Torres or Huntelaar ?????

Originally Posted by rosoneri_11

Look at the best scorers at the moment at Holland.

After 21 games.......


Afonso Alves, Heerenveen 19
Blaise N'Kufo, Twente Enschede 16
Danko Lazovic, Vitesse Arnhem 15
Danny Koevermans, AZ Alkmaar 15
Jefferson Farfan, PSV Eindhoven 13
Arouna Kone, PSV Eindhoven 10
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, Ajax Amsterdam 10
Shota Arveladze, AZ Alkmaar 10
Kennedy Bakircioglu, Twente Enschede 9
Erik Nevland, FC Groningen 9
Wesley Sneijder, Ajax Amsterdam 9

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Thats fantastic!That guy Alves has 19 goals!And Arveladze had 10 goals!
And also Sneider of Ajax has 9 goals!
I can't speak for the best scorers like Alves,or N'kufo,Lazovic,Koevemans because i don't know them!But i can speak for Arveladze who has 10 goals.Imagine him at campionato,i think he couldn't score even 3 goals after 21 games!
I can speak also for sneider who has 9 goals after 21 games!Imagine after 20 games our world class Midfielder Kaka has only 5 goals instead of Sneider who is not better than kaka has already 9!So what i can say for them who has 19,16,15,13,and 10 goals???That they all are world class players or great strikers????I don't think so!The holland league has not good defenders and those striker looks like Pele and maradona!!!!We had 4 players who had scored more than 14 goal after 21 games!Thats fantastic!No other league on europe has strikers with so many goals scored!
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I will say it again, Torres looks better to me than Huntellaar!

Good post, rosoneri_11,
But I just don´t agree w/ this statment. The Eredivisie is really not full of good defenders, but PSV have a GREAT defence. You can see the numbers, and PSV is dominating in Holalnd(thanks to defence , and the goalkeeper).
BTW, the player chosed as the MVP of the Eredivisie(half-season) was a PSV defender...my man, Alex

Originally Posted by Jim_UK

Torres has some capability as a 2nd striker as he plays the wide left position in a front three for the Spanish national team, or at least he used to. So the running from deep and drifting out wide scenarios aren't alien to him. Could he be turned into a true support striker? Well that's another question entirely, but he has shown in the past to have some of the right attributes to play in this position.

Although I to agree in parts, Jim...I really wants Milan to purchase a legitimate second striker. IMO, if Gila is our CF for the future, I really wants to see a real second striker to its side.
BTW, Gila, Pippo, Tony or this typical italian CF are not of my preference...I like more CF that can create his own shot in a regular bases...but our Managment had chosen Gilla as the CF of the future, and I can´t see it reaching all his potential without a real(and fast) second strike...but, who knows?!?!

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Good post, rosoneri_11,
But I just don´t agree w/ this statment. The Eredivisie is really not full of good defenders, but PSV have a GREAT defence. You can see the numbers, and PSV is dominating in Holalnd(thanks to defence , and the goalkeeper).
BTW, the player chosed as the MVP of the Eredivisie(half-season) was a PSV defender...my man, Alex

I'm speking generaly.Of course i know Alex and what player is he.He is a strong center back and a very good player!But at Eredivisie center defenders
like Alex or Stam are very very very few istead of Campionato,Spanish division,Bundesliga,Eglish premier,even at french league..........!

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[quote=rosoneri_11]But the holland championship has the worst defenders of the europe as many strikers scores many goals and many games finish up to 2-3 goals.QUOTE]

That's simply untrue common be reasonable! They just prefer an attractive/offensive way of playing, rather to lose 5-2 than to build a brick wall for their goal and lose 1-0. it has been like that for years, that's the reason why lots of strikers score a lot and why they produce such fine strikers, forwards, offensive players besides the dutch do have good defenders since their internationals are wanted and represented in almost every league in Europe...

[quote=Koeke]

Originally Posted by rosoneri_11

But the holland championship has the worst defenders of the europe as many strikers scores many goals and many games finish up to 2-3 goals.QUOTE]

That's simply untrue common be reasonable! They just prefer an attractive/offensive way of playing, rather to lose 5-2 than to build a brick wall for their goal and lose 1-0. it has been like that for years, that's the reason why lots of strikers score a lot and why they produce such fine strikers, forwards, offensive players besides the dutch do have good defenders since their internationals are wanted and represented in almost every league in Europe...

and you did not say even one word to deny rosoner_11's post. In fact, you only confirmed it.

i think Torrs will have the better carreer of the two but do spanish players work in Serie A so if not that would make Huntelaar the better option imo.

Originally Posted by rosoneri_11

I'm speking generaly.Of course i know Alex and what player is he.He is a strong center back and a very good player!But at Eredivisie center defenders
like Alex or Stam are very very very few istead of Campionato,Spanish division,Bundesliga,Eglish premier,even at french league..........!

Sorry for the misunderstood, my friend

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Sorry for the misunderstood, my friend

No problem!
Hey barsileiro i want to ask you, what is your opinion for Rafinha and Rafael Sobis???

Even if Sobis hadn't prove his class,i beleieve that he and Pato in the future will be the best Brazilian strikers.

Klaas-Jan Huntelaar for sure.Besides all Van Basten recomended this player to us in the summmer...if you remmeber...together with Wesley Sneijder

You mean the same Van Basten who refuses to play RVN and who didn't pick the same Klaas Jan Huntelaar for the WC??

Originally Posted by drucurl

You mean the same Van Basten who refuses to play RVN and who didn't pick the same Klaas Jan Huntelaar for the WC??

Yes me too!why did Van Batsen didn't picked Huntelaar at World Cup team???

[quote=Stitch]

Originally Posted by Koeke

and you did not say even one word to deny rosoner_11's post. In fact, you only confirmed it.

And how exactly did I confirmed it?
by saying that they prefer to lose big than to lose without trying to win? common, another example if a team is down 2 goals they will gamble it all by taking of (a) defending player(s) for (an) offensive player(s) what could turn the match arround or it can result with big loss, this has nothing to do with the quality of the defenders, but with balls.
Look at the dutch national team in past and present their defenders play(ed) in top competitions not becoz their home league is crap (they leave for money).

It's just the same if you'dd say that italian strikers are the worst strikers in Europe coz they don't score so often (compared with other 'major' competitions (allthough I not sure wether this is still the case, if not change Italian by Spanish, English,...))

In Italy defence is an art, in the Netherlands it's attacking that's considered an art... We had probably the best clubteam ever in the early 90 coz we combined those 2 styles almost magicly with the golden Dutch trio and the best defence

Originally Posted by rosoneri_11

Yes me too!why did Van Batsen didn't picked Huntelaar at World Cup team???

VB prefered Babel and Vennegoor of Hesselink over Huntelaar coz they offered more tactical options since he allready had RVN and he said Huntelaars time would come after the WC and he wanted to select players that fought for the qualification
(his words not mine...)

Well, being a Atleti fan, Torres is one of my favourite players... So I voted for him..

However, Huntelaar is also great player. He has better finishing than Torres, but Torres is more attractive and better dribbler, also, he has better creativity and paasing then Huntelaar has...