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Originally Posted by kris
Match fixing is only 100% foolproof if ALL the players in BOTH teams have agreed on it. The classic example is the league game between two serie A minnow some years ago. I think one team was Bari. the game was 1-1 in the second half and both teams just walked around not caring. But then a Brazilian striker in one team made a rush and scored. How was the reaction? Silenze. In fact none of the players in his team celebrated the goal, in fact all players just looked at him as he celebrated. Nothing could be proved though, but it was clear to everyone watching it.
The fact that Juve have not won the title every year is obviously not proof of their innocence, cheating like this can only take you that far.
After having read reports today I do for the first time have hope that Juve may be relegated due to this. That they are guilty I have no doubt at all at.
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Completely agree with you there kris. for match fixing to be 100% certain, everybody has to be involved: both sets of players, managers, etc....which is certainly not what has happened, or else we would have found out long ago. the approach i think juve are taking is to secure the 12th man on the field, i.e. the referee. once you do that, the balance of the game will always sway your way (from dubious calls, disallowed goals, dangerous freekicks, lots of extra time)....but it is also up to the players to capitalize on it. when they do, juve wins or draws games they ought to lose--which has happened so often, i cant even count. and on the occasions when it does not work out due to poor form or whatever else, then juve will lose games--which they do.
so whatever it is, the balance of every game in the season will be in juve's favour and with the quality they have, they capitalize on it more often than not and win titles. and if they are found to be guilty of doing this, then those cheating, low life zebras ought to be demoted straight to serie c, because with the quality they have got, there is no need to be doing this. it reeks of poor class and cowardice.