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Originally Posted by Jim_UK
Once again you're talking about a group of people but naming no names.
2005-2006 Betis 9 4
2004-2005 Betis 37 22
2003-2004 Valencia 21 8
2003 Santos 14 4
2002 Portuguesa 17 8
2001 Portuguesa 24 14
2000 Portuguesa 5 1
You keep saying he was a key player in Valencia winning the Uefa cup and the league title yet he only scored 8 goals for them and was let go after just one season. Why'd they do that then ? Why didn't they keep hold of him ? Again, alot of people keep saying he kept Betis up by himself so after such a good return for them in his first season why were they quite happy to let him go so quickly ? Now they got rid of Joaquin (who played just an equal part in his goal scoring season), wouldn't they want to keep hold of their best striker to try and avoid relegation ?
No one is proclaiming him to be a failure, they're just stating things as they see it. You see it as him being an excellent player, that's great, but not everyone will share your view.
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Well, I'm not sure why you want me to name names, especially considering I'm not talking about any one person in particular, but a large segment of pessimistic posters.
As for Oliveira's time at Valencia, I did not say he was the star of the team. I said he was a key player. He was. It was his first season in Europe and Valencia already had established players, including Miguel Mista, who was in the midst of what turned out to be a career year (19 goals). It took Oliveira some time to work his way into the lineup. He ended up starting 14 games, but more importantly they trusted him to start five matches at the end of their UEFA Cup run. Valencia then had a change of management and Oliveira left for Betis where he had his breakout season in Europe. He was off to a great start last season before his injury, so assuming he is healthy again, I don't see a whole lot there to be worried about.