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What a shame ...shame shame shame on burlesconi and co. i suppose he was too expensive for us too.:sleepy: so fiorentina have more buying power than us too. We are turning out to look like right fools infront of the whole world.
I also thought id say there is gonna be no Mr X this year either. i aint gonna fall for last years trick again. we are doomed if we dont strengthen this squad this year. fiorentina pipped us for 4th last season, and with there new squad they will finish way ahead if us at this rate.
Dont anybody tell me to stop being pessimistic, ive been a milan fan longer than some of your lives,and i havent seen anything like this. Again we need GK, 2 DF, 1 MD, 1 ST
Giancarlo
02-07-2008, 22:14
I'm not convinced by this guy. I see that there are better players out there. I think we should explore our Brazilian connections instead...
Or perhaps look at Udinese for Zapata...
I'm not convinced by this guy. I see that there are better players out there. I think we should explore our Brazilian connections instead...
Or perhaps look at Udinese for Zapata...
Gian, why do you say 'or' zapata, i was thinking more like '&' zapata, we have an ageing defence and need at least 2 defenders to put up a serious challenge, forget about zapata also, we may end up with luigi sala or someone of that type.
Brasileiro
04-07-2008, 00:37
Last year was Suazo...this year is Vargas...I donīt know, but for me, great performers at small or middle teams arenīt a no brainer purchase.
Last year 90% was mad because we canīt get Suazo...and now, after just one year, the hype disapear...I also remember people mad because we chose Pato(a unproven kid) over a Serie A proven player like Suazo.
Itīs just my opinion, but itīs easy to be great in a small team......but deliver in red&black is another history:smileani:
Bravo Brasileiro, finally some sense in the middle of this madness... thanks.
kastriot
04-07-2008, 03:52
I'm not convinced by this guy. I see that there are better players out there. I think we should explore our Brazilian connections instead...
Or perhaps look at Udinese for Zapata...
Gian,when u make a statement like "I'm not convinced by this guy", usually its fair to the guy anf the other posters that diffe from your opinion that u back up that argument, It doesnt have to be a scientific fact, however an educated guess/fact of why u are not conviced by the guy will be appriciated.
Giancarlo
04-07-2008, 04:01
Gian,when u make a statement like "I'm not convinced by this guy", usually its fair to the guy anf the other posters that diffe from your opinion that u back up that argument, It doesnt have to be a scientific fact, however an educated guess/fact of why u are not conviced by the guy will be appriciated.
I did make an educated guess based on what I've seen of him. That simple. That's my opinion. If you're expecting anything more than, forget it. I think there are better players out there. Vargas played for what? Catania? How is that top level?
Vargas is a very good player, not an excellent one or W-C yet. He will maybe become an excellent player in Fiorentina or with a still better club than Fiorentina then ...
Anyway, he has no chance actually to become a big star ... it could have happened if he was Brasilian, Italian, Spanish or some other country like that, but he's Peruvian and will never shine at the highest international level (World Cup). So he will be under-rated for all his life lol.
Just a question: we never were linked with him and he never expressed any desire to come to Milan ... so why do we write about him ? lol
kastriot
04-07-2008, 05:54
I did make an educated guess based on what I've seen of him. That simple. That's my opinion. If you're expecting anything more than, forget it. I think there are better players out there. Vargas played for what? Catania? How is that top level?
all I asked u was to give a reason why U think this player is no better than smb else, nothing more.
respect
based on your math:
Pato played only for Internacinale(only handfull of games) how is that top level.!!!???
Sheva played only for Dinamo Kieve,how is that top level
Toni and Pirlo played only for Brescia
Rinho played for salernitana!!!!
... and I can continue forever!!
by the way, Catania kicked our ass this year couple of time, and guess who was their best player????
Vargas was the player arguably with the most impact in Seria A this season.
Weather his good for Milan,thats a different issue...!?
Vargas is a very good player, not an excellent one or W-C yet. He will maybe become an excellent player in Fiorentina or with a still better club than Fiorentina then ...
Anyway, he has no chance actually to become a big star ... it could have happened if he was Brasilian, Italian, Spanish or some other country like that, but he's Peruvian and will never shine at the highest international level (World Cup). So he will be under-rated for all his life lol.
Just a question: we never were linked with him and he never expressed any desire to come to Milan ... so why do we write about him ? lol
what an amazing comment, so because galliani and co didnt show any interest we shouldnt either, what narrow mindidness, also we should not write about him, the fact remains true milan fans have feelings for the club, we would like to see milan at the top, this is why we discuss possible new arrivals or people who we would like here at milan.
Also GeoTav u have expressed many times that we will get 'a' striker, in my opinion its not a priority over our ageing defence and midfiled, anyhow mr X is the same as last year, non existent.
I think, what Brasileiro makes sense.
I only watched couple of his games and when I watched him, he played well. But if he is that good (?best fullback in Serie A?), why only Fiorentina did make interest in him? Where were Juve, Inter or even Milan or even other big clubs ? Juve may have good left fullback already but if Vargas is that good, Juve wont thow away the chance to sign Vargas especially in not a very high price, IMO.
Same with Inter, even Inter have many playes who can play as left fullback. If Vargas is that good, Inter should at least had Interest in him as he can play fullback or left winger (I suppose). I suppose (from the news about him), Vargas is better (if not much better) compare to Maxwell (the best Inter's left fullback regarding offensive ability).
Yeah, there was gossip about Madrid were interested in him but I do doubt this news. In Fio, if I am not mistaken, Vargas's salary in only under 1 mil euros per year. In Madrid he could earn twice even 3 times he gets in Fio.
I didnt watch him often, so I want to ask people who REALLY watched him VERY OFTEN how were his performances when Catania faced small clubs, smaller clubs (compare to Catania) and against clubs which always defends thightly against Catania.
Was Vargas good enough regarding defensive skills when his club (Catania) used normal tactic (which means not defensive tactic or tactic that help Vargas a lot when it comes to defend) or when Catania played offensive tactic?
Is Vargas that good regarnding his offensive skills when Catania faced defensive-minded clubs (clubs which useses very defensive tactic)?
Last thing that make me unsure with Vargas condition (especially after he signed with Fio) is his price. According to the praise that football websites gave to him (?best left fullback in Serie A? or even ?best fullback in Serie A?), he should be much higher than Fio paid IMO. But it seems Fio made it so easily to find agreement with Catania (long time before the market closes).
Giancarlo
04-07-2008, 13:06
all I asked u was to give a reason why U think this player is no better than smb else, nothing more.
respect
based on your math:
Pato played only for Internacinale(only handfull of games) how is that top level.!!!???
Sheva played only for Dinamo Kieve,how is that top level
Toni and Pirlo played only for Brescia
Rinho played for salernitana!!!!
... and I can continue forever!!
by the way, Catania kicked our ass this year couple of time, and guess who was their best player????
Vargas was the player arguably with the most impact in Seria A this season.
Weather his good for Milan,thats a different issue...!?
Many of these players have played for other top teams... and Internacionale is not a top level team? The same team that beat Barcelona I believe it was is not a top team?
Your misapplied logic simply doesn't make any sense.
I think Brasilero is correct here. Read what he posted. Vargas will be no different than Suazo... one great season, and then nothing the next.
Why was not Milan not even interested in him? Because there are better players out there than him.
And Catania only won against Milan in the Coppa when we played a third string team.
Edit: Before you ask, I did a little research... Inter in Brazil had a bad year this year... but for the two previous years they were in 2nd place.
^^^ Borriello had one great season yet you're willing to give him a chance. Why the different logic with Vargas ?
kastriot
04-07-2008, 14:44
^^^ Borriello had one great season yet you're willing to give him a chance. Why the different logic with Vargas ?
I rest my case
thank you Mystik
*GIAN
many times you advocated that borriello should be given a chance, and I`m with u on that,really.....but why Vargas should flop this year.
Or
Why Suzo can not regain his old form(not just one good year by the way), if we all believe that Dinho can recover!!
Giancarlo
04-07-2008, 14:47
^^^ Borriello had one great season yet you're willing to give him a chance. Why the different logic with Vargas ?
Two different players, two different cases.
what an amazing comment, so because galliani and co didnt show any interest we shouldnt either, what narrow mindidness, also we should not write about him, the fact remains true milan fans have feelings for the club, we would like to see milan at the top, this is why we discuss possible new arrivals or people who we would like here at milan.
Also GeoTav u have expressed many times that we will get 'a' striker, in my opinion its not a priority over our ageing defence and midfiled, anyhow mr X is the same as last year, non existent.
I just don't see the need to create a topic for a player who will not be a Milan player ... let's speak about him (again and again) on the Mercato Thread (Threat, argh can't remember the word).
Then, you can also write about your dreaming players on the dream team topic ^^
Anyway, I'm not a moderator so I'm going to shut up now lol !!
Oh, and did you suggest that I am not a true Milan fan ?
And to finish, I wrote about strikers simply because on these last days/weeks, it seems like we are after a striker/attacking midfielder. If we sign Zapata, Mexes or other defenders, I'll be happy too.
kastriot
04-07-2008, 15:10
Two different players, two different cases.
Giancarlo man, as much as I try to debate with you on this issue you are making my live harder....how can I argue a statement like that,when u dont state the reason why u think that way. Dont you think your being subjective when giving Borriello a chance and on the other hand you imply that Vargas will flop this year. Both of them have been impressive this year,especially Vargas
respect
kastriot :respect:
EDIT: As soon as I posted this I open Goal.com and I read
official: Vargas joins fiorentina
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=763679
Now I seriously hope your right Gian, cuz if he turns to be as good I expect we are in big trouble this year:D
I just don't see the need to create a topic for a player who will not be a Milan player ... let's speak about him (again and again) on the Mercato Thread (Threat, argh can't remember the word).
Then, you can also write about your dreaming players on the dream team topic ^^
Anyway, I'm not a moderator so I'm going to shut up now lol !!
Oh, and did you suggest that I am not a true Milan fan ?
And to finish, I wrote about strikers simply because on these last days/weeks, it seems like we are after a striker/attacking midfielder. If we sign Zapata, Mexes or other defenders, I'll be happy too.
well wether you in your own words 'shut up' or not, is entirely upto you, however at least you over your own 'dream' of a striker, we could always talk about them in the dream section also.:) ans since when did milan show any sincere interest in zapata?
Im not sure how most of you guys think, wether or not somebody 'turns' out a good player is impossible to know, you just have to see the potential and at times take a calculated gamble. it sometimes turms out good in the case of kaka, shevchenko etc, at other times it doesent, gillardinho etc. You can wait for somebody to become a superstar, but this will not guarnantee him playing well for his new club, sheva a great example when moved to london.
Even if vargas plays lame all season for the viola, they still done the right thing to buy him as they saw the quality and took a calculated risk, not much of a risk because he probably cost them peanuts.
and to end we are not getting any decent quality signings this year. Galliani and co are not upto it anymore.
So, Vargas is not good enough for us, but good enough for Fiorentina, who finished one spot ahead of us and will be playing CL football next year? Doesnt make sense to me. If he is a proven player in serie A and is highly rated by most teams, then why not give him a chance? We were not looking at a Dani Alves type signing here, Vargas would not have costed so much and we do need a proper left back.
well, seems like Fiorentina got a good deal... only 11M Euro and paying him about 1M per season... Brocchi makes twice as much
well wether you in your own words 'shut up' or not, is entirely upto you, however at least you over your own 'dream' of a striker, we could always talk about them in the dream section also.:) ans since when did milan show any sincere interest in zapata?
There were reports about a bid prepared for Zapata some weeks ago (just before Euro) ...
And you misunderstand me, if you really read all my posts, you'll see I would be happy if we get Villa or Aguero or Rossi and co but if we don't get any striker, that will be ok for me too (Pato = 20+ goals, Inzaghi = 10+ goals, Borriello = unpredictable, Paloschi = 5-10 goals if he has some chances) because that will mean we will have bought an attacking midfielder, what we need probably more than a striker right now because Seedorf and Kaka' can't play all matches and there is no backup on the bench for them ...
Gabriel489
05-07-2008, 10:10
So long Vargas, we will welcome you next year when Viola crash out of the CL in the Pre-Rounds and also miss out on CL next season.
Hopefully at that time, you will still cause abit less than 1mil
Giancarlo
05-07-2008, 12:13
Giancarlo man, as much as I try to debate with you on this issue you are making my live harder....how can I argue a statement like that,when u dont state the reason why u think that way. Dont you think your being subjective when giving Borriello a chance and on the other hand you imply that Vargas will flop this year. Both of them have been impressive this year,especially Vargas
There are better players than Vargas. These are two different players. I think there are better players than Vargas...
Now I seriously hope your right Gian, cuz if he turns to be as good I expect we are in big trouble this year:D
What kind of answer do you expect from me? Seriously? Fiorentina won't do as good as they did this previous season. I think they overdid themselves.
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