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Old 20-06-2007, 20:21   #16

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I'm all for Inter being stripped off their scudetto from 2006 ( i don't want them to lose the one from 2007...they deserved it) and some small -8 or -10 points deduction, but i'm totally against Inter being demoted !
I totally agree with you... Serie A needs stability, not another earthquake. One cannot understimate the extreme damage that scandals like that can bring to the international image of all italian football.
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Old 20-06-2007, 20:32   #17

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I think it would only be satisfying for 2 seconds to read of Inter's relegation. Then the implications would hit us like a train, and believe me, any which way you cut it, Inter's relegation would be a monumental loss to Italian football. As Tony29 points out, they may struggle to come back up, and Inter, Juve, and Milan are the three teams that keep TV rights (especially now that they will be collective), attendances, interest in Serie A etc. relatively buoyant.

The financial clout of the big 3 is too much for us to ignore.
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Old 20-06-2007, 22:13   #18

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so much for "clean titles" and angelic Inter are compared to Milan and Juve lol. What doesn't make sense is why Inter took the holier-than-thou attitude last year if they had knowledge of possible wrong-doing. For this reason alone, I think Inter are innocent of wrong doing, or their directors were unaware of wrong doing. And as much as I would like to see them relegated, I have a feeling this is just sensationalism on the part of the media.

And as much as I would love to see Inter in "b", it would hurt Serie A immensely.
a) the star power of the players in Inter would vani from serie A
b) the league will have only one superpower team - Milan, and two semi-powerful teams - Roma and Juve (who are still recovering). As it is, the Serie A is almost like the Scottish Premier League now with a few strong teams and the rest of the league being made up of duds.

Keep Inter in A but strip their last two titles
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Old 21-06-2007, 00:57   #19

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As I have said before about the Moggipoli affair, and I think the same can apply to the present situation as well:

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BTW, an obvious but frequently overlooked remark: our beloved AC Milan cannot survive without a strong italian soccer, so we cannot be happy with Juve's current state of affairs... furthermore, I like to win titles on the pitch, not on the tribunals, but fighting against the toughest.

Just remember, folks: without a strong and competitive italian soccer, a strong and competitive Milan cannot exist...
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BTW: I'm against the punishment of institutions... individuals must be punished, not institutions! So let's hang Moggi, Meani, etc., but let's put Juventus, Milan, etc. out of that mess!
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I want is a general indulgence for all, let's erase the past and move on...

So, my dear friends, that kind of stuff is not an affair to be considered lightly... so I sincerely hope that nothing will happen to Internazionale, let's forget, once and for all, all that crap about investigations and etc., the best thing to do is to conceal everything and move forward, SERIE A NEEDS PEACE AND STABILITY.
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Old 21-06-2007, 04:55   #20

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lol, inter demoted to serie B? Wont happen, even in dreams...

They may get cash penalty and maybe, just maybe some points deducted - but i think none of it will be. Its inter, they had serie a in 'their hands' this year! Ah well, miracle happens since juve was all over serieA too and got demoted

And about suazo - they may get fined and suazo may be banned from playing for some time. Great signing up our a$$ in that case
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Old 21-06-2007, 06:54   #21

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keep them in seria A, kick them out of champ league and give them a -30 start for up comming season plus huge fine.
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Old 21-06-2007, 08:12   #22

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As I have said before about the Moggipoli affair, and I think the same can apply to the present situation as well:








So, my dear friends, that kind of stuff is not an affair to be considered lightly... so I sincerely hope that nothing will happen to Internazionale, let's forget, once and for all, all that crap about investigations and etc., the best thing to do is to conceal everything and move forward, SERIE A NEEDS PEACE AND STABILITY.
So they rob the last 2 scudetto's from us by fingering us with Juve,and you want to let it slide. This Moratti is worse than his father, and should be made to suffer for robbing us of what is rightfully ours. Serie B for a season will do nicely for them.
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Old 21-06-2007, 10:01   #23

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So they rob the last 2 scudetto's from us by fingering us with Juve,and you want to let it slide. This Moratti is worse than his father, and should be made to suffer for robbing us of what is rightfully ours. Serie B for a season will do nicely for them.
How did they rob Milan ?
Excuse my ignorance, please, English isn't my main language and you should know the meaning of the verb better than i do....but doesn't "to rob" mean to steal something that isn't yours but someone elses property.

If that's truly the meaning of this verb, then how could Inter rob the last 2 scudetti from Milan when Milan never actually had them

You know , after what happened to Juve and only Juve (don't tell me the others suffered. Maybe Fiorentina did, but Milan didn't lose much while Lazio even profited from Calciopoli), after Juve and Juve fans were the laughing stock of Italy, after everyone called/call us cheaters, after all the bullcrap from Interisti, one can expect me to give my right hand for Inter to be demoted.
I admit that i would like a satisfaction for all the suffering we've been through but still i don't want anyone to go through what Juve has gone through. I'm an atheist and it has nothing to do with religion and forgiving the sinners. It's my culture that stops me from wishing the worst to the others, be it my worst enemies.
Now, if i as someone who actually did suffer from what Inter did to my team don't want them relegated, why do you guys want that ?
Does "Bilan" hurts so much that you can't get over it ? It's childish !
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Old 21-06-2007, 10:57   #24

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In all honesty Tony 29, it did occur to me that relegating the gits would be a wonderful thing, even if Italian football would again suffer...(Binter sounds so nice) but I agree with you that the implications for Serie A would be too severe...but rules are rules, and if the rules stipulate that their financial manipulation should result in relegation, or worse, being banned for a year...then so be it...

What good are rules if exceptions are made for them time and time again? Or even once...that my friend, creates a precedent, and in legal terms, that pretty much makes the rule quite different in its nature.

Now, I dont wish relegation on them, but as said before, if guilty, they must face the consequences...and again as mentioned above, being banned is worse than relegation, as ALL their players will leave...they will not be able to keep one single player on salary...all players want to play...they would have to loan every one out, at the bare minimum...a true disaster, and a weakend league.

What I maintain, is that there can be no exceptions, and the FIGC will have no choice but to take action, as they will be under the scrutiny of Europe, UEFA, FIFA, and the rest of the world...not to mention the Italian football community (fans, lower league clubs etc).

A personal note though: What did a season without Juve show us:
a) Small sides can make a serious run: Palermo and Empoli
b) Lazio and Fiorentina can challenge
c) A super strong side can gallop away with the title, with their main rivals hobbled by a point penalty, and earlier than usual season start.

This for me didnt make the Serie A uninteresting, and didnt precipitate a mass exodous of players from the Italian penninsula...so my point here is that all wont be lost if Inter do infact get relegated/banned...which we all know wont happen, but what good are blogs if not to speculate somewhat?
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Old 21-06-2007, 11:16   #25

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I hear you Warro and believe me YES and NO for Inter to be relegated are still fighting inside me.
Any wrong doing should be punished, no questions asked. But first of all you all must remember that the name of A. Galliani is mentioned in the same context with Inter's wrongdoing. Did you forget last year when all of you wished Juve to be relegated, even when some stories about Milan's involvment started circulating around.
What if Galliani and Milan also get a peace of the punishment, like last year ?
I really can't see Inter being relegated or punished anyhow with Milan getting out of the scandal with clean hands.
It's only 1 year after Kui came out with his Calciopoli theory. Kui was right and Milan was punished indeed at the end. I find it really really possible Milan to be punished again , together with Inter.
This is why i was telling you how i don't understand some of you. Juve is ( for now) clean in this story and Juve can only benefit from Inter in serie B and Milan at -10/-20/-30.... and yet i don't want that to happen, while You, whose team actually risks something, wish for Inter to be relegated.

As for didnt precipitate a mass exodous of players from the Italian penninsula... i don't agree.
Directly because of Calciopoli or indirectly : Sheva, Toni, Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Thuram, Emerson left serie A. Imagine Inter relegated ! They won't sell a single player to Milan while Juve and Roma won't be able to buy more than 1 of their players.
Where will Stankovic, Zlatan, Adriano, Crespo, Vieira, Cambiasso, Maicon etc go ?
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Old 21-06-2007, 11:24   #26

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i agree with both tony and warro. But the rules are rules. Inter should be punished, if they stay in seria A i would like to see them punished so hard that it would be impossible for them to get the scudetto and play in champ league.
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Old 21-06-2007, 11:53   #27

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I dont think Milan and Inter will be punished even if it was convicted, because it was already punished once, and doing this again will make it looks like a conisperasy and will destroy the Italian football as well (notice that if they were relegated you will never find any forigin player that want to join the Italian championship), I dont know what should they do to punish them but relegating and -pts start is a stupid punishment may be *** financial punishment will be quite fine
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Old 21-06-2007, 12:13   #28

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This is the best solution :

" Sell Zlatan+Vieira to Milan for 10m euro, sell Stankovic+Maicon to Juve for 10m euro and we won't relegate you.......... Oh and sell Materazzi to Albinoleffe for 5 000 euro"
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Old 21-06-2007, 12:17   #29

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Better yet: Sell Zlatan + Maicon to Milan for 10M euro, and Stankovic + Viera to Juve for 8M euro....and Materazzi to do community service in Algeria for a year, and we wont relegate you!!
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Old 21-06-2007, 12:21   #30

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This is the best solution :

" Sell Zlatan+Vieira to Milan for 10m euro, sell Stankovic+Maicon to Juve for 10m euro and we won't relegate you.......... Oh and sell Materazzi to Albinoleffe for 5 000 euro"
Sorry bud but your team is also being investigated, and to be honest, the courts probbably wont be as lenient due to the fact you are coming off of a penalized season. You should sell your 3 only good players, kaka gattusso and seedorf. And give the rest of your team to juve so they can get relegated, again!!
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