Winter Mercato 2011

Originally Posted by Elmago99

I like Coentrao the best for LB, but Wayne Bridge also not a bad option.

Seems Man City want Jerome Boateng and Kolarov as their left backs.

Modric not available. Perhaps Kranjcar but he's not Milan material. He's simply not an upgrade.

Roque Santa Cruz on same level as Matri, IMO.

so What does really means Milan material? did Janku, khaldze, oliveira and so many others were Milan material? Sir Alex once wanted to sign Kranjcar, he can be really useful in quality side.............

Milan materials used to mean over 30 players with high wages but zero to low transfer fees and used to be on a winning team before or got an agent who got players that Milan wanted. Then it became players who are under 22 with low transfer fees. Recently, Milan materials mean either getting a player through another through loan and then purchase.

Personally, I have a strong feeling Hernanes will come to Milan at the end of the season in Lazio and hopefully, guys like Ganso and Jucelei will follow.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Milan materials used to mean over 30 players with high wages but zero to low transfer fees and used to be on a winning team before or got an agent who got players that Milan wanted. Then it became players who are under 22 with low transfer fees. Recently, Milan materials mean either getting a player through another through loan and then purchase.

Personally, I have a strong feeling Hernanes will come to Milan at the end of the season in Lazio and hopefully, guys like Ganso and Jucelei will follow.

ha ha.. absolutely agree with you man!!! but if somehow we could sign Pastore, that would be awesome................

Man people on this website are not Native English speakers, and I commend everyone for speaking such good English being from all over the world (China, Croatia, Bosnia, France, Kuwait, etc)....

However, I find many things I say often gets lost in translation...

Milan have a very solid Midfield in that they have 4-5 midfielders who can play at a high level. However, we have issues in that they are getting older (particularly Ambrosini, Gattuso, Pirlo, and Seedorf)....

Now, we must replace these guys with younger guys who IN THEIR PRIME can match Pirlo and Seedorf's PRIME which is quite a high level.

I do not think that Niko Kranjcar ( who is a very solid midfielder, creative too) is capable of being a number 10 on Milan and taking them to SERIE A title and Champions League in the next generation.

Now, can Ganso do it? can Hernanes? I'm not sure. I don't know all of the solutions and answers, but I get the feeling that if Kranjcar can't cut into the Tottenham lineup enough, then it's not what we need at Milan.

I want a DOMINATING number 10 to play behind Pato and Ibrahimovic. A guy who can create, and also help out of strong midfield consisting of Boateng, Flamini, and maybe even Jucilei in the future.

This is what is meant by Milan Material. The next Kaka, Seedorf, Pirlo type of Midfielder. A dominating presence...Kranjcar, while useful, will most likely NOT be that guy.

Agreed?

Originally Posted by Elmago99

Man people on this website are not Native English speakers, and I commend everyone for speaking such good English being from all over the world (China, Croatia, Bosnia, France, Kuwait, etc)....

However, I find many things I say often gets lost in translation...

Milan have a very solid Midfield in that they have 4-5 midfielders who can play at a high level. However, we have issues in that they are getting older (particularly Ambrosini, Gattuso, Pirlo, and Seedorf)....

Now, we must replace these guys with younger guys who IN THEIR PRIME can match Pirlo and Seedorf's PRIME which is quite a high level.

I do not think that Niko Kranjcar ( who is a very solid midfielder, creative too) is capable of being a number 10 on Milan and taking them to SERIE A title and Champions League in the next generation.

Now, can Ganso do it? can Hernanes? I'm not sure. I don't know all of the solutions and answers, but I get the feeling that if Kranjcar can't cut into the Tottenham lineup enough, then it's not what we need at Milan.

I want a DOMINATING number 10 to play behind Pato and Ibrahimovic. A guy who can create, and also help out of strong midfield consisting of Boateng, Flamini, and maybe even Jucilei in the future.

This is what is meant by Milan Material. The next Kaka, Seedorf, Pirlo type of Midfielder. A dominating presence...Kranjcar, while useful, will most likely NOT be that guy.

Agreed?

Actually Kranjcar is not a bad idea at all, he cost tottnham around 2 mil...so a price around 5 mil should do the job. He is actually in a great form. The only reason why is not playing in the first eleven is BALE,VDW,Modric (top 2 midfield in the world).At this moment every player in our roster would be second to Bale,VDW,Modric so him not playing is not necessarily a bad indication.

We need a player of his quality, and him as a squad player for 5 mil is a bargain.

Originally Posted by kastriot

Actually Kranjcar is not a bad idea at all, he cost tottnham around 2 mil...so a price around 5 mil should do the job. He is actually in a great form. The only reason why is not playing in the first eleven is BALE,VDW,Modric (top 2 midfield in the world).At this moment every player in our roster would be second to Bale,VDW,Modric so him not playing is not necessarily a bad indication.

We need a player of his quality, and him as a squad player for 5 mil is a bargain.

thats the point................

@Elmago99

look when we talk about current Milan, the club aint willing to spend big, and you cant get Ibra like deal every time..... so you need player who can do the job but don't cost much....

If we could splash out the market and get Fabregas...I'd say forget Jucilei/Ganso and whoever, if Fabregas gets our #5 spot, we are set, FOREVER (ok maybe for 5 years). That guy is truly the best in the world in the spot and no one can make as many defence-splitting passes per game like he can. Defensively he's super solid, offensively he is unbelievable. Fabregas - from all those expensive players out there in the world - is really worth 40m. He could be the heart beat of the new Milan, he could be the soul of it.

I wish Milan fans can start talking alot about Fabregas because I've noticed that Milan tends to get linked to players that the fans talk about on the Internet quite alot. Maybe the more we mention Fabregas, we will start to get linked to him, and then the press will ask questions to the management about him and it can give them ideas to get him... I don't know.... but it's worth a shot.

Fabregas is the one player besides Messi who can totally change your team. If he goes to Barca I have no idea where he'd play in their lineup. Iniesta is going to be there for years, Xavi is still in his prime and has at least 2-3 more seasons. I doubt Fabregas will be given Busquets position for two reasons - 1) they just got Mascherano for quite a sum (and he's not being played that much) 2) they will not have any defensive midfielders and their team will get destroyed defensively.

Barbara Berlusconi is rumored to want to give us a gift -- yes, we do need a new FB, a new AM, a new defender to take over from Nesta...I really do wish that we can somehow find some room for Cesc (who can make us forget Pirlo and Seedorf very quickly).

Cesc Fabregas.

I've been wanting Fabregas for years, but he said himself that he only wants Barca and Barca really wants him as well.

This is an impossible transfer imho.

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

If we could splash out the market and get Fabregas...I'd say forget Jucilei/Ganso and whoever, if Fabregas gets our #5 spot, we are set, FOREVER (ok maybe for 5 years). That guy is truly the best in the world in the spot and no one can make as many defence-splitting passes per game like he can. Defensively he's super solid, offensively he is unbelievable. Fabregas - from all those expensive players out there in the world - is really worth 40m. He could be the heart beat of the new Milan, he could be the soul of it.

I wish Milan fans can start talking alot about Fabregas because I've noticed that Milan tends to get linked to players that the fans talk about on the Internet quite alot. Maybe the more we mention Fabregas, we will start to get linked to him, and then the press will ask questions to the management about him and it can give them ideas to get him... I don't know.... but it's worth a shot.

Fabregas is the one player besides Messi who can totally change your team. If he goes to Barca I have no idea where he'd play in their lineup. Iniesta is going to be there for years, Xavi is still in his prime and has at least 2-3 more seasons. I doubt Fabregas will be given Busquets position for two reasons - 1) they just got Mascherano for quite a sum (and he's not being played that much) 2) they will not have any defensive midfielders and their team will get destroyed defensively.

Barbara Berlusconi is rumored to want to give us a gift -- yes, we do need a new FB, a new AM, a new defender to take over from Nesta...I really do wish that we can somehow find some room for Cesc (who can make us forget Pirlo and Seedorf very quickly).

Cesc Fabregas.

impossible..... he said if he leaves Arsenal, he'll join Barca, but dont worry 10 years later, he may play for us

Originally Posted by zakakhan

impossible..... he said if he leaves Arsenal, he'll join Barca, but dont worry 10 years later, he may play for us

It wouldn't be the first time that what says a player is BS ...

Look at Dzeko: he said many times over the last few years that he wanted to join Milan and only Milan. And few days ago, what could we read ? Dzeko saying he is a fan of Milan but never said he wanted to join us.

I took this example because it's the most recent one, so please, if there is any Dzeko fan on the forum, don't bash me ...

We can find hundreds of examples like that !!

And anyway, didn't Fabregas say once that his favourite club in Italy was Milan ?
I don't remember if it was him or another player, but I remember someone in Arsenal saying that ...

Originally Posted by kastriot

Actually Kranjcar is not a bad idea at all, he cost tottnham around 2 mil...so a price around 5 mil should do the job. He is actually in a great form. The only reason why is not playing in the first eleven is BALE,VDW,Modric (top 2 midfield in the world).At this moment every player in our roster would be second to Bale,VDW,Modric so him not playing is not necessarily a bad indication.

We need a player of his quality, and him as a squad player for 5 mil is a bargain.

If Kranjcar can not be starter in Tottenham, I don't know how he could help Milan. Don't kid ourselves, Tottenham is not better than Milan. Modric is away too overrated IMO. He would be already in much bigger club than Tottenham if the hype overhim 90% is true.
Saying the midfield of Tottenham is top 2 midfield in the world is too exaggerating. Our top 100 midfield in the world will kick that the world second best midfield.

If we want to find our number 10, I agree with other, we should buy the true Milan material. I know Kranjcar is very good but it is on football PC game.
If only player with unreliable quality like Kranjcar, I will be satisfied by having Seedorf.

Originally Posted by Siregar

If we want to find our number 10.

Hamsik top priority, even before Nesta replacement, if not hamsik i would go for Pastore if not buy Ganso

Modric is a very good player and he is never overrated, but you can't buy a player from a club who doesn't need money you can only pray he assaults redknapp so he can get transfer listed

Originally Posted by Siregar

If Kranjcar can not be starter in Tottenham, I don't know how he could help Milan. Don't kid ourselves, Tottenham is not better than Milan

I am not implying that Tottnham is a better than Milan. I am saying that Tottnhams midfield is better.

Originally Posted by Siregar

. Modric is away too overrated IMO. He would be already in much bigger club than Tottenham if the hype overhim 90% is true.

If anything he is underrated. He proved himself as a youngster in Dinamo Zagreb, he was the most important player for Croatia in their successful Europe 2008 campaign.He was Tottanhams most important player last season when they secured CL spot after eternity of waiting.
And if he is still in Tottnahm its because his asking price which is well over 30 mil. Barca and Manchester have shown interest.

Originally Posted by Siregar

Saying the midfield of Tottenham is top 2 midfield in the world is too exaggerating.

My mistake I meant to write top 3 midfield. At this moment I don`t see a better outfit than Modric,Bale,VDW bar Barca and Real. (arsenal and Inter can testify )...we have actually members here how would kill to have this trio in Milan.

Originally Posted by Siregar

If we want to find our number 10, I agree with other, we should buy the true Milan material. I know Kranjcar is very good but it is on football PC game.
If only player with unreliable quality like Kranjcar, I will be satisfied by having Seedorf.

I agree on the last part. Krajncar is not a class of players Milan should consider. But at the given price he is a very valuable asset. Believe me I have followed him since he was 16 years old. He is talented, and he can be helpful in the lond season ahead of us, especially if Dinho leaves in January.

I remember Kranjcar was a very talented player 2-3 years ago or so right around the time of EUro 2008. He was playing under his father as coach.

However, since then, I do not think he has improved much. Also, Modric was AMAZING at Euro 2008, and then he has not been the same IMO. Still a very good player, but in that tournament he reminded me of a pirlo that RUNS...

As for Hamsik, yes, he would be great!!! but I don't think he's available. He also seems to choke in big games from what I've seen. Anyone agree?

I'm going to make a poll .. but I want to hear who members want:

1. Ganso (Santos)
2. Keisuke Honda (CSKA Moskva)
3. Javier Pastore (Palermo)
4. Marek Hamsik (Napoli)
5. Luka Modric (Tottenham)
6. Niko Kranjcar (Tottenham)
7. Antonio Cassano (Sampdoria)
8. Rafael Van der Vaart (Tottenham)
9. Kaka (Real Madrid)
10. Diego (Wolfsburg)
11. Hernanes (Lazio)

* Sorry guys, Fabregas ain't happening. He wants Barca and Barca wants him. He will go soon enough and they'll play this formation

Iniesta----------Krkic-----------Messi
-------Fabregas-------Xavi------------
-------------Mascherano--------------

Originally Posted by Elmago99

Iniesta----------Krkic/VILLA-----------Messi
-------Fabregas-------Xavi------------
-------------Mascherano--------------

This looks scary :S