Summer mercato 2009

Agreed. Adriano would be hopeless. Would have been funny if we swapped Emerson for Adriano before both tore up their contracts..

Originally Posted by maslok

Writting "right back" I mean a man who play on the right hand side in the foru man defensive line. Napoli plays 352 for a long time, so there is no right back which I'm writting about. Santacroce - Cannavaro - Contini. There is a three man defensive line and there is no right back who is responsible for attacking by right or left wing.

I'm sure U know what I mean.

Very good point actually, many times he is on the right side of a 3 man defence. However, I'm sure I've seen him play RB on quite a few occasions, including against us in the recent match where he was brilliant (though in that match he was generally marking Pato, so moved a lot until the second half where he stayed more centrally). Either way, as I said, I want him for CB if we get him, simply because that's his most natural role and he should play consistently there.

There's also a lot of talk of Thiago in RB (something mrki originally brought up). This is another possibility. The guy started his career as a right winger, then was a fullback before being moved centrally. Though I'm not sure what he's like at fullback, it's worth keeping this in mind.

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Regarding wage debate: I don´t agree with this "Dida must cut his wage" debate. This is not American Football or NBA with a cap room(so, if you aren´t performing or aging it´s natural thing to be cut or agree with a pay cut).

In our football isn´t natural to have wages cuts in big clubs...and in my opinion(you can all disagree), thats send a wrong message to free agents and possible purchases. Remember, when Dida earned this wage he was still one of the best in the business. Sure, one can say he receives a new agreement when he started to decline his form, but Dida didn´t put a gun on Galliani/Berlusca head to receive this contract.

Maybe our board thought at that time, that if Dida could stay health(like right now), he could be the same of the past, who knows??? But one thing is for sure, the guy never complained when Carlo send him to the bench, and from reports that I know is one of the most professionals players at Milanello. So, Dida isn´t a Adriano...

Pirlo in the last 2 seasons was far from the player we know(the injure was also a factor), and if we had competition in his position, or if he was a foreign(strong words ) he would had be benched. And I really doubt people would be claiming for a pay cut..

In all honesty, the football world seriously needs to reevaluate it's salary system, because it's very poorly structured. In Dida's case, I think considering his performances in the last few years and his current role at the club, he's not worth the salary he earns. Whilst I'm not for a forced salary cut, it would make sense for him to accept a pay cut like Gattuso publicly said he would if needed, especially with the current financial situation (maybe he would accept a pay cut, we don't know). That's why I'm not against selling him outright, because he doesn't have much time left at Milan anyway during which time it's unlikely he'll stay a starter, and really it's in the best interest of Milan to sell him off now.

When Dida's contract was renewed and he got this salary, I don't think he was one of the best in the business. It was a huge mistake by the management to give him this contract imo, and ultimately, it's these kinds of mistakes that we are paying for now.

As for Dida's professionalism, this I don't doubt for a second. He's never complained, accepted the bench and has been available when asked. On top of this, he's shown he's working hard in his performances. As a professional, I can't blame him for taking what he's getting, I bet everyone in here would do the same if offered the same.

One last note about him, I think many lost a lot of respect for him after the antics at Celtic. Whilst not correct, personally, I think he was made a bad guy when it should have been a much bigger security issue.

Originally Posted by Maltese Charlie

(calciomercato.com)

Milan 66 mln in meno senza Champions

18:10 del 24 aprile

L'assemblea dei soci del Milan ha approvato il bilancio 2008 chiuso con un fatturato di 237,9 milioni di euro e una perdita di 66,8 milioni di euro causata prevalentemente dalla mancata partecipazione all'ultima edizione della Champions League. L'amministratore delegato e vice presidente vicario, Adriano Galliani, ha spiegato che "mantenere un organico da Champions League senza farla ha fatto lievitare le perdite" e ha aggiunto che "questa proprietà non ha intenzione di avere perdite di decine di milioni di euro all'anno" come avvenuto nelle ultime due stagioni.

Thanks, I think that's it, but it appears to say something VERY different to what was originally posted.

the Sun reported Kaka' has "agreed" terms with United... I dont care about that, Kaka' will stay.

But Galliani spoke how we are in negative balance and we have no money for mercato...surprised? How Berlusconi sacrifices himself, bla,bla... And how its osvaldo's ( fiorentina ) fault we didnt play CL and lost money. He joked of course, but he should be serious and look at the tape from Napoli-Milan and see why Milan played like it played, which lineup was choosen and whoose fault it was we went with 3 md's and COMPLETELY wrong lineup for a game we needed 3 points from to play CL. Its better they just shut the **** up then to talk nonsence all the time. its disgusting.

ACMILAN1983, in three man defensive Santacroce playing right - centre back has more freedom than centre back in four man defensive line. He can move forward in area, because he's supported by centre - centre (heheh ;D) back. But it's hard to say that he plays frequently as a right defender. :)

Excuses, excuses, excuses. At the end of the day, Galli is still the big mouth and the fall guy and Berlu is the hero, why am I not surprise.

Back to this summer.

Like a lot of you, I believe Carlo is as good as gone unless we finish first this year. He is really not learning English for nothing unless it is his plan to teach Sheva's kids English in order for Sheva to stay.

Sheva is also as good as gone, as I really don't think he will stay in Milan as even Berlu knows that. With the recent events with Dida(wage issue) and Emerson, I hope Galli will think twice before signing someone who ain't playing well in other teams and offering big deals to players over 33+.

Senderous will also be gone as 8Mil for him is just crazy and he is really not worth the money and trouble.

Kalac, Favalli and Cap will leave due to retirement, while I strongly believe that Seedorf(since Carlo is gone), Kaladze and even Pirlo will leave Milan in the summer.

Reasons for that is mainly b/c Janku will switch to play Midfield next year, and with Yoan coming back and Dinho staying, there is really no room for Pirlo. As the new coach will most probably play Kaka, Dinho and Pato up front with Gattuso, Flamini and Janku behind them.

For signings, I think most if not all new signings will be in the defense department, 1GK and 2 CBs. Hopefully the CBs will be two of Santacroce, Zapata, Agger, Felipe, Canini or Vidic. Most likely will be Lucio and Agger.
As for the FB role, I think with Oddo coming back, Zambro will move to the left and have Antonini and Mattioni as subs.

I really hope Berlu will dig into his own pockets and bring Benezma but I doubt that will happen.

Excuse me, I don't belive in Pirlo leaving. What I want to say is that I don't want Pirlo to leave. He's very useful player and since back after the injury he plays well. Some of you are writting about "slowduo" - Seedorf and Pirlo. Andrea is absolutely key player and he can play modern football. That's my opinion.

Benzema? Do we really need him? The same what with Keirrison. Even if we would pay 30 / 40 mln €. Paying big amounts of money for players we don't need is crazy idea. :)

We are 67 million euros in red, mostly because of the absence in CL. I read today on calciomercato that Berlusconi will cover that 67 million from he's own pocket. The board of shareholders also approved a budget for the summer mercato (but the number was not disclosed) and they also gave more power to Galliani.

Look even Galliani is not that dumb. He knows that if we don't bring in some quality players the results will continue to be bad and that means that the red numbers are going to grow. Everybody knows that. I think Galliani is playing it smart. He is trying to make everyone believe that we are not going to make big moves in summer mercato, but in reality he is calmly building a strategy to bring our targets to the club.

Originally Posted by mrki

Someone mentioned a switch Seedorf-Trez...noone is that stupid in Juve. Trez is worth at least 15mln rght now, while Seedorf obviousely cant play serious top football anymore.

I did but it was more a joke than a serious sentence ... ^^

Originally Posted by mrki

And it will also be interesting to see who will buy Benzema in the end. As Im convinced this man is a top class striker who can play at any club in the first 11. We will not pay such money for him, that is for sure.

If he didn't lie, he won't ask to leave this summer and Lyon won't sell him this summer.
The main problem that Lyon will have this summer is to ask themselves:
- if they don't qualify to CL as they are now 3rd (it qualifies the French team for the preliminary round of CL) but if Lille and Toulouse win their games tonight/tomorrow (don't know), these teams will be back 1 or 2 point behind Lyon and the schedule of Lyon could lead them to the 5th place), will they sell their best players ? Their president said no and that even without qualifying, they will invest big money (which is around 30-40M in France)
- is the very bad form of Benzema since the start of 2009 going to extend to the next season ? Or will he come back to his level ? Because he only scored 12 goals in Ligue 1 this season whereas he was introduced like the next big thing of 2008-2009 after his very good last season ... he isn't worth 10M nowadays and I'm serious.

Originally Posted by gregapenny

We are 67 million euros in red, mostly because of the absence in CL. I read today on calciomercato that Berlusconi will cover that 67 million from he's own pocket. The board of shareholders also approved a budget for the summer mercato (but the number was not disclosed) and they also gave more power to Galliani.

Look even Galliani is not that dumb. He knows that if we don't bring in some quality players the results will continue to be bad and that means that the red numbers are going to grow. Everybody knows that. I think Galliani is playing it smart. He is trying to make everyone believe that we are not going to make big moves in summer mercato, but in reality he is calmly building a strategy to bring our targets to the club.

They said they will wait the end of the season to start to "move" ... but we know that most of our agreements are often prepared before the start of the mercato and while the season is still on ... so I think that Galliani and co are going to start their work nowadays, now that this budget is voted. But we won't know anything before June/July of course ...

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Like a lot of you, I believe Carlo is as good as gone unless we finish first this year. He is really not learning English for nothing unless it is his plan to teach Sheva's kids English in order for Sheva to stay.

Actually, a club like Milan and a coach in Milan have to speak English, it's a must ... I was quite surprised when I read that report about Ancelotti learning English (I asked myself "What ?! Only now ?!). So that doesn't mean he will go coaching in England at all.

The fact that he doesn't speak English (and most of our players seem not to speak English too) can explain the difficulties for some new players coming to Milan without speaking Italian, I think about Beckham even if he seems integrated, Gourcuff, and any other player coming from Spain, England or France for example. English can help to explain things to new players (imagine when Gourcuff arrived: he didn't speak one word of Italian, how to understand quickly what he has to do ? lol ... it's maybe why he only got few minutes on the pitch, Ancelotti needed 85 minutes to explain him his role).

Change of topic, Milan wants to exchange Darmian for Astori who plays for Cagliari and is in the coownership with us. I have seeing the debut of this guy against Inter and he did play well, a Bonera type of player but could develope to be a good CB. I'm all for this exchange. I guess Darmian would go on loan to Cagliari.

You're right, GeoTav.

I've just remember that Maldini can speak English and he was linked with Chelsea long ago , when Gianluca Vialli was the coach.

Originally Posted by Bosniaco

Change of topic, Milan wants to exchange Darmian for Astori who plays for Cagliari and is in the coownership with us. I have seeing the debut of this guy against Inter and he did play well, a Bonera type of player but could develope to be a good CB. I'm all for this exchange. I guess Darmian would go on loan to Cagliari.

The most logical move would be to give Darmian not to pay the Cagliari part of Astori, or at best, co-owning Darmian (but Cagliari don't pay for that part + they get Darmian) to take Astori without paying ...

Anyway, I understand that like we don't want to pay !!

PS: What's the source please ??

Well, the reason why I am for selling Pirlo is due to Dinho staying in Milan. As both of them even though they are different types of players but how their functions on the pitch is about the same with Dinho having more flair and also being a difference maker.

As for Carlo, I really think he should leave and I think he will only stay on if there is really no better replacements, but if the season started like how we did, he is gone after two games.

To me, Carlo, Seedorf, Kaladze and Dida are must leave if not Milan will never be the team that dominate again.

Ancelotti: Kjaer is a great player, and I like him. We are also following Astori from Cagliari (rough translation).

"Penso a Kjaer del Palermo e ad Astori ora a Cagliari. Kjaer è un difensore molto giovane, che ha dimostrato grandi qualità. Mi piace molto. Seguiamo molto anche Astori: è un giocatore nostro che non ha fatto tante partite quest'anno, ma che ha evidenziato chiari miglioramenti. Per la prossima stagione, comunque, penso che il reintegro completo di Gattuso e il pieno recupero di Nesta e Borriello, in aggiunta a Thiago Silva che è già nostro e pronto a giocare, ci eviterà di andare in giro a prendere chissà chi."- gazzetta