All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

i was hoping that i wud find some ggod fans to talk to

Originally Posted by trinitalian

i was hoping that i wud find some ggod fans to talk to

Plenty of good fans to talk to here, friend

Originally Posted by Giorgos

First of all for Kui and rt9 the most of us know that Milan was not innocent and because of the power of Berlusconi, the verdict for us was not so harsh.

First of all... you might want to speak for yourself as the "most of you's" are telling me this after the fact. Before that, Milan were "truly in their hearts" innocent. So now you are saying the "most of you's" knew we were always guilty! I seriously dont recall you engaging in this forum until.... well.... until now. I have said from the beginning what was to happen. It was never about innocence or guilt but by perception and implied guilt of all parties and if we were able to get justice for all parties whether a guilty or not guilty verdict. Looks like some want justice only for the fact that the verdict didnt sway in their favor. Before that it was and always was a witch hunt.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

yeah this is old news. Plus it was also predictable. Gazzetta reported it two days ago.

Anyone could tell Palazzi would appeal.

We can hope only for the best Kui. Hope and pray

Predictable huh? Give me a prediction Hasan. What do you think? We played our Aces in the hole soooo wrong and the pair of deuces is going to hurt us.

Originally Posted by Oldman

I think it is a matter of time when will Palazzi got shot by one of Juve, Fio and Lazio fan. Have read that Fio fans make a demo at the railway station that mainly connecting Milan - Roma.

And I would be the first here to condemn such stupidity. No one should go this far!

Originally Posted by Oldman

Is there any evidence or indication why is Pallazi so spiritful to punish the 4 clubs?? Is he also has a "shadow connection" with Inter as Guido Rossi??

You mean in the same spiritful manner Milanisti wanted to punish just Juve? If it was not wrong when we were boastfully doing this, how is it wrong for Pallazi to do this with zeal?

Originally Posted by Oldman

IMHO, the chance for CL this year is over and it is better to start next season with a max -9 points and have the place for UEFA Cup rather than nothing.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, Milan should be able to keep the key players and reinforce the present team to be able to compete with the "LOOSER INTER" so that one day we would hear a news that Moratti jump from 10th floor cause Inter NEVER WIN a scudetto during his era.....

We'll get at best 3rd place with where we are before the season is even starting and with the squad we got.

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

So, forgive me please for laughing at Juve, forgive me for hoping that as a result of this scandal, that the Serie A will be better off for it. Forgive me for hoping that the Gobbi go down to Serie C, and as for Italian football being weaker? Give me a break...you cannot be serious! When Milan was demoted, did Italian football suffer? Did the standards drop precipitously?

Well you should be happy Warro. Or are you upset that they only went down to Serie B? Is Serie A better off Warro?

Originally Posted by Warro

Italians love their football, more than any other sport...so why would it grind to a halt, be forever depreciated, because Juve is in B? Gimmie a break!

Well you got a lot p!ssed off EyeTalians around and about right now.

Originally Posted by Waroo

I still maintain that we (Milan) will emerge unscathed(IMO)...Meani may be banned, Galliani as well...but the club, which is bigger than any individual, will survive, in Serie A, (and long live Berlu, and his money!) and we wont be relegated, wont face point deductions, and will be whistling dixie, or whatever Italians whistle, as we stroll merrily toward a double trophy winning season next term....

I'm glad Warro that we came out "unscathed" in this scandal. Good call btw with the Meani/Galliani ban! You singing dixie and picking from a land ob cotton? Look away! Look away Warro! Look away! Look away now! You hear?

Originally Posted by Warro

(Kui, you can now use this to lambast me if we do face sanctions at the end of the day).

NOOOOOOOO! Me lambast you? Why would I want to do that?

Originally Posted by Warro

Now, I am renowned as one of the all time leading pragmatists here..so why is it that I am all sunshine about this issue?

Its because I refuse to believe that we are guilty, or anywhere near as guilty as Juve is/was....and will maintain this position, and will continue to believe, regardless of the verdict these retired judges present us with....until irrevocable evidence is unearthed that we are indeed guilty.

I like the 180 degree turn towards some entirely new now. Looking forward to some more of your pragmatism. Please do! It's quite invigorating!

Originally Posted by Warro

Until such time, I will not fret, worry, or concern myself with what will happen to Milan, since as I have stated millions of times, I believe us innocent, or victims as Tio Silvio stated.

PS: The verdicts will still leave us plenty of time to reinforce the defense, and replace Sheva.

Ok... now I'll be serious in this response to you Warro. I hope you do understand that I did this all in jest and am just smug as heck messing with you on this post you made about a month ago. But seriously... we can scream our innocence as loud as we want to, these verdicts gave us **** with regards to time to get our calciomercato in order. Perhaps we should have fretted, worried, and concerned ourselves... even just a little about the scandal and what would happen to Milan.

Now that I'm digressing back into p!ss and vinegar, do inspire me with some jahbonic words of inspiration.

Originally Posted by J. Bond

Roma is not better than Juve.
The best example of match-fixing is Roma - Cagliari (8-Feb-2006).
If you watched this game, you know what I mean.

Yes! this was precisely the game i had in mind when i Mentioned Roma as
could be candidates as the other 2 investigated.. i don't know if any of u watched the game but the referee might have been wearing the Roma crest
on his shirt while he officiated the game.. it was absolutely ridiculous & the game was a total farce.. it was an insult to Italian football at its worst.. I dun think i ever even saw a Juve game being officiated with such biasness than this...

If it was in Colombia, the referee would have been shot dead in his hotel 12times in the chest (Andre Escobar? USA'94??)

Guys, it's not Roma and Inter. Chievo and Reggina are the new 2 clubs involved !

Originally Posted by Tony 29

Guys, it's not Roma and Inter. Chievo and Reggina are the new 2 clubs involved !

Absolutely amazing isnt it Tony? The house of cards is tumbling. Looks like it goes way beyond Moggi.

If Chievo are found guilty then surely that means no CL for them either. Does that mean that we get bumped up another position ?

I wouldn't be surprised if the penalty they got was manipulated so that Milan would not get Uefa cup football.

On a side note, were we fined any money along with the points deduction ?

Originally Posted by Tony 29

Guys, it's not Roma and Inter. Chievo and Reggina are the new 2 clubs involved !

Ah Inter escape again? what a suprise...Anyway...is this even official yet? If im not mistaken Chievo are in the cl...so lets see what happens...

Originally Posted by Kui

Absolutely amazing isnt it Tony? The house of cards is tumbling. Looks like it goes way beyond Moggi.

It certanly goes as some predicted, i agree with that.
But honestly, i would really like to finally see the end of all this. I feel very tired !!!
If they continue with this tempo, there won't be any serie A next year.
And i believe they are involving Reggina just to make more damage to Juve and especially to Milan. Looks like Reggina's fishy matches were against these 2 clubs. I didn't read the new report yet, and these are only speculations i read in some other sites.

Originally Posted by Kui

Looks like it goes way beyond Moggi.

It looks so, yes.
According to that article i put here yesterday (about the 2 new clubs involved), the new report has 300 pages, and from the report can be seen that it wasn't Moggi system but Calcio system functioning in serie A, and almost everybody was involved, from top to bottom.


Here it is :
Le nuove intercettazioni dimostrerebbero l'esistenza di un sistema generalizzato che convolgeva tutto il mondo del calcio e non solo la Juventus .

Questa volta la Procura partenopea avrebbe salvaguardato la massima riservatezza dell'operazione per evitare che i testi delle intercettazioni finiscano, come successo nella prima inchiesta, in parto ai media. In realtà è il quotidiano "Il Giornale" a possedere queste 300 pagine e a conoscere i nomi di queste due squadre di A che potrebbero entrare nel vortice di Calciopoli nei prossimi giorni.

I PM Beatrice e Narducci hanno già da qualche giorno pronti i faldoni e aspettano solo il momento buono per trasferirli in via Allegri.

http://www.sports.it/it/cmc/calcio/2...cmc_98942.html

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Bolded part : The new interceptions prove the existance of one general system that involved the whole world of calcio, not only Juventus

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

...On a side note, were we fined any money along with the points deduction ?

Yes, we were fined, if I'm not wrong, it was something like 30 000 Euros
It's getting more and more interesting, Chievo is in the CL list, does this mean we will be placed on 7th position?

Originally Posted by Rayno_acm

It's getting more and more interesting, Chievo is in the CL list, does this mean we will be placed on 7th position?

Dunno to tell you what's gonna happen, but even if the new report really proves Chievo's guilt ( all papers confirmed the existance of the new report, but there isn't much noise about this in italian media) , i don't think they have time until July 25 to finish the potentional trial against Chievo.
That's why i don't expect any changes in European list of italian clubs !