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Old 09-01-2005, 12:40   #16

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we will end up with either crespo or gila I don't think we'll have them both
Crespo will probably send back, I heard milan didn't get an buy option on him and his wage is astronomical, even now he is partly paid by chelsea
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Old 09-01-2005, 12:56   #17

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we will end up with either crespo or gila I don't think we'll have them both
Crespo will probably send back, I heard milan didn't get an buy option on him and his wage is astronomical, even now he is partly paid by chelsea
you are right, we don't have a purchase option on crespo, and his wage CURRENTLY is huge. but if he delivers, I am quite sure that he will stay. don't forget, he is one of ancelotti's dearest boys. even when he was so out of shape, ancelotti never lost any hope on him. let alone he is scoring like crazy.

giliardino is an investment for the future, and we very likely will include him in the squad. according to Gio, we have been watching him since he was 15, then i do think he will join us.

i would, IN THE BEST SCENARIO IHMO, love to see five attackers remain. why not, berlusconi IS STILL OUR BOSS.
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Old 09-01-2005, 16:31   #18

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Let me share my thought with ya:

Ok. If we going to keep 5 strikers, then I think Tomasson will be used as an attacking midfielder. I think he played in that slot before and I don't see the reason why not move him there (Of course, that means Rui won't be seeing any time on the field). So my thought is: how much are we going to spend to get both Gilardino and Crespo to stay in milan? Gilardino probably worth 15-20 mil (Correct me if i am wrong). So, to reduce that amount of money, I believe milan would send a couple guys to Parma (if they get to stay in serie A) - most probably either Kutuzov or Borriello. so the deal will be something like 10 mil + player. For Crespo, hack, i think if there is any chance to negotiate, we might get the loan extended for another year or so. But if we were to buy him, i don't think Chelsea needs Tomasson nor Kaladze. I don't see they will be adding any of other players. So, based on what has happened in chelsea, if they don't need their players, they will sell it in a rather reasonable price - I guess under 10 mil. So with 20 mil and a player, we get two top class strikers and I think it's possible.
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Old 10-01-2005, 14:31   #19

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Assuming we get Gila, there are 3 players that will definitely not leave: Shev, Pippo... and Gila of course. And as I think 5 strikers are 1 too many, either Hernan or JDT could leave. Hernan seems to be a better option to stay right now, but I think JDT still has a lot to show us this season. I guess it will all come down to who is more consistent from here until the end of the season.
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Old 10-01-2005, 15:02   #20

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1)First Scenario: Crespo is sent back regardless of his season's performances: he costs too much (unlikely scenario if you ask me)

Consequences: we keep Gila , Sheva, Tomasson and Inzaghi
In fact, Crespo has only just started to show his worth for Milan. He has a tough job ahead of him to keep the performances going. So unless he is consistent for the rest of the season, he could well be sent back to Chelsea.

But, I hear that he wnts to stay in Italy. Maybe we can persudae him to take a little bit of a wage cut. He gets what he wants, a future with a top team in Italy and we can keep him for a reasonable price. He will remeber what happened to Rivaldo because of his reluctance to take a pay cut.

We do not have a buy option but Chelsea would be looking to offload him. He hasn't been the best in England. And since we are one of the few clubs who can give Chelsea a decent price, I think we can negotiate a reasonable price for his transfer.

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2)Second Scenario: Crespos stays, and Milan , instead of splashing moneys, gives Chelsea a very good player like Kaladze or Tomasson..It's a sacrifice but we wouldn't splash moneys

Consequences: we keep Shevchenko, Gila, Crespo and one between Inzaghi and Tomasson
Chelsea have an abundance of left-backs, and Tomasson has already flopped in England with Newcastle. So this scenario will not work.

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1)First Scenario: Inzaghi is sold; HUGELY UNLIKELY He's already started to talk about his future inside the society and his feeling is incredible with our management. His market worth is not that impressive now, because he's almost 32 and his wage is big big big, so hardly can see him sold away.
If we get to keep a CONSISTENT Crespo, and go for Gilardino, this scenario is likely. However, I think Carletto will prefer to keep Inzaghi instead of Tomasson.

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2)Second Scenario: Tomasson is sold: RATHER LIKELY because his market worth is very high, almost 15 millions, because he's rather young (28 more or less) and he's a model professionist, already proven in the toughest league in Europe.
This is the most likely scenario, but I do not think we'll get 15 million for him. More like 10 million euros or so, because he is not a regular starter. And since the clubs that are reported to be interested in him also have a number of first-choice strikers already available at their club.

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FINAL THOUGHTS: I think we'll confirm Crespo and due to Gila's arrival, and Sheva's position, we'll have to make an hard choice: selling Inzaghi or Tomasson, and Tomasson is the one who'll leave.
A sorry situation, but I agree, is perhaps the most likely one.
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Old 10-01-2005, 15:23   #21

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I've heard that, assuming Crespo keeps to be consistent and gets confirmed, that he will half his wage.
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Old 10-01-2005, 22:41   #22

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In fact, Crespo has only just started to show his worth for Milan. He has a tough job ahead of him to keep the performances going. So unless he is consistent for the rest of the season, he could well be sent back to Chelsea.

But, I hear that he wnts to stay in Italy. Maybe we can persudae him to take a little bit of a wage cut. He gets what he wants, a future with a top team in Italy and we can keep him for a reasonable price. He will remeber what happened to Rivaldo because of his reluctance to take a pay cut.

We do not have a buy option but Chelsea would be looking to offload him. He hasn't been the best in England. And since we are one of the few clubs who can give Chelsea a decent price, I think we can negotiate a reasonable price for his transfer.



Chelsea have an abundance of left-backs, and Tomasson has already flopped in England with Newcastle. So this scenario will not work.



If we get to keep a CONSISTENT Crespo, and go for Gilardino, this scenario is likely. However, I think Carletto will prefer to keep Inzaghi instead of Tomasson.



This is the most likely scenario, but I do not think we'll get 15 million for him. More like 10 million euros or so, because he is not a regular starter. And since the clubs that are reported to be interested in him also have a number of first-choice strikers already available at their club.



A sorry situation, but I agree, is perhaps the most likely one.
Other untouchables are Nesta and Kaka . . . I think Rui will be gone . . . we have no need for him if we were to use Kaka and Tomasson in the attacking mid fielder role, plus loosing Rui Costas contract will help pay for the contract of others unless we end up having to pay part of his contract with another team in order for them to take him off our hands . . . however I would rather just keep him if there were the case
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Old 11-01-2005, 00:45   #23

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maybe fiorentina would wan Rui back?

In any case, i dun see tomasson leaving if he starts to perform..neither do i see the rest of the strikers going elsewhere. 5 strikers for a hectic campaign is not a problem IMO. So what is the problem now? Players not going to be satisfied being on the bench? or we cannot afford to pay for their salaries? do we REALLY have to offload any of them? Unless they r unhappy, the more the merrier isnt it?
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Old 11-01-2005, 06:16   #24

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I just wonder one thing: How sure is the Gila's situation? We are discussing the issues in awaythat sounds like 'Gila was already at Milan'
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Old 11-01-2005, 13:38   #25

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So what is the problem now? Players not going to be satisfied being on the bench? or we cannot afford to pay for their salaries? do we REALLY have to offload any of them? Unless they r unhappy, the more the merrier isnt it?
Tomasson is at what people describe "the peak of a footballer's career". I don't think he'd be willing to fight out for a place with 4 top strikers. He might, but it seems highly unlikely.
And Inzaghi always wants to be in action. We all know he doesn't enjoy being a sub at all.

In an ideal situation, I think we'd be able to hold on to five top quality strikers. But I don't think it will happen.
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Old 12-01-2005, 00:37   #26

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So, how about putting robinho to that list ?
Dont wanna think twice before letting 1 or 2 strikers go..?

With JDT, Crespo, Pippo or Gila (officially confirmed?), where's the space for attacking midfielder or trequarista or second striker ?
Next year would be great time for rui to go out..
We need 1 player for his position..
Robinho would be good choice (like cafu said).

or Ancelloti want to leave player composition in the last 3 years..(with 2 or more attacking midfielder/trequarista)
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So, how about putting robinho to that list ?
Robinho would be good choice (like cafu said).
I agree, we need a backup for Kaka, if Rui does leave at the end of the season. Which is quite likely.

However I do not think Robinho is the answer. We do have a good network for scouting players in South America. But since none of our scouts have been too excited about Robinho, I don't think he'd be that good a player in Serie A.
Robinho could well prove to be a transfer turkey like Riquelme or Diego (at Porto). Who may be good, but are nothing special.
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:23   #28

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if Rui does leave at the end of the season. Which is quite likely.
it isn't IMO.
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