AC Milan make offer for Betis striker Oliveira

Hype is for good or bad an unescapable thing nowadays, since we live more and more on a world entirely dominated by marketing, La Société du spectacle, as Guy Debord used to name it.

Originally Posted by hwmook

I am sure he is not talking about you. Do we really have to mention names? I believe he is talking about the usual gang and you do know who they are, don't you?

No, i honestly don't know who the usual gang is.

To be honest i wouldn't care if he or anyone else for that matter was or wasn't talking about me, it wouldn't bother me at all.

wow... people keep talkin' up our Milan lab & how it helped Crespo & could help Ronaldo rediscover his form... but that same Milan lab cannot make Oliveira a better player... interestin'... boohoo... go play championship manager...

what gets me is how alot of people believe Milan lab will help every troubled/injury prone player, like it's some miracle cure. It doesn't work for everyone. Just like not every rough diamond/loss of form type player we get will be rejuvenated ala Pirlo, Seedorf, etc.

Both these things don't work all the time unfortunately and it's not right to assume they will.

wouldnt exactly say the lab got back crespos form, it was the Milan staff and coaches that got his confidence back! not a fitness thing.. if there is a worry with Oliveira's knee then they have to decide whats best! Common guys you think its worth spending like 10 mill on a player that will be injured all season!

That is rubbish. Chelsea have never ever tracked him. They only got in when we were officially in talks. When everywhere is talking about us getting kaka, only then Chelsea try to take a shortcut by going after the player we were interested. That's all, Chelsea didn't look at Kaka before that. Also, FYI, Milan was already tracking at Kaka 2 years before we signed him. None of the european teams are even slightly interested and we were already looking at him. In facts there were already rumours of him arriving 1.5 years before we actually sign him. So nobody even know a sh*t about Kaka when we were tracking him so does it mean he isn't good? There wasn't even any other major clubs linked with him before we go after him and juve was even laughing at his name so does that mean he isn't good?

This whole thing about hype=good, no. of clubs linked with=how good are all nothing but nonsense. I would only judge the player based on his performances for us. Oliveira has got quite a record and i hope he does play well for us.

^er...er FYI Inter was tracking Kaka as well and the mere fact that Chelsea wanted Kaka @ some point means he was special.

What causes ratings? Well many things, but what interests real football fans the most is ability, performance and potential. Any club buying a player gets them for one or more of these.
Are you going to tell me that a player who has been 1) had a history of serious knee injuries and 2) a moderately good scorer over the years in perhaps the easiest league for strikers is to be brought in to the most violent and tactical league in Europe?

When Inter brought Ronaldo he had injury problems too, but there was a difference:
1) He was younger 2)He showed he can top the charts in any and all leagues he has been with 3) He already won World player of the year. He repaid their transfer money by scoring a boatload of goals when fit and helping them win some rare silverware (uefa cup) Do you honestly think Ricardo Olivera can repeat this?

Ronaldo just scored three goals in the WC, depsite critics, bad infighting in the brazil camp AND being unfit. To give you an idea of hie performance, Henry, $heva AND Crespo all scored three as well. Meanwhile Ricardo Oliviera couldn't make the team due to injury. Ronaldo at 21 booted off other legends on the brazil team like Romario Edmundo and Bebeto. Olivera has been the 3rd/4th choice striker.

Of course Ronaldo is ~4 years older than Ricardo Oliviera, but then again Crespo is ~4 years older than Owen.....who would you rather have?

the milan lab is not owned by Dexter, so that is can work miracles on people. It can help you get back to WHO YOU WERE QUICKLY, but cannot turn you into Maradonna.
Otherwise we'd buy somebody cheap like Heskey and get the lab to turn him into MVB

Milan lab isn't 100% successful, there will be some players who just can't benefit from it.

According Calciomercato.it, L’attaccante brasiliano Ricardo Oliveira, ieri ha sostenuto le visite mediche a Milanello, ed avendole superate brillantemente, oggi si attendeva solo l’ufficialità del passaggio del giocatore dal Betis al Milan...

and for those of us who can't speak Italian ?

The Brazilian attacker Ricardo Oliviera has sustained a medical visit to Milanello, was super and brilliant, his attendance seals officially the passage between Betis and Milan...

well thats what it looks like anyway

pretty close, Steza ... only in the end it says that "today is expected only the official confirmation of his transfer from Betis to Milan"
Basically, they count him for a Milan player already ... but I would rather hear/read this on www.acmilan.com

Originally Posted by mrki

Rick, we sold Shevchenko and bought OLIVEIRA!!! If you cant see something wrong in there you have a problem. yes,yes, Im pesimistic...luckily for you, you are not.

there are still 4 days; including today; to go buddy ... besides optimism , i think you must have faith in Milan.. they already promised us 'a surprise signing' means they will bring us 'surprise signing' and that's by 31st Aug...

Originally Posted by hwmook

That is rubbish. Chelsea have never ever tracked him. They only got in when we were officially in talks. When everywhere is talking about us getting kaka, only then Chelsea try to take a shortcut by going after the player we were interested. That's all, Chelsea didn't look at Kaka before that. Also, FYI, Milan was already tracking at Kaka 2 years before we signed him. None of the european teams are even slightly interested and we were already looking at him. In facts there were already rumours of him arriving 1.5 years before we actually sign him. So nobody even know a sh*t about Kaka when we were tracking him so does it mean he isn't good? There wasn't even any other major clubs linked with him before we go after him and juve was even laughing at his name so does that mean he isn't good?

This whole thing about hype=good, no. of clubs linked with=how good are all nothing but nonsense. I would only judge the player based on his performances for us. Oliveira has got quite a record and i hope he does play well for us.

Hwmook, I'm sorry to say this, but what YOU are saying is rubbish. Kaka has been tracked by a number of European clubs for many years before he eventually signed for us. He was NOT an unknown when he came to Europe. We were just fortunate that with Leonardo and his relationship to Sao Paulo, we were able to secure Kaka's signature for a very reasonable fee. Now, I can guarantee you that when we signed him, we had no idea that he would turn out to be as phenomenal as he has. In fact, nobody in Europe could have imagined the impact he has had in his first year in the serie A. If so, I can guarantee you that many other clubs would have shown persistent interest and Sao Paulo would never have let him leave for such a nominal fee. It is one of those things that happen in football---you take a calculated risk on a player and you either strike gold, or the player simply fades away and is sold to another club. With Kaka, we struck gold---some credit goes to us and our scouts, but I think most of it is probably luck and fate. We took calculated risks on many other players who havent quite worked out---look at Javi Moreno, Cosmin Contra, Jens Lehmann, Martin Laursen, and more recently Marek Jankulosvki, who through a combination of injury and lack of first team opportunity has not repaid his transfer fee.

As for your second point, yes, team performance is the most important thing. But dont forget, we are in 2006, not 1986. These days hype is also very important. Marketing is also very important. Filling stadium seats is also very important. Securing good TV contracts is also very important. This is why clubs hire marketing people to help "hype" them up and promote them. This is why it is important that we not simply only win, but to win by playing good attractive football. And this is also why there is an importance to have "high profile" players to lift the interest and image of the club internationally. If we signed Ronaldinho today, for instance, I can guarantee you that our TV coverage would increase, our attendances would increase, marketing opportunities would increase, and the "profile" of the team as a whole would increase. I'm not saying we should sign a squad full of high profile players, I'm simply saying that we need to have an appropriate mix of "squad" players and "big name" players. ANd unfortunately, at present, we have more "squad" players. A high profile arrival is sure to boost enthusiasm and excitement before the season and increase the profile of our club. What's wrong with that?

Kaka is Milan good move and at the same time he had a good decision to Milan where he can almost immediately play a starter at the expense of Rui Costa. RM and Chelsea will never be smart enough to sign young and promising players, they simply want famous ones, top classed ones.