SANT

SANT · 10-01-2006, 15:14

Don't worry my friend... as Debs said, some of us can, some of us can't... but we should do whatever is in our hands...

I know some "veterans" in this forum are only 14-15 years old, if not less... it's difficult for them... but those who can, look at it as sacrificing a couple of burgers

Debs, just in case anybody is wondering if there's a way to know how the money is being handled, we should find a way to make it transparent... for all to see... we can
open a section where everyone can see like a "Statement" of the contributions, and hopefully see how much we exceed the maintenance costs...

also, any way to make this autosufficient? without sacrificing the essence of the forum? selling, advertising, I don't know...

Mehdi · 10-01-2006, 19:42

I'm not sure what you're paying for hosting but if you need $100+ every month to keep the site going you're paying too much and I would suggesting switching to a different host - I use netpivotal.

Sign up to google adsense and place the banners on as many pages as possible. That should bring in $100 every month.

SANT · 10-01-2006, 20:01

Now that's a plan... Debs, Rezag, what would be the down side of that? if any...

Reza · 10-01-2006, 20:10

Forums with increasing membership will experience 'too many connections' errors (and therefore go offline frequently..) if the server is populated by (many) other sites. In fact those that were here in early 2003 saw that happening as we were briefly on a sub-$100 dollar plan
The cost that we have here is due to being on our own dedicated server where we have total control over everything from the database to the security of the site. Like I have posted before $155 is not the only price out there, we might find something at $120 for example and the only difference as far as contributions go is that they would go even further (or allow us to do more if everybody agrees, like added features for example)

If the site's future is secured I will again look actively at cheaper options, as I had few months ago

SANT · 10-01-2006, 20:16

Rezag, I sent you my contribution... c'mon guys, show some love to MM

Reza · 10-01-2006, 20:32

Thank you SANT.
Its up to everybody to decide if they are willing and can afford it. Will do our best to keep costs low because its good for everybody not just newer contributors

Mehdi · 10-01-2006, 21:07

With the amount of traffic this site gets I don't know why you need a dedicated server.

mk18 · 10-01-2006, 21:33

i already told kui that im ready to put in a faily good amount of money, but i will do that once i go back to the US, however due to personal reasons im not sure i can contribute on a regular basis, but if it means keeping this site alive ill do it.

Debs · 11-01-2006, 08:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mehdi

With the amount of traffic this site gets I don't know why you need a dedicated server.

We were hacked about a year ago, on the other server we were located on at ServerBeach and we lost alot of stuff. Not only that, but it took Rez and Andrew alot of work to even get us back up and running. Hence the dedicated server--we're more protected.

As for a "statement" om contributions...my initial reaction is that should it be everyone's business to see who is contributing what amount? Call it a privacy issue. As I said that's my initial reaction, so Rez and I will discuss it and I welcome any other thoughts on the matter here. The purpose of asking for people to step up as contributors is not to set them apart, make it seem they're more special than others, or to make those who cannot contribute at all or more than once feel badly about their situations. Kui, Rez, reactions?

I think instead the statement should be when the bill for the server comes due and what amount is paid, if we meet the balance and if we don't how much is outstanding.

Obviously we need a system that's going to work and that's going to keep people happy, so let's discuss some of these aspects.

Reza · 11-01-2006, 12:33

Overall those who contribute shouldn't be set apart, anybody who is willing to help does so for the site, not anything else. Ofcourse we will be/are all clear on the costs and the only other issue is the number of contributors so those who do contribute know that their contribution is a 10th (ie how many are contributing) of the $155 or whatever.
There is transparency, the issue that SANT raises, but I am not sure if anything like a 'financial statement' thread should exist in a public forum.

Goirre · 11-01-2006, 13:12

I'll become a regular contributor. However, until June or July I might not be able to contribute much, but I'll start with say $10 per month. Hopefully after that, once I graduate and find a job I can contribute a little more. I'll make my contributions every end of month.

Long live MM!!

Mehdi · 11-01-2006, 15:29

Every forum gets hacked but as it is a concern approach hosts and question them on the security measures they have in place. Also contact webmasters of sites with forums and ask them if they are on dedicated servers and which hosting companies they are with.

IMO a dedicated server seems an unnecessary expensive.

MIRZA · 11-01-2006, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acmir^

i really want to help but i can't, i don't earn money, dont have a credit card
i don't know how to help

Same situation with me....
I can't afford extra 10$ per month...

K77SH C · 11-01-2006, 22:39

I cant afford it either, Im a student. Sorry for waiting so long to reply, was a bit embarassed.

totti_jonaid · 12-01-2006, 02:47

I would love to contribute a little bit because MM and Milan is my life though I am student aged 20 but I believe i can donate something from my pocket money. I live In Pakistan so can u tell me how do I contribute apart from the credit card cause I do not have that.

10-01-2006, 15:14	#16
SANT Moderator Join Date: 07 2005 Location: California, USA Fave Players: Capitan Maldini, Kaka', Nesta & Gli Invecibili	Don't worry my friend... as Debs said, some of us can, some of us can't... but we should do whatever is in our hands... I know some "veterans" in this forum are only 14-15 years old, if not less... it's difficult for them... but those who can, look at it as sacrificing a couple of burgers Debs, just in case anybody is wondering if there's a way to know how the money is being handled, we should find a way to make it transparent... for all to see... we can open a section where everyone can see like a "Statement" of the contributions, and hopefully see how much we exceed the maintenance costs... also, any way to make this autosufficient? without sacrificing the essence of the forum? selling, advertising, I don't know... __________________ Borriello: Forget Belen, forget your internal ghosts... go back to scoring!!!

10-01-2006, 20:01	#18
SANT Moderator Join Date: 07 2005 Location: California, USA Fave Players: Capitan Maldini, Kaka', Nesta & Gli Invecibili	Now that's a plan... Debs, Rezag, what would be the down side of that? if any... __________________ Borriello: Forget Belen, forget your internal ghosts... go back to scoring!!!

10-01-2006, 20:10	#19
Reza Administrator Join Date: 08 2002 Location: Canada Fave Players: Baresi	Forums with increasing membership will experience 'too many connections' errors (and therefore go offline frequently..) if the server is populated by (many) other sites. In fact those that were here in early 2003 saw that happening as we were briefly on a sub-$100 dollar plan The cost that we have here is due to being on our own dedicated server where we have total control over everything from the database to the security of the site. Like I have posted before $155 is not the only price out there, we might find something at $120 for example and the only difference as far as contributions go is that they would go even further (or allow us to do more if everybody agrees, like added features for example) If the site's future is secured I will again look actively at cheaper options, as I had few months ago __________________ aka rezag

10-01-2006, 20:16	#20
SANT Moderator Join Date: 07 2005 Location: California, USA Fave Players: Capitan Maldini, Kaka', Nesta & Gli Invecibili	Rezag, I sent you my contribution... c'mon guys, show some love to MM __________________ Borriello: Forget Belen, forget your internal ghosts... go back to scoring!!!

10-01-2006, 20:32	#21
Reza Administrator Join Date: 08 2002 Location: Canada Fave Players: Baresi	Thank you SANT. Its up to everybody to decide if they are willing and can afford it. Will do our best to keep costs low because its good for everybody not just newer contributors __________________ aka rezag

10-01-2006, 19:42	#17
Mehdi Registered User Join Date: 12 2004	I'm not sure what you're paying for hosting but if you need $100+ every month to keep the site going you're paying too much and I would suggesting switching to a different host - I use netpivotal. Sign up to google adsense and place the banners on as many pages as possible. That should bring in $100 every month.

10-01-2006, 21:07	#22
Mehdi Registered User Join Date: 12 2004	With the amount of traffic this site gets I don't know why you need a dedicated server.

10-01-2006, 21:33	#23
mk18 BANNED! Join Date: 09 2004 Location: amman, JORDAN Fave Players: maldini, sheva, baggio, weah, mvb, cruyff	i already told kui that im ready to put in a faily good amount of money, but i will do that once i go back to the US, however due to personal reasons im not sure i can contribute on a regular basis, but if it means keeping this site alive ill do it.

11-01-2006, 12:33	#25
Reza Administrator Join Date: 08 2002 Location: Canada Fave Players: Baresi	Overall those who contribute shouldn't be set apart, anybody who is willing to help does so for the site, not anything else. Ofcourse we will be/are all clear on the costs and the only other issue is the number of contributors so those who do contribute know that their contribution is a 10th (ie how many are contributing) of the $155 or whatever. There is transparency, the issue that SANT raises, but I am not sure if anything like a 'financial statement' thread should exist in a public forum. __________________ aka rezag

11-01-2006, 13:12	#26
Goirre Moderator Join Date: 09 2002 Location: Summerland, US Fave Players: Paolo Maldini-Franco Baresi-Billy Costacurta	I'll become a regular contributor. However, until June or July I might not be able to contribute much, but I'll start with say $10 per month. Hopefully after that, once I graduate and find a job I can contribute a little more. I'll make my contributions every end of month. Long live MM!! __________________ !!!FORZA MAGICO MILAN!!! !!!VIVA EL BOLIVAR CARAJO!!! Serie A Prediction League 2002/2003 Champion Serie A Prediction League 2003/2004 Champion

11-01-2006, 15:29	#27
Mehdi Registered User Join Date: 12 2004	Every forum gets hacked but as it is a concern approach hosts and question them on the security measures they have in place. Also contact webmasters of sites with forums and ask them if they are on dedicated servers and which hosting companies they are with. IMO a dedicated server seems an unnecessary expensive.

11-01-2006, 22:39	#29
K77SH C Registered User Join Date: 06 2004 Location: England Fave Players: Kaka, Gourcuff and Cissokho	I cant afford it either, Im a student. Sorry for waiting so long to reply, was a bit embarassed. __________________ Its SPEEDORF actually

12-01-2006, 02:47	#30
totti_jonaid Registered User Join Date: 04 2004 Location: Pakistan, Peshawar Fave Players: Maldini, Nesta, Cassano, Buffon.	I would love to contribute a little bit because MM and Milan is my life though I am student aged 20 but I believe i can donate something from my pocket money. I live In Pakistan so can u tell me how do I contribute apart from the credit card cause I do not have that.

SANT

Mehdi

SANT

Reza

SANT

Reza

Mehdi

mk18

Debs

Reza

Goirre

Mehdi

MIRZA

K77SH C

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