Ronaldo-milan

it's either Galliani are salvaging his way to finalized Tevez or Eto'o deal without any fuss, and using this media hype to get Ronaldo as a giant smokescreen...
or all the rumours about Ronaldo coming to Milan is really true....

Time will tell who's gonna come in the end

ps : Eto'o's name are resurfacing again so you know, the speculation is, as Samuel's relationship with Rijkaard are not getting better, Barca are now trying to push hard for Trezeguet, and so that makes Eto'o are very much Milan bound (Carlo's special wish) with the situation.

Believe it or not.....it's a mere speculation. But a sweeter one than R9 imo

I wonder if Milan will give the no.9 shirt to Ronaldo if he comes...

originally posted by zafrul
I wonder if Milan will give the no.9 shirt to Ronaldo if he comes...

never crossed my mind that our management will do very low as that as Chelsea'd done to Gallas

some ronaldo's bashing here are quite logical and comprehensive but let us look at other side of the coin, he will cost about 1/3 of sheva's price which is a fair price considering he is not a phenomenon like he used to be in psv,barca and inter, however the fat and unfit ronnie still scored more goals last season than the so much supported bunches in this forum: torres,ibrahimovic,crespo,adriano.
milan lab can not bring back the phenomenon like he used to be, but he is still the world class striker.

in my opinion milan choose tevez as their first priority and ronaldo second. if we get ronaldo i think it is because we can not get tevez for some reasons.
whoever milan get, i definitely support him.

Originally Posted by ARIO

never crossed my mind that our management will do very low as that as Chelsea'd done to Gallas

why not i mean ... milan has one of the best tranining facilities in the world .... and look at what happened to crespo ... i mean at first i was like most of you guys hes fat oh no ...

but think of it if carlo can do the same with him that he did with crespo then ronaldo will be explosive he ll be like he was in his inter days ...

i seen a few videos of him and he isnt bad at all with the right management he will go far ... so sign him ...

Just dont give kaka ...

originally posted by Dr Milano
why not i mean ... milan has one of the best tranining facilities in the world .... and look at what happened to crespo ... i mean at first i was like most of you guys hes fat oh no ...

but think of it if carlo can do the same with him that he did with crespo then ronaldo will be explosive he ll be like he was in his inter days ...

i seen a few videos of him and he isnt bad at all with the right management he will go far ... so sign him ...

Just dont give kaka ...

pardon me, but i was referring to the possible jersey number giveaway....

Originally Posted by ARIO

pardon me, but i was referring to the possible jersey number giveaway....

number 9 is only ronaldos we need him ... after watching the game in serbia wow ... we need some class

Well.........

Originally Posted by goose

Ridiculous. The pro-Thunder Teeth comments are just plain funny and sad. Do some of you here do stand-up?

Ronaldinho has big teeth too. Would you reject him from Milan because of it?

Originally Posted by goose

First off, I mentioned his skills are in decline. Agree or disagree? None of you on the pro-Ronaldo side seem to want to address this one because you know the freaking truth. Just admit it. The Great GRE-NO-LI and I have you on this point.

Decline is an interesting concept. It could be said that Shevchenko's skills are in decline also. Were you happy to see him go because of it? A player can be "in decline" but still be one of the best in the world. After all, an injured and unfit Ronaldo scored more goals in 23 appearances last year than did the young and highly fit Fernando Torres, who most of you are always wanking over, in 35 games. So Ronaldo was still scoring at roughly the same pace last year as he had in the previous three seasons when he scored more than 20 goals each season. I'd say the jury is still out regarding Ronaldo's "decline," or at least the speed of it.

Originally Posted by goose

During his PSV, Barca, and Inter years before the first knee injury Ronaldo was a fearsome tank who posessed the rare combination of speed, footballing skill, and athleticism. He was able to trouble entire teams from every conceivable angle and tactic in the book. Nowadays, due to bad luck and the propensity to stuff massive amounts filth and garbage down his gullet, he's slower and reduced his effectiveness as a striker to just an out-and-out finisher. We already have two in this department well covered thank you very much, in #9 and #11. We are in the market for someone with a little more dimension in his game, not in belly girth or inscisor size.

If you've actually watched Ronaldo, then you should know that he still draws about three defenders every time the ball comes his way. There's a reason for that. And even if he is, as you claim, only a finisher, what's wrong with that? If he can score 20-25 goals and the guys we already have can only score 10-15, I'm not sure what the problem is. There's no law that says Milan can't buy Ronaldo AND another striker such as Tevez, Sobis, Suazo, etc., is there? And as for his alleged "belly girth," once again I will reiterate: there is no doubt in my mind that Ronaldo has a lower percentage of body fat right now than just about everybody commenting on these forums. So he maybe could lose three pounds. Whooptie doo. Two weeks in the Milan labs and he would be fine.

Originally Posted by goose

Ronaldo is 30 years old. With his talent and at this age, like Sheva he should be at the peak of his physical and mental powers or at least showing some continued augmentation in his game. Is Ronaldo progressing as a player? Do you forsee him raising the level of his game while wearing the rossoneri shirt? Do you see, after two major knee injuries, Ronaldo pushing to reinvent himself in a new way on the pitch? For a large percentage of the Sheva money, he better darn well be. I just don't see it folks. Help me out here. Stop feeding me this faith in management, faith in Milan Lab, faith, faith, faith business. Look at the situation head-on, honestly, objectively, and tell me. Do you want to spend a third to half of the Sheva sale on an obvious declining has-been talent?

Ronaldo is not 30. He's 29. He's exactly seven days older than Shevchenko. And why does Ronaldo have to be the Ronaldo of 2002 to be a valuable addition to the team? Ronaldo is still twice the player of many who have been mentioned and it's not like he's going to cost what a 25-year-old Ronaldo would cost in today's market. We're talking here about paying for Ronaldo basically the same price that Newcastle is giving to Inter for Martins. Ronaldo is still twice the player Martins is.

Originally Posted by goose

Second, let's mention his motivations, shall we? Rick, you said Thunder Teeth would be motivated by a "change in scenery". The city of Milano is hardly a change in scenery for dear Ronaldo. He played for Inter remember? Worse, if he were to return wearing our shirt, perhaps it's another opportunity for our friend to resume some bad habits off the pitch he picked up while playing for the other side. You ever consider that?

By "change of scenery" I'm not speaking so much of the geographic location or the city as the situation. He could just as easily get a "change of scenery" by going across town to Atletico Madrid. I'm speaking of being in a different situation with different relationships. Players who are unhappy at certain teams often have a better outlook when they join another. It's really a simple concept.

Originally Posted by goose

"Oh, but Kaka, Cafu, and the other Brazilians will push him in the right direction!" you might retort.

No, I might not. That's got nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by goose

Nope, Ronaldo had the pleasure of doing the cockroach with Roberto Carlos, Robinho, and Baptista. Did these guys push him to play his best and so on and so forth? Nope, as a matter of fact one major complaint from Real fans was the factionalism splitting up the team. Will that happen here should he sign on? That's something to think long and hard about.

What would happen with any player? There are no guarantees in life or in football.

Originally Posted by goose

Continuing on motivations, what is Ronaldo's motivation these days? He's won all major individual awards. He has two World Cups, some league titles. He's earned more money than God himself. What is Ronaldo's motivation these days? Most importantly, does he have the motivation and commitment to get his newly operated knee and his ever expanding gut growth into playing shape? Does he have the drive and ambition compared to other guys we're considering, Tevez, Torres, Sobis? Uh, no. Ronaldo has achieved it all already. He won't be as devastated as these other guys and us fans if we get knocked out of the CL or lose a chance to win the Scudetto. See, these guys, Tevez, Torres, Sobis, they're hungry. They have a lot to prove. They haven't experienced the sweet smell of success. At least we know on one level we're getting some commitment and motivation from Tevez, Torres, and Sobis. You really can't say that about Ronaldo.

Just because a player has won before doesn't mean they no longer want to win. Maybe Ronaldo wants to shut up his critics , like you and Gre-no-li. Maybe he wants to win the Champions League. Maybe he wants to win the Scudetto. How do you know what Ronaldo is thinking? Isn't it awfully presumptuous of you to think you know these things don't mean much to him? How could you possibly know? Are you a psychic? All you're doing is guessing and trying to fit it to your argument. And when was a law passed that says Milan can't buy Ronaldo AND either Tevez, Torres or Sobis? (And, by the way, Tevez has won several championships at the club level, both in Brazil and Argentina, as well as the Copa Libertadores, the Copa Sudamericana, the Intercontinental Cup world championship and an Olympic gold medal. So what is his motivation, right?)

Originally Posted by goose

Ok, so I'm being harsh on the guy. I just have very strong feelings on this issue and I just can't find it in me to apologize for this. He just doesn't belong here. Period, end of story. And if he were to sign on I wouldn't welcome it at all. And I don't know why the Milan management is seriously considering him and worse at the price rumored. It's all just plain ridiculous. And I'm hoping and praying, for the love of mother and child, this is all just a smokescreen.

It's one thing to have the opinion that Milan should go in another direction. It's something entirely different to be making childish comments about his teeth or acting like he weighs 400 pounds. If you don't think he belongs at Milan, fine. But it's not your decision. That's up to the guys who have made Milan the most successful club in the world over the past couple of decades. If they want Ronaldo, there must be a reason and that's good enough for me. As I've said all along, I'm neutral about the question of bringing Ronaldo to Milan. I'm only defending him against childishness, false accusations and a downright lack of anything resembling logic in the arguments against him. But if it comes down to a choice between trusting Berlusconi, Galliani, etc., or trusting some guy on a message board who can't express himself without acting like a 12-year-old and engaging in an endless stream of silly and vicious namecalling, I'll take the guys who have built championships for Milan every time.

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

And about the 15m + Kaka for Beckham, Ronaldo? Are u guys seriously thinking it might be true? LOL!!!!!!!!!! Milan would never ever sell Kaka not even for 100m, let alone DAVID BECKHAM that airhead. Comon guys, dont believe everything.

Hmmm... I'm do not share your confidence in our management. They can do this stupidity for sure.

Originally Posted by Bosniaco

Gattuso and Seedorf are expecting Ronaldo to come to Milan.... This is sad...

When Gattuso realises that he is going to run for him and Ronaldo he'll regret his signing.

I have no problem with Ronaldo coming. I mean he does carry a little bit of weight but that can be fixed.

The only thing I have reservations about is that he is injury prone.

Originally Posted by Nirvana FC

Hmmm... I'm do not share your confidence in our management. They can do this stupidity for sure.

just a quick question:
This supposed proposal for a deal - Kaka+money for Ronie+Beckham - where is the source for that?
Yesterday I was mostly focused on the game, so I didn't pay much attention to peoples fears of us getting Ronie, but I think someone just dropped it like a joke and other people took it seriously and turned it into yet another reason to startpointless arguments.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

just a quick question:
This supposed proposal for a deal - Kaka+money for Ronie+Beckham - where is the source for that?
Yesterday I was mostly focused on the game, so I didn't pay much attention to peoples fears of us getting Ronie, but I think someone just dropped it like a joke and other people took it seriously and turned it into yet another reason to startpointless arguments.

I think Nirvana was joking.

Originally Posted by Rick

As I pointed out much earlier in this thread, Ronaldo has scored 97 goals in 118 games for Real Madrid. His goalscoring record over the past four seasons is among the best in the world (far better, actually, than Shevchenko's). Even last year, when he was injured and out of shape, he still managed to score 14 goals in just 23 appearances. That's more goals in 23 games than the great Ferdando Torres -- who seems to have half the posters on this board pleasing themselves over him -- scored in 35 games. Yet somehow Ronaldo's career is proclaimed to be over and Torres is the second coming of van Basten.

He only score in meaningless games, Rick. In real competition, last season, I can only remember a goal he score against Barcelona.

Originally Posted by ARIO

ps : Eto'o's name are resurfacing again so you know, the speculation is, as Samuel's relationship with Rijkaard are not getting better, Barca are now trying to push hard for Trezeguet, and so that makes Eto'o are very much Milan bound (Carlo's special wish) with the situation.

Believe it or not.....it's a mere speculation. But a sweeter one than R9 imo

I haven't seen rumours of this but this is something I would love, my special wish as well. Time is running out so I guess we'll find out soon enough.