Giandomenico Mesto

i see what your saying mk18 and i kinda of agree, i would like a little more cover for the wing backs though, our worst preformances often conincide with their worst and pancaro and cafu are certainly not as long term as we would like. It is also nice to see a new face, it injects confidence into the supporters and team, i think sometimes it can be worth that much. I personally think Rooney for man u is a terrible signing, too much, not good enough or mature enough yet his reputation is instilling man u fans (who mostly being english adore him) and the team with a new self belief. he's only played two games and one was a draw but the team has had a great morale boost because of this.

Originally Posted by mk18

if we should go for some1 other than him it should be gilardino.

sorry but i disagree
we hv far too much striker...indeed 4 of our strikers now are quite similar in style...gila is typical chance taker, not maker.

supporting strikers are what we need.

Then go for Torres? It's fishy AM owe us more than 20m simply for players we dumped out.

BTW, Mesto ISN'T a new name linked to Milan, it's going to be a year long rumor soon as far as I know. And 2,2m is more than acceptable. Remember how much Milan paid for Donati & Zenoni, though the average prices were three times to the current market?

Originally Posted by Jonathan Chan

sorry but i disagree
we hv far too much striker...indeed 4 of our strikers now are quite similar in style...gila is typical chance taker, not maker.

supporting strikers are what we need.

actually our strikers are well balanced now. Sheva can make goals for himself and his teammates. JDT also played as a supporting striker for denmark so its not a problem for him to play a bit behind. pippo and crespo are the fox in the box players for us so we are actually well covered. and we are playing with kaka as support too so our strikers can play more forward. gila? where is the form from last season. is he going to be a one season wonder(last season that is) ?

Originally Posted by hwmook

actually our strikers are well balanced now.

I agree, with the exception of Sheva they may not be in optimal form, but there are definately a variety of styles. When in form I actually like to see Crespo and JDT play together in some games.

Originally Posted by hwmook

actually our strikers are well balanced now. Sheva can make goals for himself and his teammates. JDT also played as a supporting striker for denmark so its not a problem for him to play a bit behind. pippo and crespo are the fox in the box players for us so we are actually well covered. and we are playing with kaka as support too so our strikers can play more forward. gila? where is the form from last season. is he going to be a one season wonder(last season that is) ?

give me a break man, what gilardino did last season was more than enough to prove himself as italys future striker. and im not only talking about the serieA performances, but what about the olympics and the euro u-23 tournament??? ... have u even heard about what happened to parma over the summer??? dont u think its alot easier when ur being paid the money the club owes u? and when ur team actually has a good defence? u cant blame gila on parmas performance... hes a great striker and u know it, and besides if crespos poor form continues i think silvio is smart enough to know that he aint signing hernan on a permanent deal.

@Jonathan Chan

i know bayman u are calling for a 'Veiria' for ages, but come on mate, our midfield plays differently from the traditionally ideal one.

We used to think if a midfield contain
1.a Ball winner in centre(e.g. Vieria)
2.a playmaker up front (e.g. Zidane)
3.two hard working wingers(e.g. lungberg, vicente)

then everything would be okay.

Vicente a "hardworking midfielder"? Wtf? This guys skills are only marginally below Kaka, if at all. And Baraja scores more goals a season than our 3 central midfielders combined. So much about being "too defensive"




our DM isn't a ball winner, however it doesn't mean that we need a baraja or Alberda there...instead our pitbull is on the right side of midfield, namely Gattuso.


That explains why Ambro can't find his place at all, he;s no playmaker nor he's a right-sided player...he suits Bayman's midfield, not Milan's.

The reason why Ambro doesn't play is simple:
He is not good enough. That is why I don't want him in our starting lineup either.
Ambro and Pirlo are not even in the Italian NT (a NT known for notorious midfield problems). As a top team who wants to DOMINATE Europe we should have higher demands, shouldn't we?
Imo, Ambrosini and Pirlo are the most overrated Milan player by Milan fans.
Cafu and Serginho (in his prime) the most underrated.



And please don;t claim that our midfield is poor, just remind you last year's games against Roma(twice), 1st round of CL against Depor, the two games with Juve etc. All these games we simply OUTCLASSED them in midfield. Notwithstanding we almost always dominate midfield against smaller teams.

In the end we lost against Depor. And Juve had an abysmal midfield last season (apart from Nedved), Romas was only Emerson and nothing else.



Once our midifielders regain their top form and fitness level like that of mid 03-04 season, midfield will once again be our strongest link, providing the players start MOVING with and without ball. Just look at Arsenal and Valencia's midfields, it;s not Vieria or Baraja that made them great, it's the continual movements of their midfielders over the pitch and made their midfield great

To have continual movement you need players who do it. Carlos Valderama, Riquelme weren't (aren't) exactly known for it either. And so is Pirlo.

http://sports.virgilio.it/it/cmc/cal...cmc_73336.html

A Moratti piace Vicente, mancino del Valencia
07 10 2004

L'Inter è sempre alla ricerca di un esterno sinistro. Sfumato Cesar in estate, a Moratti piace molto Vicente, talento mancino del Valencia di Claudio Ranieri. Il Valencia chiede 22 milioni, Moratti potrebbe sacrificare Kily Gonzalez.

Honestly I'd prefer Vicente for 22m than Torres for over 40.

Originally Posted by Bayman

@Jonathan Chan

i know bayman u are calling for a 'Veiria' for ages, but come on mate, our midfield plays differently from the traditionally ideal one.

We used to think if a midfield contain
1.a Ball winner in centre(e.g. Vieria)
2.a playmaker up front (e.g. Zidane)
3.two hard working wingers(e.g. lungberg, vicente)

then everything would be okay.

Vicente a "hardworking midfielder"? Wtf? This guys skills are only marginally below Kaka, if at all. And Baraja scores more goals a season than our 3 central midfielders combined. So much about being "too defensive"




our DM isn't a ball winner, however it doesn't mean that we need a baraja or Alberda there...instead our pitbull is on the right side of midfield, namely Gattuso.


That explains why Ambro can't find his place at all, he;s no playmaker nor he's a right-sided player...he suits Bayman's midfield, not Milan's.

The reason why Ambro doesn't play is simple:
He is not good enough. That is why I don't want him in our starting lineup either.
Ambro and Pirlo are not even in the Italian NT (a NT known for notorious midfield problems). As a top team who wants to DOMINATE Europe we should have higher demands, shouldn't we?
Imo, Ambrosini and Pirlo are the most overrated Milan player by Milan fans.
Cafu and Serginho (in his prime) the most underrated.



And please don;t claim that our midfield is poor, just remind you last year's games against Roma(twice), 1st round of CL against Depor, the two games with Juve etc. All these games we simply OUTCLASSED them in midfield. Notwithstanding we almost always dominate midfield against smaller teams.

In the end we lost against Depor. And Juve had an abysmal midfield last season (apart from Nedved), Romas was only Emerson and nothing else.



Once our midifielders regain their top form and fitness level like that of mid 03-04 season, midfield will once again be our strongest link, providing the players start MOVING with and without ball. Just look at Arsenal and Valencia's midfields, it;s not Vieria or Baraja that made them great, it's the continual movements of their midfielders over the pitch and made their midfield great

To have continual movement you need players who do it. Carlos Valderama, Riquelme weren't (aren't) exactly known for it either. And so is Pirlo.

why all this negativism? i don't understand why you aren't satisfied with our players..why looking always to other teams? i would never swap Pirlo with Baraja, simply because we wouldn't play like we do with different players, esp Pirlo.
Valencia and Arsenal have great midfields but at the end of the day what they won more than us in the last years and with those players? The uefa cup? We can use it to keep umbrellas in via Turati, nearby 6 champions!

It's the same story, the grass of the neighbour is always greener (spelled?).
I tell you i'm pleased with our guys and don't want other superstars, firslty because i love these players and i owe them great throphies, then because it's not sure we would perform with other players, instead it's a certainty with the likes of Pirlo and Gattuso we won a CL and all the other throphies in 2 years. If you aren't happy go and support Valencia or Arsenal. We can or want to improve and i can understand it but frankly your post was too negative

The thing is we have the best striker in the world (Sheva), the 2nd best playmaker (Kaka; Dinho is the best), the best central defense, the best right back in the world.
Why not up the rest to the same standard?

If we'd integrate Valenicas midfield:
Shevchenko
Vicente Kaka (Aimar not needed) Seedorf
Albeda(Gattuso) Baraja
Pancaro Maldini Nesta Cafu
Dida

I'm 100% sure, this team would walk undefeated all over Europe with incredible ease.

Thing is that I fear once Sheva gets in a smal crisis we drop out of Europe again.
I've seen it all before when a great team suddenly turned worse (Milan 1997) once the true world class pillars retire/fade away (Baresi, Tassotti, Donadoni, Savicevic... back then). And when the rest is mostly just "good" (and was carried by the world class players before and looked better than they actually are) but not highest world class you are in for a rude awakening at some point of time. Take away Cafu and Shevchenko and that Milan team loses 35% of its quality.


PS: I never said Arsenal have a great midfield - they don't. Pires is as overrated as it gets (same as the king of all chokers). Chelsea have a great midfield, but lack strikers.

Originally Posted by Bayman

2nd best playmaker (Kaka; Dinho is the best)

i disagree :p seriously i think kaka is a better player, especially in italy. Dinho hasn't nearly tactical awareness of kaka and i think kaka is a more natural goalscorer.

Originally Posted by Bayman

@Jonathan Chan

i know bayman u are calling for a 'Veiria' for ages, but come on mate, our midfield plays differently from the traditionally ideal one.

We used to think if a midfield contain
1.a Ball winner in centre(e.g. Vieria)
2.a playmaker up front (e.g. Zidane)
3.two hard working wingers(e.g. lungberg, vicente)

then everything would be okay.

Vicente a "hardworking midfielder"? Wtf? This guys skills are only marginally below Kaka, if at all. And Baraja scores more goals a season than our 3 central midfielders combined. So much about being "too defensive"




our DM isn't a ball winner, however it doesn't mean that we need a baraja or Alberda there...instead our pitbull is on the right side of midfield, namely Gattuso.


That explains why Ambro can't find his place at all, he;s no playmaker nor he's a right-sided player...he suits Bayman's midfield, not Milan's.

The reason why Ambro doesn't play is simple:
He is not good enough. That is why I don't want him in our starting lineup either.
Ambro and Pirlo are not even in the Italian NT (a NT known for notorious midfield problems). As a top team who wants to DOMINATE Europe we should have higher demands, shouldn't we?
Imo, Ambrosini and Pirlo are the most overrated Milan player by Milan fans.
Cafu and Serginho (in his prime) the most underrated.



And please don;t claim that our midfield is poor, just remind you last year's games against Roma(twice), 1st round of CL against Depor, the two games with Juve etc. All these games we simply OUTCLASSED them in midfield. Notwithstanding we almost always dominate midfield against smaller teams.

In the end we lost against Depor. And Juve had an abysmal midfield last season (apart from Nedved), Romas was only Emerson and nothing else.



Once our midifielders regain their top form and fitness level like that of mid 03-04 season, midfield will once again be our strongest link, providing the players start MOVING with and without ball. Just look at Arsenal and Valencia's midfields, it;s not Vieria or Baraja that made them great, it's the continual movements of their midfielders over the pitch and made their midfield great

To have continual movement you need players who do it. Carlos Valderama, Riquelme weren't (aren't) exactly known for it either. And so is Pirlo.

whats with this man??? u are negative by all means... i dont get it, why do u hate pirlo so much, dont say u dont hate him, because u do, u critisize him in every post, funny how ur signature talks about the importance of passing when pirlo is one of the best passers today! i dont get it, u had a fight with pirlo one day or something??? ... and since when is pirlo not on the NT??? just how much 'italia' do u watch???

oh and define hardworking, because if u dont think vicente is hardworking then u and i are from different planets man. being hardworking doesnt mean u cant have skills, vicente has both and is one of the ebst in both which is why i believe he deserves this award. yeah and u think baraja scores so many goals count the no. of times vicente saved valencias ass in all competitions, how often do u find a left winger score so much goals?? and set up equally as much??

PS: be honest and tell us what u felt when pirlo smacked that rocket vs chievo in the san siro to give us a vital point when we didnt deserve it, or what about those countless PKs that gave us much needed points?? he just never misses them does he? thanks god for that! lets also count the numerous chips to let sheva/pippo roam free in the oppositions area and score with ease. pirlo is a magician, he plays well the team does great, hes the maestro of the game and when we lost to chievo 2 seasons ago in verona only del neri knew how to stop us, the answer was pirlo, and it worked because that was our first loss of the season.

Originally Posted by meazza

i disagree :p seriously i think kaka is a better player, especially in italy. Dinho hasn't nearly tactical awareness of kaka and i think kaka is a more natural goalscorer.

Word.
I have to say that Kaka is very important to our team... more than Dinho... I remember most of the time, Kaka is the one who starts counter attack by bringing the ball to the opponent's half. The way he dribbles is different from most playmakers (i.e. Rui Costa) He hardly over dribbles, and he's a efficient player imo. Especially in a team like Milan where Seedorf, Pirlo tend to hold the ball around, we don't really want another guy do the same thing. So, I think Kaka style really gives milan another attacking option. Anyway, this is how i feel about the Dinho vs Kaka discussion. Sorry for going off topic.

Originally Posted by Jafed

Reggina midfielder Giandomenico Mesto is set to join AC Milan.

An agreement is understood to have been struck between the two clubs, with Mesto joining Milan for a £2.2 million fee.

"The dream of every player is to play for AC Milan," said Mesto yesterday.

Reggina president Lillo Foti played down the reports yesterday, joking that Juventus could be upset if the deal had indeed been struck.

"If I say that Milan have been promised Mesto, then I think I will have upset my friend Luciano Moggi at Juve," he said.

from tribalfootball.com

anyone who got any info on this guy???

in the reggina - milan game, he was the only one that looked scary from the reggina side. he has good crossinng abilities and almost created the equalizing goal that the striker missed from 1 foot out.

Originally Posted by Bayman

@Jonathan Chan
Vicente a "hardworking midfielder"? Wtf? This guys skills are only marginally below Kaka, if at all. And Baraja scores more goals a season than our 3 central midfielders combined. So much about being "too defensive"





That explains why Ambro can't find his place at all, he;s no playmaker nor he's a right-sided player...he suits Bayman's midfield, not Milan's.[/b]

The reason why Ambro doesn't play is simple:
He is not good enough. That is why I don't want him in our starting lineup either.


Ambro and Pirlo are not even in the Italian NT (a NT known for notorious midfield problems). As a top team who wants to DOMINATE Europe we should have higher demands, shouldn't we?
Imo, Ambrosini and Pirlo are the most overrated Milan player by Milan fans.
Cafu and Serginho (in his prime) the most underrated.


In the end we lost against Depor. And Juve had an abysmal midfield last season (apart from Nedved), Romas was only Emerson and nothing else.



To have continual movement you need players who do it. Carlos Valderama, Riquelme weren't (aren't) exactly known for it either. And so is Pirlo.

1. i am not saying vicente isn;t talented so why you react so violently there?(by the way it seems you like valencia more than milan... ) i am saying besides talented, vicente is also v.hardworking.

e.g. seedorf is also very talented but when compared with vicente, the spaniard clearly has a better workrate right?


2. Ambro a bad player? okay let;s wait and see if he really departs next summer to some team that seriously need DM like real madrid, roma(ambro is at least one class better than dacourt), i'm sure he'd be as good as emerson.


3.baggio was also not in NT for long...was it a bad player? so corradi is a gd player as he's in NT right?

4.who underrate cafu and serginho by the way? the former is the captain of 5th WC winner. while serginho is one of the best paid players in milan(40000 pounds per week as i recall?), he's silvio's favourtie player alongside sheva(impressed by serginho's 6:0 brilliance, so it's logical that mr silvio is generous to him.)

5.our whole team look disorganised and tired against depor(0:4 match), it's not only the fault of midfield, as whole team played far below par. even arsenal or valencia midfields don't dominate 100% of their games right? i still consider that defeat as shocking, mysterious and heart-breaking ...but bayman you shouldn't single put the midifield as the only scapegoat...even nesta had an awful display that night so nesta is bad too? definitely not.

6.emerson suits capello's game plan, not ours. just recall our midfield back in the days of don fabio.
Desailly-Albertini.
according to your logic bayman, then Desailly was a better midfielder than Pirlo since he can tackle and he's running a lot right?
every team and coach has their tactics. Capello has his style, so does Lippi, Del Neri, Mancini and Ancelotti. In our team we just have a defensive playmaker not a Baraja NOR emerson there, they can't playmake...


7.pirlo needs not be running crazily, as our game plan requires gattuso and seedorf(when in form) do the running for pirlo. everyone knows this.

8.to hv continual movement in midfield we need FIT midfielders there. since carlo doesn't rotate his midfield, it's almost certain pirlo, seedorf and gattuso have to play some games with a tired body...thus i demand more chances for dhorasso and ambro in latter games so that our 1st team midfielders can be sharper.