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I guess scoring 2 in the wc final vs germany, 3 against an excellent manu, repeatadly scoring against milan at their defensive zenith, most of the derby matches eg. Argentina, barca, real etc ain't worth squat right. since if can't euro he Scored tons there too

Ok give me a minute to dream about these two line up as our first and second choice defences

---------------Buffon------------------
Alves----Nesta-----Terry-----Zambrotta



-----------------Dida--------------------
Oddo----Bonera-----Maldini-----Jankulovski


Ok, back to reality

I know people here rave on ( ahh phoenix nights ) about Alex, but Terry is a step above. Neither are particularly fast but Terry is just an absolute rock and makes up for speed with good positioning. This doesn't mean i wouldn't take Alex but given a choice, Terry is the better defender i think. The amount of times you see him throwing himself about and putting his body on the line is unbelievable, you don't get many more commited than him.

The only question is will that commitment transfer to Milan, seeing as he's to Chelsea what Gattuso is to Milan?

Originally Posted by mrki

If this is the way you look at things than we can say that no one EVER outplayed any great defence.

Not outplay them on his own while his 9 teammates just sit and watch. Of course noone can do that.
Outplay a great defence with a team play, but our hero to be the one who gives most of the problems to the defence.
And great defences were outplayed this way....many times !

Wasn't Cannavaro-Thuram-Zambrotta a great defence ? How did Henry ( hmm, actually he did outplay a great defence) outplay them ?
Wasn't Baresi-Maldini- Desailly a great defence ? How did Zidane humiliate them when Juve won 1:6 ?
Wasn't Cafu-Nesta-Maldini-Gattuso great ? How did Valeron play games with them in La Coruna ?


And no , Kaka didn't outplay Vieira-Dacourt ( Cambiasso didn't play, my mistake). For 50 minutes Milan had only one single chance ( in 1st minute) and was 3:0 down. Kaka couldn't create anything, wasn't able to make a good assist and didn't find himself in chance to score. He was completely shut down until Materazzi got sent off.

Both Terry and Alex are great defenders and one of that will must join our team. It seems that will be Terry with about 15 million euros.

Originally Posted by Tony29.

Not outplay them on his own while his 9 teammates just sit and watch. Of course noone can do that.
Outplay a great defence with a team play, but our hero to be the one who gives most of the problems to the defence.
And great defences were outplayed this way....many times !

Wasn't Cannavaro-Thuram-Zambrotta a great defence ? How did Henry ( hmm, actually he did outplay a great defence) outplay them ?
Wasn't Baresi-Maldini- Desailly a great defence ? How did Zidane humiliate them when Juve won 1:6 ?
Wasn't Cafu-Nesta-Maldini-Gattuso great ? How did Valeron play games with them in La Coruna ?


And no , Kaka didn't outplay Vieira-Dacourt ( Cambiasso didn't play, my mistake). For 50 minutes Milan had only one single chance ( in 1st minute) and was 3:0 down. Kaka couldn't create anything, wasn't able to make a good assist and didn't find himself in chance to score. He was completely shut down until Materazzi got sent off.

Tony id just like to add to your beloved juve side back when Zidane was there but was it me or wasnt it Del Piero the main star at juve never ZZ, i know Zidane went onto better things in spain to say kaka has not outplayed any real mean defence is a joke hes outplayed sides like Bayern, Liverpool Lyon, Inter, Juve (dont you remember 3-1) Man Utd he even did to barca but puyol just hacks him down everytime he gets the ball dont you worry he will go onto being better then ZZ though i already think he is

Originally Posted by Milan_Mad

Tony id just like to add to your beloved juve side back when Zidane was there but was it me or wasnt it Del Piero the main star at juve never ZZ, i know Zidane went onto better things in spain to say kaka has not outplayed any real mean defence is a joke hes outplayed sides like Bayern, Liverpool Lyon, Inter, Juve (dont you remember 3-1) Man Utd he even did to barca but puyol just hacks him down everytime he gets the ball dont you worry he will go onto being better then ZZ though i already think he is

I was talking about a particular match and Del Piero didn't play at all on that match !

As for the rest of your post, i already said what i had to say, i won't repeat.

Tony is smart enough not to fight me on the ronaldo issue I see

Originally Posted by drucurl

I guess scoring 2 in the wc final vs germany, 3 against an excellent manu, repeatadly scoring against milan at their defensive zenith, most of the derby matches eg. Argentina, barca, real etc ain't worth squat right. since if can't euro he Scored tons there too

I can't fight this record. Just like you can't fight me on Zidane issue and Ronaldo can't beat Zidane when we're talking about their influence when trophies were being won.
Zidane also scored 3 goals in 2 wc finals, 1 decider in CL final, 1 goal in WC semifinal, 1 in EC semifinal ..... and Zidane was a midfielder, not even a striker.
And he was team leader and best player when WC was won, when CL was won, when EC was won, when scudetti were won, when La Liga was won.

Hats off to Ronnie but he comes second after Zidane and he'll lose even the second place to Kaka sooner or later !

Milan has extended Cafu's contract with one more year:

http://www.channel4.com/sport/footba...lia/may4p.html

I am sure Jim is liking it

Maybe Ronaldo will lose his 2nd place to Kaka' as you say Tony, but Zidane will loose his own place also soon....

Originally Posted by Tony29.

I can't fight this record. Just like you can't fight me on Zidane issue and Ronaldo can't beat Zidane when we're talking about their influence when trophies were being won.
Zidane also scored 3 goals in 2 wc finals, 1 decider in CL final, 1 goal in WC semifinal, 1 in EC semifinal ..... and Zidane was a midfielder, not even a striker.
And he was team leader and best player when WC was won, when CL was won, when EC was won, when scudetti were won, when La Liga was won.

Hats off to Ronnie but he comes second after Zidane and he'll lose even the second place to Kaka sooner or later !

First of all I think its unfair that you refer to Zidane's scoring in the finals like he did something big.....1) the penalty was based on a clear dive and he didn't even dive to get it 2) he sabotaged his entire team with his temper...which more than cancelled out th goal if you asked me Zidane Never truly raped an entire tournament like Ronaldo did in 02 and almost did in 98. I remember he played well in 98 but I remember the rave reviews going mainly to Ronaldo. In 98 EVERY team was petrified of Roanldo. In 07 Zidane was probably at his most dominant in the WC I have ever seen him because he really did own Brazil and Spain....but then again these countries are hardly known for their tight defences. The only player in my lifetime who I think ever singlehahdedly gangbanged a whole tournament was Maradonna. But When you have players like Malouda, Makalele, Thuram, Henry, Ribery, Trezuget, Viera AND Saha- world class players in every position..not just a top heavy attack of unmotivated players like Brazil 07- you can do pretty much anything you want

Kaka is great.....brilliant..... but Ronaldo is a hard act to follow. By the time Ronaldo was Kaka's age he already won the WOPY twice.....and he was clearly the winner (except when he beat Batigol) each time he won IMHO. As a Milan fan I'd vote for Kaka any day...but if I were more openminded I'd see that Ronaldinho, Messi, CR7 and Rooney aren't far behind.

Comparing Zidan to Ronaldo is like

Comparing Maldini to Bramble.

Originally Posted by Milancelotti

Comparing Zidan to Ronaldo is like

Comparing Maldini to Bramble.

You really don't want to get me started on this. All I'll do is write some reminders (Tony29 you're right I am stubborn ) :
1)Ronaldo is 30 and won the WOPY same no of times as a retired (35) Zidane
2)Ronaldo won TWO world cups Zidane won one.
3)Despite France winning 98 ronaldo was arguably the best player
4)Ronaldo is the highest WC goalscorer ever
5)Ronaldo was a superstar WHEREVER he want..../Zidane was relatively unknown at Monaco

If you think Zidane is better than Ronaldo that's fine. Just refrain from disrespecting him

Anyways back to the transfers....couldn't we just get Giovanni DoSantos and forget about Ronaldinho......the kid is FANTASTIC!! and would surely come MUCH cheaper. Ronaldinho is already a Barcelona legend......let's make some legends fo our own the way we did with sheva and Kaka

[quote=drucurl]5)Ronaldo was a superstar WHEREVER he want..../Zidane was relatively unknown to the same level at Monaco QUOTE] Ooops sorry I meant Bordeaux naturally

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