Summer Mercato 2010

Originally Posted by Codino

It's crazy. Not one link all summer to this kid. We are "friendly" rivals when it comes to transfers so i dont see it as Impossible. But he most probably wants to start 100% of the time. Hence, only the Parma and Bari links...

Yeah. Here, nobody will replace Dinho in first team, even if you're playing very good, and even if you're Messi.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/cash-s...odolski-970561

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...laar-swap.html

http://www.oleole.com/blogs/the-ross...n-luis-fabiano

http://www.myiconsports.com/ac-milan...-keisuke-honda

Then there was the 20 million budget and BERLU promising a top signing , even tho we don't want a top signing well are not demanding one just snsible ones.

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2010/07/...himovic/26774/

And then this http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...einforcements-

Some teams like Liverpool know they have a limited budget some teams know the will alway's have a limited budget , Us Milan we don't know whats going we are linked with great players solid links but instead renew all the guy's who are 33 , 34 , 35 , 36 , 37 it's really depressing atm ...

Since no new rumors today....

Happy B-day Adriano Galliani, wish your bro Berlu will buy you a Honda for your birthday.................and i don`t mean a motorcycle.

Originally Posted by kastriot

happy B-day Adriano Galliani, Wish Your Bro Berlu Will Buy You A Honda For Your Birthday.................and I Don`t Mean A Motorcycle.

zing......

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Where di I say such a thing ? I asked you if you did ... because we all saw him during the WC, and yes, during this competition, he was very good. But we need to judge players on their season and not on one competition, especially when it is a competition with the NT and not the club. It's why I asked you if you watched him several times this season ?!

Second bold paragraph: do we disagree on the fact that we should keep these players ? No we don't ... I just said that when you say we should sell Gattuso to buy a more expensive player, it goes against what seem to do Galliani and co.

Favalli out, Yepes in.
Dida out, Amelia in.
No player out for moment, Papa in. But this one was a cheap deal and his salary is covered by the departure of Dida. And it was a needed player (not especially Papa, but a CD).

PS: If Thiago leaves, we'll have the player out for Papa ... but it's not something to hope nor expect !!

According to your theory, or the policy of Galliani's, 25 m euros player left, one 25 m euros player will arrive.

Regarding Boateng, i misunderstood you, mate, it was too late last night when i read your post, Sorry for it...

Bonera didnt leave, Kaladze didnt leave, Onyewu, Yepes, we already had many CD's, i think there was no need for Papa.

When Papa signed, Bonera, Onyewu and Kaladze is not needed, 4 CB's are more than enough. we have 3 more CB's compared to other squads.

Jankulovski, Oddo, 3 CB's are not needed, releasing them and not signing anyone instead their place, will drop the wages so much. for instance, for GK,
we have Abbiati, Amelia, thats enough. we signed Roma and if im not mistaken we are paying 2 m euros a year to him. How many times did Roma play last season? im saying this, we are wasting money on wrong signings, on wrong players when we need every cent of that money.

This is why our wages are too high. we have 3 more CB's, 2 more wing backs,
1 more GK e.t.c.

in the past, just remember, we had Stam, Maldini and Nesta, plus Costacurta for CB. Before Stam, Laursen was there. 4 CB's. There is no way we can waste money on 3 more CB's. Silva, Nesta, Papa and Yepes are more than enough.

We will have enough funds for signings if we have normal squad size, 4 CB's instead of 7-8, 3-4 WB instead of 5-6.

I don't think Galliani's system is one player out one player in I think thats all smoke and mirrors an illusion to use fans.They want to do thing's on the cheap , maybe that's not fair they want to do enonomically sensible thing's , but they are not doing that by extending Oddo Zambro Pippo Rino even Dinho it's delaying the inevitable which is that they are going to have to change the squad buy new players .I think deep down they are kicking themselves that they didnt invest wisely maybe 20 million on young players instead of 10 million on old players and 4 million a year on contracts.

I don't pay any attention to them because they are pathological bullsh1tters the both of them.What will happen in 2012 when these guy's are 36 37 will they renew again or spread 2 million over 2 years next summer ??? something is seriously wrong with them.I don't understand why the players are excepting these offers its going to destroy the club why not take the 4 million over one year and leave , because while it seems good in theory that they will pay 2 instead of 4 they are going to end up paying 4 anyway and have an awful team.Nobody wanted these guy's last year nobody wants them this year and certainly nobody will want them next year.

Now here http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/trans...t-former-coach is someone who is no longer tied to the club.He say's can't spend won't spend , did I expect signings absolutely not.He then say's fan's need to understand you can't just throw money out the window.We are not talking about throwing out of the window , but you need some investment smart we are begging for 5 million players now and trying to talk up a nobody in Papa because it's all we got he may turn out brilliant but atm he isn't anyone that people recognise.And how will this team go onto winning things again they are 5 years past there best and its been 3 year's since we even came close to winning something.I love Milan but Milan mgt are idiots.

Originally Posted by Jay Crisp

I don't think Galliani's system is one player out one player in I think thats all smoke and mirrors an illusion to use fans.They want to do thing's on the cheap , maybe that's not fair they want to do enonomically sensible thing's , but they are not doing that by extending Oddo Zambro Pippo Rino even Dinho it's delaying the inevitable which is that they are going to have to change the squad buy new players .I think deep down they are kicking themselves that they didnt invest wisely maybe 20 million on young players instead of 10 million on old players and 4 million a year on contracts.

I don't pay any attention to them because they are pathological bullsh1tters the both of them.What will happen in 2012 when these guy's are 36 37 will they renew again or spread 2 million over 2 years next summer ??? something is seriously wrong with them.I don't understand why the players are excepting these offers its going to destroy the club why not take the 4 million over one year and leave , because while it seems good in theory that they will pay 2 instead of 4 they are going to end up paying 4 anyway and have an awful team.Nobody wanted these guy's last year nobody wants them this year and certainly nobody will want them next year.

Jay

I totally get waht your saying,however

We are totally doomed, we have to pay these guys the 4 mil anyway.because nobody want`s them. What we do is give them 2 mil now, and have an opportunity to give them for free next year. if nobodu wants them and we don`t need them we can always rescind their contract and loose 2 mil. If we did it this year we`d loose 4. So we "make" them "work" for those 2 mil and next year let them go anyway.

Not that I`m happy about all this, but we should not look for mismanagement now, go back for that to see why they were given 4 mil contract in the frist place.

Have in mind that i`m talking with a pinch of optimism here. like u said it is still possible that galliani and and berlu plan to have them here till 2013 :S

We again switched the formation to 4-3-1-2, its not obvious if Ronaldinho can do well in that formation, because with Leo he failed at 4-3-1-2 at the start of the season. Yet we want to renew his contract until 2014. if Ronaldinho fails in 4-3-1-2 and signed until 2014? What will happen? we will keep useless Ronaldinho and pay 6 m euros a year to him until 2014. Typical small term plans and long term contracts.

if a club has economical problems, first thing they could do is reducing the squad size, reducing the wage bills. its anormal we have 3 more CB's for instance, we renewed Oddo's contract one more year, This players are old and injury prones, they are doing nothing and getting millions euros, What did Roma do? Nothing. but got 2 m euros from us.

We just cancel some things, Like Jay Crisp said, we will pay the same amount to Oddo, still have an awful team.

İntelligent way, release or sell or put them on sale Kaladze, Jankulovski, Oddo, Bonera, Onyewu, İnzaghi, Gattuso, Roma e.t.c we will have enough funds for 1 transfer, for example Honda, just sign Honda and increase quality players's number, or reduce the wage bill, it will help us financially so much.

Then second step, reducing salaries of some players such as Ambrosini, Pirlo, Seedorf
e.t.c. if a player has 3 year contract from 4 m euros a year, make it 2-3 m euros for 2 years.

Originally Posted by Rabia15

İntelligent way, release Kaladze, Jankulovski, Oddo, Bonera, Onyewu, İnzaghi, Gattuso, Roma e.t.c we will have enough funds for 1 transfer, for example Honda, just sign Honda and increase quality players's number, or reduce the wage bill, it will help us financially so much.

What are you talking about....

Releasing a player doesn`t mean you will save money!!!!!!If he earns 4 mil a year and has a contract valid for two years you`d be obliged to pay him 8 mil in order to release him. You will have to have mutual consent in order to let him go. And all of our players refused to do so.

Originally Posted by kastriot

What are you talking about....

Releasing a player doesn`t mean you will save money!!!!!!If he earns 4 mil a year and has a contract valid for two years you`d be obliged to pay him 8 mil in order to release him. You will have to have mutual consent in order to let him go. And all of our players refused to do so.

İnzaghi was out of contract, then we renewed, Gattuso has some buyers, he could have left, Jankulovski said that he would return to homeland this season, Kaladze is wanted by some russian clubs, im sure Bonera will attrack some club's attention. we just have Oddo.

it doesnt mean we have to mutual consent. Galatasaray signed Leo Franco, then they paid nothing to him and rescind his contract. They just let him to sign for Zaragoza for free. They can do rescind a contract without spending any money while we cant. Oddo is at Milan for years, he always said that he is Milanista, if a foreign can do for Galatasaray in his first year, why Oddo cant do it? cuz Galliani wants to keep them. thats all. if it was up to players, They would leave.

Oddo had 1 year, was earing 4 m euros(what they say in press), i remember Oddo was earning 2 m euros a year at first, Zambrotta was earning 4 m euros a year, when he signed he signed 4 year contract if im mistaken, its understandable if we renew his contract 2 years, with half of that money,
you are reducing the wage. yet Oddo case, is different. we had to pay Oddo, 4 m euros next season we will have to pay 2 m eruso to rescind his contract, in any case,we will pay that 4 m euros to him,
there is no way... Oddo will get that money but still we will have awful squad.

Originally Posted by Rabia15

İnzaghi was out of contract, then we renewed, Gattuso has some buyers, he could have left, Jankulovski said that he would return to homeland this season, Kaladze is wanted by some russian clubs, im sure Bonera will attrack some club's attention. we just have Oddo.

it doesnt mean we have to mutual consent. Galatasaray signed Leo Franco, then they paid nothing to him and rescind his contract. They just let him to sign for Zaragoza for free. They can do rescind a contract without spending any money while we cant. Oddo is at Milan for years, he always said that he is Milanista, if a foreign can do for Galatasaray in his first year, why Oddo cant do it? cuz Galliani wants to keep them. thats all. if it was up to players, They would leave.

Oddo had 1 year, was earing 4 m euros(what they say in press), i remember Oddo was earning 2 m euros a year at first, Zambrotta was earning 4 m euros a year, when he signed he signed 4 year contract if im mistaken, its understandable if we renew his contract 2 years, with half of that money,
you are reducing the wage. yet Oddo case, is different. we had to pay Oddo, 4 m euros next season we will have to pay 2 m eruso to rescind his contract, in any case,we will pay that 4 m euros to him,
there is no way... Oddo will get that money but still we will have awful squad.

All the guys you mentioned are big IF`s...the truth is nobody is stupid enough to pay them 4 mil annum and nobody wanted them period. We are stuck with them, Berlu wants them out more then we do, he is the one paying useless "champions".

I agree with you that renewing Pippo was a mistake,when we had Zigoni and Paloschi to warm the bench. Kaladze and Gattuso except playing for MIlan have lives in MIlano. Families and Business(kala and gattuso own chain of restaurants), and simple as that they have valid contracts guaranteeing tehm 4 -5 mil annum, why would they want to leave. Same goes for Janku and Zambrota (they both are good alternatives,and I believe they should stay at least for a year)

Oddo too has played for us from his young age, meaning he has lived here fror a longer period. Has a valid contract doesn`t want to leave.

Originally Posted by kastriot

What are you talking about....

Releasing a player doesn`t mean you will save money!!!!!!If he earns 4 mil a year and has a contract valid for two years you`d be obliged to pay him 8 mil in order to release him. You will have to have mutual consent in order to let him go. And all of our players refused to do so.

If a player earn 4M a year, Milan must pay 8M thanks to the 50% tax in Italy.

So release players like: Oddo, Kala, Janku will help a lot because they only had one year remain then.

If Oddo earns 4M, we mustn't pay all 4M to release him but still save 4M for tax.

But now, Oddo was renewed. Kala will be endured another year, maybe Janku, too.

However...

Release all 3 players and lost about 10M is not wise, but renew them could be worse. The hope for them at least play some solid matches is very very small. Except for the 3, other cases must be carefully thought about.

I don't think Roma earn 2M a year, < 1M, IMO. Pippo's wage must be small, too. Onyewu & Bonera have long contract and are somewhat useful, like Zambrotta.

I don't want to bash the management as it is a difficult problem. And when Juventus can't release the like of Zebina, Gygera,... there must be some bigger reason. Sometimes, saving 10M in tax is not the best way to solve a problem.

Even in Football Manager, if the release is more than 2M, you must leave the player/coach alone.

ronaldinho gets a contract till 2014.... Dear god, will they ever learn????

Unless Im mistaken if you earn 4 million a year 50% tax is 2 million not 4 million unless you pay 100% tax.

No if we want the player to get 4 mil we have to pay 8 mil because 50% going to tax.