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Zvonimir
17-03-2008, 09:17
I really pray not to qualify for the next Champions League.
This is the only way for the big duo to understand that the way they think they will destroy Milan. I am tired of reading that Milan wants Toni, Zambrotta etc, players with no actual motivation to play the game. What will happen if we make the 4th spot is they will say 'another year of trophies and the chance to win the champions league', we will believe them and we will again try to reach the fourth spot. In the past we were fighting with Juventus. Now, with Fiorentina and Palermo. And we believe things like 'we were concetrated in the Club World Cup'. Its just TWO games! How can one season be based on two games? For just two games we may play in UEFA next year? And buy another 30 year old ex-superstar. Milan used to create their own stars. We loved Boban, Leonardo, Weah, Van Basten, Shevchenko, Kaka, Pirlo, Maldini etc because we witnessed their ascent in the Milan jersey. That;s missing in Milan right now. It only happened with Pato.
So please, an UEFA Cup spot next year! This is the only way. We deserve being out. It's like justice. We made crimes for our future, we shall pay. And btw, summer of 2001, when Milan would play for UEFA, was the most spending one, Rui Costa, Inzaghi, Contra etc. Since then, with an exception of the next one with Nesta and Rivaldo and Seedorf, the absolute nothing. One player at a time, and besides Kaka, Pato and Gourcuff, all above the age of 30. We even signed Cafu at 33 for 2 years and we still count him. Jesus!
Please Fiorentina, make us pay. We deserve it.
HO-YOUNG
31-03-2008, 08:59
It is time we wake up and face reality... it's time to start a new era.
Bayern made their (and one of the biggest ever) spending summers with no CL. As long as Berlusconi and Galliani are willing to do it even the names mentioned in the fantasy thread are up for grabs.
We CAN sign: Mexes, Barzagli, Zambrotta, Dani Alves, Diego, Nasri, Aquilani, toni, Benzema.... We are AC MILAN; not Lazio...
AlessandroNesta
31-03-2008, 10:54
We CAN sign: Mexes, Barzagli, Zambrotta, Dani Alves, Diego, Nasri, Aquilani, toni, Benzema.... We are AC MILAN; not Lazio...
of course. maybe CL is so important for a few players like Toni, who haven't played in it... it's more important for Berlusconi because he will have to spend more of his money and we know that he doesn't love that...
atreides602
31-03-2008, 11:00
I'd say screw uefa , go for scudeto , i can't watch another season ruled by merda from begining to the end.
isnt Toni playing for Bayern for another 2/3 seasons atleast? :/
and we could any player if the management is willing to spend...
the only way milan will not sign players is to drop down to 12th place or lower..
Graeme C
31-03-2008, 12:03
i would also add Amelia to that list. I would prefer him to Dida/ kalac
If we show the money we can buy anyone (that "important players only go when you are playing CL football" argument has been proven wrong this season with Bayern).
And second, I would like us to try to win it. We have never won it, and I'm still bitter about the 2002 semifinal.
HO-YOUNG
31-03-2008, 14:37
2002 wen dortmund kicked the stripes out of us?
First of all I am still 99% sure that ACM will be in the CL final next season. I can even give the name of 2 finalists of 2009. It would be AC Milan vs Bayern Munich or AC Milan vs Lyon. But say some how we don't qualify, then I am 100% sure that ACM would win the Scudetto & the UEFA Cup & personally I prefare to see Paolo MAldini lifting 2 titles instead of 1 :p283: :510: :p283:
First of all I am still 99% sure that ACM will be in the CL final next season. I can even give the name of 2 finalists of 2009. It would be AC Milan vs Bayern Munich or AC Milan vs Lyon. But say some how we don't qualify, then I am 100% sure that ACM would win the Scudetto & the UEFA Cup & personally I prefare to see Paolo MAldini lifting 2 titles instead of 1 :p283: :510: :p283:
I'm 100.5% sure you're full of $#!% :funpc:
I'm 100.5% sure you're full of $#!% :funpc:
Now I think thats offensive.
I'm 100.5% sure you're full of $#!% :funpc:
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Ahmad Shiitead
It is sad if we don't go in CL next year ... with that final game normally in Roma (not sure yet, Platini said that if there still were problems in Roma, for example against MU, they would look for another stadium for the 2009 CL final).
If Milan is in UEFA, it will personnally be less games to watch ... because UEFA Cup is so boring (I'm saying that now, but if we go for it, I'm pretty sure I will watch anyway lol).
Like I said another time, UEFA Cup is a lot of matches, more than CL, and you often play against East Europe clubs ... so with our current team, we would be eliminated quickly, and if we wouldn't be so, we would be bad in Serie A.
So CL or nothing please (just Serie A and no excuse to lose) !!
Kaka1899
02-04-2008, 03:09
Serie A and Coppa?, and have two little badges on our shirts.
im sure we can pull something out of the bag, we will have fun watching Pato and Kaka running at levski Sofia's defence, wont we?
To whom it may concern,
As president of the S.W.A.T. International it is with regret that I am forced to write this letter of complaint. S.W.A.T ($h!t Writers Association Team) is committed to writing good $#!% on internet forums across the globe. Members of our distinguished organization have received numerous awards for the $#!%ty contents of our posts. We have, on numerous occasions, distanced ourselves from the poster above due to serious professional, philosophical and, quite frankly ethical differences of opinion. All members of S.W.A.T. have agreed unanimously with the above-mentioned sentiments and your inferred association of Mr 57's posts to $#!t is deemed as insulting to $#!t across the globe. We demand a full apology.
Regards,
Ahmad Shiitead
So, what do you want to say? Why do you use 'Ahmad'?
I'm 100.5% sure you're full of $#!% :funpc:
By the way I feel the same about you :)
im sure we can pull something out of the bag, we will have fun watching Pato and Kaka running at levski Sofia's defence, wont we?
I like that :de3:
Lets hope Liverpool, Arsenal & other old enemies fail to qualify for the knock out phase of the CL & come face to face with ACM. I won't mind ACM vs Liverpool part III as the Uefa Cup final :smileani:
hany.Egypt
02-04-2008, 07:38
So, what do you want to say? Why do you use 'Ahmad'?
Yes, I agree why?
Yes, I agree why?
That is some thing called "Over Confident", "Over Efficient" or "Over Active"
Yes, I agree why?
For you and Siregar: I used "Ahmad" because it's a pun on the words "A Mad" as in "a crazy" (person) it isn't meant to be offensive...if you take the whole name as a whole it's supposed to sound like "a mad $h!thead" :haha: it wasn't an attack/slur on the muslim or middle eastern community.....It's kind of like the way comedians use the name Ben Dover for it to sound like "bend over" :D
The entire post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek or sarcastically funny. I guess english has to be your native language for you to appreciate it. Sorry if I offended anyone :sweeteye:
HO-YOUNG
02-04-2008, 10:17
Can we choose not to play Uefa Cup and play only domestic matches?
Yes of course, actually, even when you qualify for the CL, you may refuse the qualification ... quite stupid in this case because CL allows the club to earn money, and players like this competition, so no club refuses that.
But for UEFA Cup, I don't remember any team refusing to play it directly, but I remember French teams who refused to play Intertoto (the first matches in summer) and so UEFA Cup ...
Anyway, even if for me, I'd rather a CL spot or nothing, I don't think that our management would refuse an UEFA Cup qualification: it's still an European cup (low level anyway until semi-finals/final) and as a consequence, that can attract some players ...
For you and Siregar: I used "Ahmad" because it's a pun on the words "A Mad" as in "a crazy" (person) it isn't meant to be offensive...if you take the whole name as a whole it's supposed to sound like "a mad $h!thead" :haha: it wasn't an attack/slur on the muslim or middle eastern community.....It's kind of like the way comedians use the name Ben Dover for it to sound like "bend over" :D
The entire post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek or sarcastically funny. I guess english has to be your native language for you to appreciate it. Sorry if I offended anyone :sweeteye:
I understand the second name but failed to understand the first one. Now I understand what you mean. Thank you for your explanation.
why not play in UEFA cup? its a new experience... and i think it could be very useful for Milan...
but i still have hopes that we can get CL Spot.. :D
HO-YOUNG
02-04-2008, 13:38
why not play in UEFA cup? its a new experience... and i think it could be very useful for Milan...
but i still have hopes that we can get CL Spot.. :D
It is bad and not so bad to be beaten by Arsenal in the CL but to be beaten by Zagreb and Sophia in the UEFA Cup would be rock bottom... I strongly believe that if play Uefa cup the Big Headed two wont sign anyone...look at it... they will feel that the present squad can win Uefa Cup... I say we save our selves the embarssment and play only Domestic competitions....
By the way I feel the same about you :)
:haha: :haha: I think you should get top marks for standing up for yourself and for being polite about it :v103:
For those having trouble with Dru's name pun, think of the Simpson's and what Bart does when he phones Moe's bar. Here's one:
Amanda Kissandhug
(A Man To Kiss And Hug)
Does that help anyone? :D
Astafjevs
03-04-2008, 18:26
It is bad and not so bad to be beaten by Arsenal in the CL but to be beaten by Zagreb and Sophia in the UEFA Cup would be rock bottom... I strongly believe that if play Uefa cup the Big Headed two wont sign anyone...look at it... they will feel that the present squad can win Uefa Cup... I say we save our selves the embarssment and play only Domestic competitions....
I think they have realised that signings have to be made. We've done very well to keep up with the major European and Italian teams, considering the little money that has been spent on the side.
Guys, if we didn't play in the UEFA cup that would be a total insult to UEFA and to football; it is also a sure sign of major snobbery. Think about what you are saying-Milan should be so selfish that we chose to opt out of a european competition? All along, everyone says Milan is great, Milan is passion...well Milan is great and passion wherever we play. Are you going to opt out of Serie B because it's "beneath us?" Give me a break. All I know is if Milan don't play in the Uefa Cup, we will be looked at as sore losers and pathetic.
With some good signings, we could play all competitions ... but if the team is approximately the same that it is this year, so I'd rather insulting UEFA and football ... lol
=> All depends of your objectives and your players, if you have enough players to play all competitions, so do it, if you don't have enough players, you're suicidal to play them all.
Anyway, we will play UEFA Cup if we get qualified for this poor and boring competition instead of CL.
I completely disagree with you. I don't know how you can bear the thought of not playing in CL against all the top-team and settle for less.
I'm merging this to another simliar post "UEFA cup reality".
Astafjevs
05-04-2008, 14:32
I partly agree with this post, but also partly with you Jeff. I think he's right though, that the only way we will spend and realise the squad needs money spent on it is by failing to make the CL.
zakakhan
06-04-2008, 03:07
forget about those players who commit their future with other clubs. Look for those who were there for grab. quality striker like Dimitar berbatov, Agguerro and speedy winger shaun wright phillips is willing to move on. but Milan should change their approach, they still want player who's already past their prime like shevshenko...
HO-YOUNG
07-04-2008, 14:48
forget about those players who commit their future with other clubs. Look for those who were there for grab. quality striker like Dimitar berbatov, Agguerro and speedy winger shaun wright phillips is willing to move on. but Milan should change their approach, they still want player who's already past their prime like shevshenko...
Shaun Wright Phillips is crap...he just a runabout player...considered the worst and may be...
Now I think thats offensive.
yes iagree with you
hitmannq8
13-04-2008, 20:53
Fiorentina's hardest two games come against Palermo and Sampdoria which are both home, and they play Cagliari away in what could be a tough one..
We need Fiorentina to fail to win in 2 of the remaining 5, given the fact that we have won all our 5 games ofcourse.. Doesnt sound too hard right? No it doesnt, but when you take a look at our 5 games, then you will see that these 5 games could be even harder than the 5 games we won in last year's CL that gave us the trophy..
3 of the 5 games will be against Inter, who are superior to us and are fighting for the title... another game against Udinese who are trying to get into the CL and are no walk in the park... and then we have a game at one of the hardest stadiums in Serie A, we will be playing in the San Paolo against Napoli.
I am not too confident but will not give up hope just yet
Anything is possible, but the way we are going and with the squad we have, I am now realistically thinking Uefa Cup football next year.
Next season we can play for UEFA cup, Italian cup, serie a and the European supercup after we win UEFA... If we dont paly CL we need to go for all of these trophys. But Inter and Juve AND Roma will be stronger then this year, serie a in generall will be stronger, so Milan will not be good enough with just Dinho, old Sheva and Zambro...
We will see, but if some player doesnt want to play for Milan becouse of one season without CL, then he is not welcomed in any sence in the end. There are a lot of players who are ready for Milan: Barzagli, Mexes, Cigarini, Aquilani, Montolivo, Dossena...and are all great players.
Berlusconi has won the elections n Italy and is poised to become prime minister again, well folks now he can focus on the mercato this coming summer. bring R10, sheva, zambro, flamini.....
HO-YOUNG
14-04-2008, 08:55
We need more than a aging Zambrota...get Dani Alves, Elano, Flamini, and a big targetman like drogba or Gomez...
For the money milan's alleged paying for Ronaldinho, we could be bringing in Benzema or Fabregas :argue:
For the money milan's alleged paying for Ronaldinho, we could be bringing in Benzema or Fabregas :argue:
Real life isn't like Football Manager. Benzema and Fabregas are not for sale this year at any price.
If us and fiorentina finish level on points is it goal difference or a play off that decides who qualifys?
HO-YOUNG
15-04-2008, 17:21
When was the last time we failed to finish in the top four?
When was the last time we failed to finish in the top four?
Season 2000/2001
Milan finished 6th back then. Bierhoff-Shevchenko played in attack,Leonardo, Albertini and Boban were still playing. Gattuso was very young and everyone though "WTF is this guy doing in football".
Comandini was considered a great talent but he failed. Jose Mari was a flop,Redondo came as a huge signing but he was injured before the start of the season. Chamot, Sala and Roque Junior were a real disaster in defense. Ibrahim Ba had a bad season, Serginho and Ambrosini were solid and i still don't know what were guys like Guglielminpietro and Giunti doing in a team like Milan.
I think the manager was Cesare Maldini, but i'm not sure, because it may have been a year with Zaccheroni at the helm.
ACMILAN1983
16-04-2008, 01:59
If us and fiorentina finish level on points is it goal difference or a play off that decides who qualifys?
I believe it's based on head to head results. Seeing as that's a draw and win for us, it would mean we'd go through to CL.
Gio-mania
16-04-2008, 07:08
yes - direct games. if that doesnt settle it then its goal difference, but we are covered.
Its 5 games left, one's the derby, then against some relegation contestants and then Udinese... i believe we can manage to make 4th place, but i can just as easily imagine the opposite.
Hey, you can be the new Bayern Munchen of the next season of the UEFA Cup :D
When you think about it, you have vaguely similar circumstances, both big teams, going into transition, the cathc i sthat Bayern have now completed their transition, you are beginnning, take from Bayern a lesson, no seriously take them as an example
That's of course if you don't finish in the top four, we gave you a chance, a lifeline, but if you don't manage at least to tie points with La Viola by the time the derby comes you could be in deep trouble because who knows what will happen in the derby.
i hope inter will get pwned in the derby...
and seeing we have Kalac in goal and not Dida i can see Milan going out with atleast a point :D
:D
Milan are improving though, you need just to get it all together again after the defeat in Turin and hope that Viola lose a match
We're going to win that derby: that will allow us to come back 4th, allow Roma to come back on Inter, and will be our launch for the next season (winning Scudetto !! And CL of course ...) !!
Real life isn't like Football Manager. Benzema and Fabregas are not for sale this year at any price.
Errr mate, in the real world that I live in........everyone's got a price :bri:
I don't know if you know, but if we were buying Benzema AND Fabregas (of course, everyone/thing has a price nowdays ... but what a price !! Benzema at least 65-70M € and Fabregas isn't for sale, so at least 150M €), we wouldn't be able to buy anyone else !!
And our team doesn't need 2 "fuoriclasse", but several very good players ...
HO-YOUNG
17-04-2008, 11:52
this is the situation i want for the derby day: Milan and La Viola are tied on points and Roma and Inter tied on points...We kick inter in the teeth and Roma win the league and we get 4th spot....Inter would Hate Us even more...Roma would then give us two of their italian midfielders on discount.
haha......amazing ho-young. I think everyone would accept that scenario.
impalemeplz
19-04-2008, 18:45
It is time we wake up and face reality... it's time to start a new era.
agreed. i am definately in this boat.
i think its going to be a 2 year rebuild, so we are looking post wc10, and ronaldinho is just a tool, for shirt sales, to finance that rebuild. the man himself, kaka, will be 28 by then and god willing still going strong~
frey(12m pounds) - pretty much a question of when. not if.
santacroce/zapata(8m) - no newsflash here
senderos(6m) - i think italian is the only language he doesnt know but the serie a is a much better match for his attributes, imo.
de silvestri(7m) - rb of the future and i think another case like frey.
flamini(free) - will be hard to get w/o champs league, to entice him, but milan should go all out to get him as he is currently a free agent. (if not then l.diarra(7m) from portsmouth.)
adriano(9m) - another one to add to the brazilian contingent and reminds me very much of serginho.
cigarini(10m) - another case like frey.
gomez(12m) - great poacher and excellent top speed.
---------------frey--------------
de silvestri-nesta-santacroce-adriano
-------l.diarra-cigarini-nasri--------
---------------kaka---------------
-----------gomez----pato---------
i think once the champs league football comes then its time to save the bank for nasri(25m+). ~100 million pounds on xfer fees over the next 5-6 xfer windows. (~130 million euros.)
quite a hefty first post but thats my .02c
Somehow I am sure Flamini won't be free...
It doesn't hurt him a tiny bit to extend his contract while it gets Arsenal a load of money...
impalemeplz
19-04-2008, 19:13
Somehow I am sure Flamini won't be free...
It doesn't hurt him a tiny bit to extend his contract while it gets Arsenal a load of money...
i think it would hurt flamini as free agents usually get higher wages ala sol campbell in 2001 and the list goes on.
How do you feel? How does it make you feel?
Well with the players we get I think we are favourites to win it. :)
I don't think it is that bad at all. Surely it will be a big defeat for the world of football to lose the greatest team ever in CL. Oh well... That's what our opponents will say.
TBH, I think it's healthy with a change too. A breath of fresh air.
I thought we already have a thread about UEFA possibility?
If Milan doesn't get into CL, I think we'll have a charge for the Serie A for sure...
ACMILAN1983
23-04-2008, 08:10
Merged UEFA cup threads together.
HO-YOUNG
23-04-2008, 17:02
How do you feel? How does it make you feel?
Well with the players we get I think we are favourites to win it. :)
I don't think it is that bad at all. Surely it will be a big defeat for the world of football to lose the greatest team ever in CL. Oh well... That's what our opponents will say.
TBH, I think it's healthy with a change too. A breath of fresh air.
Which players we get/got?
Juventino
23-04-2008, 19:11
It's too bad Milan won't be qualifying for the C.L, it would probably mean Ronaldinho not joining you .
jcastagn
23-04-2008, 20:08
It's too bad Milan won't be qualifying for the C.L, it would probably mean Ronaldinho not joining you .
It's too bad that the Champions League can't be bought or juventus might have more than 2. I'd rather have 7 CL trophy's than numerous shady scudetto's.
:5schal:
Which players we get/got?
Zapata and Drogba. To start the slaughter of the lamb
HO-YOUNG
08-05-2008, 13:03
Close this forum now...
ACMILAN1983
09-05-2008, 08:02
Close this forum now...
Close the forum? I'm sure quite a number of users will be upset if we did that ;)
As for this thread, there's no reason to close it, there's still a very realistic chance we'll play UEFA cup next season.
HO-YOUNG
09-05-2008, 13:37
Close the forum? I'm sure quite a number of users will be upset if we did that ;)
As for this thread, there's no reason to close it, there's still a very realistic chance we'll play UEFA cup next season.
we stopped throwing away advantage since Istambul!!!! especially when Pippo is fit... i do believe in Milan to hang on to fourth as it our Holy Grail.
ACMILAN1983
10-05-2008, 02:55
we stopped throwing away advantage since Istambul!!!! especially when Pippo is fit... i do believe in Milan to hang on to fourth as it our Holy Grail.
We already threw away our advantage in our league position earlier this year when we were 4th.
Also, this year we've thrown away a lot of advantages in matches. Examples include Roma (1-0 up to lose 2-1), Inter (1-0 up to lose 2-1) and Juve (2-1 up to lose 3-2).
Kaka1899
10-05-2008, 04:11
We already threw away our advantage in our league position earlier this year when we were 4th.
Also, this year we've thrown away a lot of advantages in matches. Examples include Roma (1-0 up to lose 2-1), Inter (1-0 up to lose 2-1) and Juve (2-1 up to lose 3-2).
just think thats 9 points more we could have had :sigh:
oh ten if we had scored our penalty against Atalanta?
Against Juve and especially Roma were the most dissapointing to me because we played well (eve better than them) in these games.
hany.Egypt
10-05-2008, 04:57
Ok, Siregar I know you won't like this but in these 2 games we paid the price because our COACH did make mistakes, first in Roma when he subbed Seedorf who was the best player in the game and was NOT injured with fatty Emerson and even when Emerson entered the pitch he should have told him to play as DM and give Pirlo more freedom to go forward but, he did not and he played infront of Pirlo which was really ununderstandble, and the second in Torino when he played with useless Simic, he could have played with Ambro in defence and poor Gorky in the midfiled
Ok, Siregar I know you won't like this but in these 2 games we paid the price because our COACH did make mistakes, first in Roma when he subbed Seedorf who was the best player in the game and was NOT injured with fatty Emerson and even when Emerson entered the pitch he should have told him to play as DM and give Pirlo more freedom to go forward but, he did not and he played infront of Pirlo which was really ununderstandble, and the second in Torino when he played with useless Simic, he could have played with Ambro in defence and poor Gorky in the midfiled
No, it's not Carlo's fault but it's Carlo who made Milan able to play well like in those two games. Plese remember that before Roma match we were in awful condition.
I, myself, still blame boards not giving Carlo enough fuel (players) to face Serie A, CL, World Club Cup and Coppa in this season! Again, I still say, it is stupid for people who just fill in a tank with 50 liter gasoline but he knows the distance they have to go is 100 km (boards knew that we would face tons of games and they 'didnt' do anything at the beginning of the season but they still moaned about tired players!). But it's idiot not to fill in the tank again in the middle of the journey when they are able to fill in the thank (winter transfer)!
hany.Egypt
10-05-2008, 06:23
defintly they are mistaken but he is more mistaken then them I mean in the begining of the season he should insisited than he needs new players, he shouldn't have said some thing like Milan and Inter will compete for Lo Scodettuo and Roma will be behined them while the entire world knows that Milan don't have a big and deep squad for such champioship, imagine if it was some one like Cappello who was in charge would he accept something like this? will any coach in the world plays against Parma, Torino, Genoa and a likes at home with a lone striker and 3 DM!
The management made a mistake by not bringing younger players to the team, that's for sure, but Carlo made a bigger mistake by not asking and insisting on that, that's why he must be blamed.
defintly they are mistaken but he is more mistaken then them I mean in the begining of the season he should insisited than he needs new players, he shouldn't have said some thing like Milan and Inter will compete for Lo Scodettuo and Roma will be behined them while the entire world knows that Milan don't have a big and deep squad for such champioship, imagine if it was some one like Cappello who was in charge would he accept something like this? will any coach in the world plays against Parma, Torino, Genoa and a likes at home with a lone striker and 3 DM!
The management made a mistake by not bringing younger players to the team, that's for sure, but Carlo made a bigger mistake by not asking and insisting on that, that's why he must be blamed.
That's not Carlo's mistake IMO. We are not a club that let Coach moan like Maurinho did. I dont know maybe that's Carlo's type that accept the condition he has and utilizes the best he can what he has.
Actually Carlo did say things about players he wanted to but I dont know if he asked the boards to buy those players (Tony, Ribery for example). Some news said Tony was vetoed by Berlusconi.
About tactic using 3 DM, I think it's again because of lack of squad dept and decent players. We cant force Seedorf to play in his old position and we can't expect so highly from Gourcuff either. If Carlo has attacking player like old-Seedorf to play in midfield, I am sure Carlo will play him there. Remember, Carlo used Seedof and Pirlo plus ONLY 1 DM (Gattuso) for his tactic with 2 strikers for years and there was a time the fullbacks were Serginho and Cafu (I doubt other Coach would do that except Rijkaard). So, it's only matter of having players IMO.
Zenit St Petersburg will surely win it ... come on Zenit!
Then afterwards we'll hopefully buy Arshavin :D
HO-YOUNG
11-05-2008, 12:37
At time i wish we had a Moggi :(
Briliant.We dont disarved 4 place
jcastagn
11-05-2008, 19:42
If we end up in the UEFA Cup then I hope we beat the crap out of everyone! FORZA MILAN!
^ I agree
for short term, yes it is bad to play in UEFA cup, but for long term I think It will do us good coz it will give us time to consolidate (with new players) without having too much pressure on the team.
just hope that the management sign good players as promised. 4 or 5 are fine, with atleast 1 or 2 good signings in the following seasons.
well.. lads take for the brightside. if we play in UEFA Cup that also fine for us. at least that trophy is what missing from our cabinet :tong:
ACMILAN1983
12-05-2008, 02:06
Seems I made the right decision not to close this thread
well.. lads take for the brightside. if we play in UEFA Cup that also fine for us. at least that trophy is what missing from our cabinet :tong:
We don't aim the second-class trophy like UEFA, but if that's what it takes to awake us, so be it!
I like what you guys are thinking about.
We do not deserve the 4th spot, we do not deserve to compete in UCL next season.
Milan is bad this season, I can't find the differences between AC Milan, The 6times UCL winner, and Siena.
I wish next season, we will be an AC Milan again.
ACMILAN1983
12-05-2008, 10:45
I like what you guys are thinking about.
We do not deserve the 4th spot, we do not deserve to compete in UCL next season.
Milan is bad this season, I can't find the differences between AC Milan, The 6times UCL winner, and Siena.
I wish next season, we will be an AC Milan again.
7 times CL winners, not 6 ;) .
Fiorentina don't deserve CL anymore than Milan, just depends on who's most inconsistent.
hitmannq8
12-05-2008, 17:37
Ofcourse fiorentina deserve it more, they are in fourth spot and they dont have the finances we have nor do they have world-class players that we have.
At least we can enjoy winning the UEFA cup for the first time.... but sigh thats just as sad as how Juve were celebrating winning the Serie B last year
Ofcourse fiorentina deserve it more, they are in fourth spot and they dont have the finances we have nor do they have world-class players that we have.
Fio deserves the forth place because of finances and having-world-class point of view? Liverpool, Arsenal etc (lower/smaller club) will then tell Milan (CL's Winner 2007), Barca (CL's winner 2006) that they deserved the CL more because they didnt have money as much as Milan and Barca and they also had fewer world-class player.
I am still in my statement that if Milan and Fio get same points, the deserved team is the team who is better between them (goal difference and face-to-face result).
7 times CL winners, not 6 ;) .
Fiorentina don't deserve CL anymore than Milan, just depends on who's most inconsistent.
Sorry, :v46: seven I mean
OMG,how could I forget how many times Milan won the UCL?
I guess now you guys are questioning if I am a real Milan fan :D
IMO, Viola deserve a place in UCL more than we do. 4th-10th spots are where they should be, I think, and now that's where they are! It means they're more consistent.
in our side, we wear red-black but we play like we are not AC Milan.
zakakhan
13-05-2008, 02:27
Milan should blame only them self and may be they don't deserve CL next season.
ACMILAN1983
13-05-2008, 03:57
Ofcourse fiorentina deserve it more, they are in fourth spot and they dont have the finances we have nor do they have world-class players that we have.
At least we can enjoy winning the UEFA cup for the first time.... but sigh thats just as sad as how Juve were celebrating winning the Serie B last year
Sorry, :v46: seven I mean
OMG,how could I forget how many times Milan won the UCL?
I guess now you guys are questioning if I am a real Milan fan :D
IMO, Viola deserve a place in UCL more than we do. 4th-10th spots are where they should be, I think, and now that's where they are! It means they're more consistent.
in our side, we wear red-black but we play like we are not AC Milan.
No worries anyone can make mistakes.
The team that has the most points at the end of the next match will deserve it. Fio may not have the financial power and resources we have, but in the end it’s the results that count.
Fio may not have the financial power and resources we have, but in the end it’s the results that count.
Yes, and if we compete in UCL next season, and lift the trophy up, it will fiancially be a benefit for Italy, especially Milano. Perhaps, More than half of italian are behind us now :hopefull:
t.gianni
14-05-2008, 12:49
I don't know what you guys think but, for me playing in Uefa Cup would be another experience on par with playing with Champions league.
As you may have noticed, Uefa cup has gotten very exiciting in the recent years. Some of the exciting matches that have taken place in the past:
-2008: Zenit vs Bayern & Rangers vs Fiorentina (at least or Rangers' fans)
-2007: Espanyol vs Sevilla (The final minutes were spectacular)
-2006 should be considered as an exception because Mcclaren the then manager of Middlesborough had signed for England as a result Middlesborough were disoriented against Sevilla.
-2005: Sporting vs CSKA (This was the best match in the last five years of UEFA cup history. Sporting (I think) were probably the first team in the history of the cup to play a final on their home turf. It was just a co-incidence. CSKA, in spite of being the only Russian team to have ever been in the final and playing it at the opponents home, beat Sporting 3-1. This was when talents like Vagner Love and Daniel Carvalho were first recognized.
These are just some matches on top of my head. There might be many more exciting matches.
Trust me guys, if we do end up qualifying for Uefa, we will have a great time watching matches because they are so unpredictable. Yes it will be humiliating but once you realize the magic of this great cup you will forget about everything.
Seeing that we will be adding a sizeable amount of new players, UEFA cup will serve as a stepping stone towards playing more important matches in UCL in the following years.
Also, some of the teams which have played in the UCL in recent years have had same opponents. For eg: Chelsea Barcelona, Milan Liverpool, Man U Roma, Chelsea Liverpool, etc.
Lets not be so pessimistic about this tournament. After all we create out destiny and we should accept the consequences of our actions.
So what do you guys think? :5ok:
Snapster
15-05-2008, 10:39
The only thing we should do in the UEFA is win it, like we should have not so long ago if it wasn't for a collapse. It's not a glamorous tournament, and it obviously lacks the revenue of the CL but if we are made to play in it then we should target nothing but glory. If there are a few good matches on the way all the better.
It's the only trophy missing from our huge display cabinet and we'd be part of the Exclusive club that have won CL, UEFA and Cup Winners Cup. :)
Well UEFA Cup football next season is a reality. I must agree with Gianni. I'm rather looking forward to it. It means we can aim for the Scudetto without the CL to distract us. If we were to win the UEFA Cup next season we would also have a shot at another european supercup.
ambrogirl
18-05-2008, 16:48
carletto called it a purgatory; for me that says it all. Ac milan will lose a lot of money by playing eufa cup,and alot of top quality players would not want to join a team that is playing in a mikey mouse cup,but that is our destiney for now,so let's make the best of it.The scudetto it is next season.
pece4ever
18-05-2008, 17:00
Ambrogirl dont worry about players, good players will come for sure, players which will not come are not a great players, (i mean Amauri) that kind of players are not great, they only want to be a name that someone will remeber (i dont think so).
So baby, dont worry, Ronaldinho will come for sure and other players, remeber my words.
After all, Uefa cup is not a such a little deal. Another trophy, easy trophy in very tough concuration it will be great.
I'm feeling like it will be a good adventure for us next year. Remember back in the 90's when there was a real mix of teams-we played Salzburg in 94 i think...it will give us humility and a fresh approach to the seriousness of the scudetto and reaching the CL. I watched the uefa cup all year, and i enjoyed seeing the different teams and teams really going for it without as much pressure; and i want to add it to our trophy cabinet too!
[QUOTE=Snapster]The only thing we should do in the UEFA is win itQUOTE]
I would prefer winning scudetto
Winning UEFA doesn't guarantee a place in UCL for us
I thought it does?
I don't see Milan not qualifying for CL next year.
I would also prefer winning the lo scudetto than the UEFA cup, though if we make it to the semi-final we should go to win it so that we can get another super cup :D.
J
Snapster
20-05-2008, 04:41
I would prefer winning scudetto
Winning UEFA doesn't guarantee a place in UCL for us
If it's a choice I would also easily take the scudetto from those phantom 'champions' Merdas. My point was now that we are in it, we might as well win it to complete the collection, hell I want both lo scudetto and UEFA.
It's not so bad that we lost 4th place. It gives us breathing room and it will be easier for the younger players we will bring in. It's easier for, let's say, Paloschi to play in UEFA Cup than CL. There is less pressure.
And it allows the group to grow. :)
Gule-Pirlo
21-05-2008, 08:13
bayern munich tought that they would easily get UEFA so it's not easy to win!
jcastagn
21-05-2008, 10:14
We should we the scudetto, lift the UEFA cup, and beat the sh!t out of the CL winner in the UEFA Supercup! That would be a pretty good season.
Yes, jcastagn, but that's unlikely without some investments in the current squad ;).
bayern munich tought that they would easily get UEFA so it's not easy to win!
Yet they came pretty close, besides Zenith played on a champions leaugue level (they will play CL next season). We should learn from that, we can win it but we shouldn't underestimate any team in the knock out fase. Some people may call it the Micky Mouse cup but I certanly don't agree. Scudetto should be our main objective but winning this cup means we played wel and are still among Europes best. Especially if it means we can forget this lousy season.
What makes me worry is the fact that UEFA Cup match is scheduled to be played on Thursday. Given our current team, we will struggle to regain the fitness to play serie A games on Sunday. And with the slow start at the beginning season, at the second half of the season the pressure will become almost unbearable.
I don't worry too much about that Nalx. I think we'll have a much more balanced team with rotations. Kaka' will not be playing every single UEFA cup game, like he had to in the CL. It will be a good chance to blood youngsters, and the psychological pressure is not as high. Plus, all signs I get are that the team next year has goal number 1 as the scudetto. Look at Bayern, they just seem to be the easiest template to compare with, as they reloaded their squad, enjoyed a good cup run, and bossed the league. My feeling from what I've read regarding their losing in the uefa cup is something along the lines of "oh well, we won the league and are back where we belong, it was fun, see ya in the real deal". Milan can cope with this, unless we get drawn a group that includes matches in Siberia, Finland, and some other horrible conditions to travel.
I have a feeling we are going to rampage at the beginning of the year, and like there might be a deal with Carlo such as "If you are not in the top 3 and more than 5 behind the leaders, you are gone". This will eliminate the horrible starts that we've suffered. Plus, there won't be CL qualifying, and we'll see how the players return from EURO 2008. We'll be better at the start or carlo is sacked this year i'm sure.
We wont focus in UEFA as we've done in 2001/02 with Carlo. Normally we concentrate more in CL (means we dont use important players in Leauge's games before CL's games if the recovery time is too short) then in UEFA is the opposite. We will save our stars' energy in UEFA matches for Serie A games (if the time between UEFA game and Serie A game is too short).
remote2book
22-05-2008, 14:48
why cant we focus on both? i read everyone is saying we wont focus on uefa and only on the league but we cant we do both...that will really show our worth instead of concentrating on 1 single thing every eyar why not multiple like the coaches and mangament promise us every season? look at Man u...they win the league and the CL they also made it far in the FA cup...Carling cup...while we make up excuses and go for one single thing...when will we ever be like the old milan? where we could litterly challenge on all fronts....
because UEFA is not a priority; just like you won't hear people saying, 'let's focus on coppa italia and serie A"...
But, if you ahve enough squad depth, why not ;)?
Gabriel489
23-05-2008, 00:33
I think MIlan is a big club that can win UEFA, Coppa and Series A all together
I think MIlan is a big club that can win UEFA, Coppa and Series A all together
Bayern can win,But they didn't :u56:
Bayern can win,But they didn't :u56:
they were unfortunetely met Zenit. who knows that they looked like a hurted lion when they played. well deserved, Zenit was awesome.
i wont say this UEFA Cup isn't the priority. well.. to cocky if you say that. because history tells many big teams failed to won that. lets just say we will meet different clubs and different styles of football. the one that has to stick in our head that higher probability that we will meet the club that we never see them playing before. that's the challenge. i think the key when Zenit won the cup before met Rangers and beat Bayern is also because of that. surely, Zenit players and coach often see Bayern plays in Bundesliga. but Bayern .. i dont think they will even think "wow.. today is Zenit's game, gotta get my TV and catch for it" that's why they never knew how Zenit plays. probably we will meet many strange club in this competition. lol.. those clubs names quite funny indeed: Metalist Kharkiv (their name remains me with the name like some magician or something ^^ ), Mlada Boleslav (i always think about prime minister whenever i hear this name ^^ ), Litex Lovech (sounds like toy company or something made from plastic :D ), Midtjylland (alot remains me with Disneyland :D ). but never underestimate them. who knows that our 1st squad with Kaka, Pirlo, Seedorf, Pato, Pippo, Nesta (or even Flamini the new comer include them) will lose against the team from Disneyland like Midtjylland :tong: never say never.. the ball is round :guw:
I think MIlan is a big club that can win UEFA, Coppa and Series A all together
Milan IS a big club, but to win serie A and UEFA you need more than just being a big club, you need a big quality squad. That's why Kaka said that to compete for scudetto, we need at least 17 good players. That means quality starters (which I believe we have) and subtitutions (which we clearly don't possess now).
For example look at Arsenal this season. They did well until the second half of the season before their brilliant performance rapidly declined. Some suggested it was due to immaturity. But Sir Alex Fegusson theorized that the injury of some key players cost them the EPL and UCL.
On the other side look at what SAF has done this year. He has Rooney, Giggs, Ronaldo, and Park on his disposal. If it were Milan, I'm sure that the board wouldn't bother to do some mercato. But SAF chose to buy Nani, Tevez and Anderson, and his decision paid off. Towards the end of the season while other teams began to lose their key players due to injuries or fatigues, MU maintained their pace both in EPL and UCL.
Galliani said after the win against Inter that Milan can beat any team if they have their complete squad. That's true. But we can't expect Kaka or Pirlo to be as creative as they can be after playing for 40 matches can we?
Everton, Spurs & Portsmouth, just bring them on & also Valencia old enemy Ajax :)
& Who knows maybe other old enemies fail to qualify from groups & meet us in UEFA cup next year sooner than we all are expecting :u125:
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