All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=3197

can someone PLEASE translate this, i know it has a lot but I would really appriciate this.....

MOGGI DESIGNATORE - Il 10 agosto 2004 si gioca a Torino l'andata dei preliminari di Champions League tra la Juve e gli svedesi del Djugarden. L'arbitro tedesco Herbert Fandel annulla un gol a Miccoli, finisce 2-2. L'indomani Moggi chiama Pairetto: "Gigi, ma che cazzo di arbitro ci avete mandato?". Pairetto tenta di difenderlo: "Fandel è uno dei primi, il top". Moggi: "Ma può andare a fare in culo, te lo dico io. Oh, mi raccomando per Stoccolma (la partita di ritorno, ndr), eh?". Pairetto: "Porco Giuda, mamma mia, questa veramente dev'essere una partita... ". Già che c'è, Lucianone dà disposizioni anche per un'amichevole a Messina: "Oh, a Messina mandami Consolo e Battaglia. Con Cassarà, eh?". Pairetto: "Già fatto". Anche per l'amichevole di Livorno, tutto a posto. Moggi: "A Livorno Rocchi, eh?". Pairetto: "A Livorno Rocchi, sì". Un pensierino anche alla partitissima d'agosto con il Milan, il Trofeo Luigi Berlusconi. Anche lì, l'arbitro lo sceglie Moggi: "E al "Berlusconi" Pieri, mi raccomando". Pairetto: "Non l'abbiamo ancora fatto". Moggi: "Lo facciamo dopo, dai". Puntualmente, il 27 agosto, l'arbitro al Meazza sarà Pieri.

"Con Gigi (Pairetto ndr) è una cannonata", si compiace Moggi con Giraudo: l'amico designatore ha appena telefonato dall'Uefa comunicando l'ottimo arbitro per il ritorno di Champions: "Mi ha detto "Pinochet" che viene Cardoso, è buono". Ma poi, a sorpresa, arriva l'inglese Graham Poll (Moggi lo chiama "Paul Green"): "Ci han cambiato l'arbitro, li mortacci loro. Che cazzo, oggi li voglio sentì". Sente Pairetto: "All'anima di Cardoso, eh?". Il designatore è imbarazzato: "E' successo qualcosa all'ultimo momento, io ho Cardoso: si vede che è andato male qualcosa". Andrà tutto bene: 4-1 in trasferta con il Djugarden, Juve qualificata.

@Mrki,sorry i cannot translate all at the moment since i`m in a hurry but this is by far the most interesting part.....obrati paznju

Moggi,the match fixer: On 10th of August 2004 in Turin,first leg of preliminary CL match is played between Juve and the Swedes,Djurgarden.German referee Herbert Fandel cancells Miccoli`s goal and it ends in 2-2.The following day Moggi calls Pairetto:``Gigi, wtf,who was the referee you sent? Pairetto is trying to defend him:`Fandel is one of the best`Moggi:`He can go sc*ew himself, i tell you.Oh yeah i just remembered about the Stocholm(second leg),eh?`Pairetto:`Bloody hell,mamma mia, what a match that is going to be...` There`s also Lucianone available for the friendly in Messina. `Oh, in Messina, send mi Consolo e Battaglia.With Cassara,eh?`Pairetto: `Done`. For the friendly in Livorno, everything is ok.` Moggi:`In Livorno Rocchi,yeah`.Just a worrying thought for a match against Milan, Il trofeo Luigi Berlusconi. Again, the referee is selected by Moggi:` For Berlusconi match, Pieri, i tell you so.` Pairetto:`We still haven`t arranged it.` Moggi: We`ll arrange(read: pay) it later, come on.`Exactly how it was aid,on 27th, at Meazza, Pieri it was.
With Gigi (Pairetto)it`s perfect, Moggi tells Giraudo.Match fixer has already phoned Uefa and asking for the referee for the second leg in CL.``PINOCHET told me that Cardoso will be there, he`s ok.` But at his surprise, Graham Poll was there(whom Moggi calls Paul Green) ``They changed the referee,wtf``.Pairetto is listening:`Good grief, Cardoso eh?` Match fixer is embarrassed: `It was a last minute thing, i thought it was supposed to be Cardoso: it is obvious that something went wrong``.
Everything goes ok:4-1 in return leg against Djurgardn, Juve qualifies.

@Giova, check up if i translated something completely wrong.

Wow...surprise surprise...and yet nothing, I repeat, nothing will come of it, I am sure.

Italian football is really making a cynic out of me.

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/116444.asp

check out another report! Its time to take action. Galliani shouldn't lay back and let this situation walk over him. He should take action as one of the league's admin!

You guys can't be more patetic than these. Wow, Moggi was asking for specific refs - and did he got them ? No .
And he asked them for Berlusconi Cup and some friendly matches - Wooooooow, what a crime. Those matches were really important.
Too bad Juventus directors and officials are not in position to listen Berlusconi's phone conversations. Interesting stuff would have come out of those conversations, i bet ya.

You have the most influental person in Italy and the most influental person in Italian football and still you are trying to find reasons for your falures. I can only imagine what would all of you be saying if Berlusconi and Galliani were in Juventus.
Don't cry people. I certanly won't accuse Milan if Juve fails to win the Scudetto.
I wonder why people always envy you when you're at the top ?????????

No one envies gobbi. Its that for a reason no one knows gobbi seems always unbeatible in Italy BUT they are pathetic in Europe.

IN ITALIA LARDI IN EUROPA COGLIONI

You are on the top of what? Right now you are on a free fall, you should realise my friend.

Nobody here is envious of Juve. We have our own big club that we're supporting, and brings us far more European cups than your club does

But, there is no smoke without a fire, and we've been seeing smoke coming from Turin for a while now. See, if Juve is found guilty in this case, then none of us would be even slightly surprised.

Of course Juve are top...they are the top thieves in Italy...bar none!

But again, the league will look to take sanctions...but will they? Juve are a powerful entity...and somehow, someway..this will be swept under the rug...

What the league should do, is sanction them by removing points...but we all know this wont happen...and worse, with Galliani in the position that he holds...it will seem too "convenient"..

Originally Posted by Franco6

No one envies gobbi. Its that for a reason no one knows gobbi seems always unbeatible in Italy BUT they are pathetic in Europe.

IN ITALIA LARDI IN EUROPA COGLIONI

Pathetic in Europe? If you're talking about last 3 seasons then YES, Juve was really, really bad ( at least for a team with such big name) and Milan was without any doubts the better team . But you can never say Juve was pathetic, because 4 finals in last 10 years is something only a big club can achieve.
Anyways : I know i didn't start very good here and my post was provocative, but i really get nervous when Juve's "dirty games" are someone's reason for their failure. Why would Berlusconi and now Galliani leave Juve to play dirty ( and yes, Juve sometimes plays dirty) ???? Ofcourse, because they are doing the same thing ! In my country, the position was stealing like hell, but when the oposition grabbed the power they never arrested any of the ministers etc, because they started doing the same thing and were affraid that a revange will follow .
I've been reading your posts here for exactly 7 months and i really find this forum very well organized, with great lads and interesting posts. I am a member of Juventuz.com, and i give you the credit for having a better site without the chaos that is there. I also dislike Sach, and Kui+Zlatanov are my favourites here.
But many times when i see the fan talking out of you, without being realistic, i just need to reply to some of you. I controled myself until now, but if you'll allow me, i will continue disagreeing with you on some matters in the future ( without using faul language and with all the respect to all of you, ofcourse)

Good Luck lads.

why else would they request a ref? favours, i would like to see how this goes...

No problem. I can even register myself under another username and always write how big and great Milan is, if that's the only thing you want to hear here.
I thought you won't mind some critics and useful debates, i guess i was wrong !

i edited what i originally said because i didnt read your post properly sorry if you always write how big and great Milan is that cant hurt

Originally Posted by Graeme C

i edited what i originally said because i didnt read your post properly sorry if you always write how big and great Milan is that cant hurt

Hehe, np !
And imagine the fun here with my nick if Juve fails to win the Scudetto !

Originally Posted by Scudetto 29

Pathetic in Europe? If you're talking about last 3 seasons then YES, Juve was really, really bad ( at least for a team with such big name) and Milan was without any doubts the better team . But you can never say Juve was pathetic, because 4 finals in last 10 years is something only a big club can achieve.

Agreed, but what about a club that makes the semis 4 out of 4 years?

HUGE?

Originally Posted by Scudetto 29

Why would Berlusconi and now Galliani leave Juve to play dirty ( and yes, Juve sometimes plays dirty) ???? Ofcourse, because they are doing the same thing !

Good theory, but without any evidence (as is currently available re Juve)..then this argument is invalid.

Originally Posted by Scudetto 29

I've been reading your posts here for exactly 7 months and i really find this forum very well organized, with great lads and interesting posts. I am a member of Juventuz.com, and i give you the credit for having a better site without the chaos that is there.

Thanks. We do appreciate your compliments.

Originally Posted by Scudetto 29

if you'll allow me, i will continue disagreeing with you on some matters in the future ( without using faul language and with all the respect to all of you, ofcourse)

We dont mind fans of other clubs posting here..indeed, its good to hear from you guys as well...after all, despite what some/many think..u guys are people too!

Most of us here welcome debates, which are sure to occur when a Juventus fan posts. We have several other Juve fans who are quite regular posters, and we look forward to their input when they choose to make it.

Welcome to Milanmania, and as long as you keep it clean, no problems!!