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Old 22-02-2008, 13:28   #16

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That's not true. He left us before the Calciopoli scandal. He left just after the end of the season 2005/06, he went to USA trying to heal his injury, he didn't want to miss his first and last chance to play in a World Cup. He didn't want to say anything about his final decision. Then he came back 2 weeks later and he said, that he leaves...
His departure has nothing in common with the scandal. When he was asked about it, he's been always said that we're inocent.
The Moggi's phone calls interceptions went out before the end of the Serie A league, and when Milan a few daysafter was involved, Shevchenko was still a Milan player.

In facts you have a point: he decided to leave before that ( maybe a few months before that) , but his decision nonetheless objectively affected our team, as we were left without out key striker in the middle of Calciopoli, without contractual power to sign an as good player as Sheva was. Then we were forced to sign a player and Betis president ripped us off, knowing we were desperate to replace Sheva.

I'm sure that the 95% of Milan fans don't want him back, at least i can give it as a certainty about Italian Milan fans. Tv shows are often inundated by massages of people who don't want him back, when these shows talk about Shevchenko. Just check on calciomercato.com boards if you need a confirm.

I'm sure his intentions weren't as bad as we've perceived them, but he completely missed his comunication with the fans, and this is a serious fault, given that modern football has communication as one of its pillars, and being Berlusconi's firms all involved with communication. He could ask someone how to do it smoothly.
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Old 22-02-2008, 13:40   #17

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We definitely DON'T need him nowadays.
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Old 22-02-2008, 14:09   #18

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Well, if he comes back, it would be like a dream come true for me, he was the best striker we had in the last decade, always reliable.
Your entire post is wonderfully put, exactly the way I feel.
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Old 22-02-2008, 14:53   #19

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The Moggi's phone calls interceptions went out before the end of the Serie A league, and when Milan a few daysafter was involved, Shevchenko was still a Milan player.

In facts you have a point: he decided to leave before that ( maybe a few months before that) , but his decision nonetheless objectively affected our team, as we were left without out key striker in the middle of Calciopoli, without contractual power to sign an as good player as Sheva was. Then we were forced to sign a player and Betis president ripped us off, knowing we were desperate to replace Sheva.
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Well, I'm not denying that when were accused, he still was our player. But you know, in the beginning of the scandal nobody seriously thought that we'll be punished, there were so little "evidences" against us, nobody knew what Guido Rossi had baked for us. And you know, he was sold after his press conference. Just when he said that he's leaveng, just after that the both clubs started to negotiate about the price. And you know, he chose Chelsea, the only club who could pay enough. It wasn't his fault that we missed to sign Ibrahimovic or Crespo... We had the money, it's Galliani's fault that we didn't spend them for one of these players...

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We definitely DON'T need him nowadays.
I wouldn't say that, considering Ronaldo's injury. Now the only player with such characterics at Ancelotti's disposal is Pato, who can't play 2 games in a week. You know, Pato couldn't play for us for 5 months, and then he had to play twice for two weeks and look what's happened... All other strikers we have are just opportunists - Pippo, Gila and Paloschi. They can't create an opportunity for themselves, they rely on our midfielders. And that's a problem, expecially looking how useless our fullbacks are... Pirlo and Kaka' aren't robots...
I think Sheva is not finished, just the English football don't suits him. As I remember, he continued to score for Ukraine despite his awful form in EPL...

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Old 22-02-2008, 19:05   #20

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- He was our hero.
- In our history, he will remain a great one... in our present, not anymore.
- He didn't betray us... but he betrayed himself.
- Surely he regrets his decision, even considering the wage he's earning... he's seen as a finished player now.
- Probably he'd like to return to Milan.
- Milan dressing room still appreciates him as a friend, but not as a fellow teammate (I think).
- He shouldn't return... at least for self respect.
- He wasted an opportunity to be a Milan legend for life... he didn't need the money from Roman, he didn't need London, he DIDN'T NEED to learn English there... but he was catched by a woman with bigger balls than his.
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Old 22-02-2008, 19:18   #21

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that's a nice one Sant ...
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Old 22-02-2008, 19:25   #22

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he deffinetly regrets every minute of his decesion...i mean why would you leave us after 7 years when we despretly needed his help and the leadership role..but after his departure we stilll won the CL and iam sure the players were angry and upset espicialy us the fans...thats why there will be no other like maldini...(i just hope it isnt the same case with kaka i doubt it though)
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Old 22-02-2008, 19:30   #23

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- He wasted an opportunity to be a Milan legend for life... he didn't need the money from Roman, he didn't need London, he DIDN'T NEED to learn English there... but he was catched by a woman with bigger balls than his.
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He was a great player, one of the best to play for us....but he never really was a leader of this team, he never represented KAKA of last year,and that must havee been due to lack of bigger balls,cuz he did have the technical ability.
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Old 22-02-2008, 19:55   #24

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Shevchenko used to be my favorite player even when he left Milan.I still supported him cuz he was 1 of the best strikers milan had in the last 7 years but when he scored a goal and kissed chealsea's shirt i started hatting him.Milan doesnt need him and we never missed him cuz Kaka made us 4get about him.We already have a striker who will be better than sheva.PATO will be the best striker in the world in 2-3 years.
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Old 22-02-2008, 21:12   #25

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Eh Sheva, Sheva...

I use to love Sheva, I dont love him anymore but I still like him for what he did in the 7 years that he played for us, for the joy he gave me personally. I watch sometimes Chelsea to see Sheva play but he never does at least not when I'm watching.
I think Sheva will kill his for what she did to him, she made him leave Milan, thats unbelivable.

We really dont need Sheva back, I like him and everythink but he is a finished player now and we have Pato, so no need for Sheva to return. But hey if he had never left, we would probably not have Pato today.
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Old 23-02-2008, 02:55   #26

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...thats why there will be no other like maldini...(i just hope it isnt the same case with kaka i doubt it though)
That's nonsense. It's not fair to compare anybody with Maldini. Maldini is an unique legend not just becouse he is GREAT, but also becouse he's Italian. It's not fair to compare Sheva with Maldini, cuz Sheva is foreigner. He's supposed to leave us one day. I know Kaka' will leave us one day as Rijkard did, as Gullit, as Weah, as Savicevic. They all left us and that's normal, they are all foreigners. But they still are more respected than Sheva. I know Van Basten quit the football with us, but he was forced to do it, cuz he was injured. He finished his career at 29. It's not Sheva's fault, that he didn't get injured seriously enough to finish his career with us...

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He was a great player, one of the best to play for us....but he never really was a leader of this team, he never represented KAKA of last year,and that must havee been due to lack of bigger balls,cuz he did have the technical ability.
Don't get offended, but I think you haven't watched Milan around 2000-2002, when Sheva was the face of Milan. Most of the neutral fans, asked to name a Milan player, they always pointed Sheva. Expecially in the season 2000-2001.

I know, guys, it's not likely Milan to get him back. But don't say that he would be useless if he comes back. I know, now we have Pato. But Pato is still too young, he's inexperienced, he need somebody to teach him, to reveal him the secrets to be a lethal support striker. Ancelotti can't do it, cuz he was a DM as a player. Now Ronaldo can't do it, cuz he have to heal his injury.
Remember what Kaka' said about Rui Costa when Benfica came to Milan. Kaka' said that he owe so much to Rui Costa, who helped to Kaka' to adjust so fast to the European football.

I know, Sheva made the mistake of his life. But you know, he's a man too. We the people are making so many mistakes in our lifes and we often regret them so much. Very often we'd like to have an opportunity to fix it up.
If he has an opportunity to fix up his mistake, then why not?...
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Old 23-02-2008, 04:06   #27

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Don't get offended, but I think you haven't watched Milan around 2000-2002, when Sheva was the face of Milan. Most of the neutral fans, asked to name a Milan player, they always pointed Sheva. Expecially in the season 2000-2001.
You didnt get my point, but anyway your argument works fine for me, as in 2000 -2002 we didnt win anything important................so achieving that neutral fans call your name when Ac milan is mentioned, is more of an individual merit,rather than a Leader of a team, that plays really really bad at that time.
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Old 23-02-2008, 09:00   #28

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Sheva no let s buy Benzema
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Old 23-02-2008, 17:56   #29

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I don't want Sheva as i did before buying Pato, he took his shirt, a solution might be to return as European only... to come from the bench giving more depth than staying to London and to poor Chelsea. Leaving Milan for going to Chelsea is like comiting suicide...
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Old 24-02-2008, 13:22   #30

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but he was catched by a woman with bigger balls than his.
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Like a lot of men !!

To be serious, he was our idol, he was the best striker we had, etc etc etc, but stop living in the past !!

Now he's gone, and I know Milan is a special club, able to help some guys having played at San Siro (Ba for example) ... but we really need to look for players helping to build the next Milan team for future (our next idol), and not taking back Sheva because the message to all our players could be taken like "ok, you can go in another club and if you don't do well there, we'll take you back to home" ???
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