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Old 26-05-2005, 11:41   #16

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I think UEFA are quite right on not letting Liverpool defend their title. They had to finish fourth and they didn't. Tough luck Liverpool enjoy the UEFA cup next season.
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Old 26-05-2005, 11:56   #17

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Well I think they should be in it, the winners deserve it, but I'm not going to go campaigning for it. If they don't get in they can go **** themselves.
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Old 26-05-2005, 12:00   #18

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The FA is being hypocritical, IMO. UEFA sets an upper limit of four participants per country, but it's the leagues that decide how those places get allocated. All the FA has to do is tell Everton to drop down to the UEFA Cup and send Liverpool into CL qualifying, but it's too gutless.
Its more difficult than that, Everton are in the Champions League by right and would lose out massively if they dont get in through loss of potential earnings and the level of players they can attract to the club.

I do agree that Liverpool should be allowed to defend their title though. I've seen the Welsh Champions have offered to stage a playoff between themselves and Liverpool and i think this is a good idea.

TNS are champions of Wales but they arent serious challengers for the trophy, they only want to face a big team to give them a financial boost and a present for their supporters. So they would be happy even if they lost to Liverpool, who would then take their place in the first knockout round and have to earn their way into the Champions League proper.
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Old 26-05-2005, 12:01   #19

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Well I think they should be in it, the winners deserve it, but I'm not going to go campaigning for it. If they don't get in they can go **** themselves.
Right what game would of been better Liverpool vs AC Milan, or Chelsea Vs AC Milan? I think Liverpool where lucky to get there.
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Old 26-05-2005, 12:06   #20

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Right what game would of been better Liverpool vs AC Milan, or Chelsea Vs AC Milan? I think Liverpool where lucky to get there.
to be fair mate, from a neutrals point of view I'm pretty sure a 6 goal thriller would have been hard to beat. The alternative to Liverpool is Everton anyway, it's weaker tournament for Liverpools exclusion. The winners should defend it but I'll be quite happy if they get screwed over and can't.

They probably won't even be able to win the UEFA.
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Old 26-05-2005, 12:46   #21

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liverpool should be allowed to defend title simple as that.

real madrid were allowed in 2001 when they only finished 5th. the 4th placed team was nt which should happen again
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Old 26-05-2005, 14:38   #22

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I know you dislike Liverpool Nadir, but you come up with some boll*cks. How can you be lucky over 15 matches ? In the Premiership, they've been awful. One moment they can sweep aside Arsenal, next minute lose to Southampton and look very bad. But in Europe they've coped with everything that was thrown at them. How can you talk about luck when Milan had alot of luck in beating PSV ? Why would people want Chelsea in the final when they could hardly muster a shot over 180 minutes against Liverpool ? Chelsea v Milan would have been boring, at least Liverpool knew they had to go for it. You might not like them, but credit where it's due. They got to the final because they beat the teams in front of them and that's the end of it.

What happens to them now is anyone's guess. Maybe they won't get to another final for 10 years or maybe they'll win everything next year. How can you be sure they can't win the league when it looked like they didn't have a hope of winning the CL ? Nothing in football is certain. For all we know Milan might not make the final again for 5 or 10 years, just like the period between the loss to Ajax and the win against Juventus.

They have the basis of a good team, they don't have many star players, just gerrard, carragher and alonso. The likes of cisse, morientes, riise and hyppia are good squad players. But if Benitez can turn traore and biscan into compotent players, then what he could do with skilled players will be amazing ! Liverpool have money, they will attract better players, it's as simple as that. Maybe they won't be world beaters but Benitez will turn them closer to being a dominant force given enough time.

As a Milan and Liverpool supporter this past week has been the absolute worst for me, i can't celebrate a win when it was against a club i love. But i don't think they should be allowed into the competition, no special arrangements should be made because once you do it once, other teams will want to follow suit.
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Old 26-05-2005, 15:15   #23

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i would like to see liverpool defend their title but at the same time id feel very sorry for everton, they got 4th spot and they deserve to be there... put urself in their position, liverpool are in the state of re-birth, everton need money badly and by going to europe they can acheive that plus they can come back to being a british force they once were... therefore i think liverpool should settle for the UEFA cup in the meantime... it might be for their own good maybe they can win the double and then they can show their true worth in the CL the following season
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Old 26-05-2005, 17:49   #24

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I know you dislike Liverpool Nadir, but you come up with some boll*cks. How can you be lucky over 15 matches ? In the Premiership, they've been awful. One moment they can sweep aside Arsenal, next minute lose to Southampton and look very bad. But in Europe they've coped with everything that was thrown at them. How can you talk about luck when Milan had alot of luck in beating PSV ? Why would people want Chelsea in the final when they could hardly muster a shot over 180 minutes against Liverpool ? Chelsea v Milan would have been boring, at least Liverpool knew they had to go for it. You might not like them, but credit where it's due. They got to the final because they beat the teams in front of them and that's the end of it.
i don't dislike liverpool at all. i just think they were lucky. i have nothing against them. it's just an opinion from the liverpool games that i saw. i have a right to an opinion you know
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Old 26-05-2005, 23:24   #25
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I've always like liverpool...but they SHOULDN't be able to defend their title. Every year is different, and you must earn the right to play by preforming in your domestic campaign. Liverpool came up short and didn't earn a sport. Those are the rules. They're there for a reason. UEFA is right not to go back on their rules, and Everton should not lose their spot. Everton earned it, why should it be taken away from them? I highly doubt it will be taken from Everton. They would go crazy, and I'm sure alot of other english teams would also with the theory of...what's to stop this from happening to me next time? It would set a bad precedent in that if you do great/win the CL, but don't finish top 4 EPL...a top 4 team can be bumped. That would be terrible and would be a victory for no one but Liverpool.
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Old 27-05-2005, 01:31   #26

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bad luck for liverpool...but rules are rules.
maybe they can give them Inter's spot.
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Old 27-05-2005, 02:10   #27

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Liverpool were lucky to win CL this year but they won it fair and they deserve to defend it.It would be the first time in any sport that champions won't defend their tactics.
But,I think UEFA is looking more into the future.Greece are European champions and there is real possibility they won't qualify for EURO2008.If they let Liverpool in CL next year then Greece should get automatic place in EURO2008.
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Old 27-05-2005, 02:39   #28
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It would be better for the game if Liverpool were allowed to defend their trophy. they would provide the champions league with more than Everton can.
who shares my vision of Everton making the group stages, getting thumped by a team like Barcelona, extra fixtures taking a toll on the squad and finishing 12th-15th.

but rules are rules and as much as it would be good for Liverpool to defend their title, they can't.
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Old 27-05-2005, 03:46   #29

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They should concentrate on at least challenging the top three in England, not to forget to qualify for europe before Everton.
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Old 27-05-2005, 06:20   #30

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The FA is being hypocritical, IMO. UEFA sets an upper limit of four participants per country, but it's the leagues that decide how those places get allocated. All the FA has to do is tell Everton to drop down to the UEFA Cup and send Liverpool into CL qualifying, but it's too gutless.
It will also be unfair to Everton.

Times have changed. Rules are set. Again, Liverpool KNEW what was at stake. They know they need to finish top 4 to be in CL. And they didnt. Its their own undoing really.
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