwards to talk about. So we went through this fall with only two forwards, none of them being prolific goalscorers anymore. We really needed the services of someone like Luca Toni, but the management failed us. Not Berlusconi.

This season would have been so different for us if we had good forwards, because in midfield and defense we are second to none. We have only conceeded three goals less than Inter, and we have what is arguably the best midfield in Europe. All we needed was someone to score goals, but we had none, and thus we ended up getting a lot of disappointing results. It really annoys me to think about.

[slifersd]

It would be a distaster if the club came into foreign hands, I think. Unlike in England, the top league in Italy is still a national league. The players are mainly Italian, the managers are Italian, the owners are Italian. That's the way it should be.

I don't like Berlusconi as a politician, but I don't blame him for Milan's misfortunes. If not for him, this club would have gone bankrupt 22 years ago, and in the time that has passed since then, Milan have become the most-winning club in international football. Why complain?

I know that the recent transfer campaigns have been disappointing, but that is not Berlusconi's fault as much as Galliani and Braida. We actually had a deal with Luca Toni last summer, but due to the arrival of Pato in January it was canceled. A bad decision if you ask me, because it was not a surprise to anyone that Ronaldo spent most of the fall injured, and without Pato we only had three proper forwards to talk about. So we went through this fall with only two forwards, none of them being prolific goalscorers anymore. We really needed the services of someone like Luca Toni, but the management failed us. Not Berlusconi.

This season would have been so different for us if we had good forwards, because in midfield and defense we are second to none. We have only conceeded three goals less than Inter, and we have what is arguably the best midfield in Europe. All we needed was someone to score goals, but we had none, and thus we ended up getting a lot of disappointing results. It really annoys me to think about.

To me, one of the major problems with Italian soccer right now is the lack of innovation. The Serie A was once the best soccer league in the world but has fallen off so much since. One of the major reasons is that Italian clubs are running the club the same way they did 15 years ago. When England clubs are collecting cash like crazy on all kinds of business activities, Italian clubs are still relaying on owners to open their own pockets to sign players. If you ask me, a little fresh blood into the management in terms of foreign investment will not only provide more funds but also new innovative ways for clubs to generate cash. That, in the long term, will benefit Serie A and Italian soccer more than anything else.

As for the problems our team has, you'd have to be in denial if you think Berlusconi was not responsible for the transfer failures in recent years. Think about it this way, Galliani and Braida are the negotiators in the club, not the ultimate decision makers. The guy who ultimately say "yes, write the check and sign this guy." is Berlusconi. Galliani and Braida scouted the right players (maybe not all of them, but they did their share of work), they also negotiated the deals, but Berlusconi finally shut everything down because he doesn't want to spend on the team. It was not Galliani and Braida who rejected Toni or the dozens of players we could have signed over the last few seasons. It was Berlusconi's call to put a stop to those deals. The same thing with Shevchenko's sale. Berlusconi has become soley money motivated when it comes to running this team over the last 5 years or so. There are no other explanation over the choice of players this club has been bringining in other than their cheap price tags.

It is true that our defense has a pretty good record, but numbers don't tell the whole story. 5 years ago, our defense used to win us games. We used to be able to have a subpar attacking performances but still win games because our defense is rock solid. Nowadays, every time we score a goal, we have to wonder if one of the defenders will make a mistake or if Dida will hand out another free one to opposing players. Our defense might not seem like it has declined much numberwise, but they are not nearly as solid as they once were. As for the midfield, we have possibly the best starting four, but little depth behind them. When a team plays as many games as we do, you need at least 8 useful players who can contribute all the time. We only have 5 right now and based on our market activities over the last 5 years, that number is unlikely to increase anytime soon. Our attack is clearly the biggest problem, but blaming the decline of the team solely on our strikers is a bit unfair and is clearly over simplifying our problems.

[Kaka1899]

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Juventus Would Be Top If Not For Referees – Report

A report in the Gazzetta dello Sport this morning sensationally claims that Juventus would be top of the Serie A table had it not been for refereeing errors.

The latest controversy to have hit Serie A is the claim Inter are continuously being favoured by referees. The Nerazzurri are furious over the allegations, and even declared a press silence in protest, but this report is certain to only fan the fires.

The debate has really exploded in recent weeks after the Nerazzurri picked up wins over Parma and Empoli, mainly thanks to controversial penalty-decisions.

Juventus and Milan have both complained this season that they are being victimised by officials.

The Gazzetta dello Sport have decided to create a league table on where teams would be had it not been for refereeing errors.

Inter have obtained eight points more than they should have done, while Juventus would have been top of the league, as they would have had seven more.

In total this results in a 15-point difference between the totals of Juventus and Inter, meaning that Claudio Ranieri’s men would now be three points clear at the top of the table.

The report claims that Milan are the worst team effected, as they have received eight points less than they should have. With a game in hand, this in theory means that the Rossoneri would only be four points off the top-of-the-table, despite having what many labelled as their worse start to a domestic season in two decades.

Reggina, who are third-from-bottom are also badly hit, and would be in a comfortable mid-table position had it not been for refereeing mistakes.

These revelations are sure to anger Inter and their fans even further, while giving Milan, Juve and Roma fans more ammunition to have a go at the Nerazzurri.

Table (On the left are the number of points that each team would have had if referee decisions were correct. In brackets are the real, official points totals)

Juventus 48 points (41)

Inter 45 (53)

Roma 45 (45)

Milan 41 (33)

Fiorentina 36 (37)

Atalanta 33 (29)

Palermo 28 (28)

Sampdoria 28 (28)

Udinese 28 (33)

Napoli 27 (27)

Genoa 26 (28)

Reggina 25 (18)

Lazio 24 (23)

Livorno 23 (21)

Catania 21 (23)

Siena 21 (20)

Parma 19 (19)

Torino 18 (21)

Cagliari 16 (14)

Empoli 15 (16)



Food For Thought Guys.........

[jcastagn]

Not food for thought! All this crap does is make Serie A look bad, like we are a second tier league that complains about refs. It also makes it sound like our team is fine if not for the refrees, when that clearly isn't the case. My coach growing up used to say that there are two you cannot change in a game; 1. what the refs are going to call and 2, the condition of the pitch. You have to be able to play through those two things to be successful, not just point blame and the "it's not fair" defense. Start playing quality soccer and we wouldn't 'need' points from the refs to be competitive. Inter are clearly a better team then the rest of serie A, they have a deep team that right now knows how to win.

[Kaka1899]

im not saying our team is fine but look how the dissalowed goals that were quiet legit have cost us so bad we would already be fourth if all our legit goals stood and look how Inter would be hauled back if there handouts were removed

[forward]

im not saying our team is fine but look how the dissalowed goals that were quiet legit have cost us so bad we would already be fourth if all our legit goals stood and look how Inter would be hauled back if there handouts were removed
Champions of the world should play confidently enough that the results are not affected by referying decisions... IMHO

[Kaka1899]

Champions of the world should play confidently enough that the results are not affected by referying decisions... IMHO

You sound just like Galliani :devs:

[Warro Bantan]

Champions of the world should play confidently enough that the results are not affected by referying decisions... IMHO I cannot believe this statement!

I mean really...a ref is in the position to win or lose games for teams, hasnt the past experience with Moggi et al proven that?

No matter how good u are, (e.g. Inter v Juve, with Ronaldo´s vaild penalty appeal waved away, and Del Piero scoring the scudetto winning goal minutes later...) the ref is always in a position to influence the outcome...clear goals can always be disallowed (see Pippo´s "so called" offside goal vs Livorno)....non-existent penalties given, or clear cut pk appeals disregarded...(the 1st hand ball in the game vs Livorno).. :irritate:

The ref is at times, unfortunately, the ultimate game decider. :d55:

[Jeff]

They are the ultimate game decider but is it the case that it matters only if they favor one team but not others?

What I"m trying to say is: Referee A may make a mistake against team A but then make another mistake for team A the next game.

But of course, this is not saying that referee can then make mistakes. We know that the one game really matters..

[forward]

You sound just like Galliani :devs:
If Galliani had that kind of thinking, he wouldn't sleep through the winter transfer season, IMHO again :)

[forward]

I mean really...a ref is in the position to win or lose games for teams, hasnt the past experience with Moggi et al proven that?

In CL and other big games - yes, the referee can be decisive, although still not always...
In Serie A, I think Milan is capable of winning the game without questionable offside positions or handballs in the penalty area. Playing on the ground should just about do it.

[_Ace]

call me stupid, but playing on the ground isnt one of Milan professions :D, i dont think any team can keep it on the ground ;)

i dont think the Refs are giving Milan the handballs which they think they saw, but they are not sure of because of the Calciopoli.

but sometimes, they make too much mistakes that fans, coach, and Commentators cant just shut up about it :D

[Kaka1899]

i think its the fact in a scenario we score goals and they are ruled out for "offside" and inter are almost handed penaltys and free kicks to try and get one in, look at the Inter Parma game..... Corradi rugby tackled by cordoba at the waist refs choice nothing given then in the 93rd min Couto heads it away and its a penalty, now your saying that a rugby tckle is legal but heading it sint?

[forward]

Anyway, my opinion on this one hasn't changed -
Liverpool - Inter
Arsenal - Milan
will show who is who

[_Ace]

I can only hope that Inter loses to L'pool, although i hate them :D(L'pool)

[jcastagn]

We should not be pointing the finger anywhere else other than to us. Losing to Empoli at HOME, losing to Atalanta, tieing Livorno (who inter is beating 2-0 at HT), the list of disappointing results/performances is a lot longer than the refs mistakes. We don't score goals so when one is disallowed we get our panties is a tangle and ***** and moan, while in reality we should be scoring 2 to 3 goals against 3/4 of serie A.