Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Lets look at past CL winners(last few yrs) and how many over 30 players were in their starting 11+3 subs.

ManU: 3 Vandersal, Giggs and Scholes
Milan: Beside Kaka, Pirlo, Pato, Ambro and Gattuso, everyone were over 30
Bacelona: None
Liverpool: Dudek, Hypia, Hamann,and Smicer
Porto: Not too familar with this team but as far as I remember, they have none.
Milan: Rui Costa, Maldini, and Billy
Real: None
Bayern Munich: Kahn, Scholl, Matthaus, Effenberg, Lizarazu
Real: None
Man Utd: Irwin, Schmicheal,and Sheringham

As you can see, the chances of winning the CL with alot of 30 and over players is unlikely.

Maybe I should send this to Galliani, Berlu and Carlo

true but if you look at lineups of those teams majoirty were players 26-29 years old. Manutd had carrick (27) hagreaves (27), ferdinand (30), vidic (27), evra (27), wes brown (30)

milan we all know but the midfield featured 27, 28, 29

barcelona i think u make sound younger than they were... they started a midfield of deco, van bemmel, edmilson who at time of final 29, 29, 30. Uptop it was ronaldinho 26, etoo 25, guily 30... and the backline was van brockhorst 31, puyol 28, marques, 27 ogluer 26..... by no means a 'young team'

ever team seems to reflect this age bracket.... still milan need to bring in players 21-24. Of course if a class player older is available or a cant miss prospect younger u get them,

So if Boriello and Nesta are fit, we buy nobody? I hope Carlo and Galliani have a better plan that that.

I still think we need a strong target man (can always use an extra one when you have Inzaghi at his age and an injury-prone Boriello), a center back (Alex would be the best) and either a left or right wing back (with Zambro playing either side). Marek is a liability in defense and Flamini is wasted on the right flank. So if it were up to me, 3 players and we should be set.

Now, I am not knocking on over 30 players, but the fact is that CL winners of past usually are made up with players under 30. TO me I think, with the exception of GK and CB, players prime age is 23-29. Ofcourse there are exceptions, like Pippo, DP, Nedved...but for the majority of them, 23-29 are their prime age. If we want to compete in all fronts, we can't rely on a whole bunch of over 30 players in our top 16 players.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Now, I am not knocking on over 30 players, but the fact is that CL winners of past usually are made up with players under 30. TO me I think, with the exception of GK and CB, players prime age is 23-29. Ofcourse there are exceptions, like Pippo, DP, Nedved...but for the majority of them, 23-29 are their prime age. If we want to compete in all fronts, we can't rely on a whole bunch of over 30 players in our top 16 players.

and thats the key part... u can win CL with an older team but u cant compete in europe and italy wit a) an old squad.... and b) a thin squad

The main part is that the management don't want to compete on all fronts. Out of Scudetto by Dec, ditto Coppa Italia, and put all hopes in CL. Shambolic management. I wish Milan was owned by fans, coz I'd fire their asses now.

Thats the problem with the MGT. They believe as long as the team is in CL, thats all good.

I don't think any other big teams have that mentality.

To me, we can always claim to have great history.....but the truth is that the MGT just does not want to make us a great team anymore.

The only reason the management thinks that way is because money is their only focus nowadays. As long as the team is in the CL, we are all good because we are guaranteed a lot of money coming in. With this management, it wouldn't be inconceivable to think that they would probably make the team lose the CL final if finishing second means makes more money than finishing first.

I guess many of you here will enjoy Kaka's words, and continue to increase lots of fantasies!!!!


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Kakà: 'Resto al Milan con una squadra più giovane e forte'

11:45 del 11 maggio

(Foto: Dino Panato / GRAZIA NERI)

"Real Madrid o Manchester United? Scelgo il Milan". Kakà rassicura i tifosi rossoneri sul suo futuro e su quello della squadra. Il campione brasiliano ha dichiarato in un'intervista al quotidiano francese Aujourd'hui Sports: "Il Milan è un grande club, io credo ancora in questo progetto. Tutti sanno che la nostra squadra ha bisogno di essere rinforzata e ringiovanita. Emerson è già andato via e si ritirerà Maldini. L'ideale sarebbe un giusto mix tra giovani e giocatori d'esperienza, come quando arrivai in Italia nel 2003".

Su Gerrard: "Non ho mai detto che che dobbiamo prenderlo o che arriverà al Milan perché so che è impossibile, mi hanno chiesto un giocatore che mi piace ed io ho semplicemente fatto il suo nome".

Su Gourcuff: "Sono felice per la grande stagione che ha disputato. Ha segnato tanti gol, facendo bene anche in nazionale. Da noi ha sofferto, ma se dovesse tornare ora sarebbe diverso".

I read somewhere that ancelotti said that our market will depend on nesta's and borrielo's recoveries..

firtsly that hopefully means that our first priority is our defence(and our attack)..but secondly i dont think that nesta's recovery has a lot do with our needs in the defence..i mean that even if nesta recovers noone can be sure of his phsical an psycological condition anymore..moreover im pretty sure that he s going to be injured again,and even if he doesnt he will never be able to play 3-4 good matches in a row..he is 33 and his last match was 1 year ago..

maldini will retire,favalli should too(even if he stays,it's the same for me),senderos will go home,also noone cant be sure anout thiago's quality(personally i m not that optimistic on him)defender 23 years old,with no serious experiences on another "football planet" for him...and our market depends on nesta's recovery?

i'll be happy if carlo means nestas recovery will depend the number of the defenders we'll get..

p.s. I still think that carlo has to go..
p.s.2 my ideal mercato would be:
1)nesta back
2)mexes or santacrocce
3)gourcuf back
4)adebayor or any wc target forward(i tottally agree with carlo on this one)

IF we don't sign someone new, as long as we recall players like Polashi, Abate, DiGennerao, and Gourcuff and kick players like Seedorf, Dida, Kalac, Senderous, Sheva and Kaladze.

I will be more than happy.

Just can't stand players like Seedorf anymore, as he is completely crap and should have some pride in asking to leave, as I never seen any home team players being boo this bad. The fact that it will only get worse is not a good sign.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

IF we don't sign someone new, as long as we recall players like Polashi, Abate, DiGennerao, and Gourcuff and kick players like Seedorf, Dida, Kalac, Senderous, Sheva and Kaladze.

That'd be a good start of the mercato, but not a good conclusion. We have two areas in which we absolutely HAVE to reinforce at CB and CF. Meanwhile, we also have a hole at wingback that deserves some serious attention. The young players coming back can't fix these three positions at all. Paloschi is a nice young player but not a target man type of talent given his physical limitations. The best player of that bunch is Gourcuff and his comeback seems even more unlikely now that Ancelotti seems to be staying. This summer, we absolutely have to make the right purchases to strength our squad even if it means we have to spend money.

All news are according to Channel4.

Berlusconi blames Carletto

If this report is true, then Carlo is as good as gone or just show that he has no backbone whatsoever. In a way, I do agree with what Berlu was saying except, he forgot to point out the speed of the game and that he only wants to buy his fav. players instead of the right players. Just Leave Carlo and pls bring your two pets, Seedorf and Kaladze with you

Sheva wants Milan for life

I thought he already did with the season that he is having. Just hang up your boots after this season instead of making a fool of yourself by playing 10Mins a game next season.

Ambro settled at San Siro

Great news, as I still think he has something to offer to the side.

Juve track De Silvestri

Good news, considering Juve latest additions, it is best to avoid players that they want to sign.

Carletto bows to reliable Inter
If Carlo really does not understand that consistency wins the league after this many years playing and coaching, he really should not be a coach. Or maybe he just misunderstood as he probably think consistency means keep playing Seedorf even if he is unable to perform.

There will be lots of contradictory news and rumours but this has been widely reported and not just on rumour sites. As of today Ancelotti looks to be gone but I am willing to bet tomorrow there will be a 'he is staying' news report.

Little something from the goal.com

Calcio debate:

Those of you who regularly read my Calcio column will know that I am often a staunch defender of Serie A. There are many reasons why Italian clubs have flopped in Europe over the last couple of years - Calciopoli, a lack of money, traditional beliefs, poor management, inadequate defences – these are just a handful.

Juventus may have had some injury problems, but have things become so desperate that the centre of their midfield consists of two Christians who have to repent after every immoral game? Ten or so years ago, Juve had the best triangle in world football in Zidane, Deschamps and Davids, now they have a provincial-standard duo in Zanetti and Poulsen.

As for Milan,...................the centre of their defence should not have a combined age of 78.

Let’s get serious now. The bottom line is that if Milan and Juventus, who now look likely to finish second and third respectively, are to launch any assault next season on the Champions League and Inter’s Scudetto, they have to address areas of the pitch where the personnel is just not up to scratch. The names mentioned above, barring Maldini who is retiring, all have to go.

Another problem area is on the bench. Claudio Ranieri is almost certain to be sacked at the end of the season, and it will be long overdue. While ‘The Tinkerman’ celebrates last night’s draw like it is a victory, and claims that his side are “back”, he will do well to remember that Juve have not won a game for almost two months. Their last success was on March 21 at Roma, and they have since drawn five and lost one in Serie A, failing to beat three of the bottom five, as well as crashing out of the Coppa Italia to Lazio.
Sebastian Giovinco has been criminally left to rot on the sidelines by Ranieri, while it is puzzling why the ex-Chelsea coach pushed his hands down and told his side to play for the draw after Milan had been reduced to ten men.

Ranieri was not alone with his questionable tactics. Carlo Ancelotti undoubtedly got his formation wrong. Milan were always going to dominate possession against a Juve core of Zanetti and Poulsen, so there was no need at all to field a five-man midfield. It was a waste of a player who would have been much better served up-front. Had Pippo Inzaghi been partnered by Alexandre Pato in attack, and not unleashed as the sole frontman, Milan would have had much more of a cutting edge, and a far greater chance of winning.

Once again, Ancelotti was influenced by player power. There was no space for both Pato and Inzaghi without upsetting a senator like Seedorf, who scored and actually had one of his better games, but is still well below his old levels. This has been a Milan problem for a couple of years now – their family values are so strong that they are almost detrimental to the cause.

Any honest analysis of last night’s game between Milan and Juventus will conclude that these two giants, and Serie A as a whole, needs some repair. It does not require a Silvio Berlusconi facelift - a few big signings in key areas will do the trick. Juventus must realise though that there will be no resurrection with a centre midfield of two Christians, and Milan must acknowledge the same about Va-Fa-lli.