All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

QUote:

I think i found out why Zidane kicked Materazzi...

The rumour says that Materazzi invited Zidane to come play for Inter






LOL

Originally Posted by acmilanone

QUote:

I think i found out why Zidane kicked Materazzi...

The rumour says that Materazzi invited Zidane to come play for Inter

Yeah, yeah, funny guy...

this is great, MM is hosting a Juventino making fun of our Interisti friends... haha...

Originally Posted by SANT

this is great, MM is hosting a Juventino making fun of our Interisti friends... haha...

People will make fan of Juve results in the next year(s).
I have to use these moments, while Juve is still on top of Serie A, to make fun of Interistsi and the other Italians who couldn't win anything.

Anyway, i was wrong about what Materazzi said to Zidane. He never invited him to play for Inter, but he told him something about his family.
(This explains why Zidane didn't continue kicking Matrix, as he certanly would have if "Come to play for Inter" was what Matrix told him)

The true problem comes from the fact that some ppl hear really are not willing to accept the enivitable, Milan and Juve will have sevear punishments on them and it may cost them much for next season, but hey if both of you stayed, well nothing surely is gonna happen except...OH let's say,.... press attacks from all around confirming Italin corruption in football is so big here that it's incurable and that might force the UEFA to take actions into their own hands which might affect the future of Italian clubs in UEFA competitions, because as I understand, there are also charges (at least on Juves side) regarding matches in the CL as well right?

Look, Milan and Juve officials have done wrong, and thus the club has to pay, but I agree it's not fair for the fans and players, but at least you and the players have a choice now, to continue to support and stand by the club or just leave and find a new club, as for the club itself, represented by its officials, they MUST be punished. Imagine if it was Inter not Milan in the scandle, you'de be just in my shoes and doing the same thing here.

As for that Juve dude, remember that match in 97 or 98 in San Siro, in which Colina was ref, and he didn't order a correct penalty for Ronaldo and then gave one incorrectly to Del Piero, and that costed us the title? Remember the match last season against Treviso in Del Alpi, the match that Alex also scored but from a clear offside? The linesman was on the same line as Del Piero and the defender was miles away and yet it was counted as a goal? Remember and remember and remember.... Juve has a way too long history in this thing.

Originally Posted by Karim Abdoun

The true problem comes from the fact that some ppl hear really are not willing to accept the enivitable, Milan and Juve will have sevear punishments on them and it may cost them much for next season, but hey if both of you stayed, well nothing surely is gonna happen except...OH let's say,.... press attacks from all around confirming Italin corruption in football is so big here that it's incurable and that might force the UEFA to take actions into their own hands which might affect the future of Italian clubs in UEFA competitions, because as I understand, there are also charges (at least on Juves side) regarding matches in the CL as well right?

Look, Milan and Juve officials have done wrong, and thus the club has to pay, but I agree it's not fair for the fans and players, but at least you and the players have a choice now, to continue to support and stand by the club or just leave and find a new club, as for the club itself, represented by its officials, they MUST be punished. Imagine if it was Inter not Milan in the scandle, you'de be just in my shoes and doing the same thing here.

As for that Juve dude, remember that match in 97 or 98 in San Siro, in which Colina was ref, and he didn't order a correct penalty for Ronaldo and then gave one incorrectly to Del Piero, and that costed us the title? Remember the match last season against Treviso in Del Alpi, the match that Alex also scored but from a clear offside? The linesman was on the same line as Del Piero and the defender was miles away and yet it was counted as a goal? Remember and remember and remember.... Juve has a way too long history in this thing.

inter is also involved with the ex-FIGC president so don't try to make yourself look innnocent. inter get illegal info about UCL refs so they should be banned from european competitions, agreed? if don't agree then go back to your inter forums and continue dreaming and living in self denial. Pot calling the kettle black, go back to suck thumbs.

Originally Posted by Karim Abdoun

The true problem comes from the fact that some ppl hear really are not willing to accept the enivitable, Milan and Juve will have sevear punishments on them and it may cost them much for next season, but hey if both of you stayed, well nothing surely is gonna happen except...OH let's say,.... press attacks from all around confirming Italin corruption in football is so big here that it's incurable and that might force the UEFA to take actions into their own hands which might affect the future of Italian clubs in UEFA competitions, because as I understand, there are also charges (at least on Juves side) regarding matches in the CL as well right?

Look, Milan and Juve officials have done wrong, and thus the club has to pay, but I agree it's not fair for the fans and players, but at least you and the players have a choice now, to continue to support and stand by the club or just leave and find a new club, as for the club itself, represented by its officials, they MUST be punished. Imagine if it was Inter not Milan in the scandle, you'de be just in my shoes and doing the same thing here.

As for that Juve dude, remember that match in 97 or 98 in San Siro, in which Colina was ref, and he didn't order a correct penalty for Ronaldo and then gave one incorrectly to Del Piero, and that costed us the title? Remember the match last season against Treviso in Del Alpi, the match that Alex also scored but from a clear offside? The linesman was on the same line as Del Piero and the defender was miles away and yet it was counted as a goal? Remember and remember and remember.... Juve has a way too long history in this thing.

The difference between us and you is that we want demotion for Juve because it is the correct punishment based on their level of guilt. As for us, all Milanistas here know that we have some involvement in this, and if our involvment was as much as Juve, then many of us wont hesitate to accept equal punishment. However, as far as the evidence is concerned, we are no where near as guilty as Juve and thus do not deserve the same punishment. Starting the season with negative points will suck, (although we will still end the season with more points than you) but if it is what we deserve, then we accept it.

You, on the other hand, sound like you want Milan and Juve relegated because that might be the only chance that you will win something. Let me break some news to you, if we get relegated along with Juve, Roma will win the title and you guys can start looking for other people to blame for your failures. And of course, you would want Juve's tarnished scudettos---how else would you get them? On the field? When was the last time you won it? 1989 was a LONG time ago my friend.

Originally Posted by Karim Abdoun

...As for that Juve dude, remember that match in 97 or 98 in San Siro, in which Colina was ref, and he didn't order a correct penalty for Ronaldo and then gave one incorrectly to Del Piero, and that costed us the title? ...

You, interistas, do not remember your own history
That game was in the season 1996/97, 33rd round at Delle Alpi, Juve-Inter 1-0 and the ref wasn't Collina (do you think Collina could do such a thing???), I forgot his name
Peruzzi fouled Ronaldo, the ref didn't give a penalty, and seconds later Pagliuca fouled Del Piero, and then the ref gave the penalty
Gotta admit, that wasn't fair...

Originally Posted by rt9

You, on the other hand, sound like you want Milan and Juve relegated because that might be the only chance that you will win something.

LOL... that sounds like Inter doesn't feel secured even if Milan got 9pts deducted (according to some Italian newspaper).

Just kidding~

A little to late Mr. President.
At least a change of heart from our Chief. I wonder what got him to change his mind?

This is from the official site at AcMilan.com

Originally Posted by acmilan.com

7/13/2006
MILAN - President Berlusconi added in La Gazzetta dello Sport: ’I am against everyone being relegated, I am speaking not just as Milan president. I am against it because relegating a side like Juventus would also hurt third parties. How many teams are not guilty, would we then be forced to stop the trial against Juventus? It will also damage creating sponsors and television companies that have already signed deals. Then there is the matter of exclusion from European competition. In this case, fans and players are also being unjustly penalised. I am speaking as Milan president and why should a club like ours that has been in the forefront of the European stage for the last three years be penalised? However, I don’t want to think of our own interests but I am looking at the big picture. Even leaving out the players and fans, we should hit those who really made the mistake. However, we should have a serious and true trial, diverse from the one we are assisting in.’

Originally Posted by Rayno_acm

You, interistas, do not remember your own history
That game was in the season 1996/97, 33rd round at Delle Alpi, Juve-Inter 1-0 and the ref wasn't Collina (do you think Collina could do such a thing???), I forgot his name
Peruzzi fouled Ronaldo, the ref didn't give a penalty, and seconds later Pagliuca fouled Del Piero, and then the ref gave the penalty
Gotta admit, that wasn't fair...

You better get your facts straight...

Ronaldo played in Barcelona in the 96/97 season.

It was in the 97/98 season and Ronaldo was fouled by Iuliano. Juventus scored shortly after and won the match.

After the match the ref and the Juve-players admitted that Ronaldo should have been given a penalty.

Here is the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBGR4...=Quel%20rigore

Originally Posted by Capo Ultra

You better get your facts straight...

Ronaldo played in Barcelona in the 96/97 season.

It was in the 97/98 season and Ronaldo was fouled by Iuliano. Juventus scored shortly after and won the match.

After the match the ref and the Juve-players admitted that Ronaldo should have been given a penalty.

Here is the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBGR4...=Quel%20rigore

Well, I remeber that was in Ronaldo's first season with inter merda
In that game the coach Simoni, Ronaldo and Zamorano were sent off, guess why

Guys, I heard that verdict is done already, but not yet announced.
Juventus in Serie B (-15 points), Lazio and Fiorentina in Serie A (-12 points), Milan in Serie A (-9 points). But that info is not official

Originally Posted by Kui

You know what is very disturbing too??? The speed at which the trial is moving. I mean look... even for Juve, the biggest scandal in football is all wrapped up in a matter of months? Stuff like this should actually take at least a year... just for the trial! There has been no time for parties accused to get depositions to help their defense and or to scrutinize the States evidence against them. Isnt it odd people?

Sorry that I'm quoting myself. I do this to as reference to readers and for myself in responding to peoples replies and debates.

The response from Tony29....

Originally Posted by Tony29

Well Kui, i think the investigators, prosecutors and judges are also in very delicate situation.
Like you said, it should normally take a year, maybe even years, to give the final verdict about such a delicate matter as this one.
But what if Juventus is found guilty after that year ? What should they do with the season 2006/07 in which Juve will participate because , before the final verdict is given, Juve is not guilty yet ?
And looking at it from the other side...what if Juve is now proclaimed guilty, without giving time to defense to defend the team, and if the trials would have lasted for 1 year, Juventus would have actually get out clean ? Then Juve will spend a season in B, and they were never supposed to play there at first place !!!!

But since scenario number 1 won't happen, and scenario number 2 is happening, then i must agree with you that this is very odd ! It all looks like one big farce !!

Ok the situation is delicate. Nonetheless everyone should be given the full due process of the law. Whether the power behind Juve did indeed commit match fixing, if they are not given the right to due process it ends up as a FACT that those who are indeed innocent will also be in danger of not getting due process. The innocent will get burnt at the stake along with those who do commit wrong.
I'd hope you all here are with wisdom to know what due process is! This trial and it's expediency to meet supposed dealines is not giving due process. All accused should be given ample time to do their own investigation, collect affadavits, depositions, and to scrutinize the evidence itself. No one knows the level of ethics or if ethics were even applied to this investigation or from the investigators. Those who will cast down judgement should in the name of fairness recuse themselves from hearing the case. Why? Well some of you have disclosed the fact that Senator Rossi is a political adversary of Berlusconi. Why is there no ethics or chance to challenge this? This needs to be done first and foremost! Not after ther verdict through the appeals process.

I will have to disagree with you Tony when you said people were not too thrilled with getting those two titles from you. That was very few far and between page 1 and page now of this thread. The antiJuve fan had denied you due process well before the investigated evidence even came out. You were guilty and always guilty in the eyes of those people. Now when they've been measured, weighed and found wanting... this lot is changing their minds really quick. Why? For they did not know that to burn Juve, there was a heavy price to be paid to watch this happen. They did not realize certain conventional wisdoms out there. That we will reap what we sow. That we should be careful what we wish for. The Et tu Brute. There will be still the fools who will be in a bliss with a Juve demotion and yet totally oblivious and with a wonder why we too will be punished. They thought they were in to watchin a free hanging. I know even Berlu is rueing the whole situation. As quoted from the official website:

Originally Posted by AcMilan.com

7/13/2006
MILAN - President Berlusconi had this to say in Gazzetta dello Sport: ’I am not going to make any statements about the amnesty as it does not seem applicable. There is another discussion: this trial is taking place without indispensable characteristics of certainty that must be taken into consideration, there are at least three. First: the judges have not listened to all the telephone calls so secondly, they have not listened to all the witnesses. Thirdly: there are evidenced various situations from what has taken place. There seems sufficient reasons to assert that there are not some guarantees to arrive at the full facts on part of the judges. Another important consideration is that money has never been mentioned so corruption cannot be spoken about in the exact sense. I do not acquit everyone but the eventual sanctions should not hit the players, many of whom have demonstrated on the pitch to be the best in the world and they do not deserve to go down to Serie B or C. The fans should not be penalised either as they are not responsible, they just pay and the true resonsiblity lies with the managers and referees and a true outcome would be arrived at after listening to all the witnesses in a calm manner not after a highly summarised trial. I remember that Milan have finished second in two championships. If we had finished first then they would have been recognised, it’s right that the second is reward, otherwise we are adding insult to injury.’

Again... a little too late! Alaea Iacta Est! Another 180 turn from page 1 til page now of this saga. Rest assured Tony if Juve do go down to Serie B, I personally will not enjoy that moment. Be comforted though! Serie B can be percieved as a victory for your club. It could be as big as a scudetti win. Whereas Milan going to Serie B or even remaining in Serie A with mass deducted points is certainly in my eyes a terrible defeat for us. Yet again we will be in 2nd place to you folks with regards to the drama unfolding. There is no way if we are deducted points that we will win scudetti next year. Our season will be over before it even starts! By 2007/2008 you vecchia donnas will be back and Milan will not be defending scudetti champs for 2006/2007. I hope the price was worth it for those wanting to see Juve hang.

Here Endeth the Lesson.

Kui, i must say you're wrong. This MM member will get what he wants :

Originally Posted by aceventura

We should hope for heavy punishment for Juve and get Gigi and Zambrota from them.

Originally Posted by Tony 29

Kui, i must say you're wrong. This MM member will get what he wants :

Wait hang on Tony. I was under the impression that you were telling me that many Milanisti were NOT zealous into getting anything such as titles or players if Juve go down. What you have written is either a contradiction or a misundrstanding of each others position. What you have said above I totally agree with you. That such people are into Juve falling not in the pursuit of justice but in the pursuit of personal gain for the club they support. I will add that it is that kind of motive on behalf of Berlusconi and other misguided fans that got us into legal trouble in the first place.