Winter Mercato

the guy is just being "good" to English football after last night's embarrassment.
There is nothing that guarantees he will end his career at Milan as Milan themselves might be willing to let him go when he is 30+ years old one day. Then of course a move to the EPL would be an option.

What he said is more a hypothetical statement than anything of substance and I don't think it should be interpreted as if he's willing to leave Milan and leave us in the very near future.

As for CR at Milan, the guy needs to take his head out of his butt, put a lead lid on that ego of his and top it all, a VAST improvement in his interpretation of the phrase "team play" if he is to even make the 1st team. He may be 22yo but Kaka at his age was not far behind the Kaka we saw yesterday and single handedly was dismantling big teams in the CL ... something CR seems to be only capable of doint with teams of the caliber of Everton, Fulham and the likes ... no offense to them.

All in all, Kaka was just being nice to him

here is the Sun link for the Terry rumour:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...200412,00.html

Even the Inter fans agree with me when I say Kaka is not your average player. He doesn't do stupid things your average Brazilian player does, like partying late nights. He is genuinely a good person, I think he is just being friendly when saying that.

Last week he said something like Arsenal dont play like Brazilians, its more like Manchester United. He is used saying that as a friendly gesture.

i have no problem with CR comments. What bothers me are the comments about Premiership. They seem pretty familiar to me, from about ten months ago...and I don't like it at all.

Originally Posted by Stitch

i have no problem with CR comments. What bothers me are the comments about Premiership. They seem pretty familiar to me, from about ten months ago...and I don't like it at all.

what happened 10 months ago, or rather the result of that EPL adventure our former star had, should be yet another reason to relax.

I am sure that Sheva would duck walk from London to Milan if that was gonna turn the clock back ... we have to look ahead in the future, though, the good memories are best left in the past

Kaka' is only 25 years old, and there is no chance Milan will sell him. Just relax, in the next 4 years he is going nowhere... About Terry...well, that would have been something special seeing Terry-Nesta in front of Buffon But I doubt Ambamovich will sell him captain and best player.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

He may be 22yo but Kaka at his age was not far behind the Kaka we saw yesterday and single handedly was dismantling big teams in the CL ... something CR seems to be only capable of doint with teams of the caliber of Everton, Fulham and the likes ... no offense to them.

Actually, Kaka at 22 was far behind the Kaka of today. If i'm not wrong , he was the same age as CR is now, in his first european season.
Back then Kaka wasn't even close to top10 players in the world, like CR is now.
Kaka was an exciting extra talent , but that was it. He wasn't doing things he does now and he wasn't a leader.

He certanly wasn't single handedly dismantling big teams in CL. He had a great match against Deportivo in Milano , where he scored 2 goals (CR did the same, at the same stage, against Roma), but that was it.

CR is being hyped a lot, but i still concider him to be a better player than Kaka was at 22 !
Give the guy some time

I'm gone at work Zlat. So if you wanna reply don't expect my answer for the next 4 hours

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Actually, Kaka at 22 was far behind the Kaka of today. If i'm not wrong , he was the same age as CR is now, in his first european season.
Back then Kaka wasn't even close to top10 players in the world, like CR is now.
Kaka was an exciting extra talent , but that was it. He wasn't doing things he does now and he wasn't a leader.

He certanly wasn't single handedly dismantling big teams in CL. He had a great match against Deportivo in Milano , where he scored 2 goals (CR did the same, at the same stage, against Roma), but that was it.

CR is being hyped a lot, but i still concider him to be a better player than Kaka was at 22 !
Give the guy some time

I'm gone at work Zlat. So if you wanna reply don't expect my answer for the next 4 hours

CR is more hype than substance ... his stature of one of the world's best comes very much from the effect of his "attractive" dancing style of play that many fans fall for - a lot like Ronaldinho, with the only dif that Dinho actually showed up in big games and not just when dead meat like Everton, Fulham, West Ham was in the way ...

And CR is playing his trade in one of the more open championships where stifling the opposition and closing down every space in defense isn't seen as the only way to play football.
I could only imagine what CR would be like in a defensive league like Serie A given how useless and helpless he is when he has no space to make his runs and operate more or less freely with the ball but has 10 defenders gunning for his ankles for 90 min, instead.

when it comes to being there for big games, what goes for Dinho goes for Kaka too - he is where he is supposed to be in big and small games alike, in the epicenter of things pulling strings for his team in midfield and attack and every single ball going thru him before it reaches the forwards.

His game at 22 - with no experience in European football at all (unlike CR who has been at ManU and in touch with top EU football since he was 18) - had much more substance and final product than CR could hope for even when he is 28 yo if he continues developing in this fashion.

kaka's game is about simplicity and efficiency and even at 22 yo he was a team player, not an attention seeking individual ... in fact, the only reason why, until this year, Kaka has somehow remained in the shadows of Dinho first and more recently C. Ronaldo is the lack of often pointless trickery that wows the not-so-shrude and easily impressionable portion of the fans worldwide, which I am sorry to say is by far the largest of the lot.

it took kaka ousting Dinho as the premiere face of the brazil NT and taking his #10 jersey and a footballing lesson in team work and efficiency and pure class to CR and his ManU that now, finally, the fans are starting to see him as something more than one of the better players around and possible the best out there ... If, however, kaka was proned to the effective brand of football CR and Dinho worship, I am sure that would have happened several years earlier, not that it matters to Milan.

granted, back then he was not as finely finished a product as he is now (although I bet he can/should still improve) but still there is no base for comparison between him at 22 and CR at 22 when it comes to styles of play and approach to a player's role on the field as part of a TEAM of 11 players.

All in all, I think how a player approaches a game - meaning whether he puts himself in service to his team or is just another talented glory hunter - comes down to the type of person you are, to the heart that beats under that jersey ... and these are things that I am not sure people learn.
As one of the British tabloids said after the game - Kaka was an example to CR in humility and what it means to be a down to earth person.

For me the only way CR could shake off that one-trick-pony image and take that extra big step to being a great player, not just an OT fan favorite, is to change as a person in his approach to the game ... IMO, that's his problem, not the lack of talent and ability, which is obviously there.

Ronaldo's problem is that he cares more about his hair style than about the score on the field... I dont even want to loose time on explaining why and how is KAka' greater than C. Ronaldo even when Kaka' was 22. This is simply something this man has in himself, humility and precision, brilliance!

C.Ronaldo is NOT A LEADER in United, ok, so Kaka' also wasnt a leader in Milan when he was 22, but how could he be when he played with players like Maldini, Cafu, Sheva, Crespo, Pippo, Seedorf, Pirlo, Gattuso....all older and playing for Milan for years..?

That Kaka' is better than Ronaldo can be seen from off a plain and not only from the stands!! Only English journalists and people that dont understand football needed this two games to convince them that Kaka' is one of a kind and a best player in the world!

FORZA GOLDEN BOY RICKY!!

Originally Posted by zlatanov

CR is more hype than substance ... his stature of one of the world's best comes very much from the effect of his "attractive" dancing style of play that many fans fall for - a lot like Ronaldinho, with the only dif that Dinho actually showed up in big games and not just when dead meat like Everton, Fulham, West Ham was in the way ...

And CR is playing his trade in one of the more open championships where stifling the opposition and closing down every space in defense isn't seen as the only way to play football.
I could only imagine what CR would be like in a defensive league like Serie A given how useless and helpless he is when he has no space to make his runs and operate more or less freely with the ball but has 10 defenders gunning for his ankles for 90 min, instead.

when it comes to being there for big games, what goes for Dinho goes for Kaka too - he is where he is supposed to be in big and small games alike, in the epicenter of things pulling strings for his team in midfield and attack and every single ball going thru him before it reaches the forwards.

His game at 22 - with no experience in European football at all (unlike CR who has been at ManU and in touch with top EU football since he was 18) - had much more substance and final product than CR could hope for even when he is 28 yo if he continues developing in this fashion.

kaka's game is about simplicity and efficiency and even at 22 yo he was a team player, not an attention seeking individual ... in fact, the only reason why, until this year, Kaka has somehow remained in the shadows of Dinho first and more recently C. Ronaldo is the lack of often pointless trickery that wows the not-so-shrude and easily impressionable portion of the fans worldwide, which I am sorry to say is by far the largest of the lot.

it took kaka ousting Dinho as the premiere face of the brazil NT and taking his #10 jersey and a footballing lesson in team work and efficiency and pure class to CR and his ManU that now, finally, the fans are starting to see him as something more than one of the better players around and possible the best out there ... If, however, kaka was proned to the effective brand of football CR and Dinho worship, I am sure that would have happened several years earlier, not that it matters to Milan.

granted, back then he was not as finely finished a product as he is now (although I bet he can/should still improve) but still there is no base for comparison between him at 22 and CR at 22 when it comes to styles of play and approach to a player's role on the field as part of a TEAM of 11 players.

All in all, I think how a player approaches a game - meaning whether he puts himself in service to his team or is just another talented glory hunter - comes down to the type of person you are, to the heart that beats under that jersey ... and these are things that I am not sure people learn.
As one of the British tabloids said after the game - Kaka was an example to CR in humility and what it means to be a down to earth person.

For me the only way CR could shake off that one-trick-pony image and take that extra big step to being a great player, not just an OT fan favorite, is to change as a person in his approach to the game ... IMO, that's his problem, not the lack of talent and ability, which is obviously there.

Easy there guys...gotta be the devil's advocate on this one....not that anyone should mind anyhow

First of all Kaka is better than CR7. I think that is pretty obvious. However he isn't head and shoulders better....just better. But Let's not forget that CR7 has his good qualities too

Speed :Cr7 > Kaka albeit marginally. Kaka doesn't look fast but he is nad when you can blow past a guy like Messi (WITH THE BALL) then you're closer to a corvette than a camry. CR7 looks faster than he truly is because he runs on his toes.
Vision : KAKA > CR7...when Kaka gets Seedorf's vision then he would be the most dangerous player ever....
Overall Technique: CR7> Kaka. I am only giving CR7 the edge because he takes and scores a lot of free-kicks. CR7 is also equally capable with both feet. Actually this is more Carlo's fault than KAKA
CR7 is better with both feet as well.
Versatility: Kaka>>>>> CR7. On the most crucial night of Milan's season Ancelotti decides that Kaka should strike....and the kid works even more magic..... Fergie tried to turn CR7 into a right sided forward....and we all know how that went
Dribbling Kaka> Cr7 This might surprise you initially but consider this...who had more dribbling tricks....Denilson or Zidane? But whose dribbling was more effective?? I rest my case.
Shooting: KAKA by a mile. if you don't agree with this you have NEVER SEEN KAKA

So I agree that Kaka> CR7...but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. If we lost instead of won last night...my opinion would have reamined the same (as it does about Gila )

Originally Posted by drucurl

Easy there guys...gotta be the devil's advocate on this one....not that anyone should mind anyhow

First of all Kaka is better than CR7. I think that is pretty obvious. However he isn't head and shoulders better....just better. But Let's not forget that CR7 has his good qualities too

Speed :Cr7 > Kaka albeit marginally. Kaka doesn't look fast but he is nad when you can blow past a guy like Messi (WITH THE BALL) then you're closer to a corvette than a camry. CR7 looks faster than he truly is because he runs on his toes.
Vision : KAKA > CR7...when Kaka gets Seedorf's vision then he would be the most dangerous player ever....
Overall Technique: CR7> Kaka. I am only giving CR7 the edge because he takes and scores a lot of free-kicks. CR7 is also equally capable with both feet. Actually this is more Carlo's fault than KAKA
CR7 is better with both feet as well.
Versatility: Kaka>>>>> CR7. On the most crucial night of Milan's season Ancelotti decides that Kaka should strike....and the kid works even more magic..... Fergie tried to turn CR7 into a right sided forward....and we all know how that went
Dribbling Kaka> Cr7 This might surprise you initially but consider this...who had more dribbling tricks....Denilson or Zidane? But whose dribbling was more effective?? I rest my case.
Shooting: KAKA by a mile. if you don't agree with this you have NEVER SEEN KAKA

So I agree that Kaka> CR7...but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. If we lost instead of won last night...my opinion would have reamined the same (as it does about Gila )

CR is not technically better than Kaka', his game is all about speed and stepovers. That works against most teams but put a player who can really tackle on him and he doesn't have the guile or ability to get away. Kaka' is the best player in the World at turning with the ball at his feet, he has subtle feints and a dramatic change of direction, his range of passing is vastly superior to CRs, his movement in and around the penalty area is also light years ahead and he's a better finisher. It's these subtle qualities that make Kaka' a better player, the ability to make time stand still and dictate a game. The fact that CR scores free kicks doesn't make him better technically.

Originally Posted by drucurl

Easy there guys...gotta be the devil's advocate on this one....not that anyone should mind anyhow

First of all Kaka is better than CR7. I think that is pretty obvious. However he isn't head and shoulders better....just better. But Let's not forget that CR7 has his good qualities too

well, then mention them

Speed :Cr7 > Kaka albeit marginally. Kaka doesn't look fast but he is nad when you can blow past a guy like Messi (WITH THE BALL) then you're closer to a corvette than a camry. CR7 looks faster than he truly is because he runs on his toes.

Cr has a funny and very wasteful, energy-wise way of running ... as you said, he looks much faster than he really is because he moves his legs very quickly but inefficiently.

Overall Technique: CR7> Kaka. I am only giving CR7 the edge because he takes and scores a lot of free-kicks. CR7 is also equally capable with both feet. Actually this is more Carlo's fault than KAKA
CR7 is better with both feet as well.

Kaka can score with both feet too - actually, VdS knows a thing or two about that
In the air kaka is also better than CR, I think.
As for free kicks, Ronaldo is an average fk taker ... once every 30 or so attampts he manages to kick the ball in that "special" way of his but honestly it's nothing to salivate over.
As for kaka, i am sure he would be great at this too, especially from longer range given his strong and very precise shot, but in Milan it's seedorf and Pirlo who are the fk takers and that's that, for now.

Versatility: Kaka>>>>> CR7. On the most crucial night of Milan's season Ancelotti decides that Kaka should strike....and the kid works even more magic..... Fergie tried to turn CR7 into a right sided forward....and we all know how that went
Dribbling Kaka> Cr7 This might surprise you initially but consider this...who had more dribbling tricks....Denilson or Zidane? But whose dribbling was more effective?? I rest my case.
Shooting: KAKA by a mile. if you don't agree with this you have NEVER SEEN KAKA

So I agree that Kaka> CR7...but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. If we lost instead of won last night...my opinion would have reamined the same (as it does about Gila )

all in all, I don't see you saying anything dif from what was said already ... and yeah, Kaka is better by a mile because better means above all what your contribution to your team is and what the final product of your play is and not how many stepovers/game you can do before even your own fans have enough of it and start booing you

Originally Posted by Mehdi

CR is not technically better than Kaka', his game is all about speed and stepovers. That works against most teams but put a player who can really tackle on him and he doesn't have the guile or ability to get away. Kaka' is the best player in the World at turning with the ball at his feet, he has subtle feints and a dramatic change of direction, his range of passing is vastly superior to CRs, his movement in and around the penalty area is also light years ahead and he's a better finisher. It's these subtle qualities that make Kaka' a better player, the ability to make time stand still and dictate a game. The fact that CR scores free kicks doesn't make him better technically.

well, I guess this says it all. All one needs is take a look at the range these players have in what Mehdi mentioned and it should be more than clear how much closer to being a complete player Kaka is and how limited CR is in the way he can influence a game.
When he is allowed space on the wings and time on the ball CR is great on his day, but cut that off and he is as useless as a bench player to the cause of his team.

Originally Posted by drucurl

Easy there guys...gotta be the devil's advocate on this one....not that anyone should mind anyhow

First of all Kaka is better than CR7. I think that is pretty obvious. However he isn't head and shoulders better....just better. But Let's not forget that CR7 has his good qualities too

Speed :Cr7 > Kaka albeit marginally. Kaka doesn't look fast but he is nad when you can blow past a guy like Messi (WITH THE BALL) then you're closer to a corvette than a camry. CR7 looks faster than he truly is because he runs on his toes.
Vision : KAKA > CR7...when Kaka gets Seedorf's vision then he would be the most dangerous player ever....
Overall Technique: CR7> Kaka. I am only giving CR7 the edge because he takes and scores a lot of free-kicks. CR7 is also equally capable with both feet. Actually this is more Carlo's fault than KAKA
CR7 is better with both feet as well.
Versatility: Kaka>>>>> CR7. On the most crucial night of Milan's season Ancelotti decides that Kaka should strike....and the kid works even more magic..... Fergie tried to turn CR7 into a right sided forward....and we all know how that went
Dribbling Kaka> Cr7 This might surprise you initially but consider this...who had more dribbling tricks....Denilson or Zidane? But whose dribbling was more effective?? I rest my case.
Shooting: KAKA by a mile. if you don't agree with this you have NEVER SEEN KAKA

So I agree that Kaka> CR7...but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. If we lost instead of won last night...my opinion would have reamined the same (as it does about Gila )

I disagree with one of those. I'd say it's more like...

Technique: Kaka
The rest: agreed.

However, that's only comparing their technical abilities. Kaka's biggest strength is his ability to dominate games and be the driving force of the team. CRonaldo still doesn't have that edge and quality to his game, and is still not producing at the highest level. Kaka is also a lot harder to stop than Ronaldo, whose game is actually surprisingly easy to read and can be stopped dead with some smart tactical decisions. That was what happened in the tie.

Don't get me wrong, Ronaldo is good, but no way is he at the level Kaka is, nor would I say he's amongst the very best in the world. I agree with Zlatanov on this case, that if Ronaldo continues this progress, he'll never be able to reach those heights.

dont mean to interupt the cr7-kaka debate, but :

Reports in England suggest that Milan are lining up a massive bid for Chelsea skipper John Terry.

The Rossoneri are eager to take advantage of the fact that the player is in a contract dispute with the Blues, who have refused to grant him the same £121,000 a week handed out to Andriy Shevchenko and Michael Ballack.

The Sun reports that the London club are unwilling to improve their last offer to the defender, telling him that he can take it or leave it.

According to the English newspaper, Milan have given a top agent the task of negotiating a deal for the England captain and have asked Chelsea to name their price.

“We have been monitoring Terry and his situation with Chelsea and believe he would be an excellent and valuable player for Milan,” stated a senior Milan source.

The player’s contract with Chelsea expires in 2009 and he is now considering his options, after chief executive Peter Kenyon insisted the club could not offer any more than it already had.

Terry is currently valued at £25m, but could be available for a fee of only £10m next summer due to his precarious contract situation.

Barcelona and Inter are also thought to be interested in the player’s services and are expected to join the race to sign him if he were allowed to leave Stamford Bridge