All posts re: the Italian Football Scandal (Moggipoli)

Scudetto 29, after reading your posts, I feel glad to say Welcome... you sound like a smart person... now, you're a zebra, but nobody is perfect...

and man, if you don't win the 29 this season, you will have to keep the nickname, and let us make fun of it...

hey scudetto 29, do u know sash22?

Originally Posted by rahul.acm

hey scudetto 29, do u know sash22?

Hehe, i do ofcourse. Someone said he's The-Fan now, but of course it's not him, becuase coincidently he's just another Ucrainian Jew who lives in Israel , ,
And if you think i'm the guy, i can assure you i'm not. My Ip is from Macedonia, it can be easily checked !

And call me Toni, Scudetto 29 is too long

Originally Posted by Scudetto 29

Hehe, i do ofcourse. Someone said he's The-Fan now, but of course it's not him, becuase coincidently he's just another Ucrainian Jew who lives in Israel , ,
And if you think i'm the guy, i can assure you i'm not. My Ip is from Macedonia, it can be easily checked !

i just asked u man! chill! i didn't blame that u were the 1! any way have fum here

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Definitely seems like something fishy has been going on.

Originally Posted by Scudetto 29

Pathetic in Europe? If you're talking about last 3 seasons then YES, Juve was really, really bad ( at least for a team with such big name) and Milan was without any doubts the better team . But you can never say Juve was pathetic, because 4 finals in last 10 years is something only a big club can achieve.

Yes, but lately, you are falling down. Your last achievemnts where only scudettos won in strange and non very clean situations. If you cant admitt that, then you are letting the fan inside of you speak as well as we do. And if Galliani and Berlu do dirty things, why do we never get an advantage from it? When we ever see Milan winning something in an improper way, we'll speak about it. I dont mean a single game, but a whole championship with ''mistakes'' in every game, like Juve ones. If you have any information, just show it, and we'll accept it. And dont speak about our failures, because we can fail, but Juve wont fail often, because of refs last minute mistakes.

Changing the subject, welcome, and i hope you can eat your nickname soon

Originally Posted by devoted_dm

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Definitely seems like something fishy has been going on.

Is it only me or there wasn't even a single proof in these conversations ????

Yes, Moggi was definitely doing something fishy, but there is absolutely no proof about it.
And all the refs he wanted : they were all ment for some friendly matches and Berlusconi Cup, so i doubt we can call this a crime and something that Juve may suffer from in the future.
And guys: i also dislike the bald bastard. Juve can win many many Scudetto's even without him around ! He just gives a bad name to the club.

Not just friendly matches. There is also talk about referees for two Champions League matches, one in Stockholm and one in Amsterdam. However, how it would be possible for Juve to influence UEFA like that, I don't know.

If someone can somehow shot down Juve right now I think it will be one of the most brilliant days in my life ( football life... ). BUT, Juve ( FIAT )ownes half of Italy, and it will not happen.

Originally Posted by Scudetto 29

Pathetic in Europe? If you're talking about last 3 seasons then YES, Juve was really, really bad ( at least for a team with such big name) and Milan was without any doubts the better team . But you can never say Juve was pathetic, because 4 finals in last 10 years is something only a big club can achieve.
Anyways : I know i didn't start very good here and my post was provocative, but i really get nervous when Juve's "dirty games" are someone's reason for their failure. Why would Berlusconi and now Galliani leave Juve to play dirty ( and yes, Juve sometimes plays dirty) ???? Ofcourse, because they are doing the same thing ! In my country, the position was stealing like hell, but when the oposition grabbed the power they never arrested any of the ministers etc, because they started doing the same thing and were affraid that a revange will follow .
I've been reading your posts here for exactly 7 months and i really find this forum very well organized, with great lads and interesting posts. I am a member of Juventuz.com, and i give you the credit for having a better site without the chaos that is there. I also dislike Sach, and Kui+Zlatanov are my favourites here.
But many times when i see the fan talking out of you, without being realistic, i just need to reply to some of you. I controled myself until now, but if you'll allow me, i will continue disagreeing with you on some matters in the future ( without using faul language and with all the respect to all of you, ofcourse)

Good Luck lads.

Respect to you for a good post, man.
Usually Juve or Inter fans come here just to talk sh*t about Milan, but you seem OK.

I'll concede that Milan does get some favorarable treatment from the refs, but nothing compared to Juve. But I have no actual evidence, other than my viewing, and I'm not going to start pointless shouting matches.

I've been reading posts at Juventuz.com for a while and I'll tell you why I don't like it: too many people. With too many people come too many threads, too many posts. With all these posts most people don't read everything before replying, so there's a lot of stuff that's said too many times. That's the reason I'm here at MM and not at acmilan-online.com forums.

Anyways, welcome to MM

Originally Posted by acmilan918

Respect to you for a good post, man.
Usually Juve or Inter fans come here just to talk sh*t about Milan, but you seem OK.

Yes but they dont last much, we havet heard a word of Interista or Bianconero88 again. I hope this guy Scudetto2* keeps coming, it would be really good to have face to face argument with more Zebra supporters.

Originally Posted by pa7uel

Yes but they dont last much, we havet heard a word of Interista or Bianconero88 again. I hope this guy Scudetto2* keeps coming, it would be really good a face to face argument with more Zebra supporters.

Hi again. I'm the same guy (Scudetto 29)
I was logged out and I couldn't log in with my previous username. If i'm not welcomed, it's OK. I will continue visiting MM only by reading it. If the problem is with me, then i would like to get another password so i could continue posting with my previous username, and if not i may continue with this one.
Pa7uel, i was regular here in last 7 months ( reding only, though) and i don't see a reason why i won't be regular.

I would like to get an answer ( by the mods, or administrator) if i can continue posting here . If i'm not welcomed, then i promise you that my next post will be the last one.

Cheers

Relax man, you r welcomed, that's what my post says, that it would be nice to have you to hear the other bell, so i hope you post regularly. Sorry your username didnt work, its kind of ironic. ( )

The questions i think are arround 2 seria A Games this season where juve "requested" refs... read maybe Messina and Milan(away)? what i dont understand is how it is a conflict of interests for Galliani to do things for Milan, but its ok for juve to buy Innocenzo Mazzini - the Italian Federation VP a Maserati... ?

Originally Posted by pa7uel

Yes, but lately, you are falling down. Your last achievemnts where only scudettos won in strange and non very clean situations. If you cant admitt that, then you are letting the fan inside of you speak as well as we do. And if Galliani and Berlu do dirty things, why do we never get an advantage from it? When we ever see Milan winning something in an improper way, we'll speak about it. I dont mean a single game, but a whole championship with ''mistakes'' in every game, like Juve ones. If you have any information, just show it, and we'll accept it. And dont speak about our failures, because we can fail, but Juve wont fail often, because of refs last minute mistakes.

Changing the subject, welcome, and i hope you can eat your nickname soon

I don't agree, of course
The first thing is : we are always watching our team and our opponents with coloured eyes. I admit, whenever i watch some Milan or Inter matches, i always see the refs wistling in favour of Milan and Inter, but it's only because i'm a Juve fan. I'm aware that i'm the one who's wrong in most of the cases, and i'm sure the same thing is happening with all of you.

I'm not saying that Juve is clean as a tear, but it's certanly not so bad as all of you are presenting it !
What's the problem then? Remember season 2003/04? Milan won it easily, and why was that? ONLY because Milan was classes better than Roma, Juve and Inter, not because of the refs and stuff.
But somehow, whenever Juve wins something, you never say it happened because Juve was better? Why lads? Juve beat you at San Siro in the most decisive match, isn't that enough for the title?
And this year : 17-1-1 record in the first half of the season. If Juve wins the Scudetto it will be because they deserved it, not because we bought our matches.

And where were those scandals you saw this year. I can think of 3 only :
1. Clear offside by Del Piero, who scored a goal and Juve won against Udinese.

2. Siena -Juventus 0:3. Juve could have won this match even if it was all clear, but noone can convince me that Moggi didn't arange this match.

3. Emerson handball against Milan. Handball -YES, but in most of the cases the refs don't wistle this kind of handballs


And now Milan. I know that all of you won't agree, and you've allready forgot what i will say, but i keep my records :
1. Livorno-Milan 0:3. At the result 0:1, Simic makes a handball in front of his goal and in front of the ref, byt the ref is not giving penalty. CLEAR HANDBALL,stoping the ball going directly into the net . Livorno players complaining like mad, but they get yellow cards and Simic is smiling.

2. Reggina-Milan 1:4
a) Reggina leading 1:0, Inzaghi stops the ball with his hand ( it couldn't have been more clear that he stoped the ball with his hand) and then he scores the equaliser.
b) result 1:2. Serginho makes another clear handball, similar as the one of Emerson ( only more obvious) but nothing happens
c) result 1:2.. Inzaghi falls without a contact , and guess what : PENALTY

3. Milan-Sampdoria 1:1 . It was too much even for Pippo. He felt and even he doersn't know how did the referee fall on that.

Of course, there were all those red cards for Juve this year and all those penalties against them. While i can't remember the last time some team got a penalty against Milan/
And the bans...commonnnn. Juve players get 2-3 matches ban ( Ibrahimovic last year :3 matches ban, and the 3rd match against Milan at San Siro, and Camoranesi banned for 2 matches 2 weeks ago), while Seedorf gets his ban reduced. Who makes the decissions about these bans? Really, i really don't know, but if Galliani is involved .!>>!?

Yes, Juve is not an innocent baby, but look in your backyard sometime before you attack mu team !!