Milan vs. Palermo - Sunday, 22 Oct.

So you think if Carlo had lets say Etto and Alves aswel as Serghinio and Gourcuff back he couldnt do anything with that.

I guarantee Carlo would win us the CL with those players.

Originally Posted by K77SH C

So you think if Carlo had lets say Etto and Alves aswel as Serghinio and Gourcuff back he couldnt do anything with that.

I guarantee Carlo would win us the CL with those players.

Its not really all about the players - its about tactics. He d play the same tactics with whatever players, because its his style. I can give you an example...Zenit ST-Petersburg...we have go a new coach now - **** Advocat. He is soooo much different from our previous coach, which was also a good one in my opinion. With the same players, we play differently, and we win almost every game now....Consider that at the start of the season we lost all games in a raw, a draw was a great result for us. And now from the very bottom we rased to the 4th position and have all chances to fight for a golden medal. That is what I am talking about...

Originally Posted by Bosniaco

You know what people, I'm really sick of this " we played well but we were unlucky" this is bull**** and I'm sick of it. All I care about is three points and not how we played, WE NEED THE POINTS we are falling behind... WAKE UP EVERYONE

To be precise we play like bullsh*t so we got the bullsh*t. Bye bye Scudetto, not because of the points we have now but because the squad quality.

In fact this defeat is a good sign so that the management can understand a simple fact: you spend sh*t you get sh*t.

Whaaat???????

Cappello has his style too

two big doods in central midfield and a lack of creativity.

Carlo's system is fine, it just needs someone to replace Cafu and Seedorf when they are not fully upto it and a new striker to replace Sheva. Let me remind you we have been the most succesful team in the CL in the past few years with Carlo's system.

And players not being important, when we play Barca or Chelsea this year and Nesta or Kaka are injured then Il ask you who will win.

If this Advocat dood has recently become your manager its just a honeymoon period and mostlikely wont be long lasting. ie Mancini.

Originally Posted by K77SH C

Whaaat???????

Cappello has his style too

two big doods in central midfield and a lack of creativity.

Carlo's system is fine, it just needs someone to replace Cafu and Seedorf when they are not fully upto it and a new striker to replace Sheva. Let me remind you we have been the most succesful team in the CL in the past few years with Carlo's system.

And players not being important, when we play Barca or Chelsea this year and Nesta or Kaka are injured then Il ask you who will win.

I didnt say that players are not important..I said that with same players and different tactics teams play differently. We are PREDICTABLE. WE are not a secret and not a wonder for anyone in SEria A. Everyone knows more or less who ll start the game, what substitutions Carlo will make and who ll move where during the game.

Ask your self why, every one knows our starting line up and our substutions.

Because he hasnt got the players available.

Originally Posted by K77SH C

Ask your self why, every one knows our starting line up and our substutions.

Because he hasnt got the players available.

Oh, please...and how does everyone know where ll Kaka move during the game, from which side Pirlo will try to attack, how Nesta ll defend, how we do free kicks and corners, how ll the team rotate during the match...and how often when we win just 1:0 Ancelotti starts playing 5 -5....and many other things. Just because its the same all the time.

This is just ridiculous. Not just yesterday's result, but our play and results over the last 3-4 games or so. Somebody has to take responsibility. I dont think Carlo's necessarily to blame. As somebody has already mentioned, if you're given crap to work with, then how much can we really expect?

If the management wants to take credit for us being the most successful team in Europe (despite winning only 2 major trophies) over the past few years, then they also have to take criticism for GAMBLING on 35 year old Cafu, Seedorf, Inzaghi/Gila, RO and essentially the same midfield as 2003!!! Everyone know our team needed some freshening up over the summer. Everyone know we needed to replace our game-winning striker. BUt management decided to take their chances----I will never understand why. After pocketing a cool 30M for Sheva, the least we could have done is brought in some world class players---and IMO, Oliveira doesnt fit the bit. He should have come in for AMoroso, not for Shevchenko.

Capello has got his own style, but at least he has some ambition. Look what he has done with Real Madrid. They got Diarra (supposedly our transfer target), RVN, Reyes, Cannavaro, Emerson---all this while we pick up Oliveira and a young Gourcuff. This is just ridiculous. I am not one for buying players simply for the hell of it, but when you actually NEED them, why do we insist that our current players are good enough. How many more years is Cafu, Dida, Seedorf going to give us? And like someone said, what if Kaka gets injured? Then what?

Originally Posted by kastriot

I would say that you are right but one think I must say,Seedorf must be benched,not that his not good, he simply doesnt fit with milans style anymore
Kaka,Oliveira, Janku, Cafu, are pace players who like to atack at any time under any condition, Pirlo,Pippo and Gila are unpredictable.And seedorf neither is pace nor is unpredictable,I bet Sergio would do much better, cuz he has the tendency to attack without looking back.Seedorf always stops looks around than he makes a move, players like Kaka and Oliveira dont like that.
Thats what I had to say.

BRAVO KASTRIOT !!!
I can't explain as good as you do above!!
There are 2 players I had noticed in recent Milan games.

1. Seedorf always hold the ball and looked around where to pass it or made back passes with a very slow pace meaning to hold the team pace in overall.
2. Gattuso didn't as fast as before and seems that he loose his pressure power to hold the opponent players. In many cases he also like Seedorf..slowing down the pace of the team play.

Hope that Milan could improve in the midweek game against the Flying Donkey who have their Old Trainer back in their home...Gigi Neri who had a good record against Milan.

The only person who could adequately replace Gattuso is De Rossi.. who is too in love with Roma to leave.

Edit: Maybe not the ONLY person..but the best possible replacement.

Yes we have been so predictable. Take Palermo too as a counterexample. This team takes risks owning to the fact that they’ve scored so many goals and conceded a whole lot too, and some from laughable mistakes. Played a back 4 against a win with Lazio and today, they only had 3 in their backline. Even Zaccardo usually plays as a right back and not on the left. And I’ve seen their defense running up front to counter and confident in leaving their line (Barzagli - who was stellar , Zaccardo). When I was watching this game, it was reminiscent of how Palermo frustrated Lazio from scoring in a previous game, although Lazio had more chances and ball possession.

But this Palermo had a common consciousness and alertness, what Milan seemed to be missing today. Some of our players played well, pushed forward but a missed pass in a linkup costed a lot. When our pace was slow, Palermo’s midfield sniffed out our passes and closed in on us. Seedorf was slow and hence the attack hesistant at times and the baldies and co. were more dynamic! Sorry Gila, but he wasn’t in the rhythm too. I almost laughed when someone thought of a Milan 3-0 scoreline because Palermo have been doing well and have been focused in their away games, and also deservedly won today.

If we want to improve, we first have to admit that the other team played better as a whole (played to win). We can't keep saying that we played well, hit the post, Gila unlucky again, again, again etc. As we can see from the series of consecutive draws we had in Serie A, our stale playing style and tactics culminated in a home game that we lost.

I have always had this idea that our midfield gets the most balance with Seedorf because he defends and attacks and he does both pretty good. Lately however, he looks so slow...that I don't even expect him to pass the ball in less then 3-4 seconds. Is he lazy to get himself in the open so he can actually play pay attention to where his teammates are be quick to get them the ball? Because it seemd today like he was always struggling with the ball and had to look around every time he got the ball. It took him forever to even make the simplest pass.

Inzaghi's form seems to have dipped as fast as it came after his long-term injury. I was so furious with him....I wished I could jump on the field and b!tch-smack him to tell him that he needs to look around if he is onside before making a run..........then again that is nothing new with him however on other occasions he would score after being in offside 100billion times and lately he doesn't. Both him and Gilardino missed some opportunities as they could have done better.

Nesta was good......but what was he doing on the first goal. I gues you can't blame the guy. No one is perfect and everyone will make mistakes. I seriously can not recall Nesta doing something like that ever before.
The second goal..........Dida Dida Dida. What more to say. He is one of the best keepers in the world........but the guy has a problem with shots as he never holds them. Even though he does good with palming them away as that one maybe couldn't have been held........but come on. They teach 10 year old keepers this rule......."WHEN YOU PUNCH....PUNCH TO THE SIDE, NEVER THE MIDDLE".

As of asking for Carlo's head?...come on. Be serious. We have to look at the fact that our team depends too much on Pirlo and Kaka. There is no more Shevchenko, there is no more younger explosive and healthy Cafu, and apperantly there is no more good Seedorf. Serginho is injured and we lack forwards so we are forced to play with 2 box strikers who can't create for crap. On the other hand we have injuries that are forcing Kaka to play every single freakin game............and when rough times come like for example we are down 1-0...........we have no attacking options. We needed an attacking option in midfield but the best we have at the time is Brocchi so that's who Carlo put in. Seedorf decides to play as slow as my grandma but what can Carlo do? Who to put in??? Gourcuff is injured and he is the ONLY offensive midfield substitution we have.
Where is Carlo's fault in this???? Some of you please tell me that!!
I don't mind seeing a change at the end of the season. Hopefully Lippi. But at this point of time.....there is no need for Carlo sack. It simply won't help us as it is not him who is at fault......but some of the players need to get their act together or simply be replaced.

I believe in this team as someone here mentioned it before. WE DO HAVE A WOLRD CLASS STARTING 11 that can play with any team in the world on any given day. Sometimes things will go wrong however and that is understandable (like today)... but that is where the back ups come in and that is where we are short or simply not good enough.

Our eleven starters:
1/ Dida needs to be replced, he is not singing anyway
2/ Cafu needs to be replced, he is too old
3/ Kalaz needs to be benched
4/ Nesta can start (but going down)
5/ Janku needs to be replaced
6/ Seedorf needs to be benched
7/ Gatuso is OK (but going down)
8/ Pirlo is OK
9/ Kaka is OK
10/ and 11/ 2 of out striker need to be replaced or benched.

Out of 11 only 4 are OK, how do we win things with this squad ?

i really now started laughing about the score because it is too ridiculous.. what a disgrace!

anyway, lets see what happens in chievo.. its been now 6 games in a row where we played 100% boring, predictable football and still another game where we couldn't score a goal. THERE IS A PROBLEM, WE CANT IGNORE IT. Bring Piazza. Bring Di Gennaro. FFS EVEN PUT FIORI IN ATTACK, I DONT GIVE A FLYING FK WHO YOU BRING, but just dont you see that what we are doing doesnt work? I dont want to see a Pippo/Gila partnership again, EVER.

Originally Posted by rt9

This is just ridiculous. Not just yesterday's result, but our play and results over the last 3-4 games or so. Somebody has to take responsibility. I dont think Carlo's necessarily to blame. As somebody has already mentioned, if you're given crap to work with, then how much can we really expect?

If the management wants to take credit for us being the most successful team in Europe (despite winning only 2 major trophies) over the past few years, then they also have to take criticism for GAMBLING on 35 year old Cafu, Seedorf, Inzaghi/Gila, RO and essentially the same midfield as 2003!!! Everyone know our team needed some freshening up over the summer. Everyone know we needed to replace our game-winning striker. BUt management decided to take their chances----I will never understand why. After pocketing a cool 30M for Sheva, the least we could have done is brought in some world class players---and IMO, Oliveira doesnt fit the bit. He should have come in for AMoroso, not for Shevchenko.

Capello has got his own style, but at least he has some ambition. Look what he has done with Real Madrid. They got Diarra (supposedly our transfer target), RVN, Reyes, Cannavaro, Emerson---all this while we pick up Oliveira and a young Gourcuff. This is just ridiculous. I am not one for buying players simply for the hell of it, but when you actually NEED them, why do we insist that our current players are good enough. How many more years is Cafu, Dida, Seedorf going to give us? And like someone said, what if Kaka gets injured? Then what?

Well done!!!I agree with you 100%!!!