I'm being too pessimistic or not?

I must admit that I'm really a bit to much pessimistic sometimes, so feel free to disagree with me whenever you want. That said, let's past to subject in question:

Seeing other CL matches of yesterday and today, it came to me the impression that our main rivals (with the single exception of ZOMBIE Madrid) are looking more livelier than us, playing with a whole lot more brightness and enthusiasm. Even Juventus, that made a flop on the final minutes, seems to have played with more grit and gusto than us, not to mention, of course, Barcelona and Arsenal. I guess we played in a rather burocratic fashion, that is to say, we have a solid display, but also lukewarm and lazy.

Well, feel free to flame me if you disagree!

grenoli... i like you... ur a good guy,,, but like many new posters here, you do tend to be verrryy pessimistic... but i wouldnt worry about that because sooner or later you will realise that ur a pain and ull stop... we were all like that!

concerning the game, i think all 8 games are still undecided, and looking at the result we got, i think we got a very good result... in terms of determination, i think in the 2nd half we played very very good compared to the 1st, i was happy to see a concentrated defence, and i was more glad to see gattuso run for every ball again... im not worried so far... barca had to do what they did because theyde regret it alot if they didnt capitalise on del horno's red in stam. bridge! ... juve, i havent seen their match, but its never good to concede to late goals...

You see, we didn't play a bad game, that's not the point.. but I feel that we're kinda uninspired and lifeless, not managing to the give enthusiasm to the fans... well, I guess my poor english writing are not leting me to express what I really wanna say...

GRE-MO-LI, I don't disagree with you, bro. Not at all.

Did you see Barca's second goal today? That was just a good demonstration of proper spacing on the break, making yourself available for a pass, and keen awareness where teammates were going to be. Milan just don't have that singular mentality these days; no rhythm, no spacing, no useful running...It was like a bad version of "street-ball" vs. Bayern. Seriously I couldn't keep my eyes open watching the game on Tivo. I also found myself fast forwarding through the game.

Anyway, I'm just saying it as I see it, folks. Yes, I would like to see and discuss with you guys "Il Grande Milan", but Carlo has got to make some adjustments personnel-wise and tactical changes as well. Sorry for me coming out here and being pessimistic.

That's it, Goose: Milan are not playing in an entertaining and brighty fashion, on the contrary, our gameplay is nowadays tedious, sluggish, colorless and lackluster. Where's the effervescent rhythm , the beautiful interplay, the sparkling dynamics we are used to see and expect from our great side?

I guess our love for the team is not too different from love to another person... and you they say that those who love fear everything... those who are loved, fear nothing...

it is normal to feel the way you're feeling... up to a point, we all share that...

the thing is to be reallistic, without being negative...

I've had my moments myself... at some point, I mentioned I thought Bayern could beat us... that's when we were doing really poorly on defense... now there's room for improvement, but we're OK...

Elimination rounds like these in UCL are rarely decided by an entirely convincing superiority... it's a matter of litte details in crucial plays... how many times has an underdog win because of a lucky goal, even though the favorite controlled the entire game???

Plus, we will now play at home, unlike La Coruna, or Istambul... and we have an away goal...

so keep the faith...

101% disagree with you. Every game is unique in nature and it's difficult to compare and say, "Hey, look at the rest of the games and the rest play so much better". We slammed Juve 3-1 at home and much lively than them. Look at the table, who is on the top?

My point is, this is CL, and everything is just so unpredictable. I don't think it'll be fair to assess Milan based on this.

AND, btw, Bayern has not drawn (let alone loss) a single game at home thus far. If Chelsea has also achieved that prior vs. Barca and lost to Barca, t hen it maybe a worthy comparison. Yet still, CHelsea is from England and Bayern is from Germany. a 13-straight home win at Stamford is different from 13-straight home win at the German ground, although it speaks well how strong both teams are.

But the fact remains:
Milan's opponent is Bayern, not Chelsea, not Barca, not anyone else. There is no other team playing against Bayern in the CL 16th stage, except Milan.

Take some moment to think about both side of the coins before you post a really thoughtful comment. Drop your sterotype against the fact that Milan is not playing the football that you (and probably we) are wishing for.

Well, Jeff... I guess you are right in respect of the fact that each game and adversary are unique, that's is really beyond doubts... but that doesn't change the fact we are not playing the exhilarating football Milan used us to expect and love. Things are moving low, and our game is becoming increasingly ugly.

after read all posts i must agree with gre-no-li, goose and jeff...
for me, milan´s football sucks! in two words...boring and stressful because the last 10 min. of the game they defend with all players and abdicate of attacking...it´s suffocating!
i think with quality players ACM have, we should play a lot better than we are playing now..but ACM always played in this system; it´s the club´s culture and i am sorry with that because we could be more frightful that we´re right now.
i would love to see ACM play like Barcelona or Chelsea - with no fear...attacking football! with players ACM have we deserverd that. i want to see the ACM of the first 45 min from last CL final...that was truly football!!
but, on the other way, every time ACM plays, there isn´t only 3 points in discussion (in all competitions). there is the history of a huge club, the objectives and f course money! (how much better are the results, more money is gerated - merchandising, valuating of the players, etc). so that´s why they play like they play; they cannot risk to much in order of losing everything (but this system is not 100% safe - look at the result of CL final last year; and La Coruna a few years ago) ..ACM always played without taking any risks and we will continue to play like this, because the next coach (whatever who will be) will also play in this system. let´s hope it won´t be sleepy football
saying this, ACM result in German was very good (i didn´t expected) but we must thank the referee because if he hadn´t appointed to the penalty kick, i doubt ACM could score a goal. we only had 2 shot on goal! the goal it self and sheva´s kick...very poorly for a team like ACM
now let´s see in italy; with this draw it´s possible...


see ya

Originally Posted by Flamy

so that´s why they play like they play

Excellent post, Flamy, but I have to disagree with that observation of you that I quoted: if it's true that we've always played with caution and pragmatism, it's also true that in other times with managed to mix that secure game style with lots of creativity, bold attacking football and a great deal of fantasia, think about Van Basten's Milan between 1987 - 1990, or Savicevic's Milan between 1992 - 95.

Originally Posted by GRE-NO-LI

Well, Jeff... I guess you are right in respect of the fact that each game and adversary are unique, that's is really beyond doubts... but that doesn't change the fact we are not playing the exhilarating football Milan used us to expect and love. Things are moving low, and our game is becoming increasingly ugly.

Listen: I don't understand why you don't put such a post after we win 4-0, or 4-1 in the 3rd and 2nd last games we played. Or, I don't undersatnd why you don't put a 'praising' post after we win with such a big margin. Basically your criticism stopped. YOu gave your compliment, but you have nothing to praise for Milan. I watched both games and I think Milan gives me a very satisfying performance. Even the 1-0 game gives me a lot of confidence as we go into the Bayern game.

Then you post, with guile, at this moment when we draw 1-1 and didn't play extreme nice. Do YOU think that you are a pessimist? I think so, or simply you are waiting for chances to bash Milan, in whatever way you can. A 1-1 performance against one of the strongest team in the world, and you start saying that we are playing tedious football again. I'm very tired of your post, and many of us here feel tired and redundent to read your post as well. The reason I'm telling you this is because I want to appeal to you to take a look at the big picture. To be honest, Milan didn't play very exiciting football the year they won the champion leauge. We almost crashed out against Ajax and won only on away goal against Inter Milan. At that time, Milan waas in no way any more less tedious/boring/slow than now. I see the last 2 years as Milan really strong, one that play nice, exciting football which, unfortunately, the results don't fully reflect.

There is no problem in saying that Milan play lousy/tedious/slow football, but there IS a problem when you are speaking without concrete evidence and with much cynicism. The fact that Milan won 3 games in a role, scored 10 goals and conceded only 1, was not exhilarating enough for you. The fact that Milan has scored more than 60 goals in the league is not enough to satisfy you.

If your expectation is such that Milan won 4-0 every game, go back to football manager where you can buy your dream players. Or, support Roma.

Originally Posted by GRE-NO-LI

Excellent post, Flamy, but I have to disagree with that observation of you that I quoted: if it's true that we've always played with caution and pragmatism, it's also true that in other times with managed to mix that secure game style with lots of creativity, bold attacking football and a great deal of fantasia, think about Van Basten's Milan between 1987 - 1990, or Savicevic's Milan between 1992 - 95.

Simple reason. Football in 1987 - 1990 or 1992 - 1995 has changed. Football in 1987 - 1990, while good to remember, is in no way better standard than now. Having said, qualities of players have improved, not just Milan players but also other teams' players. THat's probably why you engage in transfer market every season, to make your team remain competitive enough. It's good to have fond memory of the old day, but football tomorrow is not football day. Like technology, football evolves with in high speed too. Just look at the players 10 years before and now. Just the physical size will immediately make a big impact.

Please, say something with concrete evidence. When the evidence is here such that Milan scored 10 goals with 1 conceded, and draw with a team that has not even drawn at home and that considered a great team in the world, I don't know what you expect. Be realistic.

It's just so interesting to me that if Sheva has scored the 1vs1, I bet none of you will be commenting how bad Milan is, that fans will be in exhilirating mood. that's another mistake, becuase probably Milan wouldn't deserve to win. But again, speak with evidence, thus with authority. Don't throw out something without evidence.

And finally, Bayern is very lively when they play against teams in the domestic league, and so did they against Milan in the first half. Where were these exhilarating/heartbreaking performance in the second half from them?

Milan isn't playing a football worth of it's name for a long time, that's the sad truth... I get happy with our victories, since I love Milan very much, but I will not hide from myself the fact that we're playing in a rather uninspired fashion. As you already pointed out, we didn't play an exciting and entertaining football even when we win our last CL, for God's sake!

But I pretende to finish here my participation on the present thread, a topic that I created with the sole purpose of discussing in a peaceful way the current state of affairs of our side; however, since you are becoming to be rude and unpolite, I prefer to stop here.

One final word: I WILL NEVER SUPPORT ROMA OR ANY OTHER SIDE BESIDES MILAN AND BOTAFOGO, 'CAUSE MY LOVE FOR THEM IS BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF A DOUBT, SO I WILL NOT ADMIT ANYONE PUTING THAT IN QUESTION!

Well, if today's Milan has a "better standard" than that we have in 1988 or 1994, I really don't have anything more to say...