2007/08 UEFA CL Draw

The draw for the group stage is tomorrow, August 30th and no one has created a thread about this?! ... How dare you call yourselves fans of the reigning European Champs?


Anyways, with the exception of the AEK-Sevilla game postponed for Monday, Sept. 3rd, all other CL qualifiers are scheduled for today, August 29th.
And yes, even without knowing the result from the AEK-Sevilla game, it would be possible to go ahead with the draw once the rest of the teams and their pot placement are known.

So far, the teams that have qualified, placed in their respective pots, are:

Pot1: Milan, Barca, Liverpool, Inter, Real M, Chelski, ManU

Pot2: Lyon, Porto, PSV, Roma

Other teams that have qualified already but have yet to know their pot placement are:
Schalke, Stuttgart, CSKA Moskva, Marseille, Olympiacos, Sporting, Glasgow Rangers, and Lazio


Links for the CL Draw (ceremony starts at 18.00pm CET or 12.00pm EST):
http://myp2p.eu/Matches/Match2.htm


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Originally Posted by zlatanov

The draw for the group stage is tomorrow, August 30th and no one has created a thread about this?! ... How dare you call yourselves fans of the reigning European Champs?


Anyways, with the exception of the AEK-Sevilla game postponed for Monday, Sept. 3rd, all other CL qualifiers are scheduled for today, August 29th.
And yes, even without knowing the result from the AEK-Sevilla game, it would be possible to go ahead with the draw once the rest of the teams and their pot placement are known.

So far, the teams that have qualified, placed in their respective pots, are:

Pot1: Milan, Barca, Liverpool, Inter, Real M, Chelski, ManU

Pot2: Lyon, Porto, PSV, Roma

Other teams that have qualified already but have yet to know their pot placement are:
Schalke, Stuttgart, CSKA Moskva, Marseille, Olympiacos, Sporting, Glasgow Rangers, and Lazio

This is my job
Now you ruined a perfect thread. My thread would have been all with colors, banners, club infos.



Kidding

We can also count Arsenal in pot1, although Zlat didn't want to play with fire so he didn't rush to put them there before they officially get to CL groups.
But since they won the first leg away to Sparta 2:0, then i'd say they are 99,99% in CL.

In pot2, apart from Lyon, Porto, PSV and Roma we can also, with 99,99% , add Valencia, who won the first leg 3:0 vs Elfsborg.
The others who can find themselves in pot2 are Sevilla, but of course they must eliminate AEK. They are very close to their goal after winning 2:0 in leg 1.
Two more spots are still open (even if we count Valencia and Sevilla as already qualified) and these teams, in this order are fighting for the next two spots :
Benfica
Ajax
Werder
Celtic
Schalke04
Stuttgart

In pot3 so far we have sure 4 teams : CSKA moscow, Sporting, Lazio and Marselle. No matter what happens, these 4 teams will be in pot3.
*ACTually, only Lazio and Marselle will be in pot3 no matter what happens. But we can say the same about CSKA and Sporting because in order these teams not to find themselves in pot3 all of Valencia,Sevilla,Benfica,Ajax,Werder and Celtic will have to be eliminated in the qualifications, which is impossible, imo

Zlat, how it is possible to make the draw without Sevilla-AEK ?

They will probably write "sevilla-aek" on a peace on paper

And then the winner will take that spot, hehe.

Originally Posted by mrki

They will probably write "sevilla-aek" on a peace on paper

And then the winner will take that spot, hehe.

Nope, it's impossible.
If Sevilla qualifies then they will be in pot2 and if AEK qualifies then they will be in pot3 or pot4

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Zlat, how it is possible to make the draw without Sevilla-AEK ?

well, what mrki said only we'll need 3 such balls with 2 teams in each, assuming that Sevilla would go to pot 2 and AEK pot 4, something that will be known for sure once all the other games are played, the winners are known, and then we can compare their coefficients with those of Sevilla and AEK.

Let's say Sevilla's coeff. is high enough for pot 2, which it is, and AEK's - for pot 4.
Now let's assume - just an example - that the team with highest coeff in pot 3 is Benfica. This means that Benfica would move to pot 2 if Sevilla goes out, with AEK joining pot 4.
At the same time, let's assume - again just an example - that Stuttgart is the team with the highest coeff in pot 4 i.e. they would move to pot 3 if Sevilla goes out and AEK moves to pot 4.

Then all we need to do is have 1 ball in pot 2 like this - Sevilla/Benfica, 1 ball in pot 3 - Benfica/Stuttgart, and one ball in pot 4 - Stuttgart/AEK

Capito?

P.S. If AEK's coeff is high enough for pot 3, then we'd need 2 balls, and not 3, with 2 teams in each one.

The serial spammer strikes again

Originally Posted by zlatanov

well, what mrki said only we'll need 3 such balls with 2 teams in each, assuming that Sevilla would go to pot 2 and AEK pot 4, something that will be known for sure once all the other games are played, the winners are known, and then we can compare their coefficients with those of Sevilla and AEK.

Let's say Sevilla's coeff. is high enough for pot 2, which it is, and AEK's - for pot 4.
Now let's assume - just an example - that the team with highest coeff in pot 3 is Benfica. This means that Benfica would move to pot 2 if Sevilla goes out, with AEK joining pot 4.
At the same time, let's assume - again just an example - that Stuttgart is the team with the highest coeff in pot 4 i.e. they would move to pot 3 if Sevilla goes out and AEK moves to pot 4.

Then all we need to do is have 1 ball in pot 2 like this - Sevilla/Benfica, 1 ball in pot 3 - Benfica/Stuttgart, and one ball in pot 4 - Stuttgart/AEK

Capito?

P.S. If AEK's coeff is high enough for pot 3, then we'd need 2 balls, and not 3, with 2 teams in each one.

Perfect, thanx

Although we have another problem here.
In groups A-D we can have only 2 Spanish teams while the other 2 will have to be in groups E-H.
Also one of AEK/Olympiacos will have to be in groups A-D while the other in groups E-H

Now we can have a situation when (if the ball says Sevilla/Ajax) Sevilla can not play in groups A-D while Ajax can not play in groups E-H and it will be impossible to make that draw.
I don't know if you follow me, but this is a big possibility and because of this the draw (which is usually 30%-50% orchestred) may easily be 99% orchestred.

They'll find a way, i'm sure. But it will be really confusing for those who aren't absolutely familiar with how these things go

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Perfect, thanx

Although we have another problem here.
In groups A-D we can have only 2 Spanish teams while the other 2 will have to be in groups E-H.
Also one of AEK/Olympiacos will have to be in groups A-D while the other in groups E-H

Now we can have a situation when (if the ball says Sevilla/Ajax) Sevilla can not play in groups A-D while Ajax can not play in groups E-H and it will be impossible to make that draw.
I don't know if you follow me, but this is a big possibility and because of this the draw (which is usually 30%-50% orchestred) may easily be 99% orchestred.

They'll find a way, i'm sure. But it will be really confusing for those who aren't absolutely familiar with how these things go

I see your point and you are right, it does make things a little trickier but for this to be taken care of, all the other teams will have to be known (except Sevilla/AEK) i.e. we'll have to wait for todays qualifiers to finish (or maybe UEFA already knows the results ) and only then a full solution can be found.

btw, what was the reason they put 2 teams from say Spain into groups A-D , while the other 2 into E-H ... TV coverage, I guess?

Originally Posted by zlatanov

btw, what was the reason they put 2 teams from say Spain into groups A-D , while the other 2 into E-H ... TV coverage, I guess?

Yes, two of them must play on Tuesday while the other two on Wednesday and it's because of TV coverage.
And it's not only with Spanish clubs but it's with all the other clubs from the same country.
If there are 2 teams from a certain country then one must play on Tue while the other on Wed
When there are 3 teams from one country then 2 are in the same day while the third one in the other day.

Edit: You'll probably notice that by yourself tomorrow with the English teams. All of them will be in pot1.
Now, lets say they take Liverpool first (they will go to group A automatically) , then they take Milan (group B) then Barcelona (groupC) and then they take Inter.....
Inter will logically have to be in group D but because it will leave 3 english teams to play in groups E-H (on the same day) then Inter will automatically be transferred to group E and group D leader will be the next English team drawn.

Think the logical thing would be to classify both Seville & AEK as second seeds as in such tragic circumstances exceptions should and I think will be made.

By popular demand, here it is again :

If Sevilla qualifies this is how the pots will look:

Pot1 : Milan, Barcelona, Liverpool, Inter, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Chelsea

Pot2: Valencia, Lyon, Sevilla, Porto, PSV, Roma, Benfika, Werder Bremen

Pot3: Celtic, Schalke04, Stuttgart, Steaua, CSKA Moscow, Sporting, Lazio, Marselle,

Pot4: Glasgow Rangers, Shakhtar Donieck, Besiktas, Olympiacos, Dynamo Kyiv, Fenerbahce, Slavia Prague, Rosenborg

If AEK qualifies :

Pot1 : Milan, Barcelona, Liverpool, Inter, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Chelsea

Pot2: Valencia, Lyon, Porto, PSV, Roma, Benfika, Werder Bremen, Celtic

Pot3: Schalke 04, Stuttgart, Steaua, CSKA Moscow, Sporting, Lazio, Marselle, Glasgow Rangers

Pot4: Shakhtar Donieck, Besiktas, Olympiacos, Dynamo Kyiv, Fenerbahce, AEK, Slavia Prague, Rosenborg


Note: Milan can not be in the same group with another team from pot1.
Milan will get one team from pot2, one from pot3 and one from pot4 in their group but they can not get another Italian team. So Lazio and Roma can not be in the same group with Milan

I believe Sevilla will qualify so the first option will be the real one. If that’s the case then this is how, imo, the toughest and the easiest group for Milan would look :

Milan
Valencia
Schalke/Stuttgart
Shakhtar Donieck

Milan
PSV/Benfica
Steaua
Rosenborg

I'm wishing for


AC Milan
Werder Bremen
Steaua
Rosenborg...

Unless Milan gets Valencia or Sevilla, you'll 100% win the first place in your group. Even if you get one of the 2 Spanish teams you'll still be favorites for the first place, but they may make your life harder.

You'll certainly qualify, no matter who you get, but since you're my rivals in serie A i'd like you to have a harder job in CL and i wish you get Valencia and one of the Germans from pot 3

Links for the CL Draw (ceremony starts at 18.00pm CET or 12.00pm EST):

http://myp2p.eu/Matches/Match2.htm